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A stats based T20I comparision: Mohammad Rizwan vs Rohit Sharma vs others

Rohit has retired, Rizwan in his fag end of T20 career and Travis still there for some time until the U19 guys just replace him in the team. In long term formats Travis is the best option
 
@Rana do u think it's major in disguise. I saw all these blatant arguments were made by him earlier and all were refuted. The t 20 champion about whom eng t20 blast has not bothered and has not scored any thing good in 22/24 t20 wc is so irrationally can be supported by you know whom
 
Vikram1989 said:
@Rana do u think it's major in disguise. I saw all these blatant arguments were made by him earlier and all were refuted. The t 20 champion about whom eng t20 blast has not bothered and has not scored any thing good in 22/24 t20 wc is so irrationally can be supported by you know whom
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It’s not major

I know his English. He can’t improve it.
 
I don't care about excel sheets.

All I know is Rohit and Head are a million times better than Muhammad Rizwan.

No amount of stat padding will change that.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
I don't care about excel sheets.

All I know is Rohit and Head are a million times better than Muhammad Rizwan.

No amount of stat padding will change that.
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This is a cop out. The game is on numbers. Results of games are decided by numbers. Argument here is not that Rohit and Head are bad players, they are very good T20 players but if you see pure, objective numbers, you will find how relatively overrated they are compared to Rizwan (and Babar). Head has not even managed to take his team to SF and F in T20 WCs yet he is rated as some T20 Bradman. Rohit no offense as I like him as a player but he was essentially forced out of the Indian side due to bad fitness and age although he did go out on a high for which he must be credited.
 
Rana said:
He may have studied @Major and @Caved12 or @IMMY69 carefully with their flimsy arguments. But he is like the RizBar Cell in Dragon Ball Z. He sucks in all of those guys to produce the ultimate specimen.
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But he is like the RizBar Cell in Dragon Ball Z. He sucks in all of those guys to produce the ultimate specimen

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. PP really needs a Post of the century thread. Im laughing so hard right now lol
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
This is a cop out. The game is on numbers. Results of games are decided by numbers. Argument here is not that Rohit and Head are bad players, they are very good T20 players but if you see pure, objective numbers, you will find how relatively overrated they are compared to Rizwan (and Babar). Head has not even managed to take his team to SF and F in T20 WCs yet he is rated as some T20 Bradman. Rohit no offense as I like him as a player but he was essentially forced out of the Indian side due to bad fitness and age although he did go out on a high for which he must be credited.
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Babar and rizzu didn't take their team to the finals.

Babar avg 16 in that tournament and was a flopped fish. Rizzu avg 25 in that tournament lol

It was the middle order that took the team to the finals along with 3 very lucky games. Zimb vs sa got washed out when sa had already won, then drs made the sa chase against pk impossible, and then Nedtherlands managed to pull an upset against sa.
 
mominsaigol said:
But he is like the RizBar Cell in Dragon Ball Z. He sucks in all of those guys to produce the ultimate specimen

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. PP really needs a Post of the century thread. Im laughing so hard right now lol
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Yes you should tag him more as you need more support in the face of numbers. I am ready.
 
mominsaigol said:
Babar and rizzu didn't take their team to the finals.

Babar avg 16 in that tournament and was a flopped fish. Rizzu avg 25 in that tournament lol

It was the middle order that took the team to the finals along with 3 very lucky games. Zimb vs sa got washed out when sa had already won, then drs made the sa chase against pk impossible, and then Nedtherlands managed to pull an upset against sa.
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SF vs NZ - big game and both Rizwan and Babar stood up as Sharma and Head were watching from their TV. 2021 WC India vs Pakistan, biggest game and Rizwan and Babar delivered the most one sided thrashing to biggest rivals 152/0. Rohit and Kohli's downfall started there and Bumrah has never been the same bowler since that shellacking culminating in their embarrassing performance in following 2022 WC and 3-0 humiliation vs New Zealand at home.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
SF vs NZ - big game and both Rizwan and Babar stood up as Sharma and Head were watching from their TV. 2021 WC India vs Pakistan, biggest game and Rizwan and Babar delivered the most one sided thrashing to biggest rivals 152/0. Rohit and Kohli's downfall started there and Bumrah has never been the same bowler since that shellacking culminating in their embarrassing performance in following 2022 WC and 3-0 humiliation vs New Zealand at home.
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Bumrah has literally owned both Babar and rizwan ever since 2021 time and again. He and pandya have been nightmares for the both of them? In any icc event lol.
 
To the OP, you are right. There is a conspiracy against T20 champion Rizwan Ahmed because majority of the cricketing world is conspiring against him in order to promote Big 3 stars so that they can make more revenue by milking the bigger markets.
 
152-0 was nothing special in the UAE, bashing Lanka was nothing in WC23. Getting bent over by the USA, costing Pakistan ICC trophies and botching a chase against India define the pretender.
 
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SF vs NZ - big game and both Rizwan and Babar stood up as Sharma and Head were watching from their TV. 2021 WC India vs Pakistan, biggest game and Rizwan and Babar delivered the most one sided thrashing to biggest rivals 152/0. Rohit and Kohli's downfall started there and Bumrah has never been the same bowler since that shellacking culminating in their embarrassing performance in following 2022 WC and 3-0 humil
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answer me once if rizwan is the goat then why the hell did he bottle the game vs india and batted with a mighty sr of 80
 
jamie smith said:
answer me once if rizwan is the goat then why the hell did he bottle the game vs india and batted with a mighty sr of 80
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That was bottled by so-called finisher Imad. It was a difficult pitch and not one of Rizwan's best but he was still top scorer. If Imad finisher had supported him Pak would have won. If Sachin is GOAT why did he bottle vs Bangladesh in 2012 Asia Cup? Rizwan is in T20I what Sachin is in ODI.
 
mominsaigol said:
Bumrah has literally owned both Babar and rizwan ever since 2021 time and again. He and pandya have been nightmares for the both of them? In any icc event lol.
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We saw his greatness against Bumrah in the recent WT20.

Bumrah didn’t get the memo about Rizwan’s one shot repertoire in 2021, like surely such a limited cricketer doesn’t exist; now that he is in tune with his abilities, he toyed with him. Players like Rizwan don’t really help Bumrah’s legacy, absolute utter tripe of a batsman.

That shot Rizwan played against Bumrah is about on par with his heroes famous scoop in the 07 WC.
 
mominsaigol said:
Bumrah has literally owned both Babar and rizwan ever since 2021 time and again. He and pandya have been nightmares for the both of them? In any icc event lol.
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152/0. Biggest humiliation ever. If not for brainless Rauf in 2022 and Imad finisher in 2024, India would not have any WC wins vs Pakistan since.
 
shaz619 said:
152-0 was nothing special in the UAE, bashing Lanka was nothing in WC23. Getting bent over by the USA, costing Pakistan ICC trophies and botching a chase against India define the pretender.
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Nothing special? He put Bumrah to the sword and exposed him. SL WC 2023 was a massive total and Pakistan's best win in WC 2023 thanks to Rizwan. Be grateful for what you have. USA was because of washed up Aamir and Imad.
 
shaz619 said:
We saw his greatness against Bumrah in the recent WT20.

Bumrah didn’t get the memo about Rizwan’s one shot repertoire in 2021, like surely such a limited cricketer doesn’t exist; now that he is in tune with his abilities, he toyed with him. Players like Rizwan don’t really help Bumrah’s legacy, absolute utter tripe of a batsman.

That shot Rizwan played against Bumrah is about on par with his heroes famous scoop in the 07 WC.
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That was a bowling pitch, India were 92-7 lol
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
That was a bowling pitch, India were 92-7 lol
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Molvi Saab couldn’t manage a straight forward chase at S/R’s he would find most suitable for his limited ability.

And it’s a shame it was a bowling pitch, they should have rolled out the red carpet for him so he could twerk for his stupid fans.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Nothing special? He put Bumrah to the sword and exposed him. SL WC 2023 was a massive total and Pakistan's best win in WC 2023 thanks to Rizwan. Be grateful for what you have. USA was because of washed up Aamir and Imad.
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shadab has played more match winning innings than rizwan. his 62 of 30 vs sa >rizwan whole t20 career
 
Rizwan in T20I:

Pressure player - WC 2024 Semi and WC 2021 biggest thrashing of India
Overall GOAT T20I record
Most successful opening T20I batsman and partnership with Babar
Destructive player in SA vs SA and versatile as shown by anchoring and exploding ability
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Nothing special? He put Bumrah to the sword and exposed him. SL WC 2023 was a massive total and Pakistan's best win in WC 2023 thanks to Rizwan. Be grateful for what you have. USA was because of washed up Aamir and Imad.
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Slow pitch, zero bounce, chasing a low total; nothing special, he cost Pakistan that tournament. He did nothing for the rest of the tournament and Lanka are not a top 5 opponent. Rizwan getting bent over by the USA and costing Pakistan another ICC event have been far more damaging then any superficial success. He can’t dream to handle Bumrah either, Bumrah is his abah now.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Rizwan in T20I:

Pressure player - WC 2024 Semi and WC 2021 biggest thrashing of India
Overall GOAT T20I record
Most successful opening T20I batsman and partnership with Babar
Destructive player in SA vs SA and versatile as shown by anchoring and exploding ability
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Pressure player but didn’t want to bat in the super over, couldn’t get his team over the line against India and cost Pakistan a couple of ICC trophies

Orchestrated the worst PP batting in Pak’s history, has one of the worst S/R’s of all time

69 partnership with Babar very good, but for cricket we saw how good it is just in the last match they twerked together, single digits for Babar & S/R of 70 for Rizwan in the 10th over


The only thing he is anchoring in SA are Babar’s cricket balls and the toilet exploding ability has been evident in the recent WT20 when Bumrah was getting ready for his run-up
 
shaz619 said:
Pressure player but didn’t want to bat in the super over, couldn’t get his team over the line against India and cost Pakistan a couple of ICC trophies

Orchestrated the worst PP batting in Pak’s history, has one of the worst S/R’s of all time

69 partnership with Babar very good, but for cricket we saw how good it is just in the last match they twerked together, single digits for Babar & S/R of 70 for Rizwan in the 10th over


The only thing he is anchoring in SA are Babar’s cricket balls and the toilet exploding ability has been evident in the recent WT20 when Bumrah was getting ready for his run-up
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Rizwan is always up for challenges and he does not back away. The coach and administration didn't let him bat the super over. He almost won the game vs SA a few days back off his own bat. Babar is going through a rough patch but if India can carry Kohli who has been crap for 4 years, Babar can be allowed a few bad games.
 
shaz619 said:
Slow pitch, zero bounce, chasing a low total; nothing special, he cost Pakistan that tournament. He did nothing for the rest of the tournament and Lanka are not a top 5 opponent. Rizwan getting bent over by the USA and costing Pakistan another ICC event have been far more damaging then any superficial success. He can’t dream to handle Bumrah either, Bumrah is his abah now.
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Bumrah could not even deliver vs NZ at home. He is still scarred by what Rizwan and Babar did to him in 2021. 152/0. He always gets owned by Pak. Fakhar owned him in 2017 CT.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Rizwan is always up for challenges and he does not back away. The coach and administration didn't let him bat the super over. He almost won the game vs SA a few days back off his own bat. Babar is going through a rough patch but if India can carry Kohli who has been crap for 4 years, Babar can be allowed a few bad games.
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Agreed

I love how Rizwan grits the challenge especially with the run rate climbing with his stay at the crease
 
Rana said:
Agreed

I love how Rizwan grits the challenge especially with the run rate climbing with his stay at the crease
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Watch Bumrah reaction in 2024 match when Rizwan got out, India knew they had the dangerous Rizwan and the only one capable of winning Pakistan the match at that stage. The commentators knew it as well and India had to bring back Bumrah otherwise Rizwan was ready to launch.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Rizwan is always up for challenges and he does not back away. The coach and administration didn't let him bat the super over. He almost won the game vs SA a few days back off his own bat. Babar is going through a rough patch but if India can carry Kohli who has been crap for 4 years, Babar can be allowed a few bad games.
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Rizwan is a brave man, he will open the batting no matter the cost, but he didn’t want to do it in the super over 🤔 I saw how he nearly won keeping his S/R below 100 for 90% off the match, are you autistic or something that you can’t see that. Babar is not 2% off the player Kohli is, Kohli in his poor form scored a hundred in Australia, what has Babar done
 
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RizwanT20Champ said:
Watch Bumrah reaction in 2024 match when Rizwan got out, India knew they had the dangerous Rizwan and the only one capable of winning Pakistan the match at that stage. The commentators knew it as well and India had to bring back Bumrah otherwise Rizwan was ready to launch.
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Bhai if you don’t get Rizwan out it’s 100% learn for the other team
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Bumrah could not even deliver vs NZ at home. He is still scarred by what Rizwan and Babar did to him in 2021. 152/0. He always gets owned by Pak. Fakhar owned him in 2017 CT.
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Yeah so scared that it wasn’t him who made Rizwan look like a 🤡 in the WT20, Bumrah is doing something for his team now
 
So the balance of power has shifted now , as Rizwan being hailed the greatest T20 opener
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Rizwan innings vs India 2021 WC and 2022 Semi vs NZ > Head, Sharma whole T20I career.
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Mate Travis Head's 137 against India in India in a wc final is better then 99% of cricketers to have ever played the game?

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Travis is > lara or anything, however the fact remains that what he did is right up their as one of the greatest International achievements of all time, Shared alongside gilly and pointing.
 
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shaz619 said:
Rizwan is a brave man, he will open the batting no matter the cost, but he didn’t want to do it in the super over 🤔 I saw how he nearly won keeping his S/R below 100 for 90% off the match, are you autistic or something that you can’t see that. Babar is not 2% off the player Kohli is, Kohli in his poor form scored a hundred in Australia, what has Babar done 🤡
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Just because you are the greatest T20 opener in history, greater than Gayle and Warner doesn’t mean you are suited to hit in the super over.
 
Rana said:
The 130* v Sri Lanka is something Travis Head can only dream of
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Tbf that is Rizzu's greatest innings. Probs the only time he didn't botch and actually played a very good knock but to put rizzu > Travis head is wild 🤣🤣.

Travis head this year alone butchered England and smacked a 150 in their own den? Badly hurt these boys, And now butchered India left and right in the 2nd test?

He's easily the best all format player in the world currently and top 5 to 10 all format guns of all time. Pakistan hasn't had such a player since classic Inzi. After inzimam, no pakiatani player has ever come close to Travis Head.

Fakhar Zaman has in odi only at times. In t20? Naw.
 
shaz619 said:
Yeah so scared that it wasn’t him who made Rizwan look like a 🤡 in the WT20, Bumrah is doing something for his team now
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Yes getting smashed by Australia you mean? People have a problem with Rizwan it seems because he is a good role model, a good human being and are using any excuse to hate him.
 
Please keep your posts related. Thread is not about bumrah and Australia so stay on topic
 
bro riz is playing cricket not nominating himself for nobel peace prize
RizwanT20Champ said:
Yes getting smashed by Australia you mean? People have a problem with Rizwan it seems because he is a good role model, a good human being and are using any excuse to hate him.
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So far no one has managed to argue with numbers. Numbers show that he is arguably the best T20I batsman of all time. Ab de Villiers for example averaged 26 and struck at only 135, yet he gets hailed by some Pak fans but not their own who averages 48 at a similar strike rate.

The hate from Rizwan seems to come from jealousy and non cricketing reasons and I don't want that to derail the thread here.

Rizwan is arguably the most complete T20I player if you factor his incomparable batting record and add that he is one of the best keepers. If you have numbers to argue otherwise let's hear them.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
So far no one has managed to argue with numbers. Numbers show that he is arguably the best T20I batsman of all time. Ab de Villiers for example averaged 26 and struck at only 135, yet he gets hailed by some Pak fans but not their own who averages 48 at a similar strike rate.

The hate from Rizwan seems to come from jealousy and non cricketing reasons and I don't want that to derail the thread here.

Rizwan is arguably the most complete T20I player if you factor his incomparable batting record and add that he is one of the best keepers. If you have numbers to argue
RizwanT20Champ said:
So far no one has managed to argue with numbers. Numbers show that he is arguably the best T20I batsman of all time. Ab de Villiers for example averaged 26 and struck at only 135, yet he gets hailed by some Pak fans but not their own who averages 48 at a similar strike rate.

The hate from Rizwan seems to come from jealousy and non cricketing reasons and I don't want that to derail the thread here.

Rizwan is arguably the most complete T20I player if you factor his incomparable batting record and add that he is one of the best keepers. If you have numbers to argue otherwise let's hear them.
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abd played in different era when he retired riz was not being played by even kk
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RizwanT20Champ said:
So far no one has managed to argue with numbers. Numbers show that he is arguably the best T20I batsman of all time. Ab de Villiers for example averaged 26 and struck at only 135, yet he gets hailed by some Pak fans but not their own who averages 48 at a similar strike rate.

The hate from Rizwan seems to come from jealousy and non cricketing reasons and I don't want that to derail the thread here.

Rizwan is arguably the most complete T20I player if you factor his incomparable batting record and add that he is one of the best keepers. If you have numbers to argue otherwise let's hear them.
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why would we be jealous of our own players . we are only saying what is good for pak cricket. i dont hate any player nor i am someones fan,if a player is not good enough then he should be dropped and chance should be given to new players
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
So far no one has managed to argue with numbers. Numbers show that he is arguably the best T20I batsman of all time. Ab de Villiers for example averaged 26 and struck at only 135, yet he gets hailed by some Pak fans but not their own who averages 48 at a similar strike rate.

The hate from Rizwan seems to come from jealousy and non cricketing reasons and I don't want that to derail the thread here.

Rizwan is arguably the most complete T20I player if you factor his incomparable batting record and add that he is one of the best keepers. If you have numbers to argue otherwise let's hear them.
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T20 format is not based on averages.

T20 is about strike rates and impact.

Rizwan has neither in T20.

He is like an anchor who keeps sitting there and hoping someone else will smack the ball around while he hits a 50 off 45 balls.

This only works if the target is low 150-160 or if the other batters indeed play blinders.

If the other batters fail or if the target is 180 plus Rizwan's approach doesnt help you win any games but helps you lose by respectable margin.

I dare you to point out any substantial T20 innings against first choice teams by Rizwan when the target was above 180.

Please dont give me Junior Dalas.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
T20 format is not based on averages.

T20 is about strike rates and impact.

Rizwan has neither in T20.

He is like an anchor who keeps sitting there and hoping someone else will smack the ball around while he hits a 50 off 45 balls.

This only works if the target is low 150-160 or if the other batters indeed play blinders.

If the other batters fail or if the target is 180 plus Rizwan's approach doesnt help you win any games but helps you lose by respectable margin.

I dare you to point out any substantial T20 innings against first choice teams by Rizwan when the target was above 180.

Please dont give me Junior Dalas.
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What is AB De Villier Strike Rate in T20I? Will you answer without excuses?

To answer, Rizwan when target was more than 180:

1. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...a-vs-pakistan-1st-t20i-1251575/full-scorecard against SA in SA, MOM performance
2. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...d-vs-pakistan-3rd-t20i-1426832/full-scorecard outside Asia in rainy Dublin conditions
3. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...a-vs-pakistan-3rd-t20i-1251577/full-scorecard destroyed SA in SA with Babar once again 200+
4. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...s-west-indies-3rd-t20i-1287775/full-scorecard 200+ chase again MOM performance
5. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...n-8th-match-super-four-1327276/full-scorecard against arch rivals India top scoring match winning knock
6. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...an-vs-england-2nd-t20i-1327229/full-scorecard 200+ chase vs then T20 champions England with 10 wicket humiliation once again by most successful T20I pair of Babar and Rizwan
7. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...d-vs-pakistan-2nd-t20i-1426831/full-scorecard MoM performance chasing 190+

I hope you will now answer and also answer about AB de villier strike rate. I am ready.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
What is AB De Villier Strike Rate in T20I? Will you answer without excuses?

To answer, Rizwan when target was more than 180:

1. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...a-vs-pakistan-1st-t20i-1251575/full-scorecard against SA in SA, MOM performance
2. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...d-vs-pakistan-3rd-t20i-1426832/full-scorecard outside Asia in rainy Dublin conditions
3. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...a-vs-pakistan-3rd-t20i-1251577/full-scorecard destroyed SA in SA with Babar once again 200+
4. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...s-west-indies-3rd-t20i-1287775/full-scorecard 200+ chase again MOM performance
5. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...n-8th-match-super-four-1327276/full-scorecard against arch rivals India top scoring match winning knock
6. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...an-vs-england-2nd-t20i-1327229/full-scorecard 200+ chase vs then T20 champions England with 10 wicket humiliation once again by most successful T20I pair of Babar and Rizwan
7. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...d-vs-pakistan-2nd-t20i-1426831/full-scorecard MoM performance chasing 190+

I hope you will now answer and also answer about AB de villier strike rate. I am ready.
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give me junior dalas give me magalas
 
jamie smith said:
give me junior dalas give me magalas
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Don't obfuscate, answer why AB De Villier's T20I SR is low and why his average is so terrible, it's not like he hasn't played in the last 5 years. Not one single stats based argument I have seen so far. I am waiting for Dr Bassim. I am ready.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Numbers show that he is arguably the best T20I batsman of all time.
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Numbers shows that Rizwan and Babar should have retired from T20.

An opener batting at 120 SR in T20? That's simply makes sure that team will lose more often. Yes, longer you bat worse you are for your team with SR of 120. Imagine some one playing all 120 balls, you will get 140 runs. High average with low SR is double deadly, not for opposition but for Pakistan.

Every country had better openers including Ireland.

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Buffet said:
Numbers shows that Rizwan and Babar should have retired from T20.

An opener batting at 120 SR in T20? That's simply makes sure that team will lose more often. Yes, longer you bat worse you are for your team with SR of 120. Imagine some one playing all 120 balls, you will get 140 runs. High average with low SR is double deadly, not for opposition but for Pakistan.

Every country had better openers including Ireland.

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What is the SR of AB De Villiers? I am ready.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
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SR of AB is low and he does not get rated as the best in T20 international games by anyone.



You were making a case for Rizwan to be the best in T20 history. There is a good case of both being one of the worst openers in entire history to play at that level.

Stick to comparing openers with openers in the same era. Babar and Rizwan were extremely deadly for Paksitan due to high average and low SR.
 
Buffet said:
SR of AB is low and he does not get rated as the best in T20 international games by anyone.



You were making a case for Rizwan to be the best in T20 history. There is a good case of both being one of the worst openers in entire history to play at that level.

Stick to comparing openers with openers in the same era. Babar and Rizwan were extremely deadly for Paksitan due to high average and low SR.
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What do you say about Ben Stokes? Babar has better SR than Ben Stokes and Dhoni. Don't play numbers games with me, I am ready. Everybody rates ABD despite him being a choker in T20I and not doing anything in big games.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
What do you say about Ben Stokes? Babar has better SR than Ben Stokes and Dhoni. Don't play numbers games with me, I am ready. Everybody rates ABD despite him being a choker in T20I and not doing anything in big games.
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Who rates Stokes, Dhoni as best in entire history of T20? No one....

But you are making a case for Rizwan being best in entire history of T20? He is among the worse openers to play so many games.
 
Buffet said:
Who rates Stokes, Dhoni as best in entire history of T20? No one....

But you are making a case for Rizwan being best in entire history of T20? Evidence suggest otherwise.
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Your evidence is nonsense. These 2 are rated highly by people. Rizwan is a keeper - don't forget that. As a batsman he has 30 50s and will easily have the record in 2 or 3 years that no one can match. Has match winning knocks in WC Semi 2022 and against big game rivals India in WC 2021. He has helped Pak chase 200+ 3 times. He is ARGUABLY the best T20I player at the moment. In 2-3 years it will be beyond doubt. I am ready.
 
Buffet said:
Thread is : A stats based T20I comparision

But you don't want numbers?

Number shows that Babar/Rizwan has been among the worst openers in the last 5 years.
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I gave you numbers already. Head doesn't even average in the same ballpark to compare. What is Kohli SR? You got owned.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
These 2 are rated highly by people. Rizwan is a keeper - don't forget that.
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In T20? Nah, no one rates Stokes and Dhoni very high in T20 cricket. I don't see anyone claiming in this thread that Stokes, Dhoni etc were best in T20 in entire history, but I see you claiming that Rizwan is the best in T20 history.

Rizwan bats as an opener and he often plays 50-60 balls out of 120 balls in T20. Rizwan will be judged where he stands out as opener in T20. He stands out for sure, but in negative way.
 
Buffet said:
In T20? Nah, no one rates Stokes and Dhoni very high in T20 cricket. I don't see anyone claiming in this thread that Stokes, Dhoni etc were best in T20 in entire history, but I see you claiming that Rizwan is the best in T20 history.

Rizwan bats as an opener and he often plays 50-60 balls out of 120 balls in T20. Rizwan will be judged where he stands out as opener in T20. He stands out for sure, but in negative way.
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He is a better T20 opener than Head. Head averages 15 points less than Rizwan and has never even helped his team reach SF of T20 WC whereas Rizwan has match winning knock in T20 WC SF. I am ready don't try your games with me.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Head doesn't even average in the same ballpark to compare.
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Who in the right mind would want a player to average very high with SR of 120? May be opposition?

It's T20, not test cricket. You have 120 balls. Avg high with very low SR is extremely bad for an opener. Openers have easiest time to bat.
 
Buffet said:
Who in the right mind would want a player to average very high with SR of 120? May be opposition?

It's T20, not test cricket. You have 120 balls. Avg high with very low SR is extremely bad for an opener. Openers have easiest time to bat.
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Show me Head's match winning performance in T20 WC knockout SF and F. I will be waiting.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Show me Head's match winning performance in T20 WC knockout SF and F. I will be waiting.
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You can start a thread about Match winning performacne in T20 WC SF and F. That's a different discussion.

Only 5 players have scored more than 175 runs in SF/F in entire history. I am not sure what conclusion you can draw from that thread.

See how few runs have been scored in SF/F so far,

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But we have a very a large sample size to see that Babar and Rizwan has been among the worst opners to play so many games.
 
My only interest in this thread is "What is the alternate id of OP" :) I think he is doing a light-weight trolling
 
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