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A selfish innings from Hashim Amla in the 1st ODI?

Poor knock in the end. But what really cost SA the game is inability against spin, both Rassie and Reeza couldn't rotate strike against them. There were a few longhops outsidep off that they couldn't even hit for a single, never mind guiding them to the vacant third man for 4.

Faf is also a culprit of this, he doesn't even rotate against seamers. Plays himself in and invites pressure. I worry when he's not batting with AB/QdK. What SA needs is a M. Clarke type player. Was very good during the middle overs, capable of maintaining a S/R close to a runner ball without any risks and running hard between the wickets. Very underrated ODI player.

I still believe SA would have collapsed without Amla. Good thing is the next match is in similar conditions in Durban. Let's see how the rest will handle spin.
 
South Africa ability to get bogged down by spinners is a big issue. Even in the MLS. The rate was good against quick bowlers, but as soon as spinners came the rate would go down from 7/8 against quick to 3.5 against spinners. That's why there were few run chases in the tournament. What should worry CSA is that none of the new guns looked comfortable against spinners, even leading run scorers such as Reeza and Rassie were woeful. I'm perplexed by the inability to rotate strike tbh. QdK was the only one who maintained a similar S/R against pace and spin.
Dr_Bassim said:
It was a botched attempt and I wouldn't single out Amla anyways.

The 2 batsmen who were playing reached 190-1 after 40 overs and had an excellent view of the conditions. They also knew they were playing a spinner short with Tahir the only spin option in the side.

The surface was suited to Pakistan in general, but they refused to accelerate or show intent even from 190-1 and even Shaun Pollock was frustrated and said "Do they really think they can lose 9 wickets in last 10 overs.

South Africa were clearly short of 40 runs today and I would blame both Amla and Van Dussen for complete lack of intent to score heck in the 43rd over for that matter.

They could have been forgiven if there were few wickets remaining but when you shouldn't be ending the innings on 266 for 2 , rather your innings should always end at 300-9 or 350-8 or something like that.
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Amla becomes fastest to 27 ODI tons, 2 innings faster than Kohli.

Hail Amla!
 
It showed that the role of an anchor in ODIs is just an excuse for a batsman to bat selfishly.

The guy batting with Amla was on debut so he had an excuse, but what on earth was Amla doing.
 
soso_killer said:
South Africa ability to get bogged down by spinners is a big issue. Even in the MLS. The rate was good against quick bowlers, but as soon as spinners came the rate would go down from 7/8 against quick to 3.5 against spinners. That's why there were few run chases in the tournament. What should worry CSA is that none of the new guns looked comfortable against spinners, even leading run scorers such as Reeza and Rassie were woeful. I'm perplexed by the inability to rotate strike tbh. QdK was the only one who maintained a similar S/R against pace and spin.
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I remember Klaasen hammering Chahal and Kuldeep. You do have batters who an hit, but Amla ensured none of them got a chance to bat.
 
Why People Saying Amla has been is selfish Batsman in Whole Career

Saj said:
It showed that the role of an anchor in ODIs is just an excuse for a batsman to bat selfishly.

The guy batting with Amla was on debut so he had an excuse, but what on earth was Amla doing.
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guys
 
Why People Most People Saying Amla has been Selfish Batsman thru out career...He debuted at ODI very late at age of 25 in 2008
still He is fastest Batsman to reach 2k, 3K, 4k,5K, 6k, 7K Runs in ODI with Career Strike Rate of 90 & Fastest to to 27 Tons too
For Opener in ODI, 90 SR is Superb, How many Openers has 90+ Career SR in ODI...I think only 5\6

Dhoni who usually bats at no 6 has Career SR of 87.5 less than Opener Amala who is dubbed as selfish batsman by fellow indians
I know...We cant ompare Dhoni(no 6 batter) with Amala(Opener) in terms of Volume of Runs scored...but what about SR, he is lagging behind selfish Amala....Dhoni should have 100+ SR, may be 105 or 110 but he is has been Selfish for Notouts and Avergae...evryone knows

20 times Amala scored tons in 1st inning and SA won all, but only this time Amala scored ton in 1st inning but SA lost...actually Amala was out of form thruout 2018 and he needed to gain form for WC....not only Amala others too failed to accelerate including Miller...so stop blaming Amala he had one bad day bcoz of poor patch earlier and
He scored 100 with Six too
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hashim Amla's innings was one of the strangest you will ever see in a ODI:<br><br>First 50 runs (52 balls)<br>Second 50 runs (61 balls)<br><br>0-20 runs (21 balls)<br>21-40 runs (21 balls)<br>41-60 runs (24 balls)<br>61-80 runs (28 balls)<br>81-100 runs (19 balls)<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SAvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SAvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1086955570140233728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Amla used his innings to work himself back to form but at this level it looks and is selfish. He has been a brilliant player, one of the best of this decade but it's time to retire without a sullied legacy.
 
Is an important batsman getting his confidence back more important than team winning a match? That's the question.
 
Cape Town - Proteas opener Hashim Amla has defended his side's inability to accelerate with the bat in the first ODI against Pakistan in Port Elizabeth on Saturday.

Batting first having won the toss, the Proteas could only muster 266/2 from their allotted 50 overs and fell to a five-wicket loss.

Amla batted throughout the innings to finish 108* (120) while Rassie van der Dussen made 93 (101) and Reeza Hendricks 45 (67).

With David Miller only getting 12 balls out in the middle and the likes of skipper Faf du Plessis, Heinrich Klaasen, Andile Phehlukwayo and Dwaine Pretorius unused, South Africa's struggles to put the foot on the gas through their innings raised eyebrows just a few months out from the 2019 World Cup in England.

But Amla, who carded his 27th ODI century, explained after the match that run-scoring was not easy.

"It was a tough wicket to bat on," he said.

"I know we only lost two wickets, but it was tough to get the ball away. Their spinners bowled pretty decently as well.

"We tried to score and unfortunately we just couldn't get the acceleration we needed."

Amla was impressed by both Van der Dussen and Hendricks.

"Rassie batted exceptionally well. Somebody coming in on debut is always going to have those added nerves. It takes about 20 or 30 balls for you to get the pace of the wicket and find some sort of rhythm. He managed to get through that and then looked really good," he said.

"Reeza has had a few games under his belt and he's batted really well. He's calm and composed and we know he is a wonderful player. Guys like him and Rassie will only get better because the more you play the more you understand your own game.

"After 10 overs I think both teams were level with about 40-odd, so it wasn't that free-flowing wicket up front.

"We always know that coming to PE the wicket is a bit slower and it is not a high-scoring game. 260 is usually a defendable total, but credit Pakistan ... they played well."

The 2nd ODI takes place on Tuesday at Kingsmead in Durban.


https://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/Proteas/amla-defends-stuttering-proteas-in-pe-20190120
 
These are their own wickets where they play all the time. Why can't they get going when prof can?
 
BreadPakoda said:
Is an important batsman getting his confidence back more important than team winning a match? That's the question.
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Winning comes ahead of any individual glory, every day of the week.
 
Saj said:
It showed that the role of an anchor in ODIs is just an excuse for a batsman to bat selfishly.

The guy batting with Amla was on debut so he had an excuse, but what on earth was Amla doing.
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This is not the first time he has done this. Rohit sharma might have lesser career strike rate than Amla. But he has th extra gear that not even Kohli is blessed with. Impact players have more gears and they seamless move between gears. Amla can score at one pace. There are several like him. But atleast some of them try to go after bowling at the right time and don't mind getting out. Amla hardly lifted his bat until he was forced to. In this day and age who would remain 105 not out after 50 overs.
 
CricketAnalytic said:
Why People Most People Saying Amla has been Selfish Batsman thru out career...He debuted at ODI very late at age of 25 in 2008
still He is fastest Batsman to reach 2k, 3K, 4k,5K, 6k, 7K Runs in ODI with Career Strike Rate of 90 & Fastest to to 27 Tons too
For Opener in ODI, 90 SR is Superb, How many Openers has 90+ Career SR in ODI...I think only 5\6

Dhoni who usually bats at no 6 has Career SR of 87.5 less than Opener Amala who is dubbed as selfish batsman by fellow indians
I know...We cant ompare Dhoni(no 6 batter) with Amala(Opener) in terms of Volume of Runs scored...but what about SR, he is lagging behind selfish Amala....Dhoni should have 100+ SR, may be 105 or 110 but he is has been Selfish for Notouts and Avergae...evryone knows

20 times Amala scored tons in 1st inning and SA won all, but only this time Amala scored ton in 1st inning but SA lost...actually Amala was out of form thruout 2018 and he needed to gain form for WC....not only Amala others too failed to accelerate including Miller...so stop blaming Amala he had one bad day bcoz of poor patch earlier and
He scored 100 with Six too
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Most people don't have that record because they play for the team. If they would have played for themselves, many others could have replicated the same. You get out while trying to score quick.... A concept that amla will never understand.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This is not the first time he has done this. Rohit sharma might have lesser career strike rate than Amla. But he has th extra gear that not even Kohli is blessed with. Impact players have more gears and they seamless move between gears. Amla can score at one pace. There are several like him. But atleast some of them try to go after bowling at the right time and don't mind getting out. Amla hardly lifted his bat until he was forced to. In this day and age who would remain 105 not out after 50 overs.
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I don't mind rohit eating balls early in innings for the above reason. After he crosses 50 and gets in the zone, it will take hardly 25-30 balls to reach 100. If he crosses 100, doom awaits for the opposition.... Only if he could replicate that more often....
 
Itachi said:
. Only if he could replicate that more often....
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well he can't do that every single match, he's human after all.

but rohit is a future atg and i think you're asking for a little too much from him
 
I don't have stats but the OP just said Amla has 20 tons batting first and SA lost just one. It's clear Amla scoring hundreds benefits SA more often than not. Amla understands he has his limitations, why model his game differently?
Itachi said:
Most people don't have that record because they play for the team. If they would have played for themselves, many others could have replicated the same. You get out while trying to score quick.... A concept that amla will never understand.
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It was strangely slow innings. When I was watching the game, I thought that him getting out might be better for SA in the long run. Poor innings but again he is a great player.
 
soso_killer said:
I don't have stats but the OP just said Amla has 20 tons batting first and SA lost just one. It's clear Amla scoring hundreds benefits SA more often than not. Amla understands he has his limitations, why model his game differently?
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This was indeed the first time he hit a ton batting first, which resulted in a loss.
 
soso_killer said:
I don't have stats but the OP just said Amla has 20 tons batting first and SA lost just one. It's clear Amla scoring hundreds benefits SA more often than not. Amla understands he has his limitations, why model his game differently?
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ABDV was there to fulfill the deficit and to bring the score to a competitive level.

He retired, RSA failed to increase the RR.
 
Selfish is stretching it , lets not forget hes out of form as well . That said Amla was always a limited player in LOIs , the difference is without AB who in the past would take a start like this one it 350+ totals
 
Itachi said:
ABDV was there to fulfill the deficit and to bring the score to a competitive level.

He retired, RSA failed to increase the RR.
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jusarrived said:
Selfish is stretching it , lets not forget hes out of form as well . That said Amla was always a limited player in LOIs , the difference is without AB who in the past would take a start like this one it 350+ totals
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Except in this particular scenario he may not have even come to the wicket? Its arguable if they would have sent him ahead of Miller in this game who is a specialist hitter. Amla played slightyl slower than you would expect in last 10 overs but then again so did other batsmen including miller which was strange.

I think wicket got a bit better under lights for scoring.
 
Actually the more I think I feel this was an inning which even Amla would feel he would have done better.

His first 50 came of 52 balls, next 50 of 61 balls, wickets were hardly falling from other end. I mean even Amla generally won't play his second 50 this slow. Obviously he doesn't change gears enough but he should have got atleast 70 of his next 60 balls(that's definitely he is capable of, so a 120 of 110 perhaps would have been a better reading and the game would have been more tighter in that scenario. For me, he is 20 runs short of what he should have scored.
 
Ab Fan said:
Actually the more I think I feel this was an inning which even Amla would feel he would have done better.

His first 50 came of 52 balls, next 50 of 61 balls, wickets were hardly falling from other end. I mean even Amla generally won't play his second 50 this slow. Obviously he doesn't change gears enough but he should have got atleast 70 of his next 60 balls(that's definitely he is capable of, so a 120 of 110 perhaps would have been a better reading and the game would have been more tighter in that scenario. For me, he is 20 runs short of what he should have scored.
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It was slower than what he would have liked but the wicket was definitely harder to bat on during the day than it was under lights later which made his innings looked even slower.
 
Based on what Hasan Ali said today, the Pakistan team thought it was a selfish knock.
 
Past his best. But you knew they wouldn't leave him out due to experience.

Wouldn't be surprised if he scored big against 1 of the weaker teams.
 
Same as Dhoni, the experience card comes to play. At least in Dhoni's case, he's the best keeper available.
 
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