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4 wickets for Dom Bess as India close on 257/6 on Day 3 of the 1st Test

This is pointing towards a final day of India batting on a (possibly?) wearing pitch to either save — or, more improbably, win — the match. They could be set 450 from 100 overs.
 
From Cricinfo,

Tanm: "Visiting teams have batted for 190 overs or more in India 12 times before this - only 2 of those marathon attempts have resulted in wins. 3 out of those 12 were courtesy England, and they all led to draws. So, the history is on India's side here."
 
James said:
This is pointing towards a final day of India batting on a (possibly?) wearing pitch to either save — or, more improbably, win — the match. They could be set 450 from 100 overs.
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Interesting days are ahead.
 
Washington is a Moeen type all-rounder. Hopefully, he averages 38-40 with bat and becomes a Shakib level all-rounder.
 
If England take the remaining wickets with 200+ runs, they shouldn't enforce the follow on. They should open with Stokes and Buttler who can add about 100 runs in 20 overs then declare.
 
Can someone please explain to me how Leech can gets into the side ahead of Moeen Ali?
 
hadi123 said:
If England take the remaining wickets with 200+ runs, they shouldn't enforce the follow on. They should open with Stokes and Buttler who can add about 100 runs in 20 overs then declare.
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England don't need to force anything, normally a consistently good level of performance in 5 days of a test lopks after the reult at the end
 
IMMY69 said:
Can someone please explain to me how Leech can gets into the side ahead of Moeen Ali?
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Leech performed well in Sri Lanka so is in position of the spot. Then again if he don't perform them moeen has a chance for selection in the upcoming tests.
 
The usual impatient BBC cynics and fusspots are already out in force in the comments box and on Twitter I see.

England in fact are in a phenomenally strong position in this match. They have nothing to worry about at all here. Thankfully Joe Root and Chris Silverwood, the people who matter, will know this perfectly well.
 
Follow on the key I guess.

If England can enforce it, they could win this match.
 
IMMY69 said:
Can someone please explain to me how Leech can gets into the side ahead of Moeen Ali?
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1. Moeen's confidence collapsed so Leach took his place
2. Leach has bowled Australia and SL out
3. he's a SLA not an offie and England want one of each.

He's decent. He got clobbered in one innings. You look at him going for sixes and think he must be terrible - why not praise Pant's hitting skill instead?
 
James said:
The usual impatient BBC cynics and fusspots are already out in force in the comments box and on Twitter I see.

England in fact are in a phenomenally strong position in this match. They have nothing to worry about at all here. Thankfully Joe Root and Chris Silverwood, the people who matter, will know this perfectly well.
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If they are worried with England in this position, I don't know when they will ever be happy.

India is under serious pump.
 
Saj said:
Follow on the key I guess.

If England can enforce it, they could win this match.
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Archer looks cream-crackered, doubt he can bowl through another innings straight away.

Root will give him a rest before calling on him again.
 
Robert said:
1. Moeen's confidence collapsed so Leach took his place
2. Leach has bowled Australia and SL out
3. he's a SLA not an offie and England want one of each.

He's decent. He got clobbered in one innings. You look at him going for sixes and think he must be terrible - why not praise Pant's hitting skill instead?
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Yes all very good points... I suppose I was just looking at Moeen's fabulous record against India
 
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England will do well not to underestimate India. Australia have done that mistake and paid dearly. Gill, Pant are two of the best players I’ve seen in 4th innings for India and somehow they always seem to click when under pressure. England first needs to wipe out the tail and make India bat again. Don’t try to set a target. These guys will chase.
 
Forward Defensive Push said:
England will do well not to underestimate India. Australia have done that mistake and paid dearly. Gill, Pant are two of the best players I’ve seen in 4th innings for India and somehow they always seem to click when under pressure. England first needs to wipe out the tail and make India bat again. Don’t try to set a target. These guys will chase.
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England will not enforce the follow-on, Stokes is limping (as usual) and Archer tired.
 
Saj said:
Follow on the key I guess.

If England can enforce it, they could win this match.
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Not with that Pant innings. England could land up a tricky 4th inning chase. Might as well bat tomorrow and give India about 100 overs
 
England will target to wrap the Indian innings in the first session and will possibly bat 30-50 overs to set target of 400+ and giving themselves around 4 sessions to bowl India out.

However, India is a top team especially at home so if the Eng will be execute it will be something remains to be seen.
 
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James said:
The usual impatient BBC cynics and fusspots are already out in force in the comments box and on Twitter I see.

England in fact are in a phenomenally strong position in this match. They have nothing to worry about at all here. Thankfully Joe Root and Chris Silverwood, the people who matter, will know this perfectly well.
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This has gone better for England than anyone expected, the momentum from the Sri Lanka series has carried over and they have a great chance to go 1-0 up.

Root and Silverwood have gone back to the drawing board - backing old fashioned virtues of patience and grind whereas the Bayliss era perhaps put too high a price on flamboyancy.

Taking 20 wickets still won't be easy though, but I'd rather be in their shoes for sure.
 
We are not losing this match.
Other two results are possible
I think we will get all out on 350, lets say 30 more overs to get our score to 350.
England obviously won't force follow on considering the fact that their fast bowlers especially Jofra will be tired.

So england will try to get that lead to 400 which means 175 runs, that will take 50 overs and then we will get to chase 400 in 110 overs.
Although i think England won't declare with a lead of 400 as that can be a risk.
 
Terrible batting performance so far. Threw wickets away to nothing deliveries.

But still think there isn't enough time left for English bowlers to rest and then pick 10 wickets after their batsmen set a "safe target".

Don't expect Rohit, Gill, Kohli and Rahane to fail twice in two innings in a Test match in India.
 
Another day went England’s way in Chennai as India were reduced to 257/6, a deficit of 321, by the time stumps were drawn on day three.

England added 23 runs to their overnight 555/8 before being bowled out in the morning, after which Dom Bess and Jofra Archer troubled the home batsmen. Bess, particularly, was a thorn in the Indian side, returning 4/55, including the key wickets of Virat Kohli, Ajinkya Rahane and Cheteshwar Pujara.

India will hope their overnight pair of Washington Sundar and R Ashwin, both local boys familiar with the MA Chidambaram Stadium surface, can continue to resist England well into the fourth day.

Jasprit Bumrah and Ashwin saw off Bess and Jimmy Anderson on the third morning, although there were a few frustrating runs added in the interim, before Rohit Sharma and Shubman Gill took the crease. For a brief while thereafter, it seemed it would be more one-way traffic with the batsmen dominating – the duo both found the fence with classy strokes – but Archer was in prime form, especially in the morning.

He managed a hint of away seam movement, and that did it for Rohit, who was caught behind for six. Gill looked good for as long as he was in the middle, particularly with his exquisite back foot punches, but after giving the impression he was settled, he was dismissed tamely, spooning an on-drive to Jimmy Anderson at mid-on.

Kohli joined Pujara to see them through to lunch, but on resumption, Bess joined the party. Kohli played well away to one from Bess, and his inside-edge was gobbled up by short leg. When Rahane followed suit shortly thereafter, becoming Bess’s second wicket, India were in dire straits at 73/4.

It was then the value of a batsman like Rishabh Pant was driven home. India were in danger of being bogged down against the England spinners at the time, but Pant took the attack to them, with Pujara playing yang to Pant’s yin at the other end.

Pant decided to come out to Jack Leach’s deliveries, and repeatedly tonked him over six. Pujara used his feet as well, but stuck to his strengthgs, driving and flicking away to find the fence. The duo quickly drained the momentum England had gained from those early wickets, and with both batsmen scoring at a good rate, India were once again comfortable.

Both brought up their half-centuries in the same over off Leach in the second session, and carried on in similar vein after tea. They brought up their 100-run partnership, and looked good for another 100. However, the break came for England rather fortunately. Pujara pulled Bess powerfully, but saw the ball rebound off the shoulder of the fielder at short leg, and pop straight to Rory Burns at short mid-wicket.

Pujara was furious for the manner of the dismissal, but England had the all-important opening. But so long as Pant was playing as he was, their total – as lofty as it was – still seemed insufficient. However, Pant holed out just nine short of a century, having struck at over a run-a-ball, and India were in trouble at 225/6.

Sundar and Ashwin then came together to attempt to fight back. They adopted a more assiduous approach than Pujara and Pant, putting on an unbroken 32* in 104 deliveries before stumps were drawn.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
We are not losing this match.
Other two results are possible
I think we will get all out on 350, lets say 30 more overs to get our score to 350.
England obviously won't force follow on considering the fact that their fast bowlers especially Jofra will be tired.

So england will try to get that lead to 400 which means 175 runs, that will take 50 overs and then we will get to chase 400 in 110 overs.
Although i think England won't declare with a lead of 400 as that can be a risk.
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We need to make sure Eng cant bat fast in 3rd innings

The match is gone otherwise
 
For England, they've got 2 days to take these 4 wickets, bowl India out again and win by an innings/chase whatever India can set (if they enforce the follow-on. I just don't see enough time for all of that to happen. Rohit, Gill and Kohli will stick it out a lot longer in the 2nd innings to save the game I feel.
 
Would love to see England win by an innings. It has been too long since someone thrashed India in a test match in India. 4 years to be exact. Somehow though I am not convinced that they will. India might be able to sneak a lead of 100 if they follow on.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Would love to see England win by an innings. It has been too long since someone thrashed India in a test match in India. 4 years to be exact. Somehow though I am not convinced that they will. India might be able to sneak a lead of 100 if they follow on.
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More chances of a 7 wicket SA win tomorrow, than an innings win for England in India.
 
It would take something remarkable for England to win from here. If India somehow manage to bat on for a couple of sessions tomorrow, it's actually England that are more likely to lose on the last day.
 
Eng is in a dominant position. The only issue they have created for themselves is batting more than 2 days here due to fear of losing. That may prove the difference here. Anyway, the match is interesting right now.
 
England will not get better chance to win in india if they don't win this test
 
Don't think Eng will enforce a follow on. They will bat again atleast for a session with 350 to 400 runs overall target. Will be a miracle if India draw this test unless there's an epic innings fron Pujara or Kohli
 
Good comeback from India. From 73-4 to 257-6, good effort.

Sundar, Ashwin, Shahbaz and Ishant can probably hang on till lunch to make sure England bat about 45-50 overs before declaring.
 
Ab Fan said:
Good comeback from India. From 73-4 to 257-6, good effort.

Sundar, Ashwin, Shahbaz and Ishant can probably hang on till lunch to make sure England bat about 45-50 overs before declaring.
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Eng will have a very good chance to win here because India may decide to chase if the target is not totally out of reach. They have shown the willingness to chase unless it is an impossible target. That will give a few extra wickets and the pitch will deteriorate more on the 5th day.

The only issue may be the time left and reputation of Indians going for chase may create doubt in Eng's mind and they may not give themselves enough time.

Only one team has a realistic chance to win from here, but Eng needs to realize that and try to get a win here.
 
This is a draw. England took too much time to score their runs. If india can hang on till lunch tomorrow, this will be a draw for sure.
 
England are thinking about the whole series. Getting the better end of a draw in the first test is a decent outcome. If they can hang on in the second test too, then mug India under the lights they will be in great shape going into the last test.

Think Pakistan in England 1987, playing the 25-day game.
 
Robert said:
England are thinking about the whole series. Getting the better end of a draw in the first test is a decent outcome. If they can hang on in the second test too, then mug India under the lights they will be in great shape going into the last test.

Think Pakistan in England 1987, playing the 25-day game.
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Eng did not have to bat so long to make it very hard to win. Eng was in a dominant position after 4 sessions and teams should try to play for a win when they are in a dominant position.

I will rather play for a win when the team is in a dominant position. Also, if Ind wins other tosses, then it will be harder for Eng to win.
 
Mesozoic said:
Terrible batting performance so far. Threw wickets away to nothing deliveries.

But still think there isn't enough time left for English bowlers to rest and then pick 10 wickets after their batsmen set a "safe target".

Don't expect Rohit, Gill, Kohli and Rahane to fail twice in two innings in a Test match in India.
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Rohit and Rahane can..
 
India would gladly accept following on than bowling one more time.. When England bats again they should try to bat till match ended and bowl Indian bowlers to death ;) :ashwin
 
No good scoring 580 runs if you will end up taking 180 overs ie two days, you should aim to score those runs in 120 overs therefore giving the bowlers enough time to get the opposition out
 
It's a 4 match series, for a touring team to India you have to be vary of the second innings come backs India have made previously, all in all England have played their cards right.
 
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