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A stats based T20I comparision: Mohammad Rizwan vs Rohit Sharma vs others

Thread title must be stats based on 21 ind and 22 sf knocks alone. Ironically he is not the primary reason for those wins, that's different matter though
 
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RizwanT20Champ said:
What is AB De Villier Strike Rate in T20I? Will you answer without excuses?

To answer, Rizwan when target was more than 180:

1. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...a-vs-pakistan-1st-t20i-1251575/full-scorecard against SA in SA, MOM performance
2. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...d-vs-pakistan-3rd-t20i-1426832/full-scorecard outside Asia in rainy Dublin conditions
3. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...a-vs-pakistan-3rd-t20i-1251577/full-scorecard destroyed SA in SA with Babar once again 200+
4. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...s-west-indies-3rd-t20i-1287775/full-scorecard 200+ chase again MOM performance
5. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...n-8th-match-super-four-1327276/full-scorecard against arch rivals India top scoring match winning knock
6. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...an-vs-england-2nd-t20i-1327229/full-scorecard 200+ chase vs then T20 champions England with 10 wicket humiliation once again by most successful T20I pair of Babar and Rizwan
7. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...d-vs-pakistan-2nd-t20i-1426831/full-scorecard MoM performance chasing 190+

I hope you will now answer and also answer about AB de villier strike rate. I am ready.
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I agree Rizwan seems a monster when facing 3rd class bowlers or C teams of world class sides.

If thats what you are arguing, I wont disagree.

Regarding AB De Villiers, it seems like you skim through my posts without a proper understanding.

AB de Villiers was a freak.

He could hit 100 off 32 balls in limited overs and bat for 250 balls to stonewall the opposition to dust.

Most of his innings had IMPACT even if SR was not what you wanted.

If you cant strike high, play an impactful innings like what Rassie Van Dussen did today.

But AB is always criticized for not delivering upto his potential.

Here you are arguing Rizwan is best in the World in T20.

AB was NEVER best in the world at T20 at any point.

I realize you might wake up tomorrow morning when Rizwan ignites the ground in a dead rubber match vs South Africa 3rd string attack but that is probably his true potential.

I will wait.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Rizwan in T20I:

Pressure player - WC 2024 Semi and WC 2021 biggest thrashing of India
Overall GOAT T20I record
Most successful opening T20I batsman and partnership with Babar
Destructive player in SA vs SA and versatile as shown by anchoring and exploding ability
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Then what happened to him in 2nd T20I .Scored 11(13) in batting friendly pitch
 
Ek tha test ko T20 bana deta tha-sehwag
Ek tha ODI ko T20 bana deta tha-AB develiers
Ek tha T20 ko test bana deta tha- Sir Rizwan
 
There is literally no comparison. This is just a trolling stuff to compare riz with rohit. Miles and miles of difference between them. Rohit is a class apart even though he is washed up.
 
BouncerGuy said:
There is literally no comparison. This is just a trolling stuff to compare riz with rohit. Miles and miles of difference between them. Rohit is a class apart even though he is washed up.
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Even a dead Rohit can wake up from his sleep and change the match in 6 overs of a T20, which Rizwan can't even do in 20 overs.

He can still win you games in 1st 6.

Rizwan never could, never did and never will.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
I agree Rizwan seems a monster when facing 3rd class bowlers or C teams of world class sides.

If thats what you are arguing, I wont disagree.

Regarding AB De Villiers, it seems like you skim through my posts without a proper understanding.

AB de Villiers was a freak.

He could hit 100 off 32 balls in limited overs and bat for 250 balls to stonewall the opposition to dust.

Most of his innings had IMPACT even if SR was not what you wanted.

If you cant strike high, play an impactful innings like what Rassie Van Dussen did today.

But AB is always criticized for not delivering upto his potential.

Here you are arguing Rizwan is best in the World in T20.

AB was NEVER best in the world at T20 at any point.

I realize you might wake up tomorrow morning when Rizwan ignites the ground in a dead rubber match vs South Africa 3rd string attack but that is probably his true potential.

I will wait.
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What about the India Asia Cup match? Pakistan were chasing 180+ and Rizwan as usual won the game and top scored. You asked for one game against top sides, unless you say India is not a top side and big match? Don't back out now.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
What about the India Asia Cup match? Pakistan were chasing 180+ and Rizwan as usual won the game and top scored. You asked for one game against top sides, unless you say India is not a top side and big match? Don't back out now.
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Rizwan was the highest scorer not the impactful batsmen.it was the legend nawaz and another legend asif ali were the impact players.at the end dropped catches helped pak otherwise nothing to write about rizwan.Any how bowlers wre not the first choice.no bumrah, Kuldeep, shami ,siraj. As usual rizwan scored impactless runs against a c bowling attack
 
Vikram1989 said:
Rizwan was the highest scorer not the impactful batsmen.it was the legend nawaz and another legend asif ali were the impact players.at the end dropped catches helped pak otherwise nothing to write about rizwan.Any how bowlers wre not the first choice.no bumrah, Kuldeep, shami ,siraj. As usual rizwan scored impactless runs against a c bowling attack
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Since when do Shami Siraj play t20I? What day dreaming is this? It was indias first choice side and Rizwan stood up and delivered as he has done many times. Might as well say Pakistan didn't play Akhtar, Aamer, Asif, Gulf and.Afridi
 
Fortunately, Rohit Sharma and Head weren't born in Pakistan, as our prolific openers in T20Is would have likely taken their spots
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Even a dead Rohit can wake up from his sleep and change the match in 6 overs of a T20, which Rizwan can't even do in 20 overs.

He can still win you games in 1st 6.

Rizwan never could, never did and never will.
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Yes we saw what he did in WC 2021 game vs Pakistan and in WC 2022,2024 game vs Pakistan
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Since when do Shami Siraj play t20I? What day dreaming is this? It was indias first choice side and Rizwan stood up and delivered as he has done many times. Might as well say Pakistan didn't play Akhtar, Aamer, Asif, Gulf and.Afridi
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FYI siraj scored 7 runs in this t20 wc fixture against pak and india won by 6 runs. Yesterday rizwan got out quickly and pak scored 200 .perfect coincidence.
 
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RizwanT20Champ said:
What about the India Asia Cup match? Pakistan were chasing 180+ and Rizwan as usual won the game and top scored. You asked for one game against top sides, unless you say India is not a top side and big match? Don't back out now.
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I won't back out.

Let's assume you are correct and he indeed performed in 2 big matches in 4 years.

I want clear answers.
 
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RizwanT20Champ said:
What about the India Asia Cup match? Pakistan were chasing 180+ and Rizwan as usual won the game and top scored. You asked for one game against top sides, unless you say India is not a top side and big match? Don't back out now.
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That was a decent know by both him and Nawaz. Probs his best t20 performance after the moqa moqa stick.

Look I've made my point very very clear.

Rizwan when he came onto the scene or for better terminology, hit his stride in 2021-early 2022 then he was a decent esc opener. He wasn't revolutionary but he was good enough.

Problem is once wc 2022 came along, and that one year purple patch ended he became an abomination in t20.

Operating at a strike rate of 90 on an e tire icc event, constantly hitting scores of 16 of 26, 11 of 13 or taking nearly 10.2 overs to score 70 runs leaving the rest of the opposition to chase 114 runs in 60 balls, or scoring 55 of 49 and leaving the team to chase 60 of 24 is grounds for termination.

You can string along these what aboutism or stats all you want, kudos to you however any true genuine cricketing fan would be disgusted by such performances.

Any tom dick and Harry can score a 50 if they play like rizzu and misbah lol. That's not hard to do unless a really really good quality bowler is bowling againat you.

As for Bumrah, people don't realise that Bumrah became lethal on his return. Before his injury he was only viewed as a test specialist. In odi and t20 he was viewed as an okay bowler with a funny action.

After his injury he managed to equally replicate his test form into whiteball.

Bumrah vs Rizwan in 2024 settled their debate.

Bumrah’s rival is Travis Head. Rizwan is a footnote in comparison to these 2.

Rn at present Bumrah and Travis head are the respective kings of cricket. With Brooks being in contention for tests.
 
Rizwan and Babar’s T20 strike rate is a abomination towards the game. Any clown using it to suggest they are better T20 players who don’t even bat in the powerplay is a fool.

The sad thing is, those two jokers and their idiotic fanbase also believe their strike rates merit a spot in T20
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
WC NZ 2019
WC India 2021
Asia Cup India 2022
WC SEMI NZ 2024
Karachi Test vs Australia
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Half these matches don't even exist 🤣🤣🤣.

Rizwan didn't even play WC 2019 game. Haris sohail was the main aggressor.

And WC SEMI vs NZ? Nz and pakistan didn't even meet in the world cup 🤣🤣.

And karachi test vs Aus? Which karachi test? Their have been dozens
 
mominsaigol said:
Half these matches don't even exist 🤣🤣🤣.

Rizwan didn't even play WC 2019 game. Haris sohail was the main aggressor.

And WC SEMI vs NZ? Nz and pakistan didn't even meet in the world cup 🤣🤣.

And karachi test vs Aus? Which karachi test? Their have been dozens
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Everyone knows which Karachi match. Of course the 2022 WC Semi. It was meant to be an either/or/both list as was quite obvious.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Stats:

Rizwan 3403 runs @ 47.92 with 1 100 and 30 50s
Head 1093 runs @ 33.12 with 0 100s and 5 50s
Rohit 4231 runs @ 32.05 with 5 100s and 32 50s

Why is it that Head and Rohit never get criticised but Rizwan does? Numbers show that Rizwan, despite additional burden of captaincy and keeping, has far superior numbers to both Head and Sharma. The criticism against Rizwan seems to be unjustified and false. Can someone come up with a numbers based, no emotion, argument about why Rohit or Head are better than Rizwan?
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Kar lo ji comparison. Rizwan is one of the worst batters to represent Pakistan. Cannot play on offside, just has 2 shots and is one of the worst captain now.
 
Rana said:
@mominsaigol @topspin @shaz619

Peshawar Ramadhan Cup Learn Smackdown!!!
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‘Shaz619 reportedly broke the nationwide T20 record last Sunday, smashing numerous 4’s and 6’s on his way to 502*, the marathon effort, shades of Lara at Edgbaston, occurred in his back garden against his 4 year old niece and crippled Uncle who was brave enough to keep wicket on his wheelchair.

This was a special occasion in the holy month of Ramadan, for common people it was their 5th fast, but Shaz619 had been fasting for the past 60 days, depleted off the necessary electrolytes to function, it was a rigorous test for his mind, body and spirit.

On the eve of England’s CT exit, let this be a stark reminder, that you cannot continue to overlook this spiritually enhanced batter.

Not on the record, but Shaz619 informed me privately that he will be hosting numerous Ramadan matches throughout the year, he will also continue his fasting streak until he is selected by England.

We also contacted his local community leader and head of the committee off spirituality Mr. BallSaq on whether Shaz619 can make it; ‘Qudrat Ka Shaz619, keeps all his fasts, is always present for Tarawi - not just the 8 rakats, he bring me Chicken & Chips for Ifthar from Papa Jabar’s Kebab house, and all Molvi happy, it’s sin, dirty ghanda sin keeping this man out of the England side and we all demand the justice you know inshaAllah.’

Spread the word. Shaz619’s time is now.’
 
Rohit had significant contributions in his debut T20 WC in 07 where he literally debuted. A 50 in a must win match against SA and finishing in the final vs Pak helped Ind win the 07 T20 WC. In his last WC helped India with blazing starts and was good vs Aus and in the semi vs Eng and helped India win the 24 WC.

Rizwan bhai's contributions are in some group stage matches where he choked in the KOs and kicked Pak out. He doesn't have a T20 AC.
 
Rana said:
The enemies of Pakistan want to play Head over Rizwan
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@Rana brother kaun hai ye log kaha se ate hai ye 😂They don’t have brain or intentionally do it i donu get it if they can’t get gulf of difference between rohit ,head and rizwan then they don’t understand cricket and pls better leave cricket and focus somewhere else
 
saimayubera said:
and those guys made the final lol.

siraj, shami, arshdeep. harshit >>> any current pak pacer
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Sayon Basak, I have owned you time and time again, both here and with your hero PrincEWS. Pak are in a bad phase right now it happens and trolls like you are understandably jumping. We still crush the record HTH don't forget that.
 
A random Stat
OdIs

Muhammad Rizwan, Avg 42, SR 86

Brain Lara, Avg 40, SR 79.

Different eras different type of players no comparison and no connection.

Lara was pure Gold ! The classy strokes and use of wrists and bashing of spinners , sensational.

Rizwan is a wicket keeper first and then a batsman.

Again no comparison , writing Lara and Rizwan in same sentence is an insult to the former.
 
Kianig89 said:
A random Stat
OdIs

Muhammad Rizwan, Avg 42, SR 86

Brain Lara, Avg 40, SR 79.

Different eras different type of players no comparison and no connection.

Lara was pure Gold ! The classy strokes and use of wrists and bashing of spinners , sensational.

Rizwan is a wicket keeper first and then a batsman.

Again no comparison , writing Lara and Rizwan in same sentence is an insult to the former.
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@Rana
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Sayon Basak, I have owned you time and time again,
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Didn't you run away with tail between legs after Kohli beat Pakistan for the nth time? Weren't you the one predicting how India can't play your local club level pace bowling attack?

You were not seen here for a week and then came back once the criticism subdued. You are the one who got owned :yk
 
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