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Lets face it - before Misbah and YK's retirement during this series, the last high profile retirement we had was Inzy's in 2007 (yes Akhtar also announced his retirement during the 2011 WC but that was in ODI's)

Come to think of it - MoYo never got such a farewell when his career was ended in 2010. No articles or hashtags or guard of honors or anything like that...

Tbh - it saddens me a bit how his career came to an end and got no recognition for his services.

Did he deserve better?
 
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Maybe it depends on public sentiment and also if he had said next game would be his last
 
Oh bhai, younis and misbah were not sitting out of the team and were specially called in for a farewell. They were current playing members who took retirement.


Yousuf last played test in 2010 england and one day international in uae against south africa. Yousuf was dropped(probably displinary) and was not a playing member

It should also be noted when yousuf was dropped, he did not indicate that he was retiring, he never said that. But at the same time he didnt play first class cricket due to his ego. The guy wanted to play international cricket but he was not willing to improve himself due to his inflated ego that just because he scored most runs in a calender year he was above first class and domestic cricket.

Anyways, without playing domestic the guy hoped for a call up, and he rightly never recieved one. Thus, he quietly took a retierement.

Now to bring him in for a special farewell match, misbah would never had allowed this under his watch and it would had been ridiculous.
 
Agree. Was such an injustice with Moyo.

How the hell is that injustice?

Was he a current playing member who took retirement?

Based on your theory, we should call up abdul razzaq, have afridi, also have akhtar and play an internatiomal odi game just for the sake of their retirement
 
MOYO's ego was too big but Ijaz Butt was the real culprit when he banned yk and moyo , moyo later showed a lot of immaturity and refused to show his form in domestic cricket. He blamed misbah for his misfortunes and all. Besides he never retired on the field..
 
MOYO's ego was too big but Ijaz Butt was the real culprit when he banned yk and moyo , moyo later showed a lot of immaturity and refused to show his form in domestic cricket. He blamed misbah for his misfortunes and all. Besides he never retired on the field..

Ijazz bhtt dealted with all these guys properly.

Yousuf and younis should had known their places. Yousuf particularly had a big ego.

The best thing ijazz did was the show cause notice for speaking to media. Every player had to think twice before uttering a word.
Because of ijazz butt many of these players kept in line, particularly shoaib akhtar.
 
Mohammad Yousuf never retired like Inzamam, Younis and Misbah. How would he get "something similar" when he hasn't been in the team for the longest time and no one knew if he was done for good when he played his last match for his country?

Same goes for Afridi and Ajmal. They did not retire and were instead dropped. Farewells can only be given when a great player announces beforehand that they will be playing their last match.
 
Pakistan should have given a few more OD to yousuf , he was just 274 runs away from getting 10 K runs in OD.

It would be nice to know two pakistan players crossed 10 K in OD
 
Yousaf was himself responsible for the humiliation he suffered towards the end of his career. From his ego driven jealous statements against the captain Malik to his professional indifference to cricket.

Agreed PCB is no gang of angels but You think Misbah and Younis have not had to deal with such challenges?


Had yousaf been a little tactful, he would have played longer to help himself, his team and country and retired with a little more grace. Now he will just be remembered mostly as a bitter old maulvi he had become towards the end of his career.
 
He should only blame himself for not getting a farewell. He went into play in the rebel league. Everything changed from there.
 
Lets face it - before Misbah and YK's retirement during this series, the last high profile retirement we had was Inzy's in 2007 (yes Akhtar also announced his retirement during the 2011 WC but that was in ODI's)

Come to think of it - MoYo never got such a farewell when his career was ended in 2010. No articles or hashtags or guard of honors or anything like that...

Tbh - it saddens me a bit how his career came to an end and got no recognition for his services.

Did he deserve better?


Short Ans. Yes.
 
He also only need 280 runs to be the first Pak player to get to 10k odi runs.

Considering how awful our odi team was ( and still is) it was stupid to axe him as quick as we did, especially so team man could loose pak more games
 
Nope. I'm so happy this loser was thrown out. Truly deserved everything that came his way.
 
No. If you want a gracious send off then go out on your terms not after you've been dropped.
 
Hes only got himself to blame for not staying fit. There's no reason he couldn't have comeback like Misbah and YK if he had stayed fit and scored runs in domestic cricket.
 
He deserved it.He was a better player than Misbah.Pakistan dropped a classy player like him from the team and introduced some other batsmen who is not even qualified even to tie his shoelaces.Pakistan enters into the era of tuk tuk both in tests and ODI and torture continues for the fans.
 
Oh bhai, younis and misbah were not sitting out of the team and were specially called in for a farewell. They were current playing members who took retirement.


Yousuf last played test in 2010 england and one day international in uae against south africa. Yousuf was dropped(probably displinary) and was not a playing member

It should also be noted when yousuf was dropped, he did not indicate that he was retiring, he never said that. But at the same time he didnt play first class cricket due to his ego. The guy wanted to play international cricket but he was not willing to improve himself due to his inflated ego that just because he scored most runs in a calender year he was above first class and domestic cricket.

Anyways, without playing domestic the guy hoped for a call up, and he rightly never recieved one. Thus, he quietly took a retierement.

Now to bring him in for a special farewell match, misbah would never had allowed this under his watch and it would had been ridiculous.

He played County cricket in 2011.

A century of rare class from Mohammad Yousuf earned Warwickshire the initiative on the first day of their Championship match against Worcestershire at Edgbaston.
From cricinfo.
Yousuf, defying a treacherous pitch quite unsuited for this level of cricket, gave a masterful demonstration of batting to record the 30th century of his first-class career. So fine an innings was this that Ashley Giles, hardly one prone to hyperbole, described it as "the best I've seen in difficult conditions." It was, in Giles' words "proper class."

Warwickshire may come to be very grateful for Yousuf's contribution. Not only did he make these runs in adversity, but they may have saved the club from a penalty far greater than a difficult match situation.
 
He should only blame himself for not getting a farewell. He went into play in the rebel league. Everything changed from there.

So did Inzy but he got far better treatment and was regarded as a legend (until he became chief selector lolO
 
The problem is that some of our so called legends don't announce their retirement so how can they expect a proper farewell.

Some retire 7 times and keep coming back. How can the PCB give them farewells?
 
If only he had not been arrogant. I mean, got injured, got fit, asked to play a couple of fc matches to show his fitness, too big a name to do so, and then become a pundit on tv, criticizing everything and everyone and to be honest, I don't think he has officially announced retirement anyway.
 
The problem is that some of our so called legends don't announce their retirement so how can they expect a proper farewell.

Some retire 7 times and keep coming back. How can the PCB give them farewells?

LOL this did make me chuckle!

But the point is MoYo was dropped and did not get to retire on his own terms after the SAF series in 2010.

Had PCB selected him for the NZ tour in 2010/11 and made it absolutely clear that he has to retire now - he would have been treated as a legend by the pundits, players and the media.

Similarly, there is no way Misbah and YK were not pressurized by the PCB to retire after the WI series. Had they not retired - PCB would have kicked them out.

Maybe a similar strategy should have been done for MoYo :13:
 
He should only blame himself for not getting a farewell. He went into play in the rebel league. Everything changed from there.

It was the 2010 post spot fixing scandal the SA tour to UAE, misbah's first series as captain where all of them looked for a formidable lineup in the middle order with the return of YOUNIS, YOUSUF and MISBAH.. Surprisingly the captaincy went to MISBAH... Yousuf was done by his ego and fitness... He picked up quite a few injuries in training sessionS just before the TEST series in that SA tour of UAE.. MISBAH didnt want an injury prone player yousuf to be back, which kept him out... MISBAH drawing that tough SA series down under and YOUSUF's reluctance to work hard on fitness and his ego to not play domestic made him done forever...Actually MISBAH lived his time in the team with much better fitness, attitude, zero ego and consistent performance with the bat and as captain where even MYK didnt get a chance ever to captain again which he tried to till the end of his career today.....
 
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He played County cricket in 2011.

A century of rare class from Mohammad Yousuf earned Warwickshire the initiative on the first day of their Championship match against Worcestershire at Edgbaston.
From cricinfo.
Yousuf, defying a treacherous pitch quite unsuited for this level of cricket, gave a masterful demonstration of batting to record the 30th century of his first-class career. So fine an innings was this that Ashley Giles, hardly one prone to hyperbole, described it as "the best I've seen in difficult conditions." It was, in Giles' words "proper class."

Warwickshire may come to be very grateful for Yousuf's contribution. Not only did he make these runs in adversity, but they may have saved the club from a penalty far greater than a difficult match situation.

What about pakistani first class.
 
I suggest PCB gives one big farewell match to all those who have had multiple retirements over the years.
 
They were playing, scoring, participating till the very last moment, while MoYo was full of ego, not to mention his horrible fitness level.
 
His pedigree as a player certainly deserved, but the person MoYo doesn't. PCB can arrange something for him, but chances are that he'll create some issue even there. Extremely clumsy & self-centred personality.
 
Not a bad idea. Yousaf, Razzaq, afridi, rana naved, kaneria, Imran farhat, Imran Nazir, Yasir hameed, salman butt, asif, Faisal Iqbal should all be picked for an Odi series vs nepal and fiji and let kami captain them if he is willing to throw in the towel as well.

Now the only challenge is to get Nepal and Fiji to visit.
 
Oh bhai, younis and misbah were not sitting out of the team and were specially called in for a farewell. They were current playing members who took retirement.


Yousuf last played test in 2010 england and one day international in uae against south africa. Yousuf was dropped(probably displinary) and was not a playing member

It should also be noted when yousuf was dropped, he did not indicate that he was retiring, he never said that. But at the same time he didnt play first class cricket due to his ego. The guy wanted to play international cricket but he was not willing to improve himself due to his inflated ego that just because he scored most runs in a calender year he was above first class and domestic cricket.

Anyways, without playing domestic the guy hoped for a call up, and he rightly never recieved one. Thus, he quietly took a retierement.

Now to bring him in for a special farewell match, misbah would never had allowed this under his watch and it would had been ridiculous.

Oh bhai. Get your facts straight. In your blind Misbah love, you have always been so bitter towards Yousuf.

Yousuf was sent back from the UAE test series against South Africa late in 2010 on grounds of "poor fitness" -- he was in the squad -- and was never considered for the next series by a team management comprising Misbah and Waqar despite having decent numbers that year, Misbah in his insecurity and Waqar in his quest for "youngsters".

This, after a few turbulent months when he had players playing for the opposition in Australian tour, his subsequent ban from all cricket (when he even missed T20 WC which some other "banned" played did not) and surprise return in the middle of the English tour (when suddenly it dawned upon PCB that we need at least one experienced bat), where he was part of the group which had to endure traumatic match-fixing stress. After all this, he should have been given time to settle in the team and given confidence a country's great deserves, but he was unceremoniously sent back for an injury which wasn't even serious.

He never had "ego" for domestics. On return from UAE, he wanted to prove that he is still fit enough, and capable of scoring heavily, but politics and egos in captain and the team management there meant that he was not allowed to play the ongoing FC season (http://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/yousuf-leaves-domestic-side-after-rana-fallout-568963.html). There was no domestic FC season thereafter. Later, he scored a few fifties for Lahore Lions (meaning that he was fit again) in domestic OD cup, yet was snubbed from the world cup, in favour of the likes of Shafiq and Younis -- perpetual ODI failures, and from the Windies tour post-WC.

He didnt need domestics to "prove" to selectors back then that he is still good enough, but he played them, scored runs, proved fitness (on the pretext of which he was dropped), but was still ignored like Fawad Alam always is.

He continued playing county in 2011 (which he was during 2010 on which pretext he was recalled), was naturally totally dejected towards selectors, anyone at his stature will be, but when he publicly showed eagerness to return in 2012, he was asked by Iqbal Qasim to play domestics. Fine enough, he openly expressed he wants to play domestics in 2012, Dav Whatmore was interested in his selection as per reports, Yousuf even cleared a fitness test he gave alongside national players (on which basis he was dropped). To this Iqbal Qasim had this to say:

"He is training and that's what all players must do, but that doesn't mean he will be selected in the team," Qasim said. "If a coach is interested in a player he must convince the selection committee [first]."

Convince them by putting a gun barrel on them? We all know the relationship of the selectors and Dav during those times.

To add to this, he was literally barred from domestic FC competition that year, for lame excuses like “his name was not on the preliminary list Port Qasim Authority submitted us” (http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/590618.html)

Had the PCB sanctioned Yousuf's participation soon after his application was filed, he would have played the tournament from the fifth round onwards. The sixth round is currently underway, and thereafter there are three of nine rounds remaining, apart from the final.

That permission never arrived, to this day.

All this while Misbah never lobbied for his return, nor did anyone else in PCB.

He was allowed to play the Faisal Bank t20, Lahore Lions made him captain, but in strange turn of event, he relinquished captaincy to Hafeez, and was strangely dropped from the team in the next 2, 3 games of Lahore. (http://www.espncricinfo.com/faysal-2020cup-2012/content/story/594627.html)

Next year’s Quaide Azam trophy had no Yousuf as well, by that time he had perhaps moved on, became a pundit on Geo, and, naturally, very bitter towards Misbah and PCB.

All these years, all kinds of vitriol has been hurled against Yousuf, led by guys like Mamoon and MRNS, for being “bitter” and God knows what. Any sane person will be hell bitter after what he has had to bear 2010 onwards, muc more than what Yousuf is.

Send off or no send off, he has been hard-done-by by more than one person. Hope he is also involved (like Younis would be) somewhere in the U-19s or NCA as a give-back.
 
His pedigree as a player certainly deserved, but the person MoYo doesn't. PCB can arrange something for him, but chances are that he'll create some issue even there. Extremely clumsy & self-centred personality.

Not only that but PCB should have arranged a farewell for him and forced him to retire i.e. with Misbah and YK.
 
Oh bhai. Get your facts straight. In your blind Misbah love, you have always been so bitter towards Yousuf.

Yousuf was sent back from the UAE test series against South Africa late in 2010 on grounds of "poor fitness" -- he was in the squad -- and was never considered for the next series by a team management comprising Misbah and Waqar despite having decent numbers that year, Misbah in his insecurity and Waqar in his quest for "youngsters".

This, after a few turbulent months when he had players playing for the opposition in Australian tour, his subsequent ban from all cricket (when he even missed T20 WC which some other "banned" played did not) and surprise return in the middle of the English tour (when suddenly it dawned upon PCB that we need at least one experienced bat), where he was part of the group which had to endure traumatic match-fixing stress. After all this, he should have been given time to settle in the team and given confidence a country's great deserves, but he was unceremoniously sent back for an injury which wasn't even serious.

He never had "ego" for domestics. On return from UAE, he wanted to prove that he is still fit enough, and capable of scoring heavily, but politics and egos in captain and the team management there meant that he was not allowed to play the ongoing FC season (http://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/yousuf-leaves-domestic-side-after-rana-fallout-568963.html). There was no domestic FC season thereafter. Later, he scored a few fifties for Lahore Lions (meaning that he was fit again) in domestic OD cup, yet was snubbed from the world cup, in favour of the likes of Shafiq and Younis -- perpetual ODI failures, and from the Windies tour post-WC.

He didnt need domestics to "prove" to selectors back then that he is still good enough, but he played them, scored runs, proved fitness (on the pretext of which he was dropped), but was still ignored like Fawad Alam always is.

He continued playing county in 2011 (which he was during 2010 on which pretext he was recalled), was naturally totally dejected towards selectors, anyone at his stature will be, but when he publicly showed eagerness to return in 2012, he was asked by Iqbal Qasim to play domestics. Fine enough, he openly expressed he wants to play domestics in 2012, Dav Whatmore was interested in his selection as per reports, Yousuf even cleared a fitness test he gave alongside national players (on which basis he was dropped). To this Iqbal Qasim had this to say:

"He is training and that's what all players must do, but that doesn't mean he will be selected in the team," Qasim said. "If a coach is interested in a player he must convince the selection committee [first]."

Convince them by putting a gun barrel on them? We all know the relationship of the selectors and Dav during those times.

To add to this, he was literally barred from domestic FC competition that year, for lame excuses like “his name was not on the preliminary list Port Qasim Authority submitted us” (http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/590618.html)



That permission never arrived, to this day.

All this while Misbah never lobbied for his return, nor did anyone else in PCB.

He was allowed to play the Faisal Bank t20, Lahore Lions made him captain, but in strange turn of event, he relinquished captaincy to Hafeez, and was strangely dropped from the team in the next 2, 3 games of Lahore. (http://www.espncricinfo.com/faysal-2020cup-2012/content/story/594627.html)

Next year’s Quaide Azam trophy had no Yousuf as well, by that time he had perhaps moved on, became a pundit on Geo, and, naturally, very bitter towards Misbah and PCB.

All these years, all kinds of vitriol has been hurled against Yousuf, led by guys like Mamoon and MRNS, for being “bitter” and God knows what. Any sane person will be hell bitter after what he has had to bear 2010 onwards, muc more than what Yousuf is.

Send off or no send off, he has been hard-done-by by more than one person. Hope he is also involved (like Younis would be) somewhere in the U-19s or NCA as a give-back.

Wow did not know a lot of this.

In the SAF series - I think he pulled his groin right before the 1st Test. I don't think it was poor fitness per say.
 
Wow did not know a lot of this.

In the SAF series - I think he pulled his groin right before the 1st Test. I don't think it was poor fitness per say.

Right, but to not select him after recovering, and making runs, was grave injustice, both from Misbah, Waqar and the selection committee
 
Right, but to not select him after recovering, and making runs, was grave injustice, both from Misbah, Waqar and the selection committee

I agree - he could have been very productive in the 2011 WC over the likes of Kamran Akmal or Shafiq.

Very sad how his career ended - deserved much better.
 
Yusuf got screwed first by the islamaphobic morons lead by an American dentist..then by his own cricket people..he was and always will be a far more talented batter than our two legends..but dari his background and other things went against him..he deserved a true send off..
 
Oh bhai. Get your facts straight. In your blind Misbah love, you have always been so bitter towards Yousuf.

Yousuf was sent back from the UAE test series against South Africa late in 2010 on grounds of "poor fitness" -- he was in the squad -- and was never considered for the next series by a team management comprising Misbah and Waqar despite having decent numbers that year, Misbah in his insecurity and Waqar in his quest for "youngsters".

This, after a few turbulent months when he had players playing for the opposition in Australian tour, his subsequent ban from all cricket (when he even missed T20 WC which some other "banned" played did not) and surprise return in the middle of the English tour (when suddenly it dawned upon PCB that we need at least one experienced bat), where he was part of the group which had to endure traumatic match-fixing stress. After all this, he should have been given time to settle in the team and given confidence a country's great deserves, but he was unceremoniously sent back for an injury which wasn't even serious.

He never had "ego" for domestics. On return from UAE, he wanted to prove that he is still fit enough, and capable of scoring heavily, but politics and egos in captain and the team management there meant that he was not allowed to play the ongoing FC season (http://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/yousuf-leaves-domestic-side-after-rana-fallout-568963.html). There was no domestic FC season thereafter. Later, he scored a few fifties for Lahore Lions (meaning that he was fit again) in domestic OD cup, yet was snubbed from the world cup, in favour of the likes of Shafiq and Younis -- perpetual ODI failures, and from the Windies tour post-WC.

He didnt need domestics to "prove" to selectors back then that he is still good enough, but he played them, scored runs, proved fitness (on the pretext of which he was dropped), but was still ignored like Fawad Alam always is.

He continued playing county in 2011 (which he was during 2010 on which pretext he was recalled), was naturally totally dejected towards selectors, anyone at his stature will be, but when he publicly showed eagerness to return in 2012, he was asked by Iqbal Qasim to play domestics. Fine enough, he openly expressed he wants to play domestics in 2012, Dav Whatmore was interested in his selection as per reports, Yousuf even cleared a fitness test he gave alongside national players (on which basis he was dropped). To this Iqbal Qasim had this to say:

"He is training and that's what all players must do, but that doesn't mean he will be selected in the team," Qasim said. "If a coach is interested in a player he must convince the selection committee [first]."

Convince them by putting a gun barrel on them? We all know the relationship of the selectors and Dav during those times.

To add to this, he was literally barred from domestic FC competition that year, for lame excuses like “his name was not on the preliminary list Port Qasim Authority submitted us” (http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/590618.html)



That permission never arrived, to this day.

All this while Misbah never lobbied for his return, nor did anyone else in PCB.

He was allowed to play the Faisal Bank t20, Lahore Lions made him captain, but in strange turn of event, he relinquished captaincy to Hafeez, and was strangely dropped from the team in the next 2, 3 games of Lahore. (http://www.espncricinfo.com/faysal-2020cup-2012/content/story/594627.html)

Next year’s Quaide Azam trophy had no Yousuf as well, by that time he had perhaps moved on, became a pundit on Geo, and, naturally, very bitter towards Misbah and PCB.

All these years, all kinds of vitriol has been hurled against Yousuf, led by guys like Mamoon and MRNS, for being “bitter” and God knows what. Any sane person will be hell bitter after what he has had to bear 2010 onwards, muc more than what Yousuf is.

Send off or no send off, he has been hard-done-by by more than one person. Hope he is also involved (like Younis would be) somewhere in the U-19s or NCA as a give-back.
Oh bhai t20 isnt proper domestic cricket.


This guy had ego and didnt bother to play domestic. If he wanted to be back in the team. The proceduree was simplem go back to quiad e azam trophy and rack up runs and show that you have fitness and still good enough.

What was thenpoint lf playing english county? That would had made sense had he been a current playing member in the team. The guy was needed to prove himself and all he hsd to do was play quaid e azam trobut the problem is his ego was soo high that playing that tourny would had been an insult for him.

At the end he got what he deserve, if you dont wana prove yourself due to your ego then you deserve to have an abrupt end.
 
Oh bhai t20 isnt proper domestic cricket.


This guy had ego and didnt bother to play domestic. If he wanted to be back in the team. The proceduree was simplem go back to quiad e azam trophy and rack up runs and show that you have fitness and still good enough.

What was thenpoint lf playing english county? That would had made sense had he been a current playing member in the team. The guy was needed to prove himself and all he hsd to do was play quaid e azam trobut the problem is his ego was soo high that playing that tourny would had been an insult for him.

At the end he got what he deserve, if you dont wana prove yourself due to your ego then you deserve to have an abrupt end.

Did you even bother to read my post? Just blindly alleging his "ego", as if what he is a politician.

At what point did his so called "ego" not allow him to play domestics? Let me repeat for some people cant comprehend at first hand -- He was literally barred from playing domestic season 2010 by team management of Wapda, but played OD tournament thereafter. Was it not domestics? The OD tournament was enough to prove that he was fit enough, after which he should have been drafted back into both ODI and test teams.

The selectors kept rambling about "not knowing his fitness", but the fact was that he kept playing cricket of all forms till mid 2011, there was no FC tournament between his dropping, season 2010 which was ongoing when he was dropped and which he was not allowed to play, and mid 2011. He missed 2011 season of FC due to Haj and other personal reasons not known.

He joined the team in their fitness tests in 2012, and cleared the tests. Also expressed that he wants to play domestics or whatever selectors want from him to come back. He was not allowed to play 2012 Fc season as well. You even read the links where it is all stated. (references http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/562857.html, http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/590618.html, http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/591714.html)

Where's Yousuf's "ego" of not wishing to play domestics here? If anything, there was big ego of Iqbal Qasim and Misbah ul Haq (and initially Waqar) who on purpose wanted him not to return after dumping him from the South Africa series
 
Not only that but PCB should have arranged a farewell for him and forced him to retire i.e. with Misbah and YK.

MoYo is a clumsy guy - in everything, somehow he gets into trouble. He signed for ICL, when he was worlds top batsman, knowing that it might end his PAK career; more importantly, it'll block his IPL chances few months later. Then, PCB spent hefty amount in legal battle to clear him from his mess - within few months, he got into tango with them, because Misbah was picked for T20 WC (& Misbah deserved the call, he out performed most players in that tournament). He was sent from UAE on fitness, just after UK tour, in the month of OCT/NOV, with whole domestic season left for him to make a come back before NZ tour or WC - he smelled conspiracy, kept giving statements & eventually changed his FC team. But, the truth is, MoYo was genuinely unfit, which he never accepted. That same guy was one of the ring leaders of conspiracy against an appointed Captain. He used to play lots of club cricket in Dhaka & I believe at least once (or twice ?), he took signing money from multiple clubs (who then registered his name in players list) & got banned from the league for that season.

Today, he is a bitter man for anything & everything, because he does feel what mess he had done with his career - today, he should have been standing on what Misbah & YK achieved combined, as a batsman & Captain. It was his incompetence that Misbah came into the frame, otherwise MoYo should have been leading PAK in 2011 WC at least & in Test till 2015 - 25K+ International runs & close to 50 hundreds was awaiting for him. Officially, he is few months younger than Misbah.
 
MoYo is a clumsy guy - in everything, somehow he gets into trouble. He signed for ICL, when he was worlds top batsman, knowing that it might end his PAK career; more importantly, it'll block his IPL chances few months later. Then, PCB spent hefty amount in legal battle to clear him from his mess - within few months, he got into tango with them, because Misbah was picked for T20 WC (& Misbah deserved the call, he out performed most players in that tournament). He was sent from UAE on fitness, just after UK tour, in the month of OCT/NOV, with whole domestic season left for him to make a come back before NZ tour or WC - he smelled conspiracy, kept giving statements & eventually changed his FC team. But, the truth is, MoYo was genuinely unfit, which he never accepted. That same guy was one of the ring leaders of conspiracy against an appointed Captain. He used to play lots of club cricket in Dhaka & I believe at least once (or twice ?), he took signing money from multiple clubs (who then registered his name in players list) & got banned from the league for that season.

Today, he is a bitter man for anything & everything, because he does feel what mess he had done with his career - today, he should have been standing on what Misbah & YK achieved combined, as a batsman & Captain. It was his incompetence that Misbah came into the frame, otherwise MoYo should have been leading PAK in 2011 WC at least & in Test till 2015 - 25K+ International runs & close to 50 hundreds was awaiting for him. Officially, he is few months younger than Misbah.

Fair points but MoYo cannot himself be blamed for the Australian tour and in particular the Sydney debacle. Other players like Misbah, Umar Akmal, etc. were not held responsible for being absolutely rubbish on that tour. As I have mentioned before in other threads - the Sydney Test was strongly suspected to have been fixed and MoYo being the captain - he was thrown under the bus. Quite simply - the PCB did not trust him from that point onwards and only brought him back to the Test team when there were no options and were suffering from another humiliating tour abroad in England.

His captaincy was rubbish but the blame towards him was excessive IMO.
 
Mohd Yousaf mentioned in an interview in 2013 where he was upset with Waqar Younis for not fighting for his selection. He even mentioned that he requested a meeting with the then PCB chairman Ijaz Butt and other selectors as to why he was continously being ignored for selection but no one ever responded to his requests and he was like I have played for so long for my country and that i am not going to grovel on my knees for anyone in the team or the PCB.

That is how we treat our legends.
 
Did you even bother to read my post? Just blindly alleging his "ego", as if what he is a politician.

At what point did his so called "ego" not allow him to play domestics? Let me repeat for some people cant comprehend at first hand -- He was literally barred from playing domestic season 2010 by team management of Wapda, but played OD tournament thereafter. Was it not domestics? The OD tournament was enough to prove that he was fit enough, after which he should have been drafted back into both ODI and test teams.

The selectors kept rambling about "not knowing his fitness", but the fact was that he kept playing cricket of all forms till mid 2011, there was no FC tournament between his dropping, season 2010 which was ongoing when he was dropped and which he was not allowed to play, and mid 2011. He missed 2011 season of FC due to Haj and other personal reasons not known.

He joined the team in their fitness tests in 2012, and cleared the tests. Also expressed that he wants to play domestics or whatever selectors want from him to come back. He was not allowed to play 2012 Fc season as well. You even read the links where it is all stated. (references http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/562857.html, http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/590618.html, http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/591714.html)

Where's Yousuf's "ego" of not wishing to play domestics here? If anything, there was big ego of Iqbal Qasim and Misbah ul Haq (and initially Waqar) who on purpose wanted him not to return after dumping him from the South Africa series

This is a correct sequence of events.
 
Oh bhai. Get your facts straight. In your blind Misbah love, you have always been so bitter towards Yousuf.

Yousuf was sent back from the UAE test series against South Africa late in 2010 on grounds of "poor fitness" -- he was in the squad -- and was never considered for the next series by a team management comprising Misbah and Waqar despite having decent numbers that year, Misbah in his insecurity and Waqar in his quest for "youngsters".

This, after a few turbulent months when he had players playing for the opposition in Australian tour, his subsequent ban from all cricket (when he even missed T20 WC which some other "banned" played did not) and surprise return in the middle of the English tour (when suddenly it dawned upon PCB that we need at least one experienced bat), where he was part of the group which had to endure traumatic match-fixing stress. After all this, he should have been given time to settle in the team and given confidence a country's great deserves, but he was unceremoniously sent back for an injury which wasn't even serious.

He never had "ego" for domestics. On return from UAE, he wanted to prove that he is still fit enough, and capable of scoring heavily, but politics and egos in captain and the team management there meant that he was not allowed to play the ongoing FC season (http://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/yousuf-leaves-domestic-side-after-rana-fallout-568963.html). There was no domestic FC season thereafter. Later, he scored a few fifties for Lahore Lions (meaning that he was fit again) in domestic OD cup, yet was snubbed from the world cup, in favour of the likes of Shafiq and Younis -- perpetual ODI failures, and from the Windies tour post-WC.

He didnt need domestics to "prove" to selectors back then that he is still good enough, but he played them, scored runs, proved fitness (on the pretext of which he was dropped), but was still ignored like Fawad Alam always is.

He continued playing county in 2011 (which he was during 2010 on which pretext he was recalled), was naturally totally dejected towards selectors, anyone at his stature will be, but when he publicly showed eagerness to return in 2012, he was asked by Iqbal Qasim to play domestics. Fine enough, he openly expressed he wants to play domestics in 2012, Dav Whatmore was interested in his selection as per reports, Yousuf even cleared a fitness test he gave alongside national players (on which basis he was dropped). To this Iqbal Qasim had this to say:

"He is training and that's what all players must do, but that doesn't mean he will be selected in the team," Qasim said. "If a coach is interested in a player he must convince the selection committee [first]."

Convince them by putting a gun barrel on them? We all know the relationship of the selectors and Dav during those times.

To add to this, he was literally barred from domestic FC competition that year, for lame excuses like “his name was not on the preliminary list Port Qasim Authority submitted us” (http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/590618.html)



That permission never arrived, to this day.

All this while Misbah never lobbied for his return, nor did anyone else in PCB.

He was allowed to play the Faisal Bank t20, Lahore Lions made him captain, but in strange turn of event, he relinquished captaincy to Hafeez, and was strangely dropped from the team in the next 2, 3 games of Lahore. (http://www.espncricinfo.com/faysal-2020cup-2012/content/story/594627.html)

Next year’s Quaide Azam trophy had no Yousuf as well, by that time he had perhaps moved on, became a pundit on Geo, and, naturally, very bitter towards Misbah and PCB.

All these years, all kinds of vitriol has been hurled against Yousuf, led by guys like Mamoon and MRNS, for being “bitter” and God knows what. Any sane person will be hell bitter after what he has had to bear 2010 onwards, muc more than what Yousuf is.

Send off or no send off, he has been hard-done-by by more than one person. Hope he is also involved (like Younis would be) somewhere in the U-19s or NCA as a give-back.

Correct sequence of events
 
What is this whole farewell non sense? Misbah and YK just played their last test which happened by schedule. Its not s if they suddenly showed up to play 1 final test.

We are blowing this thing up.
 
I suggest PCB gives one big farewell match to all those who have had multiple retirements over the years.

Can we get 11 players together who have retired and unretired? would be a good task if we can! :)))
 
It's simple. It's not the PCB's job to arrange a farewell for any player. PCB didn't arrange a farewell for Younis and Misbah. Players arrange farewells for themselves through their hard work over the years. If players want a farewell, there's a simple criteria:

1. Be a great player for your team over the years.
2. Announce your retirement beforehand.

Once you do that the cricket fraternity and your team will automatically give you a farewell. You don't go around asking the cricket board to arrange a farewell for you. Have you ever seen an employee demanding a farewell party from his boss in the corporate sector?
 
On a side note, Yousaf did not demand or cry in the media for a farewell or made a hue and cry about being included in the team or used political connections. He just went on with life and bowed out quietly and gracefully i would say.
 
Oh bhai. Get your facts straight. In your blind Misbah love, you have always been so bitter towards Yousuf.

Yousuf was sent back from the UAE test series against South Africa late in 2010 on grounds of "poor fitness" -- he was in the squad -- and was never considered for the next series by a team management comprising Misbah and Waqar despite having decent numbers that year, Misbah in his insecurity and Waqar in his quest for "youngsters".

This, after a few turbulent months when he had players playing for the opposition in Australian tour, his subsequent ban from all cricket (when he even missed T20 WC which some other "banned" played did not) and surprise return in the middle of the English tour (when suddenly it dawned upon PCB that we need at least one experienced bat), where he was part of the group which had to endure traumatic match-fixing stress. After all this, he should have been given time to settle in the team and given confidence a country's great deserves, but he was unceremoniously sent back for an injury which wasn't even serious.

He never had "ego" for domestics. On return from UAE, he wanted to prove that he is still fit enough, and capable of scoring heavily, but politics and egos in captain and the team management there meant that he was not allowed to play the ongoing FC season (http://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/yousuf-leaves-domestic-side-after-rana-fallout-568963.html). There was no domestic FC season thereafter. Later, he scored a few fifties for Lahore Lions (meaning that he was fit again) in domestic OD cup, yet was snubbed from the world cup, in favour of the likes of Shafiq and Younis -- perpetual ODI failures, and from the Windies tour post-WC.

He didnt need domestics to "prove" to selectors back then that he is still good enough, but he played them, scored runs, proved fitness (on the pretext of which he was dropped), but was still ignored like Fawad Alam always is.

He continued playing county in 2011 (which he was during 2010 on which pretext he was recalled), was naturally totally dejected towards selectors, anyone at his stature will be, but when he publicly showed eagerness to return in 2012, he was asked by Iqbal Qasim to play domestics. Fine enough, he openly expressed he wants to play domestics in 2012, Dav Whatmore was interested in his selection as per reports, Yousuf even cleared a fitness test he gave alongside national players (on which basis he was dropped). To this Iqbal Qasim had this to say:

"He is training and that's what all players must do, but that doesn't mean he will be selected in the team," Qasim said. "If a coach is interested in a player he must convince the selection committee [first]."

Convince them by putting a gun barrel on them? We all know the relationship of the selectors and Dav during those times.

To add to this, he was literally barred from domestic FC competition that year, for lame excuses like “his name was not on the preliminary list Port Qasim Authority submitted us” (http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/590618.html)



That permission never arrived, to this day.

All this while Misbah never lobbied for his return, nor did anyone else in PCB.

He was allowed to play the Faisal Bank t20, Lahore Lions made him captain, but in strange turn of event, he relinquished captaincy to Hafeez, and was strangely dropped from the team in the next 2, 3 games of Lahore. (http://www.espncricinfo.com/faysal-2020cup-2012/content/story/594627.html)

Next year’s Quaide Azam trophy had no Yousuf as well, by that time he had perhaps moved on, became a pundit on Geo, and, naturally, very bitter towards Misbah and PCB.

All these years, all kinds of vitriol has been hurled against Yousuf, led by guys like Mamoon and MRNS, for being “bitter” and God knows what. Any sane person will be hell bitter after what he has had to bear 2010 onwards, muc more than what Yousuf is.

Send off or no send off, he has been hard-done-by by more than one person. Hope he is also involved (like Younis would be) somewhere in the U-19s or NCA as a give-back.

Did you even bother to read my post? Just blindly alleging his "ego", as if what he is a politician.

At what point did his so called "ego" not allow him to play domestics? Let me repeat for some people cant comprehend at first hand -- He was literally barred from playing domestic season 2010 by team management of Wapda, but played OD tournament thereafter. Was it not domestics? The OD tournament was enough to prove that he was fit enough, after which he should have been drafted back into both ODI and test teams.

The selectors kept rambling about "not knowing his fitness", but the fact was that he kept playing cricket of all forms till mid 2011, there was no FC tournament between his dropping, season 2010 which was ongoing when he was dropped and which he was not allowed to play, and mid 2011. He missed 2011 season of FC due to Haj and other personal reasons not known.

He joined the team in their fitness tests in 2012, and cleared the tests. Also expressed that he wants to play domestics or whatever selectors want from him to come back. He was not allowed to play 2012 Fc season as well. You even read the links where it is all stated. (references http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/562857.html, http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/590618.html, http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/591714.html)

Where's Yousuf's "ego" of not wishing to play domestics here? If anything, there was big ego of Iqbal Qasim and Misbah ul Haq (and initially Waqar) who on purpose wanted him not to return after dumping him from the South Africa series

well researched posts.
This was the time when I used to follow domestics madly and what you said is what happened.
It is easy to say that he has big ego but it would be kind if one go deep down and see what actually happened.

There were few things wrong from Yousuf's part too but he is hard done by PCB.

And some folks are saying as PCB and Pakistani organizations are doodh k dhulay huay. Really? Do you know what happened to our sports legends? What happened to Syed Hussain Shah (bronze medalist olympian boxer and the last Individual Olympian who got a medal for Pakistan)? Did he also have an 'EGO'? There are very few lucky ones in Pakistani sports who get a farewell. And that is why we have a tendency of making anyone who gets a farewell as legends and all time greats. I bet if Shoaib Malik or Mohammad Hafeez retire tomorrow playing a series, they will be celebrated as Pakistani legends too.
 
Mohd Yousaf mentioned in an interview in 2013 where he was upset with Waqar Younis for not fighting for his selection. He even mentioned that he requested a meeting with the then PCB chairman Ijaz Butt and other selectors as to why he was continously being ignored for selection but no one ever responded to his requests and he was like I have played for so long for my country and that i am not going to grovel on my knees for anyone in the team or the PCB.

That is how we treat our legends.

Ijaz Butt and selectors in those days were total morons. What else can you expect from them.

Waqar and Misbah, being people in important positions, should have at least asked selectors for Yousuf's return, but in their inflated egos, did not bother even contacting him or making a case for his return in at least the test team (he repeatedly requested PCB to at least allow him in the test team, though he would have been such an important part of ODI middle order which was so pathetic those days). Nor did Mohsin Khan or Zaka Ashraf - who so publicly called for Afridi's return despite him being under yet another "retirement" post Windies tour - think of retaining the only modern great player still up for selection.

He was shown cold shoulder by literally everyone.

And to think of it, he is actually younger than Misbah. Captain cool never cared about his selection, instead pushed for his buddies Hafeez (in tests) and Malik (in ODIs) - both guys who gave appalling returns - among others.

Heck, Misbah even gave run to Asad Shafiq, Umar Amin and Azhar in ODI team in 2012, but a legendary batsman who was literally sent back from a squad was left wondering what on earth has he done wrong.

Despite this, there was no hue, no cry (a la Akmals, Butt), he humbly bowed down and moved on.

One really feels for the guy. No country would treat their premier batsman with such disdain as we have
 
well researched posts.
This was the time when I used to follow domestics madly and what you said is what happened.
It is easy to say that he has big ego but it would be kind if one go deep down and see what actually happened.

There were few things wrong from Yousuf's part too but he is hard done by PCB.

And some folks are saying as PCB and Pakistani organizations are doodh k dhulay huay. Really? Do you know what happened to our sports legends? What happened to Syed Hussain Shah (bronze medalist olympian boxer and the last Individual Olympian who got a medal for Pakistan)? Did he also have an 'EGO'? There are very few lucky ones in Pakistani sports who get a farewell. And that is why we have a tendency of making anyone who gets a farewell as legends and all time greats. I bet if Shoaib Malik or Mohammad Hafeez retire tomorrow playing a series, they will be celebrated as Pakistani legends too.

There was literally nothing wrong on Yousuf's part. Not even an ounce.

Think of a guy being sent back from a tour, not allowed to play domestics despite his eagerness, scoring fifties in following OD cup, then not inducted in WC where he should have been the first name on rooster, then snubbed forever by literally everyone.

On the other hand, Misbah and Younis became the vital cog of our batting in tests, and Misbah alone in ODIs, but Yousuf a better strokemaker, a player actually younger than Misbah, and same age as Younis (who in interview said he was born in 1975), was ignored at all platforms, even bared to play domestic cups!

It was criminal injustice to him
 


Waqar Younis caused a lot of damage to Pakistan cricket, says former teammate Mohammad Yousuf

Updated: 05 October 2013 21:34 IST

Yousuf added that he has lost hope of making a comeback into the national setup and does not follow the sport anymore.

Written by Press Trust of India

Lahore:

Former Pakistan cricket captain Mohammad Yousuf has said that he has completely given up hope of making a comeback to international cricket and it is all but over for him.

"I don't follow cricket now and my focus is not on the sport anymore. It is over for me," Yousuf said.

Yousuf, 39, however made it clear that he held no grudges over the fact that despite serving Pakistan cricket for so long he had not got an opportunity to retire with dignity from the sport, neither had the national cricket board given him a farewell or recognised his services.

"I am not bitter but yes, it is sad for me. But then in Pakistan cricket most senior players have been treated this way. I am not the first to face such a situation," he said.

Yousuf said he would never accept any position or assignment with the current cricket set-up.

"It is a very bad system and it does not treat seniors fairly. I wouldn't like to be a part of it," he said when asked if he was ready to help the Pakistani batsmen as a coach or a consultant.

Yousuf, who scored 7530 runs at an average of 52 in 90 Tests and also accumulated 9720 runs in 288 One-day Internationals, last played for Pakistan in November 2010 against South Africa.

Since then has been sidelined by the selectors despite insisting that he was fit to play Tests for the country.

The former skipper said what saddened him was that neither the board nor the selectors had bothered to ever talk to him and tell him why they had dropped him or why he didn't feature in their scheme of things.

Yousuf minced no words while lashing out at former teammate Waqar Younis.

"Sometimes I think the biggest problem in our cricket are these senior players. Waqar caused a lot of damage to our cricket," Yousuf said.

Waqar was not fair with either me or Abdul Razzaq. He didn't deal with us fairly. By sidelining us he only damaged Pakistan cricket in the long run because even today I know I could have been playing Test cricket, at least," Yousuf insisted.

He said that while his generation of players even after retirement got along well and supported each other, he could not say the same thing about the older generation.

"Some of them have massive ego problems like Waqar. I got unfit on the 2010 tour but which player doesn't get unfit? Does that mean I couldn't get fit again or not play again. I played domestic cricket after that and proved my form but I was constantly ignored," said Yousuf.

He had no doubt that Pakistan team was presently facing batting problems because the youngsters didn't have proper role models to follow.

"I followed players like Saeed Anwar, Javed Miandad, Salim Malik and Inzamam. Today our youngsters are not following the right role models because of T20 cricket.

"I think today Asad Shafiq is technically our best player but he is in and out of the team and that is affecting his progress. Such young batsmen need to be given confidence and a proper run to gain confidence," he said.

Yousuf said India had no problems finding new talents and developing a formidable batting line-up because the players followed right role models like Sachin Tendulkar, VVS Laxman, Rahul Dravid and Sourav Ganguly.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/waq...-says-former-teammate-mohammad-yousuf-1529169
 
He did deserve a farewell match, but it's his own fault somehow that he didn't get one.
 
There should be no such rubbish as a farewell match Players arent owed anything Its a privledge to play for your country which is earned, not a right

U either retire yourself whilst in the team like misbah or yk or are dropped for good
 
Mohammad Yousuf never allowed us to bid him any farewell. He always made a mess of things and instead of working on his fitness or flaws thought he was some kind of demi God who could not be dropped. Same goes for Razzaq.

It's sad but he was his own worst enemy.
 
I think the best thing Mohammad Yousuf can do now is to stay away from cricket. There is a lot of resentment there and Yousuf would be better off focusing on the other things in life. Great player in his time and he doesn't need to hurt his legacy by appearing so bitter every time he talks about the sport.
 
He played County cricket in 2011.

A century of rare class from Mohammad Yousuf earned Warwickshire the initiative on the first day of their Championship match against Worcestershire at Edgbaston.
From cricinfo.
Yousuf, defying a treacherous pitch quite unsuited for this level of cricket, gave a masterful demonstration of batting to record the 30th century of his first-class career. So fine an innings was this that Ashley Giles, hardly one prone to hyperbole, described it as "the best I've seen in difficult conditions." It was, in Giles' words "proper class."

Warwickshire may come to be very grateful for Yousuf's contribution. Not only did he make these runs in adversity, but they may have saved the club from a penalty far greater than a difficult match situation.

Untrue!!! He did make this century but did nothing of note for the remaining season and cut short his stint because it clashes with Ramadan. In the winter He accepted to play in a domestic league but pulled out. The following summer again he didn’t play county coz it clashes with Ramadan. I think he was due to go to Leicester. Anyhow he only had himself to blame.

I honestly think Misbah was the best thing to happen to Pakistan cricket as during his captaincy one by one all the prima donnas were cut done one by one
 
Debatable but Yousuf never acted maturely enough to play domestic cricket and regain his position after his ban was lifted.He could have easily made it post Ijaz Butt era and played in place of Shafiq or Azhar.

Sadly he went the Waqar Younis route and could not retire with dignity like Younis, Misbah, Imran, Malik(in tests)
 
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