Afghan cricketer Rashid Khan marries for the second time in 14 months

[LordJames]

In the West, you have to be educated about it. They are not Islamic countries and Islamic laws don't apply here, so it's up to the individual on how they want to manage such situations. However, what the law does not mandate is how after death the property (everything that the husband owns) is divided among the survivors, so the prudent thing would be to consult an Islamic lawyer who understands this and can advise on the best options available. A "will" will definitely be one of the things. I'm pretty sure these questions would have been asked before.
I agree with you, it's prone to unwanted injustices and definitely needs careful and active management - at the end of the day you understand it's your family and even if the law doesn't recognize your other wives, you definitely do!

First of all, please accept my apology. I have been trying to say the same thing to so many people that I didn't really you were something new to the discussion.

I am sincerely Sorry.

Questions are always asked.

Before Nikah, it is common to discuss many issues including but not limited to:

1. Both families
2. Time distribution
3. Financial distribution
4. Will & Inheritance

But do understand that relationships do ebb and flow so I have sat through a Mosque case in which two wives who knew about each other for 12 years and then the first (legal wife) sued during execution of certain parts of the will to prevent some of the money going to the second one and under oath denied that she knew anything about the second, basically she lied under oath.

There is no "second" wife legally but she denied the knowledge of an "affair" and there are no legal protections or automatic right of inheritance to a mistress etc in VA (I think it was VA...) the husband had transferred the deeds of an apartment and title of the vehicle to her so that of course couldn't have been challenged but I am not sure what happened to some Cash that he was gifting to the second wife.

The "Imam" gave advice to the first wife that she knew about this and lying under oath carries severe penalty in Islam but she still decided to lie. The Attorneys (from either side) didn't discuss the case with us so I don't know full details.

Conversely, I have also sat through a case where the first wife who voluntarily shared inheritance with the second when it was found that husband had not had a chance to balance it between his two "Islamic wives"​

 

[charlie007]

Dear @charlie007

It is literally 4 to 5 times I have repeated the same thing in the same thread and I have gone back and consistently written the words "relationships" from first mention onwards. I have not claimed "Polygamy" in the legal sense anywhere in multiple posts but tried to make the same point over and over and over again.

CDC states that there were 1,440,031 live births to unmarried women in US in 2023 so there is no Federal or state law in US which states that a person has to "marry" someone in a legal union whether it is a singular woman or multiple women.

There are exact words and clear examples repeatedly again and people still insist on making a point which I am not even implying.

1. Polygamy in the Islamic sense
2. Relationships with multiple women in the popular sense
3. Polyamory in the linguistic sense

is found among Muslims of all ethnicities (and origins) in America including those from Pakistan and also among Christians. This is not something which people are going to discuss commonly with others and many times not even with their own children.


Another common occurrence and men with multiple "wives" die in the West all the time, you have reservations about a practise which is permissible in Islam and that's fine.

There are many ways to deal with this in Islamic Wasiyah, maybe you do know and maybe you don't.

But all of the scenarios which you guys are discussing happens in Mosques and Islamic Centers across the west routinely.

Inheriting to/from disbelievers is also an issue in the West which routinely comes up (Reverts from Parents or vice versa), burial of Reverts where non-Muslim family objects etc...

Nothing new and nothing uncommon.

Bottom line:

1. 1st wife knows and is involved in the process
2. 2nd wife knows and is involved in the process
3. Man obviously knows and is involved in the process

Then, I understand that you have reservations about polygamy but has no impact on the actual parties involved.

Nothing discussed so far is anything new which doesn't happen or doesn't come up, people sit down, discuss and resolve.

Firstly, I have absolutely no issues or reservations with anyone practicing polygamy, why should I, how does that affect me in any way? It doesn't and I respect people's religious inclinations and practices - live and let live is my personal philosophy. You'll probably not find too many people who are as open and accepting of diversity in views, practices, and personalities as I am. When I argue about something, it is based on facts and not just opinions. If I do say something that is my opinion, I say it explicitly.

I was correcting this:

[]Polygamy (legally) can be:[/]

1. []1 official legally married wife and a relationship with another woman and another woman[/]
2. []Relationship with multiple woman without any official or legal liason[/]

That point #2 is not considered polygamy. It is just polyamory.

I do feel it is a complicated thing to plan for in the West when the law does not support it. But then like you said these would have been discussed by those who follow it.

Thank you for being respectful and arguing the point of the discussion. It is very easy to be rude, but it takes a gentleman to take the harder path even if under stress and anger, so well done!

 

[charlie007]

First of all, please accept my apology. I have been trying to say the same thing to so many people that I didn't really you were something new to the discussion.

I am sincerely Sorry.

Questions are always asked.

Before Nikah, it is common to discuss many issues including but not limited to:

1. Both families
2. Time distribution
3. Financial distribution
4. Will & Inheritance

But do understand that relationships do ebb and flow so I have sat through a Mosque case in which two wives who knew about each other for 12 years and then the first (legal wife) sued during execution of certain parts of the will to prevent some of the money going to the second one and under oath denied that she knew anything about the second, basically she lied under oath.

There is no "second" wife legally but she denied the knowledge of an "affair" and there are no legal protections or automatic right of inheritance to a mistress etc in VA (I think it was VA...) the husband had transferred the deeds of an apartment and title of the vehicle to her so that of course couldn't have been challenged but I am not sure what happened to some Cash that he was gifting to the second wife.

The "Imam" gave advice to the first wife that she knew about this and lying under oath carries severe penalty in Islam but she still decided to lie. The Attorneys (from either side) didn't discuss the case with us so I don't know full details.

Conversely, I have also sat through a case where the first wife who voluntarily shared inheritance with the second when it was found that husband had not had a chance to balance it between his two "Islamic wives"​

You're good bro, no need to apologize. Thanks for explaining. Like I said, you have to plan for and manage the situation because the law doesn't support it, and if it is not legally decided there is no way the Imam or anyone else can do anything about it. That's why talking to a muslim lawyer who knows about the situation is important. A white lawyer might not be able to give you the best advice, and worst case, report you.

 

[charlie007]

Brother marriages are a personal matter. In some remote areas of India, even Polyandry and investors relationships are formally accepted. Besides we are the land of Kamasutra. We should have a broader view of multiple marriages and coitus.

That is not true. Hindu Marriage Act of 1955 makes any kind of bigamy illegal, including polyandry. Only Muslims are allowed polygyny (multiple wives) while polyandry is not allowed. Anyone who does not follow the above and gets reported will face legal action, so a few people who do follow it, keep it a well-guarded secret. It is not a common practice at all.

 

[LordJames]

Whether the wives knows and is involved in the process is irrelevant.

If a man gets involved from 10 wives and married all ten and it doesn't impact on the parties, it doesn't make it permissable on this basis.

The Sharia is clear.

It must conform with the Sharia guidelines of justice , fairness and equality.

The second wife is automatically unequal in western society no matter how many loopholes are invented.

Imo if someone wishes to practice polygamy in western country the fairest method should be to not register any of the marriages with the state. Have 4 nikkahs.

The "unequal nature" is well understood and there are processes to mitigate it and the parties involved know it and

Firstly, I have absolutely no issues or reservations with anyone practicing polygamy, why should I, how does that affect me in any way? It doesn't and I respect people's religious inclinations and practices - live and let live is my personal philosophy. You'll probably not find too many people who are as open and accepting of diversity in views, practices, and personalities as I am. When I argue about something, it is based on facts and not just opinions. If I do say something that is my opinion, I say it explicitly.

I was correcting this:



That point #2 is not considered polygamy. It is just polyamory.

I do feel it is a complicated thing to plan for in the West when the law does not support it. But then like you said these would have been discussed by those who follow it.

Thank you for being respectful and arguing the point of the discussion. It is very easy to be rude, but it takes a gentleman to take the harder path even if under stress and anger, so well done!

The argument didn't start from the post which you addressed but I acknowledge the issue which you are pointing out and I could have worded it better.

You're good bro, no need to apologize. Thanks for explaining. Like I said, you have to plan for and manage the situation because the law doesn't support it, and if it is not legally decided there is no way the Imam or anyone else can do anything about it. That's why talking to a muslim lawyer who knows about the situation is important. A white lawyer might not be able to give you the best advice, and worst case, report you.

You are kind.

People are free to do whatever they want, in many circumstances there are no substantial Assets in play to consider. In over 2 decades of exposure in US, Canada and Europe most cases of polygamy are mundane and most discussions revolve around daily finances and time distribution etc.

Let me pick my words judiciously

It is not uncommon among Pakistani Muslims, although may be less common then other Muslims of other ethnicities, it is commonplace among Reverts.

 

[Varun]

Only in Afghanistan.

+ only British Pakistanis would purport this.

I'm sure 100% of them on this thread have never been on a date.

 

[Hitman]

Any woman in today's age willing to share her husband with another woman is a retard. Likewise, any man willing to have more than one wife is a pathetic excuse of a human being.

I don't care about the practises of 100 years ago. I'm speaking of today's time.​

 

[BouncerGuy]

Any woman in today's age willing to share her husband with another woman is a retard. Likewise, any man willing to have more than one wife is a pathetic excuse of a human being.

I don't care about the practises of 100 years ago. I'm speaking of today's time.​

You have your own views...

 

[Hitman]

You have your own views...

Ask any civilised human being from any civilised society.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Ask any civilised human being from any civilised society.

How marrying 2 women is not civilized??? ?

 

[Hitman]

How marrying 2 women is not civilized??? ?

Being married to 2 women at the same time in today's age? I've got my answer. No further response from me.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Being married to 2 women at the same time in today's age? I've got my answer. No further response from me.

Why??? tell me what is not civilized here... You have no response left... run boy...run

 

[Hitman]

Why??? tell me what is not civilized here... You have no response left... run boy...run

Yea, I have run away. Try asking this question to someone from the civilized world, you'll get your answer.

Can't believe anyone with 2 brain cells would try justifying multiple wives for a man in today's age.​

 

[BouncerGuy]

Yea, I have run away. Try asking this question to someone from the civilized world, you'll get your answer.

Can't believe anyone with 2 brain cells would try justifying multiple wives for a man in today's age.​

Who is gonna judge what is civilized and what is not.... how can marriage be an uncivilized thing??

Getting inspiration from West?

 

[Theo_14]

If he is financially stable (in Rashid’s case, super stable) and he is fair, just and proportionate in meeting the needs and rights of his first and 2nd wife then I don’t see why us grown men should be even entertaining this topic.

I would have expected this topic to be spoken about by women on TikTok.

Also on principle, you have men having secret affairs or open affairs, and are sly to the media and their fans, but here you have Rashid openly and honestly declaring a lawful and halal marriage.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Who is gonna judge what is civilized and what is not.... how can marriage be an uncivilized thing??

Getting inspiration from West?

If he was getting inspiration from the west he would have no problem with a man having multiple women but that would just be for sexual relation, not marriage.

 

[Suleiman]

Came across this.

This is what “extreme” actually looks like

 

[Hikaru]

Who is gonna judge what is civilized and what is not.... how can marriage be an uncivilized thing??

Getting inspiration from West?

Muslims do, don't they?

It's still a marriage if a Muslim woman marries multiple men, but the judgement is clearly against that, isn't it?

 

[Hitman]

Who is gonna judge what is civilized and what is not.... how can marriage be an uncivilized thing??

Getting inspiration from West?

Marriage isn't an uncivilised thing. Having multiple wives or multiple husbands at the same time is.

 

[sweep_shot]

Came across this.

This is what “extreme” actually looks like

LOL!

This is too much.

 

[BouncerGuy]

It's still a marriage if a Muslim woman marries multiple men, but the judgement is clearly against that, isn't it?

Do you know the context why it is not allowed??? Read before you say anything stupid.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Marriage isn't an uncivilised thing. Having multiple wives or multiple husbands at the same time is.

Don't get too inspired by West where there is no concept of marriage... You can marry 1 woman.. your call.

 

[Hikaru]

Do you know the context why it is not allowed??? Read before you say anything stupid.

You asked how marriage can be an uncivilized thing, it clearly is based on the gender (correct me if Muslim women are extended the same privilege).

Reasons and context are for Muslims to follow, good for you, I don't care. I merely contradicted your statement. It's either a yes or no.

 

[BouncerGuy]

You asked how marriage can be an uncivilized thing, it clearly is based on the gender (correct me if Muslim women are extended the same privilege).

Reasons and context are for Muslims to follow, good for you, I don't care. I merely contradicted your statement. It's either a yes or no.

You have your own opinion... I have seen cases in India where a girl is married to 4-5 brothers at the same time in the name of culture....

 

[Hikaru]

You have your own opinion... I have seen cases in India where a girl is married to 4-5 brothers at the same time in the name of culture....

That's wrong but I am talking about your own statement.

You asked how a marriage can be uncivilized.

So I ask you, is it civilized if a Muslim woman married multiple men? That will be the answer to the question you yourself asked.

 

[CadPakFan]

Being married to 2 women at the same time in today's age? I've got my answer. No further response from me.

Well in the Western context, especially with the rise of the LGBTQ+ movement, marriage is becoming less common and open relationships are on the rise, many people have a problem with polygyny (men marrying multiple wives) but no problem with polyamory (partners having physical relationships with multiple people at the same time), it's seen as liberating and an expression of personal freedom and anyone who opposes polyamory is close-minded as it is someone's personal choice to do that. Of course that non-judgement isn't reserved for polygamy as that is a very oppressive, patriarchal practice that should be shunned right?

It's so oppressive how a man is supposed to meet a girl's family for the purpose of marriage and then take responsibility to vow to take care of all of her needs and give her money rather than requesting a dowry and give her the due rights of marriage while only marrying at the consent of the girl and her family rather than having one night stands with some mistresses and running away forever with no care. Such a backwards practice that really needs to be destroyed if we want to stay with the modern times.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Yea, I have run away. Try asking this question to someone from the civilized world, you'll get your answer.

Can't believe anyone with 2 brain cells would try justifying multiple wives for a man in today's age.​

It’s their culture dude. If all parties agreed and Rashid can take care of all of them, then who is anyone to question.

Rashid lives in an Islamic country. We all find strange things in other cultures. Be it dietary choices or religious rituals or marital practices and rituals. It’s their way of life.

Now if the first wife complains and Rashid abuses her and takes her to court or divorces her, then he deserves the criticism. Until then, it’s nobody’s business. Just my opinion.