Afghan cricketer Rashid Khan marries for the second time in 14 months

[BouncerGuy]

Can a woman have multiple husbands in Islam? Or is the privilege of having multiple partners at once only for men?

Read about Islam and you will know the answer.

 

[Hitman]

Read about Islam and you will know the answer.

Not interested! I merely asked a simple question to those who already know Islam. I can't be reading all Islamic scriptures to find out a simple question I have.​

 

[BouncerGuy]

Not interested! I merely asked a simple question to those who already know Islam. I can't be reading all Islamic scriptures to find out a simple question I have.​

you dont need to read all scripture, just google it... Simple.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pretty much sums up why you guys have your current reputation in the civilized world.

Brother marriages are a personal matter. In some remote areas of India, even Polyandry and investors relationships are formally accepted. Besides we are the land of Kamasutra. We should have a broader view of multiple marriages and coitus.

 

[Mockingbird]

Brother marriages are a personal matter. In some remote areas of India, even Polyandry and investors relationships are formally accepted. Besides we are the land of Kamasutra. We should have a broader view of multiple marriages and coitus.

You are right, but polygamy only has legitimacy if a woman is also allowed to practice polyandry. If only one sex is allowed to practice it and the other forbidden it becomes a matter of abuse of power, just like opening the marriage by only one partner.

I would love to understand why Islam does not allow polyandry when such rights are given to the males.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You are right, but polygamy only has legitimacy if a woman is also allowed to practice polyandry. If only one sex is allowed to practice it and the other forbidden it becomes a matter of abuse of power, just like opening the marriage by only one partner.

I would love to understand why Islam does not allow polyandry when such rights are given to the males.

It’s for all times and lands. A woman with 4 husbands even now in some parts wouldn’t know who the father is of the child

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Can a woman have multiple husbands in Islam? Or is the privilege of having multiple partners at once only for men?

No, that is only allowed for men. Can women have multiple husbands in Hinduism?

 

[Red-Indian]

No, that is only allowed for men. Can women have multiple husbands in Hinduism?

I don't think Polyandry is explicitly forbidden in Hinduism. I'm no expert but I remember reading that there are texts that discourage it. Polygamy is not forbidden either.

Personally, once a country reaches a certain level of maturity, the State should have any role in deciding what form of adult human consenting relationships are legal - same sex, polygamy, polyandry even polyamory. Religions are going to lay down all sorts of stupid rules for their followers. States need to ignore these rules and focus on regulating consent and providing redress when exploitation occurs.

In developing countries though, I acknowledge that consent is difficult to regulate and therefore it's better to play it safe and therefore ban complicated relationships like Polygamy and Polyandry where one party is likely to be at a disadvantage.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don't think Polyandry is explicitly forbidden in Hinduism. I'm no expert but I remember reading that there are texts that discourage it. Polygamy is not forbidden either.

Personally, once a country reaches a certain level of maturity, the State should have any role in deciding what form of adult human consenting relationships are legal - same sex, polygamy, polyandry even polyamory. Religions are going to lay down all sorts of stupid rules for their followers. States need to ignore these rules and focus on regulating consent and providing redress when exploitation occurs.

In developing countries though, I acknowledge that consent is difficult to regulate and therefore it's better to play it safe and therefore ban complicated relationships like Polygamy and Polyandry where one party is likely to be at a disadvantage.

I only asked because I wonder how we came to a situation where a a wife had to throw herself on a funeral pyre in a world where polyandry would be allowed? If the wife has more than one husband that means the one that's still alive is losing his wife.

 

[sweep_shot]

Rashid can have 1 wife, 2 wives, or 3 wives. That's his choice. There is nothing wrong with it as far as Islamic rulings go.

He is a good looking guy (Afghans tend to be good looking) and he is very successful. So, he naturally attracts the ladies I guess.

I guess sanghis are jealous of him because they can't get girls like him.

Then again, who cares what the sanghis think?

 

[Rajdeep]

Rashid can have 1 wife, 2 wives, or 3 wives. That's his choice. There is nothing wrong with it as far as Islamic rulings go.

He is a good looking guy (Afghans tend to be good looking) and he is very successful. So, he naturally attracts the ladies I guess.

I guess sanghis are jealous of him because they can't get girls like him.

Then again, who cares what the sanghis think?

You are also single, right?

 

[Red-Indian]

I only asked because I wonder how we came to a situation where a a wife had to throw herself on a funeral pyre in a world where polyandry would be allowed? If the wife has more than one husband that means the one that's still alive is losing his wife.

I suppose it's same old honour and pride nonsense in primitive societies. It's why fathers murder their own daughters who they think have harmed the family honour by falling in love with some unapproved dude.

The original mythical 'Sati' on who the stupid practice is named didn't even commit Sati as the practice was understood later. According to the mythological story, she couldn't take an insult to her (alive) husband and committed suicide.

I tried to research when answering a question like this on another forum and it's tough to even ascertain how common this was outside the Rajput Kshatriya community. Most literature on the subject draws inferences from isolated inscriptions.

As far as Polyandry is concerned, perhaps you deliberately misunderstand. While it's not explicitly forbidden, there are very rare instances of it in Hindu history given the societal conditions. I don't see how it would influence Sati in any way.

 

[Mockingbird]

I only asked because I wonder how we came to a situation where a a wife had to throw herself on a funeral pyre in a world where polyandry would be allowed? If the wife has more than one husband that means the one that's still alive is losing his wife.

We also had the most famous instance of Draupadi and her 5 husbands in the Mahabharata, so obviously not completely frowned upon. There are other instances of Polyandry in the vedas.

And I know you guys love to equate everything to old practices which are outright banned and are almost never ever practiced, but we do follow the modern laws and not let an age old manuscript define us.

 

[Mockingbird]

It’s for all times and lands. A woman with 4 husbands even now in some parts wouldn’t know who the father is of the child

Naa, I am sure they can work out a system in a polyandric marriage if they want. A child does not necessarily need a father’s name attached anymore.

 

[topspin]

I don't know about UK but in US it is not "very common". Among the elite class it is usually frowned upon.

This is certainly the case in our culture and rightly so.

As eloquently explained by brother @Ball Blazer , the purpose of having multiple wives in Islam was never introduced to satisfy one's lustful desires.

 

[topspin]

@RizwanT20Champ - once again proving why he's one of the best posters on timepass. A great addition to PP.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Naa, I am sure they can work out a system in a polyandric marriage if they want. A child does not necessarily need a father’s name attached anymore.

Maybe not to you but I would say most people want to know who their dad is

 

[sweep_shot]

Maybe not to you but I would say most people want to know who their dad is

Exactly.

Just because some of these sanghis want to live like animals doesn't mean rest of the world too.

We are humans. Not animals.

 

[Varun]

Only in Afghanistan.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Exactly.

Just because some of these sanghis want to live like animals doesn't mean rest of the world too.

We are humans. Not animals.

Prob the most strange post I've read on here for years.

Imagine a child has 4 men married to his mom. Is he/she going to call Dad 1 on Monday and Dad 2 on Tuesday? Some people are worrying with their mindset.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Only in Afghanistan.

India has surpassed Afghans on this one.

Keeping it in the family: Inside the Indian tradition of polyandrous marriages

When a bride in a remote Himalayan village wed two brothers last month, pictures from the ceremony went viral and their relationship made national headlines. Namita Singh reports from the Hatti communities of Himachal Pradesh, where supporters say the practice is rooted in Hindu mythology

www.independent.co.uk

 

[sweep_shot]

Prob the most strange post I've read on here for years.

Imagine a child has 4 men married to his mom. Is he/she going to call Dad 1 on Monday and Dad 2 on Tuesday? Some people are worrying with their mindset.

No wonder why India is experiencing severe moral decline.

 

[IronShield]

This is certainly the case in our culture and rightly so.

As eloquently explained by brother @Ball Blazer , the purpose of having multiple wives in Islam was never introduced to satisfy one's lustful desires.

It literally is one of the reasons, so to prevent extra marital relations.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We also had the most famous instance of Draupadi and her 5 husbands in the Mahabharata, so obviously not completely frowned upon. There are other instances of Polyandry in the vedas.

And I know you guys love to equate everything to old practices which are outright banned and are almost never ever practiced, but we do follow the modern laws and not let an age old manuscript define us.

Honestly, in India I actually think polyandry makes more sense when it comes to a woman's nuptial satisfaction.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Honestly, in India I actually think polyandry makes more sense when it comes to a woman's nuptial satisfaction.

I doubt this would work in India Cpt. A land where women are the most sexually abused, is the last land you'd want 1 woman with 4 husbands.

 

[JaDed]

Honestly, in India I actually think polyandry makes more sense when it comes to a woman's nuptial satisfaction.

And why is that cap?

 

[JaDed]

@Major Hope its obvious to you who is defending Rashid now lol..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I doubt this would work in India Cpt. A land where women are the most sexually abused, is the last land you'd want 1 woman with 4 husbands.

At least the ordeal wouldn't last that long.

 

[Mockingbird]

Prob the most strange post I've read on here for years.

Imagine a child has 4 men married to his mom. Is he/she going to call Dad 1 on Monday and Dad 2 on Tuesday? Some people are worrying with their mindset.

So how is it any different calling someone Ammi 1 vs Ammi 2 vs Ammi 3?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

So how is it any different calling someone Ammi 1 vs Ammi 2 vs Ammi 3?

It's quite obvious who the mother of a child is

 

[tiger_khan]

Having one set of in-laws is enough to annoy you - always interfering


Imagine having two sets of in-laws...

 

[sweep_shot]

@Major Hope its obvious to you who is defending Rashid now lol..

Do you want us to condemn Rashid? For what exactly? He didn't commit a crime.

Having 2 wives is okay in Islam and where he lives (Afghanistan). There is nothing to condemn here. He is a law-abiding and productive citizen of his country.

 

[Suleiman]

never seen men be so adamant to see women have the right to have multiple husbands.

Same people probably support same sex marriage as well and don’t consider it a form of degeneracy.

as has been said before, people’s opinions and moral values and standards change every few decades and centuries. Better to listen to The One, The Lord of the worlds, who created us and knows us better than we know ourselves and whose wisdom is timeless. He knows what societal norms are best for us and what are the appropriate limits for men and women.

Same people crying here won’t bat an eye for their favorite non Muslim footballer, cricketer, etc having 2-3 girlfriends or running through 50-100+ girls in a calendar year to go with his goals scored or wickets taken that same year.

But a Muslim cricketer marries more than one woman then they lose their mind.

 

[tiger_khan]

LOL the chronic hypocrites of this website see this news as an opportunity to demonstrate their hate for Islam

It should be noted that in all the Western countries you can have as many girlfriends/boyfriends you want, simultaneously. There is no limit

A former Mayor of Toronto had a mistress and had children with her. In the 21st century he got rid of all of his responsibilities relating to children by signing a $30K contract with his mistress.
The children after reaching adulthood sued their biological father for the lack of financial support. The Canadian court ruled in favor of the Mayor and didn't find him responsible for any financial responsibilities. If memory serves me right, the Mayor had 4 children with the mistress

Rashid Khan with his married wives will not be able to runaway from his responsibilities relating to future children

Marriage is an institution. It includes the entire family - includes future children. It's not just a sexual relationship between people.

 

[RexRex]

Many Brothers in UK and US have multiple wives, I do too, its very common.

You have mutiple wives ?

How did that come about ? I'm curious to hear the story behind that.

 

[sweep_shot]

never seen men be so adamant to see women have the right to have multiple husbands.

Same people probably support same sex marriage as well and don’t consider it a form of degeneracy.

as has been said before, people’s opinions and moral values and standards change every few decades and centuries. Better to listen to The One, The Lord of the worlds, who created us and knows us better than we know ourselves and whose wisdom is timeless. He knows what societal norms are best for us and what are the appropriate limits for men and women.

Same people crying here won’t bat an eye for their favorite non Muslim footballer, cricketer, etc having 2-3 girlfriends or running through 50-100+ girls in a calendar year to go with his goals scored or wickets taken that same year.

But a Muslim cricketer marries more than one woman then they lose their mind.

To put it bluntly, there are gutless simps.

I also consider them as social degenerates.

 

[RexRex]

Honestly, in India I actually think polyandry makes more sense when it comes to a woman's nuptial satisfaction.

How would you know ?

Are you some kind tantric guru that women come to and complain ?

 

[sweep_shot]

LOL the chronic hypocrites of this website see this news as an opportunity to demonstrate their hate for Islam

It should be noted that in all the Western countries you can have as many girlfriends/boyfriends you want, simultaneously. There is no limit

A former Mayor of Toronto had a mistress and had children with her. In the 21st century he got rid of all of his responsibilities relating to children by signing a $30K contract with his mistress.
The children after reaching adulthood sued their biological father for the lack of financial support. The Canadian court ruled in favor of the Mayor and didn't find him responsible for any financial responsibilities. If memory serves me right, the Mayor had 4 children with the mistress

Rashid Khan with his married wives will not be able to runaway from his responsibilities relating to future children

Marriage is an institution. It includes the entire family - includes future children. It's not just a sexual relationship between people.

Exactly.

You are unlikely to see them condemn having multiple girlfriends. They would probably glorify it.

At the end of the day, it is their Islamophobia that makes them enraged I guess.

 

[Champ_Pal]

It’s for all times and lands. A woman with 4 husbands even now in some parts wouldn’t know who the father is of the child

A simple paternity test will show who the father is.

In polyandry marriages, its better to not know who the father is.

 

[JaDed]

Do you want us to condemn Rashid? For what exactly? He didn't commit a crime.

Having 2 wives is okay in Islam and where he lives (Afghanistan). There is nothing to condemn here. He is a law-abiding and productive citizen of his country.

Context is important- Major said Indians were defending him.. so you and “Indians” are on same page.. happy?

 

[sweep_shot]

To put it bluntly, there are gutless simps.

I also consider them as social degenerates.

Question for all the simps: Does your simping mentality help you succeed in a relatioship/marriage?

Answer is probably not. You are likely to end up with a mentally unstable slut or a psycho in the long run.

Ladies who are genuinely wife-materials do not need simps or seek simps. They are intelligent enough and mature enough to handle themselves.

 

[tiger_khan]

Exactly.

You are unlikely to see them condemn having multiple girlfriends. They would probably glorify it.

At the end of the day, it is their Islamophobia that makes them enraged I guess.

That's exactly what it is Islamophobia

They wouldn't go after the male celebrities who are dating multiple girls simultaneously

They glorify men who have multiple relationships

JFK (late American President) is celebrated for having multiple mistress

Ironically, there are non-muslim people on this very thread, whose religious figures had multiple spouses but they are criticizing Muslims and Islam

In all my life, I don't even know five Pakistanis who have had more than one wife. I know a lot of people. It's something very uncommon. Men can't afford having one family, imagine having two.

 

[JaDed]

LOL the chronic hypocrites of this website see this news as an opportunity to demonstrate their hate for Islam

It should be noted that in all the Western countries you can have as many girlfriends/boyfriends you want, simultaneously. There is no limit

A former Mayor of Toronto had a mistress and had children with her. In the 21st century he got rid of all of his responsibilities relating to children by signing a $30K contract with his mistress.
The children after reaching adulthood sued their biological father for the lack of financial support. The Canadian court ruled in favor of the Mayor and didn't find him responsible for any financial responsibilities. If memory serves me right, the Mayor had 4 children with the mistress

Rashid Khan with his married wives will not be able to runaway from his responsibilities relating to future children

Marriage is an institution. It includes the entire family - includes future children. It's not just a sexual relationship between people.

So its only upto the women to uphold monogamy is your view? Right?

Also on your example of its John Tort:
He got ripped apart, did he resign or not? Is Rashid going to resign?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Yup.

How primitive is playing with cow dung or drinking cow urine?

Cow dung play is done in a village in Karnataka. It is their tradition. Nothing to do with Hindu beliefs.

Drinking cow urine is stupid. Indian traditional medicine aka Ayurveda has some medicines that include herbs mixed with a few drops of cow urine to cure certain ailments. The ones that drink it without knowing how to use it are obviously stupid.

Anyways, it did not take you long to show your bigotry. I can show you how Camel Urine is used in Muslim world. I would rather not stoop to your level.

 

[JaDed]

Question for all the simps: Does your simping mentality help you succeed in a relatioship/marriage?

Answer is probably not. You are likely to end up with a mentally unstable slut or a psycho in the long run.

Ladies who are genuinely wife-materials do not need simps or seek simps. They are intelligent enough and mature enough to handle themselves.

Ah the Andrew Tate wannabe

 

[sweep_shot]

Ah the Andrew Tate wannabe

I keep it real.

I respect modest and responsible women.

I do not respect sluts/radical feminists/stupid women.

 

[RexRex]

Ah the Andrew Tate wannabe

Andrew Tate has a big muslim following so not surprising.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Question for all the simps: Does your simping mentality help you succeed in a relatioship/marriage?

Answer is probably not. You are likely to end up with a mentally unstable slut or a psycho in the long run.

Ladies who are genuinely wife-materials do not need simps or seek simps. They are intelligent enough and mature enough to handle themselves.

Asking equal rights for women is not simping you Baluga whale.

If a man can have multiple wives, then a woman should also be allowed the same rights. All humans are equal when it comes to rights. In this day and age, polyandry can easily work. We have tests available to confirm who the actual father is.

Controlling what a woman can do or not do is not manliness. Only insecure male chauvinists will consider woman as inferior and not grant them the same rights as men. The insecurity comes from the fact that if you give equal rights to women, they will runaway with another dude.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I keep it real.

I respect modest and responsible women.

I do not respect sluts/radical feminists/stupid women.

Granting same rights as men for women does not make them feminists or sluts or radical. Its basic human right. You will not complain as you are not the one suffering. Its all fine and dandy until it is your turn.

 

[JaDed]

I keep it real.

I respect modest and responsible women.

I do not respect sluts/radical feminists/stupid women.

what about

Playboys/Male chauvinists/stupid men ?

 

[JaDed]

Andrew Tate has a big muslim following so not surprising.

I have never seen Indian Muslims quote his philosophy, have seen Indian Panjabis do though..(in my circle)

 

[tiger_khan]

So its only upto the women to uphold monogamy is your view? Right?

Also on your example of its John Tort:
He got ripped apart, did he resign or not? Is Rashid going to resign?

I am not religious.

I have no issues if women have multiple partners. I do not like to be married to one because I prefer undivided attention from my spouse. But if another male has a consensual relationship with a female with multiple partners, I don't jump in their bedrooms and tell them they are morally wrong

Since I am not religious myself, I can see and recognize when the people are criticizing the multiple spouse issue out of hatred or genuine concerns

On the issue of Mayor, I am not referring to JT.

I am referring to ML, who was under pressure to resign but didn't. When his children sued him, the former were in their late 30s or so.

 

[Suleiman]

I have never seen Indian Muslims quote his philosophy, have seen Indian Panjabis do though..(in my circle)

Pretty much every single Muslim who is aware of Tate has turned away from him as well. Good chance he has left Islam, he’s on a tirade against Muslims 24/7 these days and is far right so don’t worry, no one with a hint of common sense aligns with that woman trafficker / abuser

Should be jailed

 

[sweep_shot]

Pretty much every single Muslim who is aware of Tate has turned away from him as well. Good chance he has left Islam, he’s on a tirade against Muslims 24/7 these days and is far right so don’t worry, no one with a hint of common sense aligns with that woman trafficker / abuser

Should be jailed

Yeah. I am not pro-Tate. I think he is confused and he is all over the place.

Not sure why Jaded thought I was pro-Tate.

Just because someone is anti-feminist doesn't mean he is pro-Tate.

 

[sweep_shot]

So its only upto the women to uphold monogamy is your view? Right?

Also on your example of its John Tort:
He got ripped apart, did he resign or not? Is Rashid going to resign?

Difference is JT did stuff outside of marriage. He used deception.

Rashid didn't do anything outside of marriage. He didn't use deception.

Not the same thing.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Difference is JT did stuff outside of marriage. He used deception.

Rashid didn't do anything outside of marriage. He didn't use deception.

Not the same thing.

Bro ss I know you have good intentions but sometimes your posts give off wrong vibes. While multiple marriage is permitted it is definitely not an obligation and the majority of Muslim men do not have multiple wives. Don't let the Indians trolling here get to you.

 

[Champ_Pal]

There is nothing to discuss in this thread other than offering congratulations to Rashid khan. He did nothing wrong according to the law of his country. I hope his first wife gave a green signal to him too.
This is like Westerners up in arms when they see Chinese eating Dogs or Hindus up in arms when someone eats a cow.

If the law allows it and all parties are giving their vote of approval, then it is good to go.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

never seen men be so adamant to see women have the right to have multiple husbands.

I don't think you should mock these Hindu beliefs. If they are happy that their mother or wives has multiple partners then who are we to judge them?

Thanks to esteemed posters on PP I have learned a lot about Sanatani attitudes to intimacy. Things we consider forbidden like homosexuality, bisexuality, prostitution and polyandry are things cherished and respected in their tradition, even seen as providing social service. Similarly things we consider normal like polygamy, gender segregation etc is seen as regressive to them.

Live and let live bro.

 

[KingKhanWC]

A simple paternity test will show who the father is.

In polyandry marriages, its better to not know who the father is.

If you bothered to read my post carefully, i mentioned for all times and all lands. 2 billion dont have access to clean water today , unlikely they will get such tests and these werent around in the past.

This is just one reason.

Men and Women are equal in terms of their characters but physically are not equal at all, men are superiour.

 

[Champ_Pal]

If you bothered to read my post carefully, i mentioned for all times and all lands. 2 billion dont have access to clean water today , unlikely they will get such tests and these werent around in the past.

This is just one reason.

Men and Women are equal in terms of their characters but physically are not equal at all, men are superiour.

If you bothered to read my post, I said it’s better to not find out who the father is. In case they do want to find out for whatever reason, they can always take the help of science.

Never denied that men and women are not equal physically. But the rights should be same for both sexes. If one can marry multiple women, then the other can also marry multiple men.
Just make the playing field equal for both sexes.
It’s because of these lopsided rules that no one wants a girl child in 3rd world countries.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If you bothered to read my post, I said it’s better to not find out who the father is. In case they do want to find out for whatever reason, they can always take the help of science.

Never denied that men and women are not equal physically. But the rights should be same for both sexes. If one can marry multiple women, then the other can also marry multiple men.
Just make the playing field equal for both sexes.
It’s because of these lopsided rules that no one wants a girl child in 3rd world countries.

lol. Maybe better for you, if you were in this scenario but I would say almost all people would want to know who is their real dad.

You cant have the same physical rights if you are not physically equal.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

If you bothered to read my post, I said it’s better to not find out who the father is. In case they do want to find out for whatever reason, they can always take the help of science.

Never denied that men and women are not equal physically. But the rights should be same for both sexes. If one can marry multiple women, then the other can also marry multiple men.
Just make the playing field equal for both sexes.
It’s because of these lopsided rules that no one wants a girl child in 3rd world countries.

A man can get 4 wives pregnant at once in theory. Could a woman do it? You are a known right wing supremacist trying to take veiled jabs at Muslims here. Get out.

 

[JaDed]

A man can get 4 wives pregnant at once in theory. Could a woman do it? You are a known right wing supremacist trying to take veiled jabs at Muslims here. Get out.

A man and a woman can do a lot of things..are you making a point here that if a man can do something which women can’t he has right to do so?

 

[JaDed]

That's exactly what it is Islamophobia

They wouldn't go after the male celebrities who are dating multiple girls simultaneously

They glorify men who have multiple relationships

JFK (late American President) is celebrated for having multiple mistress

Ironically, there are non-muslim people on this very thread, whose religious figures had multiple spouses but they are criticizing Muslims and Islam

In all my life, I don't even know five Pakistanis who have had more than one wife. I know a lot of people. It's something very uncommon. Men can't afford having one family, imagine having two.

I don’t think that is true, no one gets celebrated for having mistresses, is Bill Clinton celebrated for that? In your mayor story itself the recent most Mayor of Toronto had to resign..
There is no celebration when Men cheat on their women, if it is then the society has failed anyway..

 

[sweep_shot]

I don’t think that is true, no one gets celebrated for having mistresses, is Bill Clinton celebrated for that? In your mayor story itself the recent most Mayor of Toronto had to resign..
There is no celebration when Men cheat on their women, if it is then the society has failed anyway..

When did Rashid cheat?

Both are his wives.

If it is an official marriage, that's not cheating.

 

[JaDed]

When did Rashid cheat?

Both are his wives.

If it is an official marriage, that's not cheating.

Context: In West Men are celebrated for having mistress
Answer: No

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

A man and a woman can do a lot of things..are you making a point here that if a man can do something which women can’t he has right to do so?

No but the idea is the man in theory can give multiple women the joy of being a mother all at once. A woman cannot do that. As said this is not an obligation and most people dont indulge in it regardless of what "Lord James" is spouting.

 

[LordJames]

I understand your perspective.

I feel like people jump through hoops to try and justify polygamy, making it to be some sort of sacrifice or charity to women.

It is probably more mysoginistic to take this approach than admit the truth, that it takes place because Islamically, man has superiority over a woman in some regards.

I do not understand your perspective at all.

Polygamy is permissible in Islam like millions of other permissible matters, it is neither mandatory, nor virtuous, nor meritorious.

Eating Pineapple is also permissible and those who want to eat it, can eat it.
​

1. A man makes a decision to be in a polygamous relationship
2. A woman makes a decision to be in a polygamous relationship, if she has been lied to then she can contact an Islamic council and have her marriage annulled because she was lied to.

What seems to be the issue, here?

Again, I don't know the specifics of Rashid Khan and his scenario at all and I also don't know his practice (or lack of it) of Islam.

I don’t know where you’re getting your “very common” information from. I have plenty of Pakistani friends and acquaintances but none of them has multiple wives. Polygamy is illegal - enforcement may vary between states.

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No, a man living in the United States cannot legally have multiple wives. Polygamy is prohibited under both federal and state laws across the entire country.

Legal Overview of Polygamy in the U.S.

• Federal Law: The Edmunds Act of 1882 criminalizes bigamy (marrying someone while already legally married to another). Violations can result in fines and up to five years in prison 9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1.
• State Laws: All 50 states, the District of Columbia, and U.S. territories like Guam and Puerto Rico have laws that ban polygamy or bigamy 9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1.
• Marriage Recognition: U.S. law only recognizes monogamous marriages. Even if someone has multiple spouses in a religious or cultural context, only one marriage can be legally recognized at a time 9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1.


Enforcement and Exceptions

• Enforcement Variability: While polygamy is illegal, enforcement varies. Some states rarely prosecute unless other crimes (e.g., abuse, fraud) are involved 9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1.
• Religious or Cultural Practice: Some communities, such as certain fundamentalist Mormon groups, practice polygamy informally. These unions are not legally recognized and can still expose individuals to legal risk 9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1.
• Civil Rights Challenges: There have been legal debates about whether anti-polygamy laws infringe on religious freedom, but courts have consistently upheld the bans, distinguishing between belief and practice (e.g., Reynolds v. United States, 1879) 9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1.


In short, while some individuals may live in polygamous arrangements informally, no man can legally marry multiple women in the U.S. at the same time without violating the law.

For the 2nd-3rd time!

Bigamy is illegal in US and most countries around the world.

Having multiple relationship is not illegal anywhere. To make you understand at a very basic level imagine:

1. A man is legally married to a wife
2. A man then has an affair with another woman

Is 2 illegal? Which state?

I am not talking about the aftermath of wife divorcing him due to him having an affair, but the act itself is not illegal!

I don't understand how some are so dense on this forum!

Again to make you understand at your low-IQ level.

If someone was having an affair would they tell the world about it? OR would they hide it???

 

[charlie007]

I don't think you should mock these Hindu beliefs. If they are happy that their mother or wives has multiple partners then who are we to judge them?

Thanks to esteemed posters on PP I have learned a lot about Sanatani attitudes to intimacy. Things we consider forbidden like homosexuality, bisexuality, prostitution and polyandry are things cherished and respected in their tradition, even seen as providing social service. Similarly things we consider normal like polygamy, gender segregation etc is seen as regressive to them.

Live and let live bro.

If you rely on a public forum or social media to obtain knowledge about any religion including Hinduism and Islam, or really anything that you deem important, you should review your thought process. People’s opinions or personal beliefs should never be taken as truth.

Haven’t you seen enough debates around where to prove their points people will say just about anything, including something totally wrong or half truths?

I don’t typically respond to everyone that says something because I have lost the patience to argue with them, but I see you as a poster with a reasonable mind who’s amenable to alternate points of view, regardless of whether you agree with them; that’s why I only responded to you. You can take it or leave it, it’s all good.

 

[charlie007]

I do not understand your perspective at all.

Polygamy is permissible in Islam like millions of other permissible matters, it is neither mandatory, nor virtuous, nor meritorious.

Eating Pineapple is also permissible and those who want to eat it, can eat it.
​

1. A man makes a decision to be in a polygamous relationship
2. A woman makes a decision to be in a polygamous relationship, if she has been lied to then she can contact an Islamic council and have her marriage annulled because she was lied to.

What seems to be the issue, here?

Again, I don't know the specifics of Rashid Khan and his scenario at all and I also don't know his practice (or lack of it) of Islam.

For the 2nd-3rd time!

Bigamy is illegal in US and most countries around the world.

Having multiple relationship is not illegal anywhere. To make you understand at a very basic level imagine:

1. A man is legally married to a wife
2. A man then has an affair with another woman

Is 2 illegal? Which state?

I am not talking about the aftermath of wife divorcing him due to him having an affair, but the act itself is not illegal!

I don't understand how some are so dense on this forum!

Again to make you understand at your low-IQ level.

If someone was having an affair would they tell the world about it? OR would they hide it???

I don’t know what you’re arguing about! And you need to calm down and discuss on the points rather than getting worked up and begin name calling. I know you’re better than that. You don’t know me enough to determine what IQ I have.

Read my post again and see if I said having multiple relationships is illegal. It’s a moral issue, not legal. What I said was that in the US, it is illegal to have more than one wife (bigamy, polygamy). If the states want to come after you, they have a legal basis to do that. But they typically don’t because they have more pressing issues to worry about, unless they get some official complaint for another legal issue.

 

[tiger_khan]

I don’t think that is true, no one gets celebrated for having mistresses, is Bill Clinton celebrated for that? In your mayor story itself the recent most Mayor of Toronto had to resign..
There is no celebration when Men cheat on their women, if it is then the society has failed anyway..

You have a right to your opinion but we are literally living in an era where a person known to have slept with a porn star has been re-elected as the US President. He also has multiple sexual harassment cases against him.

A disgraced New York Governor who sexually harassed women was able to gather money and run for a Mayoral election. He got 41% of the popular vote

Bill Clinton who had an affair with an intern decades younger than him, is still celebrated in political gatherings and his political endorsements are sought by contemporary politicians

All these men were married when they did their deeds.


Lastly, the main reason that the recent Toronto mayor resigned was not because he ad an extramarital affair.
He resigned because he was telling others to physically stay away from each other and follow the COVID rules.
While he was preaching others to avoid contact, he was sleeping with his own staff.

There were many in Toronto who reluctantly followed the COVID rules. Many lost their jobs because they chose not to be vaccinated. The outcry against the Mayor was not because of his extramarital affair but because of his COVID hypocrisy

 

[LordJames]

I don’t know what you’re arguing about! And you need to calm down and discuss on the points rather than getting worked up and begin name calling. I know you’re better than that. You don’t know me enough to determine what IQ I have.

Read my post again and see if I said having multiple relationships is illegal. It’s a moral issue, not legal. What I said was that in the US, it is illegal to have more than one wife (bigamy, polygamy). If the states want to come after you, they have a legal basis to do that. But they typically don’t because they have more pressing issues to worry about, unless they get some official complaint for another legal issue.

Let me try again the 4th time at an even slower pace for dense people to comprehend.

Polygamy does not equal two "legal" wives.

Do you understand the simple statement and if you don't please clarify as to what you don't understand?

Polygamy (legally) can be:​

1. 1 official legally married wife and a relationship with another woman and another woman​
2. Relationship with multiple woman without any official or legal liason​

In Islam, a man and a woman just have to accept each other as husband/wife in front of 2 adult witnesses and they are "husband/wife" according to Islam.

No paperwork is needed
No ceremony is needed
No clergy is needed

There is nothing illegal about this in America or anywhere.

A person can live with someone for years without having any official relationship solemnized in any kind of civil Institution

Lastly, why would someone advertise to the world about their relationships?

Once again, for dense people.​

1. A person can be legally married to a wife​
2. The person can then have an affair on the side.​

2 is not a crime in any state in America! No state can come after you because your relationship is not solemnized, 1 relationship or 2 or 3.​

Bigamy is a crime in America and the west which is to solemnize a legal marriage with two (or more) woman at the same time. There are plenty of Christians and Muslims in America in polygamous relationships, yes it does also happen among Christians.

I can be Islamically married to X and she & I accept each other as husband/wife in front of @KingKhanWC and @Suleiman and we are done in Islam.

 

[IronShield]

Let me try again the 4th time at an even slower pace for dense people to comprehend.

Polygamy does not equal two "legal" wives.

Do you understand the simple statement and if you don't please clarify as to what you don't understand?

Polygamy (legally) can be:​

1. 1 official legally married wife and a relationship with another woman and another woman​
2. Relationship with multiple woman without any official or legal liason​

In Islam, a man and a woman just have to accept each other as husband/wife in front of 2 adult witnesses and they are "husband/wife" according to Islam.

No paperwork is needed
No ceremony is needed
No clergy is needed

There is nothing illegal about this in America or anywhere.

A person can live with someone for years without having any official relationship solemnized in any kind of civil Institution

Lastly, why would someone advertise to the world about their relationships?

Once again, for dense people.​

1. A person can be legally married to a wife​
2. The person can then have an affair on the side.​

2 is not a crime in any state in America! No state can come after you because your relationship is not solemnized, 1 relationship or 2 or 3.​

Bigamy is a crime in America and the west which is to solemnize a legal marriage with two (or more) woman at the same time. There are plenty of Christians and Muslims in America in polygamous relationships, yes it does also happen among Christians.

I can be Islamically married to X and she & I accept each other as husband/wife in front of @KingKhanWC and @Suleiman and we are done in Islam.

Simple distinction is this.

In Islam, you can marry with just witnesses, you do need state approval technically. But you will have to have it registered at some point for the state to know that you are married.

In the west, you need state approved body and or church approval for it be a valid marriage and they do not allow polygamy. Therefore you really have to deceive someone and the church/state to marry whilst not being divorced.

The way it works in the west for muslims that want more than one wife is that in the eyes of the law, you have one wife that you are already married to and second is considered a partner (as if you were having an affair) without any legal rights unless she has Children with that man. In the eyes of the law, they will have been born out of wedlock.

 

[LordJames]

Simple distinction is this.

In Islam, you can marry with just witnesses, you do need state approval technically. But you will have to have it registered at some point for the state to know that you are married.

In the west, you need state approved body and or church approval for it be a valid marriage and they do not allow polygamy. Therefore you really have to deceive someone and the church/state to marry whilst not being divorced.

The way it works in the west for muslims that want more than one wife is that in the eyes of the law, you have one wife that you are already married to and second is considered a partner (as if you were having an affair) without any legal rights unless she has Children with that man. In the eyes of the law, they will have been born out of wedlock.

You do not.

Your "Islamic wife" is classified as a partner for tax and other purposes, she has no access to Medical Insurance through your employment etc.

I am not arguing whether this is an ideal arrangement or not, I am stating that it is absolutely possible and common for many people to be "Islamically married" with no legal recognition and there is nothing wrong with it on a Federal or State level.

 

[charlie007]

Let me try again the 4th time at an even slower pace for dense people to comprehend.

Polygamy does not equal two "legal" wives.

Do you understand the simple statement and if you don't please clarify as to what you don't understand?

Polygamy (legally) can be:​

1. 1 official legally married wife and a relationship with another woman and another woman​
2. Relationship with multiple woman without any official or legal liason​

In Islam, a man and a woman just have to accept each other as husband/wife in front of 2 adult witnesses and they are "husband/wife" according to Islam.

No paperwork is needed
No ceremony is needed
No clergy is needed

There is nothing illegal about this in America or anywhere.

A person can live with someone for years without having any official relationship solemnized in any kind of civil Institution

Lastly, why would someone advertise to the world about their relationships?

Once again, for dense people.​

1. A person can be legally married to a wife​
2. The person can then have an affair on the side.​

2 is not a crime in any state in America! No state can come after you because your relationship is not solemnized, 1 relationship or 2 or 3.​

Bigamy is a crime in America and the west which is to solemnize a legal marriage with two (or more) woman at the same time. There are plenty of Christians and Muslims in America in polygamous relationships, yes it does also happen among Christians.

I can be Islamically married to X and she & I accept each other as husband/wife in front of @KingKhanWC and @Suleiman and we are done in Islam.

Calling me dense does not change the facts. Behaving like this doesn't reflect well on you, it doesn't do anything to me.

Your whole argument is based on the definition of polygamy.

1. You said (legally) - "Polygamy does not equal two "legal" wives."

- It absolutely does!! You legally have only one WIFE, the others have no spousal rights. When you die, if you don't have a will, your first WIFE will rightfully get all your property, your other "wives" will have nothing from the inheritance.

Here are some LEGAL definitions of polygamy:

The US law defines polygamy as the act of marrying more than one person at the same time, and the Supreme Court has upheld its criminalization-even when practiced for religious reasons. Polygamy is illegal in all 50 U.S. states, and bigamy—marrying someone while already legally married—is a criminal offense under both federal and state laws.

Polygamy is the practice of having more than one spouse at the same time. Polygamy as a crime originated in the common law, and it is now outlawed in every state. In the United States, polygamy was declared unlawful through the passing of Edmunds Anti-Polygamy Act of 1882.

polygamy

www.law.cornell.edu

Since you already know that Polygamy is illegal in the US, let me talk about your second point:

"2. The person can then have an affair on the side."
​

This is not called polygamy. This type of a relationship is called Polyamory, which is just a relational philosophy and not a legal status. A simple Google search will tell you.

I am not judging you or anyone who has multiple wives. You are free to do what your religion allows (or doesn't for that matter), who am I to say anything! I'm just educating you on the terms that you are incorrectly using.

Next time, please be patient, respectful, and be open to learn. Nobody knows everything and there is nothing wrong in learning anything new or admitting when you might have been mistaken.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

@charlie007 some of the things you have listed is why I am against polygamy in the west. Based on my own analysis and not scholarly opinion - if one wife is "legal" and has all the paperwork in western country and the other is essentially hidden from the state then it goes against the principles of justice and equality that the Qur'an mandates for polygamy. If you die in the west one wife will have legal claim to your estate, and the other none. One set of children is product of 'legal" marriage and the other is essentially in Western legal terms product of relations with side chick. There is no justice or equality here between the multiple wives. It is ripe for manipulation and exploitation.

This is my own analysis of the matter and not based on opinion of scholars. But it doesn't sit right with me

 

[LordJames]

Calling me dense does not change the facts. Behaving like this doesn't reflect well on you, it doesn't do anything to me.

Your whole argument is based on the definition of polygamy.

1. You said (legally) - "Polygamy does not equal two "legal" wives."

- It absolutely does!! You legally have only one WIFE, the others have no spousal rights. When you die, if you don't have a will, your first WIFE will rightfully get all your property, your other "wives" will have nothing from the inheritance.

Here are some LEGAL definitions of polygamy:

The US law defines polygamy as the act of marrying more than one person at the same time, and the Supreme Court has upheld its criminalization-even when practiced for religious reasons. Polygamy is illegal in all 50 U.S. states, and bigamy—marrying someone while already legally married—is a criminal offense under both federal and state laws.

Polygamy is the practice of having more than one spouse at the same time. Polygamy as a crime originated in the common law, and it is now outlawed in every state. In the United States, polygamy was declared unlawful through the passing of Edmunds Anti-Polygamy Act of 1882.

polygamy

www.law.cornell.edu

Since you already know that Polygamy is illegal in the US, let me talk about your second point:

"2. The person can then have an affair on the side."
​

This is not called polygamy. This type of a relationship is called Polyamory, which is just a relational philosophy and not a legal status. A simple Google search will tell you.

I am not judging you or anyone who has multiple wives. You are free to do what your religion allows (or doesn't for that matter), who am I to say anything! I'm just educating you on the terms that you are incorrectly using.

Next time, please be patient, respectful, and be open to learn. Nobody knows everything and there is nothing wrong in learning anything new or admitting when you might have been mistaken.

Dear @charlie007

It is literally 4 to 5 times I have repeated the same thing in the same thread and I have gone back and consistently written the words "relationships" from first mention onwards. I have not claimed "Polygamy" in the legal sense anywhere in multiple posts but tried to make the same point over and over and over again.

CDC states that there were 1,440,031 live births to unmarried women in US in 2023 so there is no Federal or state law in US which states that a person has to "marry" someone in a legal union whether it is a singular woman or multiple women.

There are exact words and clear examples repeatedly again and people still insist on making a point which I am not even implying.

1. Polygamy in the Islamic sense
2. Relationships with multiple women in the popular sense
3. Polyamory in the linguistic sense

is found among Muslims of all ethnicities (and origins) in America including those from Pakistan and also among Christians. This is not something which people are going to discuss commonly with others and many times not even with their own children.

@charlie007 some of the things you have listed is why I am against polygamy in the west. Based on my own analysis and not scholarly opinion - if one wife is "legal" and has all the paperwork in western country and the other is essentially hidden from the state then it goes against the principles of justice and equality that the Qur'an mandates for polygamy. If you die in the west one wife will have legal claim to your estate, and the other none. One set of children is product of 'legal" marriage and the other is essentially in Western legal terms product of relations with side chick. There is no justice or equality here between the multiple wives. It is ripe for manipulation and exploitation.

This is my own analysis of the matter and not based on opinion of scholars. But it doesn't sit right with me

Another common occurrence and men with multiple "wives" die in the West all the time, you have reservations about a practise which is permissible in Islam and that's fine.

There are many ways to deal with this in Islamic Wasiyah, maybe you do know and maybe you don't.

But all of the scenarios which you guys are discussing happens in Mosques and Islamic Centers across the west routinely.

Inheriting to/from disbelievers is also an issue in the West which routinely comes up (Reverts from Parents or vice versa), burial of Reverts where non-Muslim family objects etc...

Nothing new and nothing uncommon.

Bottom line:

1. 1st wife knows and is involved in the process
2. 2nd wife knows and is involved in the process
3. Man obviously knows and is involved in the process

Then, I understand that you have reservations about polygamy but has no impact on the actual parties involved.

Nothing discussed so far is anything new which doesn't happen or doesn't come up, people sit down, discuss and resolve.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Calling me dense does not change the facts. Behaving like this doesn't reflect well on you, it doesn't do anything to me.

Your whole argument is based on the definition of polygamy.

1. You said (legally) - "Polygamy does not equal two "legal" wives."

- It absolutely does!! You legally have only one WIFE, the others have no spousal rights. When you die, if you don't have a will, your first WIFE will rightfully get all your property, your other "wives" will have nothing from the inheritance.

Here are some LEGAL definitions of polygamy:

The US law defines polygamy as the act of marrying more than one person at the same time, and the Supreme Court has upheld its criminalization-even when practiced for religious reasons. Polygamy is illegal in all 50 U.S. states, and bigamy—marrying someone while already legally married—is a criminal offense under both federal and state laws.

Polygamy is the practice of having more than one spouse at the same time. Polygamy as a crime originated in the common law, and it is now outlawed in every state. In the United States, polygamy was declared unlawful through the passing of Edmunds Anti-Polygamy Act of 1882.

polygamy

www.law.cornell.edu

Since you already know that Polygamy is illegal in the US, let me talk about your second point:

"2. The person can then have an affair on the side."
​

This is not called polygamy. This type of a relationship is called Polyamory, which is just a relational philosophy and not a legal status. A simple Google search will tell you.

I am not judging you or anyone who has multiple wives. You are free to do what your religion allows (or doesn't for that matter), who am I to say anything! I'm just educating you on the terms that you are incorrectly using.

Next time, please be patient, respectful, and be open to learn. Nobody knows everything and there is nothing wrong in learning anything new or admitting when you might have been mistaken.

"Lord" is consistently making strawman arguments, missing the point and attacking posters. He is a good poster in general, I dont blame him but there is over reliance on his part as he posts via ChatGPT.

 

[charlie007]

@charlie007 some of the things you have listed is why I am against polygamy in the west. Based on my own analysis and not scholarly opinion - if one wife is "legal" and has all the paperwork in western country and the other is essentially hidden from the state then it goes against the principles of justice and equality that the Qur'an mandates for polygamy. If you die in the west one wife will have legal claim to your estate, and the other none. One set of children is product of 'legal" marriage and the other is essentially in Western legal terms product of relations with side chick. There is no justice or equality here between the multiple wives. It is ripe for manipulation and exploitation.

This is my own analysis of the matter and not based on opinion of scholars. But it doesn't sit right with me

In the West, you have to be educated about it. They are not Islamic countries and Islamic laws don't apply here, so it's up to the individual on how they want to manage such situations. However, what the law does not mandate is how after death the property (everything that the husband owns) is divided among the survivors, so the prudent thing would be to consult an Islamic lawyer who understands this and can advise on the best options available. A "will" will definitely be one of the things. I'm pretty sure these questions would have been asked before.
I agree with you, it's prone to unwanted injustices and definitely needs careful and active management - at the end of the day you understand it's your family and even if the law doesn't recognize your other wives, you definitely do!

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Dear @charlie007

It is literally 4 to 5 times I have repeated the same thing in the same thread and I have gone back and consistently written the words "relationships" from first mention onwards. I have not claimed "Polygamy" in the legal sense anywhere in multiple posts but tried to make the same point over and over and over again.

CDC states that there were 1,440,031 live births to unmarried women in US in 2023 so there is no Federal or state law in US which states that a person has to "marry" someone in a legal union whether it is a singular woman or multiple women.

There are exact words and clear examples repeatedly again and people still insist on making a point which I am not even implying.

1. Polygamy in the Islamic sense
2. Relationships with multiple women in the popular sense
3. Polyamory in the linguistic sense

is found among Muslims of all ethnicities (and origins) in America including those from Pakistan and also among Christians. This is not something which people are going to discuss commonly with others and many times not even with their own children.


Another common occurrence and men with multiple "wives" die in the West all the time, you have reservations about a practise which is permissible in Islam and that's fine.

There are many ways to deal with this in Islamic Wasiyah, maybe you do know and maybe you don't.

But all of the scenarios which you guys are discussing happens in Mosques and Islamic Centers across the west routinely.

Inheriting to/from disbelievers is also an issue in the West which routinely comes up (Reverts from Parents or vice versa), burial of Reverts where non-Muslim family objects etc...

Nothing new and nothing uncommon.

Bottom line:

1. 1st wife knows and is involved in the process
2. 2nd wife knows and is involved in the process
3. Man obviously knows and is involved in the process

Then, I understand that you have reservations about polygamy but has no impact on the actual parties involved.

Nothing discussed so far is anything new which doesn't happen or doesn't come up, people sit down, discuss and resolve.

Whether the wives knows and is involved in the process is irrelevant.

If a man gets involved from 10 wives and married all ten and it doesn't impact on the parties, it doesn't make it permissable on this basis.

The Sharia is clear.

It must conform with the Sharia guidelines of justice , fairness and equality.

The second wife is automatically unequal in western society no matter how many loopholes are invented.

Imo if someone wishes to practice polygamy in western country the fairest method should be to not register any of the marriages with the state. Have 4 nikkahs.