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Once you get your eye in you should look to dominate the bowlers but even after batting for so long Shehzad is still striking at around 43-44?

I like his hunger but because of his approach we are about 40-50 runs behind.
 
No denying that he's a selfish cricketer who is looking to take the mantle from Misbah. Really absurd approach after he got to his hundred with a defensive partner against a deflated attack and just 1 wicket down, you have to show a bit more intent.

A problem that is consistent across all three formats and his place is as secure as anyone so that is no longer a valid excuse.
 
Not surprising by Shezad

Not a fan of Hafeez but he missed out also.
 
Fahdi said:
Once you get your eye in you should look to dominate the bowlers but even after batting for so long Shehzad is still striking at around 43-44?

I like his hunger but because of his approach we are about 40-50 runs behind.
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As long as we are winning, these petty little details should be nipped in the bud. I am sure he is doing a fine job or there would have been a message or two from Grant/Waqar or the Management.
 
"We can't find a good opener."

*Pakistan finds a solid opener*

"Why can't he bat at a higher strike rate?"
#WhyYouNo :no
 
Bullet Drive said:
Are you serious?

Mods please delete this thread.

Why so negative.
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OK so what should I say?

Ahmad Shehzad is the most aggressive attacking cricketer in the world. Bradman would have been proud of this innings. A SR of 44 after 280 deliveries that's better than Viv Richards. Happy now?

His SR should be better. If you can't score at a good pace after 200 deliveries you are either seriously lacking in ability or delibrately holding back for some reason.
 
I hope he scores at an even slower SR to make it even more painful for you.

Awful posting.
 
Did exactly what was required as per the team plan. Quality knock and hope he goes on to a big double.

We've finally manufactured a youngster who puts a price on his wicket and there are still critics ... astounding! It would make sense if it was a knock not considering the game situation .. but it is NOT going to cost us anything.
 
Pakistani_Legend said:
"We can't find a good opener."

*Pakistan finds a solid opener*

"Why can't he bat at a higher strike rate?"
#WhyYouNo :no
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I demand more from my team. I like his hunger for runs just like I mentioned in the OP but am I wrong to say that he should be batting with a bit more intent?
 
Fahdi said:
OK so what should I say?

Ahmad Shehzad is the most aggressive attacking cricketer in the world. Bradman would have been proud of this innings. A SR of 44 after 280 deliveries that's better than Viv Richards. Happy now?

His SR should be better. If you can't score at a good pace after 200 deliveries you are either seriously lacking in ability or delibrately holding back for some reason.
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No, don't say that but just appreciate the innings.

A combination of both, in my opinion. He isn't very talented and gifted, his attitude (towards the game, not that macho and 'I am cool' attitude) and work ethic separates him from the rest. He also looks for personal milestones so I would put it that way.
 
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Why would u want a set opener to play aggressively at the end of the day and risk giving his wkt away and give new zealand a chance to get back in the game?

Do some people know anything about test cricket?
 
I don't see an issue. Ideally yes he should score at a better strike rate but its not the end of the world. Its strange we finally have 1 solid opener and there are still critics out for his head.
 
Fahdi said:
I demand more from my team. I like his hunger for runs just like I mentioned in the OP but am I wrong to say that he should be batting with a bit more intent?
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Why??? WHY??? TO WHAT END???

People cannot seem to get their head around the fact that its NOT easy to score runs on these slow tracks. All that 'intent' you're asking for was displayed by the majority of Aussie batsmen and you saw how they fared.
 
Bullet Drive said:
I hope he scores at an even slower SR to make it even more painful for you.

Awful posting.
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I hope he goes on to score a double and learns to dominate ballers after getting set. Which will make him a better batsman.
 
Nothing wrong with his strike go and watch Afridi or Akmal tullay baazi on dailymotion.

This is how test cricket is played. Brilliant stuff from Shehzad.
 
Fahdi said:
I demand more from my team. I like his hunger for runs just like I mentioned in the OP but am I wrong to say that he should be batting with a bit more intent?
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He should bat with more intent, no doubt. All I am saying is, you are making it seem as if Shahzad is responsible for something criminal. He batted well, nothing less and nothing more.
 
Poison said:
Why??? WHY??? TO WHAT END???

People cannot seem to get their head around the fact that its NOT easy to score runs on these slow tracks. All that 'intent' you're asking for was displayed by the majority of Aussie batsmen and you saw how they fared.
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He has been batting for 280 deliveries for crying out loud. Is it too much to ask to score at around 55? Younis was able to do it, Hafeez did it just now.
 
Fahdi said:
He has been batting for 280 deliveries for crying out loud. Is it too much to ask to score at around 55? Younis was able to do it, Hafeez did it just now.
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Someone has to hold the baton after Misbah. I believe Shehzad is the Man :D
 
Striking at 50-55 regularly in Test cricket doesn't equate to 'tullay baazi' and nor does it mean that 'you don't know what Test cricket is about' or 'time to take a power play'.

It is a perfectly valid objection to make which has been a consistent problem with him across all formats and use of purple prose statements do not make it any less valid.

After more than a year as the undisputed opener for Pakistan, the time has come for him to exert more influence which is not to much to ask for because on previous occasions, he has shown that he can do that and needs to pace his innings a lot better from the start no matter which format he is playing and that is definitely a shortcoming.
 
Pakistani_Legend said:
He should bat with more intent, no doubt. All I am saying is, you are making it seem as if Shahzad is responsible for something criminal. He batted well, nothing less and nothing more.
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He batted well, should have done better. I want him to improve.
 
Our scoring rate is around 3 and we usually operate at around 2.5 so we should actually be delighted that we have scored at a healthy run rate without losing many wickets.

Shehzad isnt a finished article by any means, he is a limited player who is weighing above his weight. He will get better with time , everything will be ok if we score 300 more tomorrow.. game in the bag.
 
This is test cricket.

We are 270-1 at the end of the day.

Shehzad is still not-out, batting at 125 odd.

We will be at 500 tea time if we carry on like this and Shehzad will have ample time to amp it up tomorrow.

Not sure what the fuss is about here.
 
Mamoon said:
Striking at 50-55 regularly in Test cricket doesn't equate to 'tullay baazi' and nor does it mean that 'you don't know what Test cricket is about' or 'time to take a power play'.

It is a perfectly valid objection to make which has been a consistent problem with him across all formats and use of purple prose statements do not make it any less valid.

After more than a year as the undisputed opener for Pakistan, the time has come for him to exert more influence which is not to much to ask for because on previous occasions, he has shown that he can do that and needs to pace his innings a lot better from the start no matter which format he is playing and that is definitely a shortcoming.
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I agree.

After playing so many deliveries he should be able to score at a brisk pace without taking risks.
 
People are making too much of this Its the first day of a test series In the last 10 overs of the first days play, any sensible test bat would look to close shop and come back and re start again in the morning

Strike rate on the first day of a test isnt important What is is setting a base for the next 4 days

Once a base is set and the team is in a great position aggression comes naturally
 
It's a test match, we haven't reached 300 yet. Why try and force the pace at this stage, I would imagine that would be most likely way of losing wickets.
 
Mamoon said:
No denying that he's a selfish cricketer who is looking to take the mantle from Misbah. Really absurd approach after he got to his hundred with a defensive partner against a deflated attack and just 1 wicket down, you have to show a bit more intent.

A problem that is consistent across all three formats and his place is as secure as anyone so that is no longer a valid excuse.
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well said.
 
Lol now SR people are out in Tests as well?

Nothing was wrong with how PAK played and the total we have now. Should look at the target and accelerate tomorrow.

BTW, BD is supporting this SR because Shehzad was playing. Imagine if it was someone else... :P
 
aukhan said:
Nothing wrong with his strike go and watch Afridi or Akmal tullay baazi on dailymotion.

This is how test cricket is played. Brilliant stuff from Shehzad.
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My friend where did I mention I want him slog like crazy and score at a SR of 150? This is how test cricket is played? Why not look at Younis Khan? After Younis gets in he does not merely bat on he gets on top. His SR goes up to 55-60.

Well played by Shehzad, well played indeed but he should have done better. We should be around 300/1.

Oh and if were to watch an old innings on dailymotion or youtube it will be a Tendulker, Lara or Ponting innings. Maybe even Younis.
 
Hawkeye said:
Lol now SR people are out in Tests as well?

Nothing was wrong with how PAK played and the total we have now. Should look at the target and accelerate tomorrow.

BTW, BD is supporting this SR because Shehzad was playing. Imagine if it was someone else... :P
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People just want to find a way to criticize a player they don't like, isn't it ?
 
Pakistani_Legend said:
He should bat with more intent, no doubt. All I am saying is, you are making it seem as if Shahzad is responsible for something criminal. He batted well, nothing less and nothing more.
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He thinks playing Test cricket on this pitch should be played like a 20/20. The Australian's tried it and look what happened to them. Short memories.
Pakistan finished the day 1 run short of 3.0 run rate per over with only 1 wicket down. Name one Pakistani team of the past who would have turned that down or done better.
 
A near perfect day for Ahmed - may be he could have pushed a bit in 3rd session, but that's just about 20-25 runs.

An openers prefect job is to see off the second new ball - albeit at a slower rate. He got a life, made Kiwis suffer for that & in he can see through 10 overs next morning, PAK can go at 4.5/over for 60 overs & declare at 575 with 20 overs left for the tired Kiwis to survive. If Ahmed can stay till lunch tomorrow on 170, PAK 'll score 200 in next 2.5 hours - that's the way you play Test match & grind opposition. Ahmed has given PAK middle order the luxury to post 600 & then bowlers to take 20 wickets in 290+ overs - what else should an opener do?

I am surprised to read so many negative comments - as if the Tendulkars, the Dravids, the Sangakars, the Inzamams, the Mahelas & the Anwars scored all their Day 1 century in subcontinent on mine fields at a F1 pace!!!
 
Hawkeye said:
Lol now SR people are out in Tests as well?

Nothing was wrong with how PAK played and the total we have now. Should look at the target and accelerate tomorrow.

BTW, BD is supporting this SR because Shehzad was playing. Imagine if it was someone else... :P
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I believe we are 30-40 runs behind but still in a very good position.

And yes I would have liked to see the reaction if Misbah had scored at a SR of 44 after batting 280 deliveries.
 
Fahdi said:
My friend where did I mention I want him slog like crazy and score at a SR of 150? This is how test cricket is played? Why not look at Younis Khan? After Younis gets in he does not merely bat on he gets on top. His SR goes up to 55-60.

Well played by Shehzad, well played indeed but he should have done better. We should be around 300/1.

Oh and if were to watch an old innings on dailymotion or youtube it will be a Tendulker, Lara or Ponting innings. Maybe even Younis.
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Not everyone can bat like younis khan, everyone has their own strengths and weaknesses and game

If shezad continues to bat slowly when the base is set tomorrow afternoon then we can criticise him but on the first day of play this is just criticism for the sake of it
 
:))) i can't believe this thread and some of the posts here. Am i dreaming or did shehzad just get a hundred while our team run rate was just under 3? those criticizing him should go support another team :facepalm: never have i seen so man disgraceful fans not giving the opener a break. It's not like we've had saeed anwar playing for us in the last 5 years or so maybe longer.
 
I hope he takes the initiative tomorrow. Would love to see him get a double hundred and get his SR above 50.
 
sh47 said:
:))) i can't believe this thread and some of the posts here. Am i dreaming or did shehzad just get a hundred while our team run rate was just under 3? those criticizing him should go support another team :facepalm: never have i seen so man disgraceful fans not giving the opener a break. It's not like we've had saeed anwar playing for us in the last 5 years or so maybe longer.
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This thread existes believe it.

Nope he got a hundred played well. Should have gotten a 150, hope he gets a double ton tomorrow.

Nope I will continue supporting Pakistan thank you very much.

I want him to score at around 50-55. Which he should. You talk as if i want him dropped from the team.

So because the rest of the openers have been poor it absolves him of all criticism even if it's fair? Sorry I don't believe that.
 
Fahdi said:
Once you get your eye in you should look to dominate the bowlers but even after batting for so long Shehzad is still striking at around 43-44?

I like his hunger but because of his approach we are about 40-50 runs behind.
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40-50 runs behind what exactly. We are looking to bat only once and Younis, Misbah and Sarfraz can all go up a gear if needed
 
Shehzad slowed down but was in good control whole day and the important thing is he is still there. Well played.
 
Pacing an innings is a skill acquired with practice.

Inzamam became one of the best chasers by continuously being there in the same situation.

I think Shehzad has some way to go before he can be compared to Kohli.

Pacing an innings is a skill lacking generally in batsmen from Pakistan.

Either they are hard hitters like Maqsood Akmal and some of the others.

Or they are slow batters like Azhar Ali Shafiq and Fawad Alam.

In India, this skill has been acquired and is a part of every youngster's learning curve until they graduate to the International Level, when they play International Cricket they can bat at run a ball or 5 an over without getting out, it is like clock work to them.

Our general batting standard is 3 an over 3.5 an over, until the batsman starts hitting every ball. Our clock is set at a slower rate, meaning they take more time to adjust to conditions.

Hence players like Shehzad have to acquire this skill at the International level.

It will only come with practice, the more you play cricket and spend time on the field and bat, the more quickly you will acquire this. There is no substitute for practice in this case.

In the 90s and early 2000s, playing at 3-4 an over was acceptable.

Now Pakistani batsmen seem pretty out of date compared to the batting standards that are there abroad.

It is the main reason Pakistan struggles in ODIs the most, but can beat any team in Test Cricket, because Run rate is mostly a non issue in Test Cricket.
 
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Looks to attack Johnson in HIS last innings and ends up costing him his wicket - reckless.

Puts a price on HIS wicket and helps put Pakistan in a commanding position - selfish.

A very objective thread :facepalm:
 
Needless thread.

I guess this is what happens when you have a forum with 1000+ views a day, some of them are ultra-left field. If the OP had Alastair Cook in his team, he would have applied the same criticism.
 
Asif khan said:
Looks to attack Johnson in HIS last innings and ends up costing him his wicket - reckless.

Puts a price on HIS wicket and helps put Pakistan in a commanding position - selfish.

A very objective thread :facepalm:
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I prefer this approach to that idiocy, that's for sure.
 
OUr people have some strange habits, one of them is they never want to listen to any criticism. Well none of us want Pakistan to lose and we do criticism to make it even better. Yes he sometimes plays slow for no reason, this style of play can only work in subcontinent and against low quality bowlers.
In England, SA and Aus , u got to play at a better S/R if u want to survive against the better bowlers . Good bowlers love to choke the batsman and then they finally get the batsman out.
 
He should have slogged a few 6s just to please the slogger fans :afridi
 
Fahdi said:
This thread existes believe it.

Nope he got a hundred played well. Should have gotten a 150, hope he gets a double ton tomorrow.

Nope I will continue supporting Pakistan thank you very much.

I want him to score at around 50-55. Which he should. You talk as if i want him dropped from the team.

So because the rest of the openers have been poor it absolves him of all criticism even if it's fair? Sorry I don't believe that.
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No the fact is our openers have been poor in the past and criticism is fine but in this case it's quiet insane to criticize a centurion :))) a team run rate of 3 on day 1 is absolutely acceptable and complaining about him being 20-30 runs short is also stupid, you do realize this is Test Cricket? and it's not as if he has made 10 runs of 200 deliveries the way you guys are going so sorry but a very silly thread.
 
90MPH said:
He should have slogged a few 6s just to please the slogger fans :afridi
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Yeah i defo want to see him go after the bowlers like he did against MJ in first over before being bowled, forget grinding it out for a big hundred.
 
Outrageous Post

We finally have a Pakistan TEST opener who is regularly scoring tons at the top of the order and he is still getting criticized??

Do me a favour.

The kid has got talent and knows by scoring a hundred at the top of the innings he will give Pakistan a better chance of winning the TEST match.
 
Really an absurd posting, after so long, we got a great opening partnership, even then, people are complaining.
 
I agree with the poster. Had it been yk playing, his sr would beover 50 . We should have crossed the 300 mark today. Shehzad had everything under control , wickets in hand but still he was playing quite low
 
Mamoon said:
No denying that he's a selfish cricketer who is looking to take the mantle from Misbah. Really absurd approach after he got to his hundred with a defensive partner against a deflated attack and just 1 wicket down, you have to show a bit more intent.

A problem that is consistent across all three formats and his place is as secure as anyone so that is no longer a valid excuse.
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This post takes the cake :)))
 
he did fine, could have been better but its not something to go nuts over. I understand though why he slowed down at the end due to the 2nd new ball
 
Not everyone can be an Afridi.

This is a test match.

The wrist slitting isn't justified here.
 
Amazing stuff. Whiniest fans on the planet. Guy got you a ton on a day when we were totally dominated. He can still push the SR above 50 if he wants to and there is ample time left to bowl us out three timea. But no. We gotta whine don't we?
 
Yossarian said:
He thinks playing Test cricket on this pitch should be played like a 20/20. The Australian's tried it and look what happened to them. Short memories.
Pakistan finished the day 1 run short of 3.0 run rate per over with only 1 wicket down. Name one Pakistani team of the past who would have turned that down or done better.
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Exactly. At a stretch, we could have reached 300 but this score isn't bad either.

By the way, as much as I don't like this criticism of Shahzad, I would say that it is possible to score at a good clip on this pitch. You don't need to play like Maxwell. Hafeez showed it and was the perfect example.
 
leatherface58 said:
Amazing stuff. Whiniest fans on the planet. Guy got you a ton on a day when we were totally dominated. He can still push the SR above 50 if he wants to and there is ample time left to bowl us out three timea. But no. We gotta whine don't we?
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Indians gon' hate

1st day of test match on a slow wicket, team run rate is at around 3 so no need to take play aggressive.

On the 1st day of test series, I would prefer a 100* of 200 to a 100 of 120, you need to break their hearts, make them question the meaning of life, and turn to their wicketkeeper to have a bowl.

The Mizbah, Shafiq and Sarfraz can accelerate if need be tomorrow when closing in on a 550 score
 
What exactly is wrong with 270 runs on the first day? I think they are more than enough. Against Aus, we had around 220 on the first day.
 
Really slowed down the team today, lost them at least half a session, it's like he is under the wheels of a large tractor at the moment, trying to jam the claws of the tractor with his bat. Very painful as a spectator
Showed when he whacked Johnson out the park in his last match that he can accelerate , needs to do this more .
 
Score today is fine and they will accelerate tomorrow.

Shehzad can slog, so can others. Can accelerate even without slogging.
 
Some people are so obsessed with strike rate. In tests it has no relevance. Give some credit to shehzad for playing 3 sessions.
 
There is no need to be too meticulous everytime.Relax.
Strike rate is not much of an issue so far in this game.He has played according to what pakistan had planned out.
This guy has the mettle to play big innings and has shown that time in time out.So,sit back and chill.
He is still 22 and has number of years in him and will learn with time hopefully.
Obviously he has issues with his approach in LOIs.But keeping it out of discussion for now he is playing reasonably well in this innings.
 
We should open with Sharjeel Khan instead, he will give us a quick start 20-30 at a SR of 150+ guaranteed. Not a lot of runs, but it will scare the opposition for sure.

But seriously, not every test opener is Sehwag or Gilchrist, so this is is pretty ungrateful.
 
We completely buried New Zealand mentally and physically today. It's the perfect way to start the series. I don't see the need to lift your foot from the opponents throat once you're in such a commanding position.

I'd much rather 269-1 then 310-4 trying to play attacking cricket and losing your wickets.
 
He scores at SR of 70 in ODIs, so 50 is acceptable in longer format. He is a Tuk-Tuk.
 
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