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ACC Asia Cup 2022 : Shaheen Shah Afridi or Jasprit Bumrah - which is the bigger loss?

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So no Bumrah and no Shaheen.

Interesting to see how both bowling attacks do without their respective spear heads.
 
Both bowlers are at the top of their games and so important to each side but which team will feel the loss more by the absence of their premier attack option?

I feel Pakistan's back-up resources are so weak that this is a huge impact on our chances.

Your views?
 
So no Bumrah and no Shaheen.

Interesting to see how both bowling attacks do without their respective spear heads.

B kumar and pandya are indian spearheads . India has got better reserves in krishna siraj chahar etc shaheen was way better than bumrah based on his left arm ability . He will be a big miss . Makes india firm favorites now .
 
Two over-bowled bowlers are out with injuries. Bumrah has an extra load in IPL as well. Cummins is getting smarter about what matches he plays. Asia cup is definitely more important than bilaterals if not world T20. Would be a loss for them. Test for bench strength.
 
Obviously Shaheen is a bigger loss because Indian bowling attack is strong and Bumrah keeps missing international cricket anyway. Pakistan's chances of winning this Asia Cup are as bright as Afghanistan's now. :inti
 
So no Bumrah and no Shaheen.

Interesting to see how both bowling attacks do without their respective spear heads.

But shaheen is better than Bumrah since past two years. Bumrah is quite toothless. No comparison.
 
B kumar and pandya are indian spearheads . India has got better reserves in krishna siraj chahar etc shaheen was way better than bumrah based on his left arm ability . He will be a big miss . Makes india firm favorites now .


Lol. If you think Bhuvi, Pandya, Siraj etc are anywhere near Bumrah's ability in T20s, I got nothing much to say really.

And no, Shaheen is definitely not "way better" than Bumrah. He's better with the new ball but Bumrah is a much better at the death overs.
 
Lol. If you think Bhuvi, Pandya, Siraj etc are anywhere near Bumrah's ability in T20s, I got nothing much to say really.

And no, Shaheen is definitely not "way better" than Bumrah. He's better with the new ball but Bumrah is a much better at the death overs.

Lol shaheen is known for both his new ball and death bowling capabilities.
 
But shaheen is better than Bumrah since past two years. Bumrah is quite toothless. No comparison.

"Toothless" in what way? They both have their utilities and are entirely different but in no way has Shaheen proven himself to be a better T20 bowler than Bumrah.

Bumrah may not bowl those wicket taking new ball spells but he's way less likely to get smashed in the death overs. As I said, different players, different abilities.
 
Lol shaheen is known for both his new ball and death bowling capabilities.


Well he might be "known" for it but I'm yet to see his so called death overs capabilities at least in international cricket. Any game where he bowled a tight 7-8 run over at the death to win a game or at least brought his team back into contention?
 
Lol shaheen is known for both his new ball and death bowling capabilities.

There's no comparison really. Its been proven that Bumrah is much worse than both Shaheen and Buvi in T20s and ODIs.

Overrated low impact bowler.
 
It is a big loss for both the teams. Shaheen is a better new ball bowler and Bumrah is better in death. It is sad that they wont play but now we are talking about level playing field since best bowler from both teams is out.

However, I think Shaheen missing may work in favour of Pakistan. Let me explain how....

History suggest that India always play the bowler better next time around.

Wahab Riaz took 5fer in Mohali and in next encounter in Asia Cup 2012 Indian batsmen took him apart.

Junaid Khan destroyed us in Aane Do series but in Champions Trophy 2013 we were very well prepared for him and he was never effective. Even in 2014 Asia cup Rohit took him on.

Amir wrecked us apart in Champions trophy final but when we faced him next in Asia cup 2018 Dhawan/Rohit was hitting him all over the park.

So I have no doubts Indian batsmen would have been much better prepared to face Shaheen this time around. I am sure lots of video analysis would have been in the backend. Had he played, I think we would have fared much better against him as history suggest our batsmen always do better in round 2.

But now with him not playing, we are in a confused zone. It is like you prepared something for exam but questions came totally out of syllabus. India has to now face bowlers like Naseem and Dahani whom they have never played against. So in effect it is still round 1 and may prove counterproductive for Pakistan.

My two cents..
 
But shaheen is better than Bumrah since past two years. Bumrah is quite toothless. No comparison.

Did you see Bumrah bowl in England against England in white ball cricket recently?
 
While both are big losses for their respective sides but, I believe that Shaheen is a bigger loss of his team as Pak without him and out of form and dropped Hassan has really inexperienced bowling lineup. India still has experience in the ranks.
 
Well he might be "known" for it but I'm yet to see his so called death overs capabilities at least in international cricket. Any game where he bowled a tight 7-8 run over at the death to win a game or at least brought his team back into contention?

Both David Weise (Namebia) and Wade took him apart in the death overs. I think he plays a big role when the ball swings a bit upfront.
 
Both David Weise (Namebia) and Wade took him apart in the death overs. I think he plays a big role when the ball swings a bit upfront.


His natural tendency is to bowl attacking lengths that may work with the new ball but at the end those lengths would disappear into the stands. Bumrah is quite the opposite.
 
Bench strength will be tested.

In the last 1 year

India 21 games without Bumrah Won 16 Lost 4 NR 1
India 8 games with Bumrah Won 6 lost 2

Pakistan 3 games without Shaheen won 3
Pakistan 8 games with Shaheen Won 6 lost 2
 
It is a big loss for both the teams. Shaheen is a better new ball bowler and Bumrah is better in death. It is sad that they wont play but now we are talking about level playing field since best bowler from both teams is out.

However, I think Shaheen missing may work in favour of Pakistan. Let me explain how....

History suggest that India always play the bowler better next time around.

Wahab Riaz took 5fer in Mohali and in next encounter in Asia Cup 2012 Indian batsmen took him apart.

Junaid Khan destroyed us in Aane Do series but in Champions Trophy 2013 we were very well prepared for him and he was never effective. Even in 2014 Asia cup Rohit took him on.

Amir wrecked us apart in Champions trophy final but when we faced him next in Asia cup 2018 Dhawan/Rohit was hitting him all over the park.

So I have no doubts Indian batsmen would have been much better prepared to face Shaheen this time around. I am sure lots of video analysis would have been in the backend. Had he played, I think we would have fared much better against him as history suggest our batsmen always do better in round 2.

But now with him not playing, we are in a confused zone. It is like you prepared something for exam but questions came totally out of syllabus. India has to now face bowlers like Naseem and Dahani whom they have never played against. So in effect it is still round 1 and may prove counterproductive for Pakistan.

My two cents..

Well put.

I think the issue really is that Pakistan batters need to give a better account of themselves, Bumrah or not!
 
T20 is a kind of format where performance on that particular day plays a pretty major role. A couple of excellent overs or a couple of bad ones and the game gets changed on its head pretty quickly in T20Is. Obviously Shaheen and Bumrah were their respective MVPs in bowling department for both the nations so that is a huge miss.

I think all rounders from both teams will play a major role in the consequence of the result as both teams will be light in the bowling department.

Hardik Pandya's performance or failure could be the difference in the result of this game. Pakistan don't have an all rounder whom you can really rely on or back to impact the game with either bat or bowl or both. So, Hardik will have a major role to play and his form has been good off late.

I am gonna put my bet on Hardik's performance to decide the consequence of this game. If Pakistan can ensure that they are successfully able to take on Hardik's bowling and stop him from playing a game changing knock with bat, that's their game to win in my opinion.
 
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Both bowlers are at the top of their games and so important to each side but which team will feel the loss more by the absence of their premier attack option?

I feel Pakistan's back-up resources are so weak that this is a huge impact on our chances.

Your views?

Pretty much this. I feel our bench strength is not that strong and from our fast bowlers ( rauf dahani wasim jr and naseem shah) their all right handers
Having shaheen gave a balance and mix since he is left hander as well.
 
Pretty much this. I feel our bench strength is not that strong and from our fast bowlers ( rauf dahani wasim jr and naseem shah) their all right handers
Having shaheen gave a balance and mix since he is left hander as well.

Which makes me very angry that Dahani has not been tested yet.

He will probably end up playing directly in an Asia Cup game!
 
Shaheen is a bigger loss as Pakistan needed him to come anywhere close to competing with us, this time it will be a complete hammering.

This is not to say that Shaheen is the better bowler, Bumrah obviously is better than Shaheen in all formats of the game.
 
Bumrah is the bigger loss. Pak's bowling subs bench is stronger then India's.
 
Lol. If you think Bhuvi, Pandya, Siraj etc are anywhere near Bumrah's ability in T20s, I got nothing much to say really.

And no, Shaheen is definitely not "way better" than Bumrah. He's better with the new ball but Bumrah is a much better at the death overs.

Both Bumrah and Shaheen are on par with each.Bhuvi and pandya and siraj are OK bowlers.
 
T20 is a kind of format where performance on that particular day plays a pretty major role. A couple of excellent overs or a couple of bad ones and the game gets changed on its head pretty quickly in T20Is. Obviously Shaheen and Bumrah were their respective MVPs in bowling department for both the nations so that is a huge miss.

I think all rounders from both teams will play a major role in the consequence of the result as both teams will be light in the bowling department.

Hardik Pandya's performance or failure could be the difference in the result of this game. Pakistan don't have an all rounder whom you can really rely on or back to impact the game with either bat or bowl or both. So, Hardik will have a major role to play and his form has been good off late.

I am gonna put my bet on Hardik's performance to decide the consequence of this game. If Pakistan can ensure that they are successfully able to take on Hardik's bowling and stop him from playing a game changing knock with bat, that's their game to win in my opinion.

Pakistan can relie on Shadab he has proved his worth in t20s.
 
It really isn't. Indias bench is much stronger if they pick tyagi prsidh umran etc.

Tyagi, Siraj and Umran etc do nothing. Only Bumrah is a threat the rest are easily playable. India will struggle without Bumrah more then Pak will minus Shaheen.
 
Sad to see two top bowlers not part of Asia Cup. Between Pak vs India , Afridi is a bigger loss but overall I think Bumrah is more dangerous.
 
Which makes me very angry that Dahani has not been tested yet.

He will probably end up playing directly in an Asia Cup game!

Agree he should have been in playing 11 already

I feel as an example if PCB was to stick with the fast bowlers we have for the asia cup, they wouldnt even play him for the opening match, which I think would be a mistake, even though he does not have much match practice, he should play, he could be an x-factor for Pak.
 
Tyagi, Siraj and Umran etc do nothing. Only Bumrah is a threat the rest are easily playable. India will struggle without Bumrah more then Pak will minus Shaheen.

Add siraj to the mix. Siraj prasidh tyagi umran all will trouble our batsmen. Indian bench is much much stronger. New player arshdeep is good too.

India are actually better without bumrah
They don't even need him for LOI. Infact a choker like him shouldn't play in LOI. He chokes in crucial semis and finals. I think 2 out of the last 4 he failed.
 
Tyagi, Siraj and Umran etc do nothing. Only Bumrah is a threat the rest are easily playable. India will struggle without Bumrah more then Pak will minus Shaheen.

I hope pakistan doesn't underestimate India.

Although if KL rahul is captain, it should be an easy win.

With rohit it's a different story.
 
Bench strength will be tested.

In the last 1 year

India 21 games without Bumrah Won 16 Lost 4 NR 1
India 8 games with Bumrah Won 6 lost 2

Pakistan 3 games without Shaheen won 3
Pakistan 8 games with Shaheen Won 6 lost 2

Statistics can be misleading here, the 3 Pakistan won was verses Netherlands. Can’t really count that
 
Indians are too dependent on bumrah guy.
Other Indians bowlers are not good enough.
Others are just trundlers without much capability.

Pakistan should do fine. Shahnawaz dahani should definitely play over mohd Waseem.

All pakistani bowlers are 145plus on the other hand Indians can barely reach 140ks.

Pakistan can win if they bat sensibly. At the end of the day batting is gonna make difference.
 
Shaheen is a bigger loss.

But, it is just Asia Cup. Not a big tournament. Shaheen should try to recover before World T20.
 
It isn't an interesting question. Shaheen is easily the bigger loss.

To me, Shaheen's x-factor is unmatched by any other bowler in white ball.

However I don't think we have a weaker attack (atleast pace attack) compared to India if both the bowlers are out.

Dahani Naseem Rauf whilst terribly inexperienced still has explosive potential.

It basically hinges on Dahani. If he plays, the contest is far from dead.
 
Why do people keep forgetting that Shaheen is a 22 year old baby in International Cricket? He may not be better than Bumrah at the moment but he is on the right path and will play till 35-36. He is going to break many records provided PCB takes care of him and not let him play in every lalu panju league.

I have said the same thing about Bumrah as well, he should skip IPL to prolong his international career. His body needs rest and that too at the right time which is Apr-Jun. He can play that Pyjama League when he is 33-34 something. IPL fans won't mind it. :inti
 
Umran the spray Gun ?

He wasn't bowling that fast to be honest. He was hyped to be a 155kph bowler but he was bowling around 140-145kph. He is too raw at the moment. I think even selectors have realised that otherwise they would have surely picked him for Zim series at least. :inti
 
Why do people keep forgetting that Shaheen is a 22 year old baby in International Cricket? He may not be better than Bumrah at the moment but he is on the right path and will play till 35-36. He is going to break many records provided PCB takes care of him and not let him play in every lalu panju league.

I have said the same thing about Bumrah as well, he should skip IPL to prolong his international career. His body needs rest and that too at the right time which is Apr-Jun. He can play that Pyjama League when he is 33-34 something. IPL fans won't mind it. :inti

But atm Bumrah is not better than Shaheen or even equal to him. Just saying.
 
Shaheen is not that big a loss for Pakistan. Pakistan has the fastest bowlers and the best fast bowling bench strength in the world.

Take out Bumrah and India is a teletubbies level attack that won't make the Sindh second XI attack.
 
btw, both are facing a race against the time to meet the squad submission deadline of Sep 15 for the T20 WC.
 
Shaheen is not that big a loss for Pakistan. Pakistan has the fastest bowlers and the best fast bowling bench strength in the world.

Take out Bumrah and India is a teletubbies level attack that won't make the Sindh second XI attack.
Name those fastest bowlers and the best fast bowling bench strength please. :inti
 
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Bumrah is the better bowler but Shaheen is bigger loss due to overdependency of Pak on him
 
Shaheen will be missed more. India is still a decent bowling side without Bumrah but Pakistan rely a lot on Shaheen for new ball wickets.
 
Pakistan must capitalise on India's weak bowling in Asia Cup, says Sarfraz Nawaz
In an exclusive interview with Cricket Pakistan, the 73-year-old also opened up on different aspects of Pakistan cricket

Legendary Pakistan pacer Sarfaraz Nawaz thinks India have a weak bowling attack for the Asia Cup and Babar Azam's side must capitalise on it.

In an exclusive interview with Cricket Pakistan, the 73-year-old also opened up on different aspects of Pakistan cricket.

“Bowlers win matches and since India’s premier pacers – Bumrah and Shami – are missing out for the clash, Pakistan must fully capitalize on the situation and replicate the same results from last time around,” he said.

Meanwhile, Sarfaraz Nawaz further added that Pakistan has faced a number of weaker oppositions, which might prove to be a problem in regards to their preparations moving forward.

“We were playing against weak teams. We haven't faced tough competitors and we will see how the team will perform in the World Cup,” he remarked.

The 73-year-old criticised Pakistan’s management approach in terms of finding the right balance for the team.

“There are too many changes in the team. If we look at Australia, they have been fielding the same team and if Pakistan follows the same path,” he added.

Sarfaraz also pointed out the Pakistan cricket team’s inability to sustain pressure after losing wickets and said that the middle-order usually collapses without putting up much of a fight.

He further said that PCB needs to do a much better job while curating pitches for home series.

“They [PCB] need to concentrate on the curation of pitches. They make completely dead pitches and that was seen during the series against Australia. The pitches are supposed to be lively and have a pinch of grass,” he said.

“International pitches should be studied while curating the local pitches. Since we don’t do that, we often find it difficult to adjust to different pitch conditions when we travel abroad,” he further claimed.

Being a remarkable bowler himself, Sarfaraz further added that Pakistan’s bowling department has a lot of depth as well which can come in handy.

“Pakistan has a lot of depth in the pace bowling department. We have eight to ten good pacers but the combination must be set going forward with lesser changes,” he remarked.

Recalling the golden era of Pakistan’s cricket in which Sarfaraz also featured as the main bowler, he said that bowlers nowadays get tired quicker.

“In our time, we played for 15 years. I and Imran were there while the majority were spinners. We used to bowl 50 overs each in a Test match. Now we see bowlers getting tired,” he said.

Sarfaraz remains of the point of view that ODI cricket has lost its value and due to a lot of fixtures, ICC might make substantial changes to that format.

“Cricket is quite a lot now, there are so many games while leagues are also taking place. This is why teams are forming different teams for every format. ODI cricket may be eliminated in the near future,” he claimed.

He further complimented Pakistan stars including Shaheen Afridi and Babar Azam.

“Shaheen is very lethal with the new ball and gets wickets upfront. Babar Azam, on the other hand, is the backbone of Pakistan cricket. When he scores runs, we win matches, and when he doesn't our batting line collapses. The world follows his cover drives and his on-drives are also brilliant, he also accelerates when needed,” he stated.

He concluded with a comment on T20 cricket and match-fixing.

“Fixing can't be stopped especially in T20s. T20 cricket is all about fixing and ICC, cricket boards don't want to interfere and let it spread There are now T20 leagues where they are calling international players. It all ends with match-fixing,” he said.

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/n...on-indias-weak-bowling-in-asia-cup-says-sarfr
 
LOL hahahahahahaha. Harshal the ultimate trundler Patel is being missed now.

Irfan Pathan is trying too hard to show his nationalism.LOL.

None of the Pakistani batsman would have been able to hit Harshal in death overs in subcontinent conditions. He has got good death overs skills and averages 20 in T20Is.
 
LOL hahahahahahaha. Harshal the ultimate trundler Patel is being missed now.

Irfan Pathan is trying too hard to show his nationalism.LOL.

Have you manage to check Harshal Patel's T20 stats or doing Hahaha for the sake of it? :13:
 
Pakistan has a better pace attack than India if we take out the two injured bowlers.
 
In T20 you don't want to lose a left arm quick from attack.
Just the angle itself can create some uncertainty.

Still, in T20 losing one bowler no matter how good cannot destabilize attack like in Tests. Other bowlers need to pick up slack
 
The below are all close to 90mph bowlers.
Naseem
Dahani
Rauf
Wasim Jnr
Zaman Khan
Akif Javed
Husnain

But according to indian fans all these guys are trundlers. Check replies of some of these indian fans in those threads. They are singing a different tune here lol and hyping Pakistani bowlers now just because the match between Ind and Pak is around the corner. :inti
 
Pak batsmen down the order will fancy their chances to score runs against Indian pacers in the death without Bumrah

Shaheen is a very dangerous first over/spell bowler and can put a team on the back foot with a couple of early blows, but he is hardly as threatening in the death the way Bumrah is.
 
I think India have some things in place which make them a more suited bowling attack.

-They have a good swing bowler in Bhuvaneshwar who is very hard to get away if they ball is swinging the way he likes

-They have an in form leg spinner in Chahal whereas Pakistan are not very good at negotiating spin in the middle overs

-They will most likely play Axar Patel who is also very awkward to face due to his height, dip and stump to stump line against the right handers.

These are 12 crucial overs for Indian bowlers and I don’t know if Pakistan have the capability to deal with them at a good run rate rate in order to score or chase.

IMO Pakistan need to play a couple of left handers in the middle to lessen the threat of leg spin or left arm spin. Fakhar is so hit and miss these days
 
I think India have some things in place which make them a more suited bowling attack.

-They have a good swing bowler in Bhuvaneshwar who is very hard to get away if they ball is swinging the way he likes

-They have an in form leg spinner in Chahal whereas Pakistan are not very good at negotiating spin in the middle overs

-They will most likely play Axar Patel who is also very awkward to face due to his height, dip and stump to stump line against the right handers.

These are 12 crucial overs for Indian bowlers and I don’t know if Pakistan have the capability to deal with them at a good run rate rate in order to score or chase.

IMO Pakistan need to play a couple of left handers in the middle to lessen the threat of leg spin or left arm spin. Fakhar is so hit and miss these days
Axar isn't in the 15 member squad. He is in stand-by along with shreyas and D chahar.
 
That’s poor selection. Axar is a proper banker with the ball and he is a good hitter as well

India has created a v v good t20/odi team with a pool of 25 to select anytime anywhere .

Loosing bumrah not big of a deal . The way indian team operates now is the way best corporate management happens

Each spot in t20 /odi team is a specialist spot

Death bowling - harshal , bumrah , Arshdeep and bhuvi
Middle overs spin- chahal , jadeja / axar , sundar , bishnoi, ashwin , yadav
Middle overs seam - prasiddh , avesh , pandya ( hit the deck , bounce bowlers ) Thakur ( thakur does a little of everything and gets wickets )

Power play and opening overs - bhuvi , chahar , bumrah , siraj

The key part in above is rotation and ability to fill in with good performance .

Batting wise too , similar evolution has taken place .

This team attacks from word go and there is an emphasis on batting depth . Jadeja scores over axar for now but axar is almost ready to outgun jadeja .

The indian team will be tough to beat across any format . The weak part was batting which because of sky , Ayer , hooda , pandya revival , gill , sampson , kishan has amazing middle order depth .

Rohit , rahul , out of form kohli , dhawan etc can actually bat freely as the middle order is solid coupled with lower middle order who can bat well .

Bumrah or no bumrah , india is gonna be tough to beat .

Kohli is india weakness . If he continues to be out of form , we will not be world beaters
 
I am wondering what would be Indian attack to start with?

Bhuvi, Arshdeep and D Chahar?? That's some trundler attack. But it is a good attack, they are all good bowlers, it is just that none of the three can intimate the opposition with sheer pace.

But then among all of our bowlers who bowl 140+, who all are really deserving of the XI?

Bumrah - Yes
Umran - No
Mohsin - Untested
Tyagi - Untested
Prasidh - Not in T20s
Siraj - Can be good( at its best but was going through a bad patch)

That's it, don't think we really have anyone who is going to Australia and can clock 140+ consistently except Bumrah.
 
Add siraj to the mix. Siraj prasidh tyagi umran all will trouble our batsmen. Indian bench is much much stronger. New player arshdeep is good too.

India are actually better without bumrah
They don't even need him for LOI. Infact a choker like him shouldn't play in LOI. He chokes in crucial semis and finals. I think 2 out of the last 4 he failed.

India have their bowlers but I don't think they are as good as ours. This is not to suggest that India can not win the match as it is on the day who performs the best.

They will miss Bumrah for sure as he is a classy bowler who can throw the yorker's for fun. It is the batting where India are capable of getting big runs if they bat first. They is my worst fear that they bat us out of the competition. We will certainly not be taking India lightly at all.
 
Both bowlers are at the top of their games and so important to each side but which team will feel the loss more by the absence of their premier attack option?

I feel Pakistan's back-up resources are so weak that this is a huge impact on our chances.

Your views?

Plus Pakistani batting line is SO WEAK that any regulation Indian bowling attack will rip thru it.

So Bumtah’s loss is negligible for India if they are playing against Pakistan.
 
Pakistan without SSA are toothless.

I fear for powerplays against Pakistan.
 
Asia Cup: No variation in Pakistan's bowling line-up in Shaheen Afridi's absence, says Wasim Akram

Asia Cup 2022: Legendary fast bowler Wasim Akram said Pakistan will miss the ability of Shaheen Afridi to pick up early wickets as the left-arm pacer is unavailable for the continental tournament due to a knee injury.

Former Pakistan captain Wasim Akram said on Tuesday, August 23 that Shaheen Afridi's absence is a big setback for Babar Azam-led Pakistan team at the Asia Cup, starting August 27 in the UAE. Shaheen was ruled out of the continental tournament after he picked up a knee injury earlier this year.

Shaheen Afridi has been integral to Pakistan's success in T20I cricket. The left-arm pacer set the tone for Pakistan in the T20 World Cup last year, by rattling India's top order in their high-octane opener.

Speaking to Star Sports in the lead-up to Asia Cup, Wasim Akram said Shaheen's absence will deprive Pakistan of variety in their bowling attack due to the lack of a left-arm fast bowler in their squad.

The Pakistan Cricket Board, earlier this week, named right-arm pacer Mohammad Hasnain as Shaheen's replacement for Asia Cup. Notably, Shaheen is facing a race against time to get fit for the T20 World Cup, starting October 16 in Australia.

"Shaheen Afridi will be missed a lot. He is important because of the new ball. In this format, if you have to restrict the opposition by taking early wickets and that is what the does. He attacks the stumps in all formats.

"There was criticism when he did not take a break but he is only 22. He has got a knee injury which takes time to heal and you always fear that it might come back. He is one of the world's top three bowlers so a big setback for Pakistan.

"There is still pace in the bowling department but there is no variation (in the absence of Shaheen's left arm pace). They all are right handers," Akram said.

BABAR LEARNING VERY FAST
Furthermore, Akram said it's only natural that Babar Azam is being compared to Virat Kohli but stressed that the Pakistan captain has a long way to go if he is to earn the reputation of being one of the modern-day greats.

While Kohli has been going through a lean patch across all formats since the start of 2020, Babar has been in fine form, nearing his dream of becoming the No. 1 batter across all formats.

"The comparisons are only natural. When we played people used to compare Inzamam, Rahul Dravid and Sachin Tendulkar. Before that it was Sunil Gavaskar Javed Miandad, G Vishwanath and Zaheer Abbas," Akram said.

"Babar has been very consistent, because he has got the right technique. He is very hungry and very fit. He is still a young captain but is learning very fast. However, comparisons with Virat it is too early.

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/as...dia-vs-pakistan-babar-azam-1991819-2022-08-24

Hard to disagree with Wasim on this. :inti
 
Sorry to say but this is going bit silly now. All Pak ex cricketers going on and on about Shaheen Afridi missing so that they can use it later as an excuse incase they lose. It is borderline minnow mentality and an elite team should not think like that. If your cricket is so fragile that it depends on 1 guy, you might as well stop playing. That too in a T20 game.

I have not seen any expert from India is crying non stop about Bumrah missing. Yes he will be missed but its not end of the world. Srilanka missing Chameera, Bangladesh missing Liton. I have not heard a peep from anyone yet.

Injuries are part and parcel of the game. If you want to be an elite team and well respected around the world, you cant depend on 1 player. India won last Asia cup without Kohli who was the captain and best batsman (at that time).

People are reacting as if Shaheen missing is the end of the world. Pakistan has enough cricketers but looks like their fans/ex players are keeping the excuse ready....incase...

:srini
 
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Sorry to say but this is going bit silly now. All Pak ex cricketers going on and on about Shaheen Afridi missing so that they can use it later as an excuse incase they lose. It is borderline minnow mentality and an elite team should not think like that. If your cricket is so fragile that it depends on 1 guy, you might as well stop playing. That too in a T20 game.

I have not seen any expert from India is crying non stop about Bumrah missing. Yes he will be missed but its not end of the world. Srilanka missing Chameera, Bangladesh missing Liton. I have not heard a peep from anyone yet.

Injuries are part and parcel of the game. If you want to be an elite team and well respected around the world, you cant depend on 1 player. India won last Asia cup without Kohli who was the captain and best batsman (at that time).

People are reacting as if Shaheen missing is the end of the world. Pakistan has enough cricketers but looks like their fans/ex players are keeping the excuse ready....incase...

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At least they have a reason to feel so. He performed very well against India last time and helped them break a WC streak. He is also a left arm bowler and indian batsmen struggle against them. They are not hyping Pakistani bowling attack to be the best in the world so his absence will make a huge impact.

May be you should ask this question from those fans and experts who call Indian bowling the best in the world but are now calling them a weak attack because Bumrah is not part of it. Where is our bench strength now? According to some fans and players even our B or C team can win any ICC tournament so what has happened now?

Indian fans are the ones who are keeping excuses ready here because Indian team is stronger than the current Pakistani team. These are the same guys who not too long ago were making fun of Naseem Shah and Haris Rauf but now they are rating them higher than Indian bowlers. :91:

It will be a miracle if current Pakistan team without Shaheen manages to beat India. Expecting an India vs Sri Lanka final now. :inti
 
Afridi bowled brilliantly in that India game and everyone appreciated that. But all these ho halla is bit overstated and based on that one game. If you look at it objectively, Afridi got only 7 wickets in that entire T20 WC. Infact, Haris Rauf out performed him if we consider whole tournament.

As far as comparison with Bumrah is concerned, below are their respective stats in that WT20 last year:

Afridi
Matches - 6
Wickets - 7
Avg - 25
Economy - 7.04
Strike rate - 20.5

Bumrah
Matches - 5
Wickets - 7
Avg - 14
Economy - 5.08
Strike rate - 16

Sirf hype and excuses...LOL.

Lage raho.
 
Huge loss for India. After Bumrah, the quality drops steeply. The likes of BKumar, Shami, Chahar, Avesh are no where close to Bumrah's class. Bumrah is the only match winning bowler in India's arsenal.

Shaheen is a big loss too. But Pak has capable bowlers who can be match winners on their day to replace Shaheen.
 
At least they have a reason to feel so. He performed very well against India last time and helped them break a WC streak. He is also a left arm bowler and indian batsmen struggle against them. They are not hyping Pakistani bowling attack to be the best in the world so his absence will make a huge impact.

May be you should ask this question from those fans and experts who call Indian bowling the best in the world but are now calling them a weak attack because Bumrah is not part of it. Where is our bench strength now? According to some fans and players even our B or C team can win any ICC tournament so what has happened now?

Indian fans are the ones who are keeping excuses ready here because Indian team is stronger than the current Pakistani team. These are the same guys who not too long ago were making fun of Naseem Shah and Haris Rauf but now they are rating them higher than Indian bowlers. :91:

It will be a miracle if current Pakistan team without Shaheen manages to beat India. Expecting an India vs Sri Lanka final now. :inti

I don't think a single person here or anywhere called Indian LOI attack the best in the world.

The test attack on the other hand is one of the best in the world.
 
Wait a minute, all these while people were saying how Pakistan has the best fast bowlers, best upcoming pacers, best fast bowling t20 league in the world etc.

If that's the case why are they not able to fill one fast bowler's spot? Where are all those international ready bowlers that Pakistan has in every corner of the street?

This is not a snide comment, just curious. People like Waqar are just embarrassing themselves with the minnow like crying.

he Indian LOI lineup on the other hand is minnow level with Bumrah the only quality pacer. Even the pipeline isn't that great as far as LOI is concerned.

Bumrah is the biggest loss for sure, but I am not gonna cry about it. If we can't replace one bowler then we deserve not to win.
 
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I don't think a single person here or anywhere called Indian LOI attack the best in the world.

The test attack on the other hand is one of the best in the world.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] would disagree
 
The Asia Cup 2022 got underway on Saturday and it was Afghanistan who emerged triumphant against Sri Lanka in the Group B clash. But all eyes would be on contest between India and Pakistan in Group A on Sunday at the Dubai International Stadium. Both India and Pakistan are without their star pacers -- Jasprit Bumrah and Shaheen Shah Afridi. Former India spinner Harbhajan Singh has said that India will miss Bumrah and him not being a part of the lineup will be a respite for other teams.

"Jasprit Bumrah is an extra-ordinary bowler. If you see his performances over the past two years, he has had quite an impact. This year he also became the captain. So him being not there is a respite for the other teams. He is a bowler who can turn the tide of the game," said Harbhajan in a video uploaded on Sports Tak.

"Mohammed Shami and Harshal Patel are also not there. So the bowling of the Indian team looks slightly weak to me. But India has better spinners. Yuzvendra Chahal and Ravichandran Ashwin have a lot of experience, they can help the team win," he added.

Former Pakistan captain Shahid Afridi also weighed in on the absence of Shaheen Shah Afridi and he was critical of the management for not giving the ace speedster enough rest.

"Shaheen Shah Afridi is my junior. I keep giving him advice. He is quite aggressive and he gives his everything. In PSL, he used to dive a lot, then also I used to give him advice that do not dive as you are a fast bowler. You can get injured, but later I realised he is also an Afridi, he did not listen to me," said Shahid Afridi.

"He is undergoing treatment, I just hope he gets fine in the next 1-2 months. We all want him to be there for the World Cup, he should not miss that tournament. You are right, you should not make him play cricket continuosly. Fast bowlers don't have a long shelf life. Our bench strength should be strong and it is strong. You should keep rotating bowlers and give everyone a proper rest," he added.

NDTV
 
Afridi bowled brilliantly in that India game and everyone appreciated that. But all these ho halla is bit overstated and based on that one game. If you look at it objectively, Afridi got only 7 wickets in that entire T20 WC. Infact, Haris Rauf out performed him if we consider whole tournament.

As far as comparison with Bumrah is concerned, below are their respective stats in that WT20 last year:

Afridi
Matches - 6
Wickets - 7
Avg - 25
Economy - 7.04
Strike rate - 20.5

Bumrah
Matches - 5
Wickets - 7
Avg - 14
Economy - 5.08
Strike rate - 16

Sirf hype and excuses...LOL.

Lage raho.

Lol, what a joke. Going by your logic Rahul and Rohit had a better world cup than Babar and Rizwan. Complete nonsense. Bumrah was a nonfactor in last year's world cup. He choked like he always does in ICC tournaments. 5 out of 7 of Bumrah's wickets came against Namibia, Scotland, and Afghanistan. He got 2 cheap wickets against New Zealand after he already lost India the match by not getting early wickets. 5 out of 7 of Shaheen's wickets came against New Zealand, Australia, and India. 4 out of 5 of those wickets were against the top order which lead to Pakistan winning against New Zealand and India. Taking wickets against minnows in dead rubbers is less than worthless, it's a waste of everyone's time.
 
Lol, what a joke. Going by your logic Rahul and Rohit had a better world cup than Babar and Rizwan. Complete nonsense. Bumrah was a nonfactor in last year's world cup. He choked like he always does in ICC tournaments. 5 out of 7 of Bumrah's wickets came against Namibia, Scotland, and Afghanistan. He got 2 cheap wickets against New Zealand after he already lost India the match by not getting early wickets. 5 out of 7 of Shaheen's wickets came against New Zealand, Australia, and India. 4 out of 5 of those wickets were against the top order which lead to Pakistan winning against New Zealand and India. Taking wickets against minnows in dead rubbers is less than worthless, it's a waste of everyone's time.

21 year old Shaheen was better than experienced Bumrah in the last T20WC. It is funny that you have to explain this to [MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION] who thinks too highly of himself and his opinions. :facepalm :inti
 
Lol, what a joke. Going by your logic Rahul and Rohit had a better world cup than Babar and Rizwan. Complete nonsense. Bumrah was a nonfactor in last year's world cup. He choked like he always does in ICC tournaments. 5 out of 7 of Bumrah's wickets came against Namibia, Scotland, and Afghanistan. He got 2 cheap wickets against New Zealand after he already lost India the match by not getting early wickets. 5 out of 7 of Shaheen's wickets came against New Zealand, Australia, and India. 4 out of 5 of those wickets were against the top order which lead to Pakistan winning against New Zealand and India. Taking wickets against minnows in dead rubbers is less than worthless, it's a waste of everyone's time.
That top order wicket against Australia in the semis didn't help him as he got manhandled by Matty Wade bcoz of his poor death bowling abilities.

More Matches are won in death overs in t20s, has always been the case.
 
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