Absence of players from Sindh in the Pakistan side....

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today, the Pakistani team has been announced, but it is very sad to see that not a single player from Sindh has been included in the team. Similarly, Sindh players hv been ignored in the past as well. Now the ppl of Sindh will not remain silent on such victimisation. <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a> <a href="https://t.co/PZKcZBsjGe">pic.twitter.com/PZKcZBsjGe</a></p>— Syed Nasir Hussain Shah (@SyedNasirHShah) <a href="https://twitter.com/SyedNasirHShah/status/1318263145039908869?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[MenInG]

Putting aside the political argument above, is Sindh not producing that many quality players.

BTW - Hasnain is from Hyderabad so above tweet isnt totally true.

But the overall trend is worth discussing.

 

[Khan12]

Because the Sindh are garbage. Though Husnain is from Sindh I guess he meant Karachi. The Karachi players recently have been garbage and getting a free ride evident from racist Sarfraz and garbage Shafiq.

Saud should have made his debut for Pakistan but these same pathetic people don't even give him opportunities and he moved to PTV due to a lack of opportunities even last year he was dropped after a game or 2 and bought back for the last game.

You will see a lot of players from Sindh coming through when they stop playing with friends 11.

 

[GudduBadmash]

Rohail Nazir is a pointless selection along with Abid Ali.

Neither of these two did anything of merit in the recently concluded National T20.

Danish Aziz can find himself very unlucky to not be selected but he still has a chance to make the team if he shows a stellar performance for the national team and if KK play him when the PSL resumes.

You may all say Khurram is a FTB but he scored 408 runs this tournament so quite an unfair omission in my opinion. At the end of the day performance should be rewarded, another guy who can feel very unlucky is Sohaib Maqsood who scored 393 runs at a crazy strike rate. This could have been his revival tour and lets be honest he is a brutal striker of the ball. If he had his head on straight he could be such a big asset.

 

[mon858]

not a valid argument at all. i am originally from Karachi.

a) he missed Husnain.
b) most of the selections are on merit not based on province/language. for decades karachi and lahore used to dominate national team and domestic and things have changed over the years. KPK has really been the main area and also Pindi/ISL/northern area to an extent that have come a long way producing better players that are making to national team. Sindh used to produce better batsmen generally and some one could argue didn't fair chance at right times (Asim Kamal, Fawad Alam) but in the current squad not much top performers missed.
c) only two players i think that could have perhaps made the squad would have been Danish Aziz and Azam Khan instead of Abid Ali and Iftekhar Ahmed, but its not a big deal if they have to wait a few months or so and play more first class. Azam just came on scene with a string of decent performances against domestic, still has to work on fitness and has been specifically mentioned for that along with Sharjeed that the national setup will work with them both on. Similarly Danish also didn't have a remarkable record/performance before a string of good performances in this national t20, so he can get his chance after continuing to put on good performance in remaining domestic tournament. He may have good potential as replacement for Imad long-term in odi/t20 if he can improve on his bowling/fielding also further. Khurram is TTF at international level and too old for recall.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Which sindh players should be in the squad? Nasirhussainshah sbould have pointed out.

Apart from may be saud shakil for odis i dont see any other making a case. Azam khan hasnt yet performed enough.

 

[Bewal Express]

Karachi has players on the horizon that will make the squad, Azam, Saud and Danish will get a chance soon.

 

[ataullah]

Was thinking of making a thread regarding this. This is the first time in history no karachi player in pak squad. Tbh do Karachi help themselves when they discard players like saud shakeel and hasan mohsin? Noman Ali is a great spinner from Hyderabad. Why is he omitted? If Karachi had selected on merit we wouldn't have seen a karachiless pak squad.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I hope Pakistan doesnt sink to regionalism for national team selection. In India its a huge problem.

 

[Syed1]

I guess Nasir Shah disregarded Muhammad Hasnain who is from Hyderabad, Sindh because he is from Urdu speaking background.



Also if this Sindh government wasn't just looting and plundering they would have invested in the youth and produced cricketers. Karachi still produces some talent not because of Sindh government but despite it.


Furthermore a cricketer from Karachi has to go the extra yard to get in the national side as compared to someone from Lahore. Systemic racism within PCB is pretty evident.

 

[Mesozoic]

Slightly off topic but has there been any ethnic Sindhi cricketer ever that has played int'l cricket for Pakistan?

 

[shah_1]

Danish is Pakistan's best prospect in terms of a finisher. No other younger players fits the bill like him. I think it is too early for him but he needs to do well for Pakistan Shaheens and Sindh List A team so he could be part of the team.

Khushdil or Danish should be groomed for no 6 spot in ODIs

Most of our no 6 and 5 in domestic cricket are tullaybaaz but he isn't

 

[Titan24]

How is Mohammad Hasnian not from Sindh? Born in Hyderabad, plays for Sindh.

 

[Syed1]

Danish is Pakistan's best prospect in terms of a finisher. No other younger players fits the bill like him. I think it is too early for him but he needs to do well for Pakistan Shaheens and Sindh List A team so he could be part of the team.

Khushdil or Danish should be groomed for no 6 spot in ODIs

Most of our no 6 and 5 in domestic cricket are tullaybaaz but he isn't

Has unimpressive numbers except T20

 

[Syed1]

How is Mohammad Hasnian not from Sindh? Born in Hyderabad, plays for Sindh.

He is not an ethnic Sindhi that's probably what Nasir Shah meant. He is from Urdu speaking background.

 

[MenInG]

He is not an ethnic Sindhi that's probably what Nasir Shah meant. He is from Urdu speaking background.

Any examples of good ones?

Think Zahid from Dadu is the only one at the moment who could merit a place.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Putting aside the political argument above, is Sindh not producing that many quality players.

BTW - Hasnain is from Hyderabad so above tweet isnt totally true.

But the overall trend is worth discussing.

And what of Asad Shafiq he has been ruining the Test side since the last 77 tests. That example alone is enough to destroy this fake conspiracy theory.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Let’s cut the fluff. No player should be selected off the back of 2 performances after horrible previous stats.

The selections were merit-based - the truth is Karachi’s infrastructure to develop players has completely eroded. You rebuild the infrastructure, you start producing players again.

PCB should definitely look into this. But not because of merit - they need to look into infrastructure, academies, batting camps, batting coaches, and Basit Ali. (Not that it is Basit Ali’s fault directly - he seems a good head coach, just not a technical batting coach - so specialization is needed).

 

[trickyone]

Zahid Mehmood from Dadu, Sindh should have selected instead of Usman Qadir (He is playing due to favoritism)

 

[Titan24]

He is not an ethnic Sindhi that's probably what Nasir Shah meant. He is from Urdu speaking background.

He should have worded it better I think.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Zahid Mehmood from Dadu, Sindh should have selected instead of Usman Qadir (He is playing due to favoritism)

Zahid Mahmood is 32. His selection would have caused criticism that Misbah only selects oldies.

Further, he does not have consistent performances over Zafar Gohar, and Usman Qadir as a backup option can be argued is younger and has more potential in T20 cricket.

I liked Zahid Mahmood, he was in my team of the tournament and I called for his selection. Then I look up his age and stats.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Players from Karachi just aren't good enough.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Rohail, Iftikhar and Faheem don't merit a selection. But I am glad Asif Ali was not selected.

 

[aloo paratha]

Maybe because Sindh is not producing good players? Which player from Sindh deserved to be in the squad, but was left out? Even the one player from Sindh (Hasnain) probably wouldn't have made the squad if Akif Javed wasn't injured. There is no quota for Sindh players. It's team Pakistan not Sindh, so the best from Pakistan will play even if all 11 of them are from KPK or Punjab.

 

[Titan24]

Also if he meant ethnic Sindhi then how many were there even in the Sindh squad?

 

[saeed5646]

Recently sindh has produced some of the greatest ttf and domestic bulley(Just look at asad shafiq man .This guy is pathetic player yet he is given countless chances ) None of them are any good for international cricket. Using victim card is pointless and doesn't make any sense .

Azam khan and danish aziz are some what good for Pakistan A but one has serious fitness issue while other has just one good tournament with poor numbers in list A and first class

 

[Snowflake]

Would be helpful if this person could name some names of deserving Sindhi players who did not get selected. Otherwise, it's a pretty garbage post.

 

[sindhiboy]

Slightly off topic but has there been any ethnic Sindhi cricketer ever that has played int'l cricket for Pakistan?

I don't think so. Rural sindhi has no facilities. Sindhis have to migrate to Karachi or Hyderabad. And there, they have to compete with them. Karachi cricketers themselves don't get picked
The chance of sindhi playing for pakistan is 2 %

 

[shah_1]

Has unimpressive numbers except T20

His last List A and first class match were 2 years ago. Maybe he has improved lol

 

[sindhiboy]

There is somewhat of a ground in sukkhur. But that's it. If any cricketer was to come from our ethnicity, he would have to be an incredible talent. And exceed the talent of Karachi cricketers

 

[Caved12]

Close to 40 cities in Sindh and Karachi was the only city until 2000 where you would find decent grounds and facilities, which were properly maintained for hard ball cricket. 80% of these cities are heavily populated by Sindhi folks and they don't have much interest in playing cricket at a competitive level. This is the reason why you have never seen a sindhi speaking player in Pakistan cricket team. Only Karachi has decent players. I know things are changing now, but Sindh can't compete with other provinces.

But we love to play the blame game

 

[Artaxerxes]

The absence of players from interior Sindh could be due to lack of facilities.Does anyone know how many cricket stadiums are in Sindh?.I know there are stadiums in Karachi and Hyderabad but I am not aware of stadiums in other cities.

 

[Caved12]

I don't think so. Rural sindhi has no facilities. Sindhis have to migrate to Karachi or Hyderabad. And there, they have to compete with them. Karachi cricketers themselves don't get picked
The chance of sindhi playing for pakistan is 2 %

Funds were always approved by government to work on existing facilities and also for new grounds to be built, but corrupt officials never allowed this to happen.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Rohail, Iftikhar and Faheem don't merit a selection. But I am glad Asif Ali was not selected.

Rohail Nazir is the only backup wicket keeper in the country who is young.

Iftikhar Ahmed is statistically the best finisher in the country over multiple tournaments, aside from maybe Khushdil. He gets hate for his age and/or looks, but he performs at the number 6 position when he has to.

Faheem Ashraf’s contention for the team is at best with Aamer Yamin, not with any Sindhi.

Next question?

 

[El Generico]

The squad seems ok, the only glaring issue is Usman Qadir. What has he done to get selected? However I don’t think that is because of regional bias, seems more like a case of connections.

 

[Caved12]

There is somewhat of a ground in sukkhur. But that's it. If any cricketer was to come from our ethnicity, he would have to be an incredible talent. And exceed the talent of Karachi cricketers

I know Larkana, Dadu, Tando Jam, and Sukkhur always received funds to prepare new cricket fields and official records would always show that work was completed, but nothing was done.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Because the Sindh are garbage. Though Husnain is from Sindh I guess he meant Karachi. The Karachi players recently have been garbage and getting a free ride evident from racist Sarfraz and garbage Shafiq.

Saud should have made his debut for Pakistan but these same pathetic people don't even give him opportunities and he moved to PTV due to a lack of opportunities even last year he was dropped after a game or 2 and bought back for the last game.

You will see a lot of players from Sindh coming through when they stop playing with friends 11.

I have to agree.

From all Sindhis currently playing cricket, Saud Shakeel had the highest chance of being selected for the national team.

Sindh selectors themselves didn’t play him in the Sindh team!

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Don’t see a player from Sindh worthy enough to represent Pakistan. Sindh team is now based only on sifarish culture and that’s just not going to produce any decent players.

 

[Syed1]

I see that our countrymen are a little ignorant of the ground realities.



Sindh is essentially two provinces in one. Karachi + Hyderabad and then rest of Sindh. Most posters naming Karachi cricketers of Urdu speaking background and saying see you have 'Sindhi' cricketers, but in reality they aren't Sindhi. That smacks of ignorance of one's own country.

K+H have infrastructure and academies for player development, and therefore you still see cricketers from there. The players emerging from these places are almost always Urdu speaking since the vast majority of people in these cities are Urdu speakers. You do get some ethnic Pathans like Anwar Ali, Sohail Khan, Shahid Afridi and Younis Khan emerging from Karachi since Pathans are also a big percentage of the population here. Seems posters don't know that ethnic Sindhi are even less than 10% of the population of Karachi as per latest census.


Now we come to the part at which Nasir Shah is hinting at is that the lack of ethnic Sindhis in the team. For that to happen we would need players to emerge from Dadu, Sukkur, Larkhana etc. These places have no facilities and no infrastructure and suffer from the poor governance of which Nasir Shah is a part off.

 

[ethan hunt]

Karachi is just not producing enough quality cricketers for a city of it's magnitude .There is something seriously wrong with the local cricketing scene and introspection is needed . Lahore has managed to produce Babar Azam, the kind of polished batting product you would expect from Karachi in the past.
KPK is the new talent hub in Pakistan, and a high performance center in that region would do wonders.

The regionalism nonsense and victim mentally needs to stop , we are already suffering the curse of Asad Shafiq , if a player is good enough he will find his way into the side.

 

[shamaan]

Because the Sindh are garbage. Though Husnain is from Sindh I guess he meant Karachi. The Karachi players recently have been garbage and getting a free ride evident from racist Sarfraz and garbage Shafiq.

Saud should have made his debut for Pakistan but these same pathetic people don't even give him opportunities and he moved to PTV due to a lack of opportunities even last year he was dropped after a game or 2 and bought back for the last game.

You will see a lot of players from Sindh coming through when they stop playing with friends 11.

The sindh team gave limited opportunities to saud shakeel I blame their management if they cant give chances to thier youngesters how can u expect the Pakistan team to

 

[shamaan]

Rohail Nazir is a pointless selection along with Abid Ali.

Neither of these two did anything of merit in the recently concluded National T20.

Danish Aziz can find himself very unlucky to not be selected but he still has a chance to make the team if he shows a stellar performance for the national team and if KK play him when the PSL resumes.

You may all say Khurram is a FTB but he scored 408 runs this tournament so quite an unfair omission in my opinion. At the end of the day performance should be rewarded, another guy who can feel very unlucky is Sohaib Maqsood who scored 393 runs at a crazy strike rate. This could have been his revival tour and lets be honest he is a brutal striker of the ball. If he had his head on straight he could be such a big asset.

I think zeeshan Ashraf deserved it as he had a very good national cup compared to rohail but he is younger that's proberly why he was given the go.abid ali is a ridiculous decision he didnt do anything in the national cup not even 1 performance.

As for danish aziz I actually thought he would have been picked but now he has to perform in psl or he may be given a chance in the shaheens against New Zealand.

Both khurram and maqsood shouldn't be in the squad but becouse abid ali got a chance even thou hes 30+ the other 2 are same age but actually had performances

 

[shamaan]

Danish is Pakistan's best prospect in terms of a finisher. No other younger players fits the bill like him. I think it is too early for him but he needs to do well for Pakistan Shaheens and Sindh List A team so he could be part of the team.

Khushdil or Danish should be groomed for no 6 spot in ODIs

Most of our no 6 and 5 in domestic cricket are tullaybaaz but he isn't

What about azam khan ?

 

[Saj]

I'm trying to think of any deserving players really and am struggling.

Once a proud source of great cricketers, the region is struggling to produce much talent.

Even Asad Shafiq should be dropped from the Test squad and of course Sarfaraz Ahmed is now going downhill.

 

[shamaan]

Let’s cut the fluff. No player should be selected off the back of 2 performances after horrible previous stats.

The selections were merit-based - the truth is Karachi’s infrastructure to develop players has completely eroded. You rebuild the infrastructure, you start producing players again.

PCB should definitely look into this. But not because of merit - they need to look into infrastructure, academies, batting camps, batting coaches, and Basit Ali. (Not that it is Basit Ali’s fault directly - he seems a good head coach, just not a technical batting coach - so specialization is needed).

The selection was alot better for this series than the last for example malik and ifti got dropped to give more chances to khushdil and Haider also husnain,musa should get game time to see were they are at and amir was dropped which was good decision.

Some of the selection like abid ali how does he warrant a place when he could hardly get the ball out of the square in the national cup also thier was better performances in the national cup this wasnt merit based.also rohail hes a very good player but he hasnt done much in the national cup zeeshan Ashraf performed quite well but yet couldn't find a space in the team.

 

[shamaan]

The squad seems ok, the only glaring issue is Usman Qadir. What has he done to get selected? However I don’t think that is because of regional bias, seems more like a case of connections.

Usman qadir has been good in the national cup baring 1 game he was spinning the ball and has alot of varieties

 

[Rayyman]

Saud Shakeel: First-class average of 46, List A average of 47.

 

[shamaan]

Saud Shakeel: First-class average of 46, List A average of 47.

Great numbers some of the shots he played in the national cup were breath taking unfortunately couldn't get a big score to cement his place

 

[DandyFellow]

Whoever is controlling the selection of the Sindh team is the biggest one to blame. They played Khurram Manzoor throughout the tournament although everyone knows it is the end of his domestic career. Asad Shafiq of all the people played games too. Sarfraz's game is going downhill day by day. Much worse, they did not provide ample opportunities to Saud Shakeel as well as Danish Aziz. Yes even Danish Aziz at No. 7 was such a bad decision. If Danish had been promoted and had be performed in those games too including semi final it would have made things easy for him too. But Sindh has been ruining it for quite a while. The only youngster who has got preferential treatment has been Azam Khan and we all know why. No matter even if Azam is good enough to be selected in the future but the kind of opportunity he has got since few years only based on potential but not performances had some other talents like Saud had gotten too they would have done much better than him. The issue of Sindh is the politics in the regional management. The team has been performing poor too and selection in the QEA trophy would be looked closely too.

 

[ExplicitAI]

People love to see players come from their respective provinces from which they're originally from, unfortunately Sindh hasn't produced many good upcoming cricketers that I can think of, large majority of talent is within Punjab and a few good players in KPK. Hopefully we'll see some players come from Sindh.

 

[shamaan]

Whoever is controlling the selection of the Sindh team is the biggest one to blame. They played Khurram Manzoor throughout the tournament although everyone knows it is the end of his domestic career. Asad Shafiq of all the people played games too. Sarfraz's game is going downhill day by day. Much worse, they did not provide ample opportunities to Saud Shakeel as well as Danish Aziz. Yes even Danish Aziz at No. 7 was such a bad decision. If Danish had been promoted and had be performed in those games too including semi final it would have made things easy for him too. But Sindh has been ruining it for quite a while. The only youngster who has got preferential treatment has been Azam Khan and we all know why. No matter even if Azam is good enough to be selected in the future but the kind of opportunity he has got since few years only based on potential but not performances had some other talents like Saud had gotten too they would have done much better than him. The issue of Sindh is the politics in the regional management. The team has been performing poor too and selection in the QEA trophy would be looked closely too.

What about hassan moshin he played for sindh in the second xI and performed quite well but yet wasnt given a chance in the first xi

 

[MMHS]

PAK cricket is dominated by Punjabis, and there had always been regional/communal fraction between two major bases of PAK cricket.

But, the state of Sindh (I think, it was meant to be greater Karachi - a mega city with population of almost entire Canada) is beyond pathetic and probably the PAK team is a true reflection of what it is going on in Karachi cricket. Even some of the recent players Afridi, YK, Sohail Khan ..... are not original Karachiet. This is when the state of PAK cricket probably at its lowest point and lack of quality players for first XI is becoming a major issue, let alone squad depth - Karachi is failing to produce even those back-ups.

Why it is in such shambolic state can easily be explained - the mafia of grouping & nepotism. There are few blessed child in Karachi cricket led by a famous guy recently finding himself ousted from PAK team has made it a monopoly of few individuals - I don’t want to name. Young Karachi players like Saud, Saad Ali, Danish .... doesn’t get bell in their own domestic team - how one can expect National selectors to back them? Karachi was the batting powerhouse of PAK cricket and the spinners breeding ground, particularly finger spinners - now the poster boy for Karachi batting is Asad Shafique .... and finger spinner is probably Tauseef’s son.

I don’t see some famous names of that fan base these days in PP (at least those user names are missing) with Sarfraz’s stake sinking by every day, but those posters were actual reflection of what is going on in Karachi cricket - you keep backing your own people, regardless of ....

Previously, corporates had the biggest stake in PAK cricket, particularly banks and Karachi being financial HQ, most of these banks were Karachi based - I believe at least 6-7 FC teams had their base in Karachi- HBL, NBL, UCBL, MCBL, PIA, Port Qasim, ZTBL ..... with the regional model implemented, now corporates won’t be the flag bearer for Karachi cricket - unless their local cricket leadership sorts their act, gradually Greater Karachi will fall behind even smaller towns like Faisalabad, Multan, Sialkot, .... even Quetta. Already they are way behind Lahore, Cindi-Islamabad, Peshawar... arguably Faisalabad as well.

 

[JibranAnsari]

I see that our countrymen are a little ignorant of the ground realities.



Sindh is essentially two provinces in one. Karachi + Hyderabad and then rest of Sindh. Most posters naming Karachi cricketers of Urdu speaking background and saying see you have 'Sindhi' cricketers, but in reality they aren't Sindhi. That smacks of ignorance of one's own country.

K+H have infrastructure and academies for player development, and therefore you still see cricketers from there. The players emerging from these places are almost always Urdu speaking since the vast majority of people in these cities are Urdu speakers. You do get some ethnic Pathans like Anwar Ali, Sohail Khan, Shahid Afridi and Younis Khan emerging from Karachi since Pathans are also a big percentage of the population here. Seems posters don't know that ethnic Sindhi are even less than 10% of the population of Karachi as per latest census.


Now we come to the part at which Nasir Shah is hinting at is that the lack of ethnic Sindhis in the team. For that to happen we would need players to emerge from Dadu, Sukkur, Larkhana etc. These places have no facilities and no infrastructure and suffer from the poor governance of which Nasir Shah is a part off.

When the topic of creating a new province of karachi , sindh doesnt look too happy. The hypocrisy is just a very normal thing in pakistan.

 

[A.A.Z]

I have to agree.

From all Sindhis currently playing cricket, Saud Shakeel had the highest chance of being selected for the national team.

Sindh selectors themselves didn’t play him in the Sindh team!

Saud is not Sindhi. No Sindhi has ever played for Pakistan.

The Sindh team has no Sindhis. Please do not call Karachites Sindhi.

Karachites have nothing to do with Sindh apart from the city being included in the province unfortunately

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Saud is not Sindhi. No Sindhi has ever played for Pakistan.

The Sindh team has no Sindhis. Please do not call Karachites Sindhi.

Karachites have nothing to do with Sindh apart from the city being included in the province unfortunately

As someone with heritage in Karachi, I hope you’ll excuse me for lumping all of Sindh together considering there is only one person, Hasnain, from Sindh in the national squad.

Karachi or not, infrastructure in Sindh does not exist. No point arguing over Sindhi vs Mohajir as the issue is not ethnic, it is regional. That is to say, whether Urdu speaking or not, people from Sindh do not have the pitches, grounds, coaches, academies, and the like regardless of whether they are Pathans based in Sindh or Sindhis based in Sindh or their ancestry is from Lucknow.

These are two separate issues.

1. Sindh selectors themselves refuse to select the most talented players in Sindh. Most of these are Urdu speaking. Thus, these players are not developed properly, and thus do not make it to the national team. Hasan Mohsin, Saud Shakeel, Danish Aziz etc. The solution to this is PCB issuing a directive to Basit Ali to develop and back youngsters.

2. Problem two. Ethnic Sindhis are at a disadvantage not due to selection bias but due to lack of infrastructure in Dadu, Larkana, Sukkhur. They barely play at a high enough level to make it to age group cricket or domestics. The solution to this is 5 to 10 years of proper structural investment by the government into sports facilities. Not the domain of PCB.

 

[A.A.Z]

I see that our countrymen are a little ignorant of the ground realities.



Sindh is essentially two provinces in one. Karachi + Hyderabad and then rest of Sindh. Most posters naming Karachi cricketers of Urdu speaking background and saying see you have 'Sindhi' cricketers, but in reality they aren't Sindhi. That smacks of ignorance of one's own country.

K+H have infrastructure and academies for player development, and therefore you still see cricketers from there. The players emerging from these places are almost always Urdu speaking since the vast majority of people in these cities are Urdu speakers. You do get some ethnic Pathans like Anwar Ali, Sohail Khan, Shahid Afridi and Younis Khan emerging from Karachi since Pathans are also a big percentage of the population here. Seems posters don't know that ethnic Sindhi are even less than 10% of the population of Karachi as per latest census.


Now we come to the part at which Nasir Shah is hinting at is that the lack of ethnic Sindhis in the team. For that to happen we would need players to emerge from Dadu, Sukkur, Larkhana etc. These places have no facilities and no infrastructure and suffer from the poor governance of which Nasir Shah is a part off.

Very well explained.

Majority of the players coming from Karachi have been urdu-speaking but there's a sizeable pathan contingent as well.

Karachi is a city of migrants not Sindhis.

 

[Kaddy]

I just checked this guy's twitter.

He is actually concerned about ethnic Sindhi players.

For that Sindh govt. (PPP) should have build grounds & other infrastructure. They are in power for last many many years.

I have noticed that now a days, most of the younger players are coming from the places like KPK, Rawalpindi/Isl. and Sialkot region.

 

[A.A.Z]

As someone with heritage in Karachi, I hope you’ll excuse me for lumping all of Sindh together considering there is only one person, Hasnain, from Sindh in the national squad.

Karachi or not, infrastructure in Sindh does not exist. No point arguing over Sindhi vs Mohajir as the issue is not ethnic, it is regional. That is to say, whether Urdu speaking or not, people from Sindh do not have the pitches, grounds, coaches, academies, and the like regardless of whether they are Pathans based in Sindh or Sindhis based in Sindh or their ancestry is from Lucknow.

These are two separate issues.

1. Sindh selectors themselves refuse to select the most talented players in Sindh. Most of these are Urdu speaking. Thus, these players are not developed properly, and thus do not make it to the national team. Hasan Mohsin, Saud Shakeel, Danish Aziz etc. The solution to this is PCB issuing a directive to Basit Ali to develop and back youngsters.

2. Problem two. Ethnic Sindhis are at a disadvantage not due to selection bias but due to lack of infrastructure in Dadu, Larkana, Sukkhur. They barely play at a high enough level to make it to age group cricket or domestics. The solution to this is 5 to 10 years of proper structural investment by the government into sports facilities. Not the domain of PCB.

Karachi is held hostage by the provincial govt who won't spend a dime on basic amenities on their own constituents in the interior let alone on sporting infrastructure for a city where they hold no support.

Karachites are at as much of a disadvantage as rural Sindhis when it comes to structural investment by the govt in sports facilities. Any players coming from Karachi aren't coming through the system they're coming in spite of it.

I agree players like Saud, Danish and Mohsin deserve more chances especially when Shafiq is being played ahead of them but hopefully they'll get more chances in the QEA trophy to show their mettle.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Sindh hasn't really been producing quality cricketers. Danish Aziz does seem impressive. But has a long road ahead of him and has plenty of work to do.

 

[MMHS]

Saud is not Sindhi. No Sindhi has ever played for Pakistan.

The Sindh team has no Sindhis. Please do not call Karachites Sindhi.

Karachites have nothing to do with Sindh apart from the city being included in the province unfortunately

Isn’t Sarjeel an ethnic Sindhi? I am not sure - he comes from Hyderabad, PAK and his Urdu is a bit different from what I normally hear.

 

[A.A.Z]

Isn’t Sarjeel an ethnic Sindhi? I am not sure - he comes from Hyderabad, PAK and his Urdu is a bit different from what I normally hear.

From what I know of Sharjeel he's from a Seraiki speaking Pathan family who settled in Hyderabad. Seraiki speaking Pathans are usually found in Multan and it's adjoining regions so his family might have relocated from there.

The Seraiki dialect is quite similar to that of Northern Sindh, which is referred to as pakki sindhi so there might be some similarities there.

Hyderabad is a mostly urdu-speaking populated city, it's demographics are somewhat similar to Karachi in that the local Sindhi population is extremely minimal.

The Sindhi elite was predominately hindu and the vast majority migrated to India or elsewhere leaving behind feudals who are mostly Balochi not even Sindhi apart from 2-3 families.

These feudals were empowered by Bhutto and have done nothing for the poor Sindhi folk apart from loot and plunder in exchange for setting up ghost schools and hospitals so that the next generation of sindhis is as uneducated and subservient to them.

They've just been lucky that Karachi is included in their jurisdiction and they get all of Karachi's budget through the NFC while spending on absolutely nothing but rigging the census to keep the constituencies rural majority.

You never really find Sindhi's representing Pakistan in sports or in the military. For the first time in 73 years since independence 2 Sindhi Brigadier's were appointed to the rank of Maj-General earlier this year so hopefully this trend may start changing but it's wishful thinking.

 

[ElRaja]

The real question is what has happened to sindhi crickters. Pak are lucky that KP has picked up Karachi's slack, otherwise the national team would be terrible.

There was a good discussion in one of the t20 matches where a commentator asked why so many good t20s players are coming form northern team.

the other commentator replied its just to a abundance of playing ground in and around pindi / islamabad. wonder if the lack of playing areas, and problems u hear abt land mafias, are destroying the sport in karachi.

Isn’t Sarjeel an ethnic Sindhi? I am not sure - he comes from Hyderabad, PAK and his Urdu is a bit different from what I normally hear.

not sure but ethnic sindhis are rarely khans

 

[MMHS]

From what I know of Sharjeel he's from a Seraiki speaking Pathan family who settled in Hyderabad. Seraiki speaking Pathans are usually found in Multan and it's adjoining regions so his family might have relocated from there.

The Seraiki dialect is quite similar to that of Northern Sindh, which is referred to as pakki sindhi so there might be some similarities there.

Hyderabad is a mostly urdu-speaking populated city, it's demographics are somewhat similar to Karachi in that the local Sindhi population is extremely minimal.

The Sindhi elite was predominately hindu and the vast majority migrated to India or elsewhere leaving behind feudals who are mostly Balochi not even Sindhi apart from 2-3 families.

These feudals were empowered by Bhutto and have done nothing for the poor Sindhi folk apart from loot and plunder in exchange for setting up ghost schools and hospitals so that the next generation of sindhis is as uneducated and subservient to them.

They've just been lucky that Karachi is included in their jurisdiction and they get all of Karachi's budget through the NFC while spending on absolutely nothing but rigging the census to keep the constituencies rural majority.

You never really find Sindhi's representing Pakistan in sports or in the military. For the first time in 73 years since independence 2 Sindhi Brigadier's were appointed to the rank of Maj-General earlier this year so hopefully this trend may start changing but it's wishful thinking.

Ok, thanks - that means, it’s not only Bengalis & Balooch then ......

 

[Canistani Hero]

Did Misbah actually say to Nauman Niaz that Usman Qadir has more variation than Zahid Mahmood..

The man said "maybe" zahid is more mature now, but he is 33-34 whereas Usman Qadir is 26 so a better investment, we have to stop this culture of picking players and dropping them without giving chances..

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Did Misbah actually say to Nauman Niaz that Usman Qadir has more variation than Zahid Mahmood..

The man said "maybe" zahid is more mature now, but he is 33-34 whereas Usman Qadir is 26 so a better investment, we have to stop this culture of picking players and dropping them without giving chances..

He specifically said Qadir turns it more. Whether or not that’s true, we can agree the difference is marginal. That’s why age comes into play.

Moreover, this is the FIRST time Misbah has EVER said in an interview that “I’m preferring the 20-something year old over the 30-something” - no one is going to praise this considering the fetish for 30 year olds has been the primary subject of criticism for a year now?

At the end of the day, Misbah had made an investment in the future (for once!) and we should support him for it.

 

[MenInG]

This thread is veering away from cricket now.

 

[Red Devil]

This is beyond stupid. So now the PCB shouldn't pick players based on their ability and potential but their ethnic background? What does your ethnicity have to do with cricket?

 

[MMHS]

This is beyond stupid. So now the PCB shouldn't pick players based on their ability and potential but their ethnic background? What does your ethnicity have to do with cricket?

It has - please try to understand. When a particular ethnic group or a good chunk of the whole population is constantly behind ability under same echo system, it only tells that they are deprived of the facilities to enhance their ability to a competitive level....... unless you believe in the theory of superior gin, blood line etc etc.

If Karachi or Sindhi people are falling behind on ability (merit), which I think is the case here - from Mohammeds, Javed, Asif, Saeed, YK .... now it’s Asad Shafique, Fawad Alam, Khurram Manzoor ...... then there are only two possibilities, even with perfectly fair selection policies
1. The house is not in order (own fault)
2. The facilities (infrastructures) are not up to the level to develop ability up-to the acceptable level (double standard)

It HAS TO BE one of the most alarming signs of PAK cricket if there is no Karachi player in 22 men squad - be genuine or manipulated, either way it doesn’t forecast a good future.

 

[Red Devil]

It has - please try to understand. When a particular ethnic group or a good chunk of the whole population is constantly behind ability under same echo system, it only tells that they are deprived of the facilities to enhance their ability to a competitive level....... unless you believe in the theory of superior gin, blood line etc etc.

If Karachi or Sindhi people are falling behind on ability (merit), which I think is the case here - from Mohammeds, Javed, Asif, Saeed, YK .... now it’s Asad Shafique, Fawad Alam, Khurram Manzoor ...... then there are only two possibilities, even with perfectly fair selection policies
1. The house is not in order (own fault)
2. The facilities (infrastructures) are not up to the level to develop ability up-to the acceptable level (double standard)

It HAS TO BE one of the most alarming signs of PAK cricket if there is no Karachi player in 22 men squad - be genuine or manipulated, either way it doesn’t forecast a good future.

I think it has more to do with the fact that cricket just isn't that popular in rural Sindh. Lack of infrastructure is definitely an issue but that's probably true for the entire country with the exception of a few big cities like Lahore, Karachi etc.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

I'm trying to think of any deserving players really and am struggling.

Once a proud source of great cricketers, the region is struggling to produce much talent.

Even Asad Shafiq should be dropped from the Test squad and of course Sarfaraz Ahmed is now going downhill.

Kafeel Bhai Ghotki left arm, right arm. Is he still around?

 

[ElRaja]

It has - please try to understand. When a particular ethnic group or a good chunk of the whole population is constantly behind ability under same echo system, it only tells that they are deprived of the facilities to enhance their ability to a competitive level....... unless you believe in the theory of superior gin, blood line etc etc.

If Karachi or Sindhi people are falling behind on ability (merit), which I think is the case here - from Mohammeds, Javed, Asif, Saeed, YK .... now it’s Asad Shafique, Fawad Alam, Khurram Manzoor ...... then there are only two possibilities, even with perfectly fair selection policies
1. The house is not in order (own fault)
2. The facilities (infrastructures) are not up to the level to develop ability up-to the acceptable level (double standard)

It HAS TO BE one of the most alarming signs of PAK cricket if there is no Karachi player in 22 men squad - be genuine or manipulated, either way it doesn’t forecast a good future.

KP had far less resources than Karachi did twenty years ago, but the advent of afridi completely changed the love for the game there. on top of that kp organised academies and local clubs, and from what i hear a lot of cricket is played there, with lots of former pro and semi pro players involved in coaching.

twenty years ago i can only think of arshad khan, kabir khan and wajahatullah wasti (dont know if he was only born there, or grew up there too) to have played from KP from 1990 to 2000. fast forward and with every generation of players more and more pathan players are making it to the top.

meanwhile karachi has completely fallen off track, aamer sohail, saeed anwar, rashid latif, moin khan were mainstays in the 90s, yet now even shafiq doesnt deserve his place in the team.

furthermore its easy to lump punjab as a one, but whereas selection used to be lahore dominated u now see a lot more players from pindi and south punjab. there has been a demographic shift as the sport has become more widespread, especially given lack of playing areas in big cities.

 

[MMHS]

KP had far less resources than Karachi did twenty years ago, but the advent of afridi completely changed the love for the game there. on top of that kp organised academies and local clubs, and from what i hear a lot of cricket is played there, with lots of former pro and semi pro players involved in coaching.

twenty years ago i can only think of arshad khan, kabir khan and wajahatullah wasti (dont know if he was only born there, or grew up there too) to have played from KP from 1990 to 2000. fast forward and with every generation of players more and more pathan players are making it to the top.

meanwhile karachi has completely fallen off track, aamer sohail, saeed anwar, rashid latif, moin khan were mainstays in the 90s, yet now even shafiq doesnt deserve his place in the team.

furthermore its easy to lump punjab as a one, but whereas selection used to be lahore dominated u now see a lot more players from pindi and south punjab. there has been a demographic shift as the sport has become more widespread, especially given lack of playing areas in big cities.

Bro, thanks - you have elaborated my first point with examples. Can’t happen that a cricket mad megapolis of 35 million population can’t have a single player in 7th ranked Test team on merit and I say, the selection wasn’t unfair this time - Karachi can’t command one spot in that squad, may demand few.

And, I have never mixed Karachi with interior Sindh, which is probably the most underdeveloped area of PAK in east side of Indus. The decline of WIN cricket started when Barbados started to finish in mid tables of Carib Cup..... the demise of PAK batting is well explained when Karachi has Fawad Alam, Khurram Manzoor as premier batsmen & Ahsan Ali is future.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Bro, thanks - you have elaborated my first point with examples. Can’t happen that a cricket mad megapolis of 35 million population can’t have a single player in 7th ranked Test team on merit and I say, the selection wasn’t unfair this time - Karachi can’t command one spot in that squad, may demand few.

And, I have never mixed Karachi with interior Sindh, which is probably the most underdeveloped area of PAK in east side of Indus. The decline of WIN cricket started when Barbados started to finish in mid tables of Carib Cup..... the demise of PAK batting is well explained when Karachi has Fawad Alam, Khurram Manzoor as premier batsmen & Ahsan Ali is future.

This same Karachi is currently producing amazing cricketers:

Ammad Alam
Omair Bin Yousuf
Saud Shakeel
Hasan Mohsin
Danish Aziz
Abrar Ahmed
Saim Ayub

And few others.

 

[Syed1]

This same Karachi is currently producing amazing cricketers:

Ammad Alam
Omair Bin Yousuf
Saud Shakeel
Hasan Mohsin
Danish Aziz
Abrar Ahmed
Saim Ayub

And few others.

Those are just names on a list. Without adequate development and chances they will soon disappear and new names will replace them on the list. They made it on the list based on natural ability, but to progress from there they need game time and mentoring/coaching. Remember Saad Ali? He was also hyped as next best test bat and even had numbers to prove it, where did he go?


Karachi/Sindh's issue is two pronged. Firstly, at the local level there is a friend's mafia who only play their jiggari yaars Sarfaraz, Asad, Anwar Ali, Sohail Khan and Khurram Manzoor will always play irrespective of performance. Even if you somehow get a spot in the side and do perform then you run into the second issue, that is the systemic racism in PCB and inline towards Punjab and specially Lahore. Why is it that garbage Lahori players like Imran Farhat, Taufeeq Umar, Ahmed Shehzad, Umar Akmal, Salman Butt etc played for years but a much better talent in Fawad Alam only got a chance when he was old and finished, despite racking up numbers for a decade.

 

[Ertugrul_Bey]

This selection is blatant racism. How is Zahid Mahmood ignored and Usman Qadir selected? Where is Danish Aziz? The prejudice against Karachi players is long rooted in PCB. It’s about time PCB chairman make things right!

 

[naseem]

Should have selected atleast Danish Aziz and Saud Shakeel.....Saud Shakeel may go to Nz with A team but he is good for ODIS....And Danish could the missing finisher Pak needed

 

[Canistani Hero]

He specifically said Qadir turns it more. Whether or not that’s true, we can agree the difference is marginal. That’s why age comes into play.

Moreover, this is the FIRST time Misbah has EVER said in an interview that “I’m preferring the 20-something year old over the 30-something” - no one is going to praise this considering the fetish for 30 year olds has been the primary subject of criticism for a year now?

At the end of the day, Misbah had made an investment in the future (for once!) and we should support him for it.

Normally I would agree, in this case I can't help but feel Zahid has been outdone. Yes, age is against him but thats not his fault. I think he is far ahead of Usman Qadir in all categories and for all intensive purposes, i believe he can easily play for Pak for a good 3-4 years. Ajmal was in his prime in his 30's as well..

 

[shamaan]

This selection is blatant racism. How is Zahid Mahmood ignored and Usman Qadir selected? Where is Danish Aziz? The prejudice against Karachi players is long rooted in PCB. It’s about time PCB chairman make things right!

I dont think the zahid and Usman issue is becouse he comes from a certain part thats why he didnt get picked both both had similar stats but one is alot younger

 

[shamaan]

Should have selected atleast Danish Aziz and Saud Shakeel.....Saud Shakeel may go to Nz with A team but he is good for ODIS....And Danish could the missing finisher Pak needed

Saud shakeel couldn't even get a decent run in the national cup I blame that management

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Nouman Ali and Fawad Alam doing the job in the 5 day game for now.