Pakistan should have been focussing on their spinners instead of their pacers for the World Cup in India

[ahmadharis1]

ZG has absolutely not done well in England this year. An average of 48 in the division 2 bottom team is not much to write home about. I’m sure in the chances he gets in PSL he should put selection beyond the selectors. Pakistan need a good spinning all rounder not Shadab or Nawaz. (But I do appreciate Nawaz trying his best)

True, the numbers aren't pretty and could definitely have looked better. But in context he was bowling in unhelpful pitches and in my unpopular opinion, in a league on par with if not better than the current pakistan domestic structure (but that's a story for another day). To me at least he's earned a decent run in the Pakistan side

 

[Abid Z]

True, the numbers aren't pretty and could definitely have looked better. But in context he was bowling in unhelpful pitches and in my unpopular opinion, in a league on par with if not better than the current pakistan domestic structure (but that's a story for another day). To me at least he's earned a decent run in the Pakistan side

I think the real story is the inability of the pcb to develop talent. It’s almost as if bowlers like zafar are left on their own to play anywhere to earn a living but not enough is invested in making them world class spinners. We should really treat spin as the sacred cow it is.

 

[ahmadharis1]

I think the real story is the inability of the pcb to develop talent. It’s almost as if bowlers like zafar are left on their own to play anywhere to earn a living but not enough is invested in making them world class spinners. We should really treat spin as the sacred cow it is.

Agreed, any other team with a half decent mind would have given him a run by now. PCB is pure incompetence

 

[Mainul]

He got some chances but didn’t look very good. Even in the uk he seemed quite ordinary

Some chances?? Just 1 ODI man.

 

[Abid Z]

Some chances?? Just 1 ODI man.

Yes but it’s more than some others. And he does look awful.
In England he’s playing division two. He’s doing bad with both bat and ball and in terms of wicket takers is well behind jack leach. In order for him to be in contention for a Pak recall he needs to be setting the division 2 on fire but he isn’t. So what can selectors do.

I know this is a thread about spin but abbas is one of the top wicket takers in division 1 and even he is no longer an automatic pick. The bar is very high.

 

[Mainul]

Yes but it’s more than some others. And he does look awful.
In England he’s playing division two. He’s doing bad with both bat and ball and in terms of wicket takers is well behind jack leach. In order for him to be in contention for a Pak recall he needs to be setting the division 2 on fire but he isn’t. So what can selectors do.

I know this is a thread about spin but abbas is one of the top wicket takers in division 1 and even he is no longer an automatic pick. The bar is very high.

Abbas should be given another chance. He won't do worse than Rauf. Rauf has been belted around for fun by big teams.

 

[Abid Z]

Abbas should be given another chance. He won't do worse than Rauf. Rauf has been belted around for fun by big teams.

I think we are discussing an attack for all seasons. Rauf has a place in limited overs and abbas has a place in sena countries especially with the dukes ball. Then of course you need a good spinner. I think bilal Asif is doing ok too in the QA

 

[shamaan]

I think we are discussing an attack for all seasons. Rauf has a place in limited overs and abbas has a place in sena countries especially with the dukes ball. Then of course you need a good spinner. I think bilal Asif is doing ok too in the QA

Abrar should be the alone spinner in SENA.
Shaheen and Naseem can play in all conditions.Ihsanullah in SENA.

 

[FearlessRoar]

The main reason for Pakistan's failure in the World Cup is our spinners.Spinners have really let down Pakistan.

Even Iftikhar a part time spinner has bowled well throughout the wc compared to our regular spinners Shadab,Nawaz and Usama.

 

[FearlessRoar]

The main reason for Pakistan's failure in the World Cup is our spinners.Spinners have really let down Pakistan.

Even Iftikhar a part time spinner has bowled well throughout the wc compared to our regular spinners Shadab,Nawaz and Usama.

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[JAV12341]

We should have blooded in Arham Nawab and gave him exposure another lethal mystery spinner in Haris rotting in the domestic ranks. And abrar too sidelined. Just named 3 bowlers who are ODI material but won’t get a look in because of babars love for his bestie shadab

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

The mystery solution - mystery bowler, mystery spinner - is not worthy of a cricketing nation with pedigree.

It smacks of desperation, takes an easy way out, and actually highlights glaring weaknesses in what is a fundamental duty of any cricket administration - spinner development and selection.

Develop your spinners instead of playing lottery with some random Johnny who you hope will become another Saqlain or even Danish.

 

[MenInG]

Misbah on TV:

‘Spin bowling was the major issue, it was out of form and you had to figure out ways to sort it. Shadab and Nawaz’s performance weren’t convincing even in Asia Cup. When you were leaving for World Cup and things were in your control, you should have kept an extra spinner"

"Management was of this point of view that we are carrying one team for more than a year. The management included captain, coach, and team director"

 

[Saj]

Maybe if they focussed less on personal milestones, averages and rankings, the Pakistan team as a whole would be more competitive against the stronger teams.

 

[shortbread]

The challenges facing spinners in modern limited overs cricket is that there's no room for a loose ball every over. Anything remotely short or pitched up, even worse full toss is dispatched for a 4 if lucky, or most likely a 6.

With the advent of global T20 league cricket, top batsmen in all teams will be brutal against mediocre spin bowling, especially in the last 15 years. Previously batsmen outside Asia were perceived to be weak against spin, not anymore. Introducing spin was plan B for Asian teams with a weak pace attack, like India and Sri Lanka.

The likes of Ajmal, Yasin Shah to certain extent Afridi bowled against batsmen who wanted to see them off, not attack them, they played in an easier era. They used to get away with 1-2 loose balls an over.

Pin point accuracy is important for modern spinners in limited overs cricket. The ability to string together a good over with 6 sharp deliveries is a must to be recognised as a good spinner.

The game has moved on and the bar has been raised. No one ever imagined a time where the likes of New Zealand or Australia would have more competitive spinners.

 

[RamLakhan]

No... If you want to do well in India you should concentrate on all departments & all facets of the game! Not just concentrating on spinners or pacers... It is about how Seamers should bowl in different phases of the game and different conditions (day/night, subtle variations across different venues, etc). How Spinners complement Seamers and viceversa... How batsmen complement bowlers and vice versa... How batsmen change their game according to situation and conditions... How fielders become important (catching & saving runs).

India is not like other countries (say like England) where one set of players can take advantage of the conditions (NZ winning over India) as they have practised all their life in that way!

What you want to term Indian Pitches are? Are they slow-spinning tracks? Come on look at the stats even in this world cup they have outbowled the spinners? Even in tests at home Indian Seamers contribute a lot... What does it say about the pitches? In SENA usually bowlers from both sides do well (which means it is utilization of conditions) but in India it is utter dominance of both batting & bowling over the opposition, which indicates that you need versatile skills to fair well...

 

[Bhaijaan]

It’s ironic that Wngland have a firm grip on Pakistan’s neck with their two front line spinners and both of Pakistani heritage and yet Pakistan had no spin venom in them. Absolutely terrible team selections and strategy for Pakistan. What were you doing for four years

 

[FearlessRoar]

PCT need Pakistani coaches
When Pakistan have a spinners like mushtaq Ahmed saqlain mushtaq saree ajmal then why we struggle in spin department , PCB should appoint Pakistani coach rather any foreign coaches