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A sincere question to Indians, what did your government achieve from "Operation Sindoor"?

Champ_Pal said:
So hang on, this Harmeet Kaur wants a full scaled war? What does she mean by buckling under pressure? It was never a full scale war. It was a limited operation.

Shameful people and pathetic war mongers.
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I don’t understand you guys.

Can you go toe to toe with Pakistan in a full scaled war or not???
 
Red-Indian said:
I agree broadly. It was probably worth a try (the so-called surgical strikes) to punish Pakistan for it's support for these elements the first time but to keep trying the same thing that obviously hasn't been working raising the stakes each time seems like a stupid strategy...as the poster after you commented - more for domestic consumption i.e. to be seen doing something rather than actually doing something.

While the timing of the attack vis-a-vis statements by Munir as well as his need for popularity was definitely suspicious, I think the general feeling among Indian political and security analysts (at least the ones I listen to) is that the Pakistani States doesn't have too much direct control over the activities of these rogue actors. They use Pakistani territory for training camps etc. but so does the TTP and other such organisations. Even the technology used has become low tech - guns not fancy explosives so they don't need Pakistani establishment support like they used to.

We need to find a different approach to deal with this. Every response to an attack since 2016 has been an escalation. I shudder to think what the next level of escalation will be and what response Pakistan will be forced into. I would hate to be drawn into a long drawn battle like the one Russia and Ukraine are fighting.
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Rightly said.

If US with all its weapons could not eliminate the Terrorist camps or the ideology, India has no hope. So military action is a no go right from the beginning. We have seen the balakhot bombing did not work. So again applying the same strategy was useless.

Instead India should tighten its defense and border. Work on improving its economy and become an economic giant. With money comes power. Pakistan does not need to be destroyed. They do a wonderful job of it themselves. No external force is needed. The new strategy should be putting Pakistan under pressure economically. We cannot stop all Terrorist attacks. No power can stop it. We can only do a better job of defense and work towards economic progress.
 
Rana said:
I don’t understand you guys.

Can you go toe to toe with Pakistan in a full scaled war or not???
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Yes. India can fight a 6 month war and still be okay. Pakistan cannot. They do not have the money to go for that.

Lets stop who is better or who can sustain a prolonged war. Thousands will die. These war hailers are pathetic.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Yes. India can fight a 6 month war and still be okay. Pakistan cannot. They do not have the money to go for that.
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So this was your big chance to prove the claim wasn’t it? Why did you guys back down? Do not try and lie by saying it was Pakistan who asked for de-escalation. You sound like a reasonable Indian. You will know that the calls for de-escalation came from India. So tell me, why de-escalate when you know this was the time to end it all once and for all?
 
Rana said:
So this was your big chance to prove the claim wasn’t it? Why did you guys back down? Do not try and lie by saying it was Pakistan who asked for de-escalation. You sound like a reasonable Indian. You will know that the calls for de-escalation came from India. So tell me, why de-escalate when you know this was the time to end it all once and for all?
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India will also suffer economically and will derail their plans of becoming an Asian giant by a decade or more. Which is exactly what China wants. They will be the real winners if India and Pakistan fight a lengthy war. They just have to supply weapons to Pakistan and watch the movie munching popcorn. No Chinese would die. Only Indian and Pak soldiers.
India knows this very well. Hence only limited operations. Its a big chess game. What we saw in the last 2 weeks is just a small move. Any big moves, China will be cheering it.
 
All India had to do was to show evidence.

Re-read it, evidence to the rest of the world.
 
HalBass9 said:
All India had to do was to show evidence.

Re-read it, evidence to the rest of the world.
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Its all about their intel info and what they see.

Even if India gives evidence to Pak, Pak will simply deny it or call it poor intel. Going through diplomatic route never works between India and Pakistan when it comes to these cross border allegations.
 
When the country is busy destroying bakeries with the help of police over a name owned by probably a Hindu family then do y’all really believe Indian can become an Asian giant?

India is decades behind the only regional and world power.

Indians have to be the dumbest people despite having a luxury to have free and fair elections.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Its all about their intel info and what they see.

Even if India gives evidence to Pak, Pak will simply deny it or call it poor intel. Going through diplomatic route never works between India and Pakistan when it comes to these cross border allegations.
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Give it to world. Forget about Pak or better yet to Indians.
 
HalBass9 said:
Give it to world. Forget about Pak or better yet to Indians.
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India has given the evidence to US many times before in the past. They don't care. US plays double game. They have to maintain strategic relations with Pakistan for their own benefit. So even though they are pro-India for now, they cannot completely ignore Pakistan. Its every country looking after its own interests.
You see, Trump and Modi are good friends. But US has not supported India in this operation. They have stayed out of it.

Intel reports are not shared with Indians. We have seen many videos since childhood on news channels where Terrorists were seen crossing the border. I am sure they are still available on Youtube. What has that yielded? Zilch!!
 
India air force statement basically said the operation wasn't to target Pakistan army, just terrorist hideouts, LOL so you expect to violate another countries airspace and they will just let you in without firing back, clueless.
 
speed said:
India air force statement basically said the operation wasn't to target Pakistan army, just terrorist hideouts, LOL so you expect to violate another countries airspace and they will just let you in without firing back, clueless.
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It was always a low scale operation to hit terrorist camps.

Pakistan retaliated.
 
Delusion to state that attacking another country sneakily in the middle of the night is low scale.

If Pakistan lobbed a few missiles onto Delhi would that be considered low scale?
 
Why did India agree to a ceasefire? Because we achieved all the objectives of Op Sindoor. We hit terrorist bases. We went up the escalation ladder and were ready to continue on it until Pakistan backed down. The objective wasn’t more than this. Once Pakistan begged for ceasefire we agreed because we weren’t interested in a long drawn conflict. We have other priorities. We are on the cusp of becoming a manufacturing base. Massive investments are on the anvil. We need to focus on building our economy and improving lives of our people. We are not a beggar country like Pakistan who celebrate an IMF tranche.

:kp
 
They asked for ceasefire because they lost supremicity of the skies and Pakistan was doing wave after wave of attacks all across the western front and that too without all that it posses in its conventional arsenal.

Rest of your post I put it down to cope. If it makes it easier for you to get over the humiliation then all good.
 
Devadwal said:
Why did India agree to a ceasefire? Because we achieved all the objectives of Op Sindoor. We hit terrorist bases. We went up the escalation ladder and were ready to continue on it until Pakistan backed down. The objective wasn’t more than this. Once Pakistan begged for ceasefire we agreed because we weren’t interested in a long drawn conflict. We have other priorities. We are on the cusp of becoming a manufacturing base. Massive investments are on the anvil. We need to focus on building our economy and improving lives of our people. We are not a beggar country like Pakistan who celebrate an IMF tranche.

:kp
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Yes very true, we achieved our objectives by destroying terrorists hide outs, Indian army not interested in killing innocent Pakistanis. What’s the point in killing them when they over burden with IMF loans
 
The more crooks want to justify their actions, the sillier they sound - silly is a very kind word for these low IQ imbeciles.
 
Yes, very very successful operation sindoor… this is the 1st Indian government who acted responsibly and quickly against terrorists attack.

We achieved our goal by killing and destroying terrorists hideouts
 
Sri Sri 108 feku ji maharaj will address the nation at 8 pm today.

Tune in for more drama by the actor.
 
globetrotter said:
Yes, very very successful operation sindoor… this is the 1st Indian government who acted responsibly and quickly against terrorists attack.

We achieved our goal by killing and destroying terrorists hideouts
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This entire adventure has only cemented one thing, China’s supremacy over India, delivered effortlessly, via Pakistan.

There’s absolutely nothing here for India to celebrate. But then again, when has that ever stopped Indians from throwing a parade for a loss?
 
HalBass9 said:
This entire adventure has only cemented one thing, China’s supremacy over India, delivered effortlessly, via Pakistan.

There’s absolutely nothing here for India to celebrate. But then again, when has that ever stopped Indians from throwing a parade for a loss?
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China is far ahead of India. It was never in question. China is in competition with US. Not a developing nation like India.

India is claiming they destroyed the alleged Terror camps and in the process destroyed some airbases of PAF. It has lost some jets and border soldiers through Pak shelling. Some innocents in the border also died due to Pak shelling.

I agree that there is no real need for celebration as the camps will be back in no time. A total wasted effort. Just to show the people that they did something about Pahalgam attack. These attacks will keep happening every few months. The mindset cannot be changed.
 
globetrotter said:
Yes, very very successful operation sindoor… this is the 1st Indian government who acted responsibly and quickly against terrorists attack.

We achieved our goal by killing and destroying terrorists hideouts
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They will be back again. Can't stop them.
 
globetrotter said:
Yes very true, we achieved our objectives by destroying terrorists hide outs, Indian army not interested in killing innocent Pakistanis. What’s the point in killing them when they over burden with IMF loans
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From now on India policy is changed. Any Major terrorist attacks by Pakistan in Indian soil will be considered as an act of war . Brahmos is always ready to destroy Terrorist and their camps in Pakistan. :kp
 
Lol...I expect Indians to come for cheat thumping here soon....after all parmathama is coming to TV for speech soon.
 
globetrotter said:
Yes, very very successful operation sindoor… this is the 1st Indian government who acted responsibly and quickly against terrorists attack.

We achieved our goal by killing and destroying terrorists hideouts
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US has been doing that since 2001 in Afghanistan. Whole lot of good that did.

So good luck!
 
Devadwal said:
From now on India policy is changed. Any Major terrorist attacks by Pakistan in Indian soil will be considered as an act of war . Brahmos is always ready to destroy Terrorist and their camps in Pakistan. :kp
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All the very best with that policy. You are heading towards MAD.

It is better to come to the table and discuss a peaceful Kashmir resolution, perhaps lobby other countries and international forums to bring democracy back to Pakistan if you really want to be helpful. Try and isolate the military dictatorial establishment of Pakistan. Those would be more proactive and useful steps that will benefit the whole region. You chest thumpers simply want war. Not following logic and common sense to bring peace and mutual progress to both nations.

Pakistanis are fighting against the military dictatorship in the country and trying to bring IK back. You guys are simply making the military establishment more popular by starting wars.

Stop being immature children and smell the coffee
 
I find it hilarious Indians here have not been able to:

1. Stop the so-called terrorists from breaching into their country
2. Hitting a tourist spot hundred of miles into the LOC
3. Non-existent response from India to help/rescue the affected victims IN THEIR OWN HOMELAND
4. Inability to locate, capture, even provide any update on the status of the suspected terrorists.


The utter ineptitude and inability of the Indian security apparatus is being swept under the rug and somehow we are not being told they are more efficient and killing those terrorists INSIDE another country's territory when 1, 2, 3 and 4 above exist. LOL

If jhoot and delusion had a face it would be that of an Indian trying to convince you on this matter.
 
HalBass9 said:
This entire adventure has only cemented one thing, China’s supremacy over India, delivered effortlessly, via Pakistan.

There’s absolutely nothing here for India to celebrate. But then again, when has that ever stopped Indians from throwing a parade for a loss?
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Indeed. :inti

- China took away almost all the regional allies away from India.
- China grabbed 2000 sq km of Indian territory since 2020.
- Chinese tech has been proven to be superior than Indian/western tech in the recent conflict.

China demonstrated why they have an average IQ of over 100 and why India has an average IQ of 76.24. Chinese are simply more intelligent and efficient. China also has a leader who is not an illiterate chaiwala; that helps too I guess.
 
Stewie said:
All the very best with that policy. You are heading towards MAD.

It is better to come to the table and discuss a peaceful Kashmir resolution, perhaps lobby other countries and international forums to bring democracy back to Pakistan if you really want to be helpful. Try and isolate the military dictatorial establishment of Pakistan. Those would be more proactive and useful steps that will benefit the whole region. You chest thumpers simply want war. Not following logic and common sense to bring peace and mutual progress to both nations.

Pakistanis are fighting against the military dictatorship in the country and trying to bring IK back. You guys are simply making the military establishment more popular by starting wars.

Stop being immature children and smell the coffee
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India obviously shouldn't be starting wars but I don't think any of what you outline are viable options for India for at least the next 5 years.

- The only logical solution for Kashmir is staring everyone in the face but after the events of the last month, accepting it is impossible for both sides
- Bringing democracy (back?) to Pakistan is not India's job and even if it was, is impossible for India to execute. Any hint of Indian support for Imran Khan would turn him into a Shaikh Hasina type figure in the Pakistan public's eyes.

The only option for India is to look inwards. Strong borders and continued development.
 
One lesson learnt is that there is no space for limited strikes anymore. There is no balakote type scenario possible.

If India wants to strike Pakistan, then the only option is a limited war which means first strike has to be on Pak military assets/airdefense and then on terror camps. The entire planning has to be for this scenario, not hoping India will bomb Pakistan and there will be no bombing back from the other side.
 
Red-Indian said:
India obviously shouldn't be starting wars but I don't think any of what you outline are viable options for India for at least the next 5 years.

- The only logical solution for Kashmir is staring everyone in the face but after the events of the last month, accepting it is impossible for both sides
- Bringing democracy (back?) to Pakistan is not India's job and even if it was, is impossible for India to execute. Any hint of Indian support for Imran Khan would turn him into a Shaikh Hasina type figure in the Pakistan public's eyes.

The only option for India is to look inwards. Strong borders and continued development.
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I think the current strategy was working quite well. work against terrorists, improve intelligence gathering and surveillance within borders and target their financial support networks.

But its impossible to stop ALL terror attacks, you can hope to reduce it to a minimum. Instead of whipping up nationalistic fervour to start a war every time a terror attack starts , we need to learn from the mistakes and go after the perpetrators.
 
Red-Indian said:
India obviously shouldn't be starting wars but I don't think any of what you outline are viable options for India for at least the next 5 years.

- The only logical solution for Kashmir is staring everyone in the face but after the events of the last month, accepting it is impossible for both sides
- Bringing democracy (back?) to Pakistan is not India's job and even if it was, is impossible for India to execute. Any hint of Indian support for Imran Khan would turn him into a Shaikh Hasina type figure in the Pakistan public's eyes.

The only option for India is to look inwards. Strong borders and continued development.
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India seemed pretty quick to rush the East Pakistan and bring democracy there in 1971. I am sure you guys can do it again. lol

Anyhow, take a look at my exact words. A democratic Pakistan is in the best interest of India and rather than lobbying "against" Pakistan and maintaining and antagonistic and irrational stance as it is, India could have a more malleable posture that is helpful to them as well. By continuing the confrontational "wipe out Pakistan" approach as it is, you are simply enabling and empowering the military establishment of Pakistan. You have no clue how united the nation right now in their support totally forgetting the damage they have caused over the last year and half or so in particular and since the 50s-60s in general.

Anyhow, that's just my take. As Indians, you guys would feel inclined to say bombing and attacking is the easy approach. I think after this adventure, it should be clear you are not US or Israel and we are not Afghanistan or GAZA.

The current course will always lead to MAD! What do you think Vance meant when he talked about "alarming intelligence" when the Americans jumped in?
 
oatmeal said:
I think the current strategy was working quite well. work against terrorists, improve intelligence gathering and surveillance within borders and target their financial support networks.

But its impossible to stop ALL terror attacks, you can hope to reduce it to a minimum. Instead of whipping up nationalistic fervour to start a war every time a terror attack starts , we need to learn from the mistakes and go after the perpetrators.
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Once again, and I thought you would be smarter than this so I don't have to say this but

India is NOT USA or Israel, and Pakistan is NOT Afghanistan or Gaza. Try to get it in your heads. Even USA realized after a long time this approach does not work. You are not even in the same league as them and dont have the ability or capacity to have a protracted war with a nuclear nation. You try it and you get a call from US because they know the finger is heading towards the button.

I know, its unfortunate but these are the hard truths. You may want to batton down the hatches on your side first before you consider any other options. This terrorism is just not going to go away by bombing other states. You are not accomplishing anything, only giving them more legitimacy.
 
Stewie said:
Once again, and I thought you would be smarter than this so I don't have to say this but

India is NOT USA or Israel, and Pakistan is NOT Afghanistan or Gaza. Try to get it in your heads. Even USA realized after a long time this approach does not work. You are not even in the same league as them and dont have the ability or capacity to have a protracted war with a nuclear nation. You try it and you get a call from US because they know the finger is heading towards the button.

I know, its unfortunate but these are the hard truths. You may want to batton down the hatches on your side first before you consider any other options. This terrorism is just not going to go away by bombing other states. You are not accomplishing anything, only giving them more legitimacy.
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You're misunderstanding my post. I explicitly argued against bombing Pakistan in pursuit of terrorists.

But India can work in its own part of Kashmir, improve surveillance and security, recruit informants in terror outfits. Target people who provide financial support. These are proven strategies to combat terrorism.

This was already working quite well, the number of terror attacks has dropped a lot in the last 15-20 years.
 
oatmeal said:
You're misunderstanding my post. I explicitly argued against bombing Pakistan in pursuit of terrorists.

But India can work in its own part of Kashmir, improve surveillance and security, recruit informants in terror outfits. Target people who provide financial support. These are proven strategies to combat terrorism.

This was already working quite well, the number of terror attacks has dropped a lot in the last 15-20 years.
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Apologies if that's what you meant. But yes, that is a very reasonable approach.
 
India is behaving like a rogue psychopath state. They have become a threat to the entire region. :inti

Japan was also behaving like this during WW2 and they were eventually humbled (to the point where Japan embraced pacifism as a state policy).

India should learn from history. They can disintegrate if they continue this destructive path. :inti
 
Stewie said:
India seemed pretty quick to rush the East Pakistan and bring democracy there in 1971. I am sure you guys can do it again. lol

Anyhow, take a look at my exact words. A democratic Pakistan is in the best interest of India and rather than lobbying "against" Pakistan and maintaining and antagonistic and irrational stance as it is, India could have a more malleable posture that is helpful to them as well. By continuing the confrontational "wipe out Pakistan" approach as it is, you are simply enabling and empowering the military establishment of Pakistan. You have no clue how united the nation right now in their support totally forgetting the damage they have caused over the last year and half or so in particular and since the 50s-60s in general.
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Unfortunately engaging with Pakistan doesnt work for Indian domestic politics anymore. Only BJP has the bandwidth to do it to improve relations but the party will taken a really hard-line approach so I dont see them changing course

If Congress comes to power, they will play it safe because if there is an accord or agreement and terrorist attack happens down the line, it opens them to political attack from the opposition. Congress and major opposition parties were actually arguing for an attack on Pakistan after the Pahalgam attack. The overton window has shifted so far to the right that I dont know if it can ever be back

The most sustainable approach is an uneasy peace where both sides make bombastic statements condemning each other but there is no war or violence.
 
Stewie said:
India seemed pretty quick to rush the East Pakistan and bring democracy there in 1971. I am sure you guys can do it again. lol

Anyhow, take a look at my exact words. A democratic Pakistan is in the best interest of India and rather than lobbying "against" Pakistan and maintaining and antagonistic and irrational stance as it is, India could have a more malleable posture that is helpful to them as well. By continuing the confrontational "wipe out Pakistan" approach as it is, you are simply enabling and empowering the military establishment of Pakistan. You have no clue how united the nation right now in their support totally forgetting the damage they have caused over the last year and half or so in particular and since the 50s-60s in general.

Anyhow, that's just my take. As Indians, you guys would feel inclined to say bombing and attacking is the easy approach. I think after this adventure, it should be clear you are not US or Israel and we are not Afghanistan or GAZA.

The current course will always lead to MAD! What do you think Vance meant when he talked about "alarming intelligence" when the Americans jumped in?
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To echo @oatmeal, I think you're misunderstanding both of us. Neither of us think this misadventure has yielded anything except bolstering Modi and Munir's popularity.

Given the situation, I think the only way forward for India at least is to pretend Pakistan doesn't exist and look completely inward to solve our troubles. Not a permanent solution but the right one for the next 5 years. Pakistan is always going to be a military dictatorship so there's no real point in talking and trying to solve problems together.

On another note, we should be thankful for small mercies. Both of us are stuck with unfortunate leaders - us with a power-hungry populist who's willing to risk outright war to maintain his grip on popularity and power; Pakistan with a brutal military dictator. However we should be grateful we don't have the level of egomaniacs that are in charge of Russia and Ukraine - both of those idiots have sacrificed hundreds of thousands of lives on a pointless war. Both of our guys are at least pragmatists even if they are stupids.
 
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Red-Indian said:
To echo @oatmeal, I think you're misunderstanding both of us. Neither of us think this misadventure has yielded anything except bolstering Modi and Munir's popularity.

Given the situation, I think the only way forward for India at least is to pretend Pakistan doesn't exist and look completely inward to solve our troubles. Not a permanent solution but the right one for the next 5 years. Pakistan is always going to be a military dictatorship so there's no real point in talking and trying to solve problems together.

On another note, we should be thankful for small mercies. Both of us are stuck with unfortunate leaders - us with a power-hungry populist who's willing to risk outright war to maintain his grip on popularity and power; Pakistan with a brutal military dictator. However we should be grateful we don't have the level of egomaniacs that are in charge of Russia and Ukraine - both of those idiots have sacrificed hundreds of thousands of lives on a pointless war. Both of our guys are at least pragmatists even if they are a*****s.
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Isn’t this exactly what Modi’s been doing since 2014? parade nationalism like it's a defense strategy.

You can’t keep ignoring your neighborhood and expect regional peace. Who’s next on the list, Bangladesh?

And let’s be honest, at the end of the day, both Munir and the Butcher of Gujarat walk away as “winners.” The tragedy? One wasn’t chosen by the people, the other was.

The people of India need to wake up to the reality, Modi hasn’t made India or the region any safer. When a leader starts talking about opening another front, this time over water, the most basic human necessity, you’re not headed toward peace. You’re headed toward a disaster scripted by pride and cheered on by delusion.
 
HalBass9 said:
Isn’t this exactly what Modi’s been doing since 2014? parade nationalism like it's a defense strategy.

You can’t keep ignoring your neighborhood and expect regional peace. Who’s next on the list, Bangladesh?

And let’s be honest, at the end of the day, both Munir and the Butcher of Gujarat walk away as “winners.” The tragedy? One wasn’t chosen by the people, the other was.

The people of India need to wake up to the reality, Modi hasn’t made India or the region any safer. When a leader starts talking about opening another front, this time over water, the most basic human necessity, you’re not headed toward peace. You’re headed toward a disaster scripted by pride and cheered on by delusion.
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Good points - I think Pakistanis were/are definitely not interested in warring with anyone. The establishment would probably welcome it because it enhances their popularity but still the state controlled or other wise media in Pakistan has not been banging the war drums against India at all.

On the other hand, the Indian politicians and media have ratcheted up the anti Pakistani hysteria to ridiculous levels, and that is the difference. There was a time when we could sit down and enjoy Indian films but these days there are hardly any that don't have an anti- Pakistan agenda, so most Pakistanis I know have just stopped watching the modern day Indian films. This is just an example. There news and talk shows are always full of hatred for Pakistan as well. You see one or two sane voices there which we appreciate but those are starting to drown out now as well.
 
Devadwal said:
From now on India policy is changed. Any Major terrorist attacks by Pakistan in Indian soil will be considered as an act of war . Brahmos is always ready to destroy Terrorist and their camps in Pakistan. :kp
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there are few things in this world more retarded than the idea that any rogue actor with a gun or a bomb can push india into a war. the reason you have military strategists, politicians, advisors, consultants, etc working around the clock is to understand the risk rewards of engagement. im pretty sure the only outcome of this imbecilic approach to foreign policy will be a plethora of caveats and slippery details which would mean nothing and everything could be simultaneously declared an act of terrorism.

in practise and in theory this is a dumb move, but not surprising from this bjp government, which seems to be staffed with imbeciles at every level.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
someone plz tag this to trump :ROFLMAO:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921940935492977006
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In same world cup pakistan was humiliated by india , afghanistan and knockout from groups stage just like recently.

India destroyed all the Pakistan airforce based and radar plus defence system while pakistan Only can produce fake doctored images of indian based. There was a reason when ceasefire announced even after that pakistan send drones to attack india but india intercepted all of them while pakistan didn't intercepted indian drone and landed in peshawar after crossing all the Pakistan Major cities why? Because pakistan defence system was already destroyed by india. :kp
 
ElRaja said:
there are few things in this world more retarded than the idea that any rogue actor with a gun or a bomb can push india into a war. the reason you have military strategists, politicians, advisors, consultants, etc working around the clock is to understand the risk rewards of engagement. im pretty sure the only outcome of this imbecilic approach to foreign policy will be a plethora of caveats and slippery details which would mean nothing and everything could be simultaneously declared an act of terrorism.

in practise and in theory this is a dumb move, but not surprising from this bjp government, which seems to be staffed with imbeciles at every level.
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This war what they believed was their strategic war objective . Go to war with pakistan and no more attacks again in occupied Kashmir. The next arrack will happen again in a few months due to resistance to occupation who are torturing and bulldozing houses right now. Almost all the time its against soldiers, it's often not shared in Indian media if one or two are killed. This will continue and India will be back at square one .

It will go down as one of the most idiotic policy moves by any government. Most Indians know this but may never admit to it openly
 
Devadwal said:
In same world cup pakistan was humiliated by india , afghanistan and knockout from groups stage just like recently.

India destroyed all the Pakistan airforce based and radar plus defence system while pakistan Only can produce fake doctored images of indian based. There was a reason when ceasefire announced even after that pakistan send drones to attack india but india intercepted all of them while pakistan didn't intercepted indian drone and landed in peshawar after crossing all the Pakistan Major cities why? Because pakistan defence system was already destroyed by india. :kp
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think u been trying to count your rafael , caused ur brain t malfunction.......... you missing 3 rafaels
 
KingKhanWC said:
This war what they believed was their strategic war objective . Go to war with pakistan and no more attacks again in occupied Kashmir. The next arrack will happen again in a few months due to resistance to occupation who are torturing and bulldozing houses right now. Almost all the time its against soldiers, it's often not shared in Indian media if one or two are killed. This will continue and India will be back at square one .

It will go down as one of the most idiotic policy moves by any government. Most Indians know this but may never admit to it openly
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if anything the insurgency will get worse, if you were a Kashmiri insurgent, and you knew your actions would force india into conflict that would constantly push the Kashmir cause into the global media space you would have all the more reason to carry out attacks. it wouldnt even matter if you had support from pak or not, cause india will do the heavy lifting and tell you Pakistan supported you.

its ironic how india focuses on terriorist and non military combatants, whether its the pak army, or the Chinese taking their territory by a million paper cuts, they'd rather focus on fighting disorganised non state aggressors.
 
On a serious note, I am shocked that we had two nuclear armed countries on the verge of a major catastrophe unseen in modern warfare and it hasn't even made the front pages of the US and Canadian newspapers and tv channels. Both countries are focused on tariffs, trade, 51st state.

Its a sad depiction that we will always be third world brown scum who immigrate and take away local jobs to these folks
 
Savak said:
On a serious note, I am shocked that we had two nuclear armed countries on the verge of a major catastrophe unseen in modern warfare and it hasn't even made the front pages of the US and Canadian newspapers and tv channels. Both countries are focused on tariffs, trade, 51st state.

Its a sad depiction that we will always be third world brown scum who immigrate and take away local jobs to these folks
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There’s a reason British wanted us divided, divide and conquer is great for western world and us brownies follow it really nicely.

How many of the 50 states have split up? They are p much like 50 individual countries but are united. Similarly with Russia and China. Same was the case with the Ottoman Caliphate but same tricks Brits used on us, worked there too.

But we’re too prideful to realize
 
Out of interest, their accents suggests that they are not natives but recent immigrants to Poonch. Has there been a big drive to change the demographics in the last 5 or 6 years?
 
uppercut said:
And where did I say anything otherwise ? Go look at my responses to Captain bribery to get the context.



You might want to get your eyes and brains checked if they are in working order ... because as it stands India announced It would unilaterally strike Pak on the day Pehalgam happened and gave 2 weeks of time for your fauj to prep yet here you are counting Casualties and losses. Let that sink in.
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Took 2 weeks to prepare for a war only to back out once Pak went on the offensive. You're the one who needs his eyes and brain checked to fall for the chooran Modi is feeding you. Wake up
 
I read a very good analysis online about why noone in the West supported India:

a) Indians had really irritated the 5 Eyes nations especially Canadians and the Americans with their assisinating people acitivties and really overplayed their importance that they have the power or the capital to get away with it
b) Indians have been quite poor in their foreign policy with one foot in one foot out i.e are in the BRICS but the only country in BRICS who is also desparetly courting the West and stopping any kind of momeuntum by the global south especially with moves to get rid of the US dollar dominance which results in any moves were stopped by India. Loves being part of BRICS, which is now becoming an anti-western balwark but then joins the QUAD against one of BRICS main members, instead of talking it out with the Chinese.
c) India, once a beacon, of standing upto aparthied, supporting Palestine and being anti-coloninal nation now is vehemently Islamophobic, stands with genocide even if not officially most of their population does which also irritates most of the global South which has a very large Muslim population and noone rushes to its defence as seen this time.
d) Loves making deals with Russia but the same time courts the West desparately so the latter doesn't really trust it

India also had a delusion it can get away especially with 1 when it has no global capital to. The analyst concluded everyone sees India has one foot in everything and one foot out and doesn't consider anyone its real friend hence noone does. No real friends hence noone really cared for its narrative anymore. Even Russia was neutral this time, main reason being they depend entirely on the Chinese now who openly backed Pakistan.

Hence why noone rushed to India's defence or cared about the same old tired narrative it pumps out.

India now has issues with Bangladesh, China, Pakistan and has poor relations with Nepal.

We used to hear Indians telling us how we have issues with all our neighbors so the problem must be us. I wonder if there is any self reflection. I don't think so. As the above will all fly over their head
 
Pakpak said:
I read a very good analysis online about why noone in the West supported India:

a) Indians had really irritated the 5 Eyes nations especially Canadians and the Americans with their assisinating people acitivties and really overplayed their importance that they have the power or the capital to get away with it
b) Indians have been quite poor in their foreign policy with one foot in one foot out i.e are in the BRICS but the only country in BRICS who is also desparetly courting the West and stopping any kind of momeuntum by the global south especially with moves to get rid of the US dollar dominance which results in any moves were stopped by India. Loves being part of BRICS, which is now becoming an anti-western balwark but then joins the QUAD against one of BRICS main members, instead of talking it out with the Chinese.
c) India, once a beacon, of standing upto aparthied, supporting Palestine and being anti-coloninal nation now is vehemently Islamophobic, stands with genocide even if not officially most of their population does which also irritates most of the global South which has a very large Muslim population and noone rushes to its defence as seen this time.
d) Loves making deals with Russia but the same time courts the West desparately so the latter doesn't really trust it

India also had a delusion it can get away especially with 1 when it has no global capital to. The analyst concluded everyone sees India has one foot in everything and one foot out and doesn't consider anyone its real friend hence noone does. No real friends hence noone really cared for its narrative anymore. Even Russia was neutral this time, main reason being they depend entirely on the Chinese now who openly backed Pakistan.

Hence why noone rushed to India's defence or cared about the same old tired narrative it pumps out.

India now has issues with Bangladesh, China, Pakistan and has poor relations with Nepal.

We used to hear Indians telling us how we have issues with all our neighbors so the problem must be us. I wonder if there is any self reflection. I don't think so. As the above will all fly over their head
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Good analysis. Indians have often boasted on here that they always stay out of other nations disputes. That might seem admirable in some ways, but at the same time it can also be seen as duplicitous and self serving. If you are a part of the BRICS membership, why would you trust a country which is keeping a foot in both camps and is basically slavering at the prospect of taking US business from China which is one of the biggest players in BRICS?

If you are a western country, you would look at them with the same suspicion. How much can you really trust a nation which is saying one thing to you, but at the same time part of an organisation which will eventually destroy your financial dominance? Indians pride themselves on their non-alignment, but it works both ways. Why would anyone put trust in a nation which is so non-committal and could switch sides at any time at the drop of a hat?
 
I read/saw somewhere on Indian channels that leaders of BJP are going to go round the country to tell them all about the good outcomes of this operation. Indian posters feel free to correct me on this.
 
IAJ said:
Let's say Pakistan decides to attack some 'terrorist'-camps within India, will the Indian army be happy and thank Pakistan for doing that or will it see it as an attack on India's sovereignty and retaliate?
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It has nothing to do with some bs argument about 'sovereignity'.

Pakistan retaliated to protect its terror camps. The khakis adore them, as we can see in this photo.


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RexRex said:
It has nothing to do with some bs argument about 'sovereignity'.

Pakistan retaliated to protect its terror camps. The khakis adore them, as we can see in this photo.


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Easy way to run away from the question. However I am not surprised.

Anyways tell me what you see in this picture?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Good analysis. Indians have often boasted on here that they always stay out of other nations disputes. That might seem admirable in some ways, but at the same time it can also be seen as duplicitous and self serving. If you are a part of the BRICS membership, why would you trust a country which is keeping a foot in both camps and is basically slavering at the prospect of taking US business from China which is one of the biggest players in BRICS?

If you are a western country, you would look at them with the same suspicion. How much can you really trust a nation which is saying one thing to you, but at the same time part of an organisation which will eventually destroy your financial dominance? Indians pride themselves on their non-alignment, but it works both ways. Why would anyone put trust in a nation which is so non-committal and could switch sides at any time at the drop of a hat?
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The issue is that in the bi-power world it was easier to pick sides, as either super power pretty much demanded it and that's how the world was. Half of it was pro-US, the other half pro-Soviet. But since then the US has been the sole power and during the time they were very dominant and had no opponent it was easier to play this 'oh we are friends with everyone'. Since noone in the 'everyone' bloc would threaten the US's power.

That has changed now especially the Russian invasion of Ukraine, where China's power has massively increased to the point many countries are now thinking they can piggy back on it and dent the US's power and so we are moving back to the bi-power world and due to it the West is very belligrant to any regime who doesn't tow their line and any regime who doesn't priortise the West. The US displays its power by:

a) military might - still unchallenged
b) trade threats - this threat is now eroding fast as China rules the roost
c) the biggest of them all...... sanctions. Financial doom. This threat is still powerful.

The last one is the biggest one. To this end the Global South/BRICS have been trying their best to first make a bloc led by China and second to dent the US's financial blackmail. The one stumbling block to that is...India.

India's playing both sides won't work now. The US will grow increasingly aggressive. Russia has been far more neutral to us as well, one of the big reasons being they now rely a lot on China, the latter bankrolls us. The BRICS see India with deep suspicion as a nation still not committed to eroding the US's power and infact entering alliances such as QUAD - aimed at the BRICS 2 biggest members + being extreme Islamophobes. The West also sees India with suspicion as on one hand it keeps courting them but on the other it buys Russian oil for example.

Leaving India nowhere. Hence why noone rushed to its defence. Israel's genocide and India supporting it also didn't help, as everyone's grown wiser to the 'terrorist' nonsense that gets trotted out and used as an excuse for war.
 
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The amount of hate being spewed at Turkiye and Azerbaijan by Indians on social media is off the charts. If something good has come out of this conflict it is that the world is seeing BJP hindutva for what it is. They've even managed to **** off the Iranians, let alone the Gulf states where so many of them run for work.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
The amount of hate being spewed at Turkiye and Azerbaijan by Indians on social media is off the charts. If something good has come out of this conflict it is that the world is seeing BJP hindutva for what it is. They've even managed to **** off the Iranians, let alone the Gulf states where so many of them run for work.
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I suppose FATF "membership" to the newly formed Jet-Black list incoming for India? Perhaps followed by nominations of dozens of Indians to UNs most wanted terrorists list ?

@Romali_rotti
@Mesozoic
@Hitman
 
uppercut said:
I suppose FATF "membership" to the newly formed Jet-Black list incoming for India? Perhaps followed by nominations of dozens of Indians to UNs most wanted terrorists list ?

@Romali_rotti
@Mesozoic
@Hitman
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India already picks and chooses which parts of UN resolutions to implement so that can be struck off the list. As for FATF it was a tool designed by the Five Eyes nations and I am not even sure they take much notice of it any more. It is a fluid organisation designed for their purposes, and only quoted by Indians when they want to reveal their own servitude to the Five Eyes and their terminology.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
India already picks and chooses which parts of UN resolutions to implement so that can be struck off the list. As for FATF it was a tool designed by the Five Eyes nations and I am not even sure they take much notice of it any more. It is a fluid organisation designed for their purposes, and only quoted by Indians when they want to reveal their own servitude to the Five Eyes and their terminology.
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Whether you're right or not on whether the FATF was designed as a genuine tool to combat money laundering or as a weapon to be used by the big boys, the fact remains that it's a pretty powerful weapon and still run by bureaucrats rather than politicians.

Being on the FATF gray list means that a number of large financial institutions will shy away. It's a hassle maintaining all the required documentation when you're doing transactions with entities in gray list countries and most medium size banks and other Fintechs like Paypal won't even bother.

Black list countries have it much much harder. Hardly any serious financial institution will do business there. There's only 3 countries anyway Iran, North Korea and Myanmar so you have to be a real bad boy to get on it.

India doesn't have too much influence there. After it's only one of 38 the countries (plus the EU & GCC) on the Task Force. We can lobby but it will require a lot of evidence gathering and politicking to get Pakistan on the list. I'm sure there's going to be intense lobbying over the next year or two. A test for diplomats from both countries.
 
Red-Indian said:
Whether you're right or not on whether the FATF was designed as a genuine tool to combat money laundering or as a weapon to be used by the big boys, the fact remains that it's a pretty powerful weapon and still run by bureaucrats rather than politicians.

Being on the FATF gray list means that a number of large financial institutions will shy away. It's a hassle maintaining all the required documentation when you're doing transactions with entities in gray list countries and most medium size banks and other Fintechs like Paypal won't even bother.

Black list countries have it much much harder. Hardly any serious financial institution will do business there. There's only 3 countries anyway Iran, North Korea and Myanmar so you have to be a real bad boy to get on it.

India doesn't have too much influence there. After it's only one of 38 the countries (plus the EU & GCC) on the Task Force. We can lobby but it will require a lot of evidence gathering and politicking to get Pakistan on the list. I'm sure there's going to be intense lobbying over the next year or two. A test for diplomats from both countries.
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Point is, it is designed and run for the benefit of current world order and is used as a political tool for that end. Why does India even want to lobby to get Pakistan on that list? We have to look at that context when we read about it in threads on here.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Point is, it is designed and run for the benefit of current world order and is used as a political tool for that end. Why does India even want to lobby to get Pakistan on that list? We have to look at that context when we read about it in threads on here.
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That's a pretty naive question - FATF is a tool. If India genuinely believes that Pakistan finances terrorists (and I assume we do) and assists in money laundering, we have every reason to lobby to have that recognized and have Pakistan placed on the gray list. From reading a few blogs, I doubt it. Pakistan is currently in America's good books for having captured Mohammed Sharifullah and handing him over. After Trump publicly thanked Pakistan for co-operating on terrorism, it wouldn't be a good look for the US to vote on declaring it on the graylist. As I said, India will need both evidence and solid lobbying if it wants to get this done.
 
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