Alleged Indian government involvement in plots to assassinate Sikh separatists living in the West

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I have to agree. This is not Gabdhi’s India which sits down and takes it like a you know what.

Taking out terrorists on foreign soils is novelty for most Indians and people with Indian connections.

I keep hearing the term terrorist being applied. If these Sikhs living in Canada are terrorists then surely they should have been proscribed as such by the international courts and they could be extradited for trial as such?

 

[Champ_Pal]

I keep hearing the term terrorist being applied. If these Sikhs living in Canada are terrorists then surely they should have been proscribed as such by the international courts and they could be extradited for trial as such?

Babbar Khalsa and Khalistan Tiger Force are both banned by US. Nijjar was associated with both. He is the founder of Tiger force.

Canada is a different beast. They are using these Khalistanis as vote bank. Basically playing with fire.

 

[Devadwal]

five eyes need five ears as well . Lol

 

[Champ_Pal]

I will not be surprised if India is actually involved in the killing of Nijjar. Especially under Modi. He likes to play on front foot rather than slouch meekly and play on backfoot.

India has been trying to extradite Nijjar, Pannu etc for many years. Even former Congress CM of Punjab Capt.Amrinder Singh had these guys in his list of people extradited. He handed it over personally to Justin Trudeau. Nothing was done.

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Trudeau and his Government were harboring all these Terrorists who were actively working to separate Punjab. India tried its best to get them through interpol and diplomacy. Canada ignored everything. If India is indeed behind Nijjar's killing, then it was done as a last resort. To put fear in the minds of wannabe Khalistanis.

Whether it is right to do such acts by India can be debated and depends on which side you are looking at it from. From India's point of view, they are doing this to safe guard their country.

 

[cricketjoshila]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846588464382484490

What a clown

1. Accepts that its intelligence and not hard evidence.

2. Says India collects information on Khalistanis. All countries collect intelligence on separatists affecting their country.

3. Says information passed onto Lawrence Bishnoi Gang in India.

The man controlling Bishnoi Gang is Goldy Brar and lives in Canada.

4. Says Indian government threatened to withhold Visas and threatened financial implications (I understand that its likely seizure of property and assets in India). So as per Trudeau India doesn't have the right to deny visas or seize assets of Khalistanis and their supporters.

He has no evidence. Nothing.

 

[SportsWarrior]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846588464382484490

What a clown

1. Accepts that its intelligence and not hard evidence.

2. Says India collects information on Khalistanis. All countries collect intelligence on separatists affecting their country.

3. Says information passed onto Lawrence Bishnoi Gang in India.

The man controlling Bishnoi Gang is Goldy Brar and lives in Canada.

4. Says Indian government threatened to withhold Visas and threatened financial implications (I understand that its likely seizure of property and assets in India). So as per Trudeau India doesn't have the right to deny visas or seize assets of Khalistanis and their supporters.

He has no evidence. Nothing.

they probably have evidence but won't stand up in court as it is collected by wiretapping which is illegal in Canada (and almost everywhere). This is more so if you are tapping diplomats. If they bring that evidence to court, they will have more explaining to do.

 

[SportsWarrior]

I will not be surprised if India is actually involved in the killing of Nijjar. Especially under Modi. He likes to play on front foot rather than slouch meekly and play on backfoot.

India has been trying to extradite Nijjar, Pannu etc for many years. Even former Congress CM of Punjab Capt.Amrinder Singh had these guys in his list of people extradited. He handed it over personally to Justin Trudeau. Nothing was done.

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Trudeau and his Government were harboring all these Terrorists who were actively working to separate Punjab. India tried its best to get them through interpol and diplomacy. Canada ignored everything. If India is indeed behind Nijjar's killing, then it was done as a last resort. To put fear in the minds of wannabe Khalistanis.

Whether it is right to do such acts by India can be debated and depends on which side you are looking at it from. From India's point of view, they are doing this to safe guard their country.

i am as pro Modi as anyone else, but it is dumb to try assassinate people in western world. India still doesn't have the pull to do such stuff, apart from the moral and legal stands of it. We don't want to live in a world where the governments think it is okay to kill someone off because they exhausted all the legal ways. Our conviction rate in indian courts are like 20%, and a large portion of the culprits escape any legal consequences. We don't go killing them.

More importantly by this step we have given impetus to an issue which hardly as any base in India. It is extremely fringe movement, even among Punjabis. India, could have used the presence of such people in Canada to embarrass them in all the forums while we secure our borders internally. Instead of that, government is now pushed back on this issue and if not now, later will impact negatively.

This is profoundly dumb, and I say this as a staunch supporter of Modi government.

 

[Champ_Pal]

i am as pro Modi as anyone else, but it is dumb to try assassinate people in western world. India still doesn't have the pull to do such stuff, apart from the moral and legal stands of it. We don't want to live in a world where the governments think it is okay to kill someone off because they exhausted all the legal ways. Our conviction rate in indian courts are like 20%, and a large portion of the culprits escape any legal consequences. We don't go killing them.

More importantly by this step we have given impetus to an issue which hardly as any base in India. It is extremely fringe movement, even among Punjabis. India, could have used the presence of such people in Canada to embarrass them in all the forums while we secure our borders internally. Instead of that, government is now pushed back on this issue and if not now, later will impact negatively.

This is profoundly dumb, and I say this as a staunch supporter of Modi government.

Agreed that it is dumb to pull these off in western countries. Sometimes you learn it the hard way.

Beg to differ on the highlighted part. Indian police and CRPF routinely used to kill Naxalites and Criminals in encounters back in 90's. So this is not something that the government has not done before. This was during Congress rule at the center. Not BJP.

The fringe elements you are talking about are attacking Indian embassies, attacking temples and targeting pro-India people in the West. Some of them could very well be Indian informants.

I am not supporting what India has done. It is wrong. However, it takes 2 to tango. Canadian Governments reluctance in cooperating in the extradition or arresting of Khalistani elements and Indian Governments hot headedness in dealing with those vermins. Its a messy situation and it is surprising to see both Canada and India putting billions of dollars of business over these Khalistanis.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

UK calls for India to cooperate with Canada’s legal process as row deepens

Britain joined its Five Eyes intelligence partners on Wednesday in saying India’s cooperation with Canada’s legal process was “the right next step” in the deepening diplomatic row between the two countries, adding that it had full confidence in Canada’s judicial system.

Canadian police said on Monday they had credible evidence that Indian agents including India’s high commissioner to Canada were linked to the murder of the Sikh leader Hardeep Singh Nijjar on Canadian soil in June 2023 and accused Delhi of a broader effort to target Indian dissidents in Canada.

India has rejected the Canadian accusations and retaliated by ordering the expulsion of six high-ranking Canadian diplomats, including the acting high commissioner.

The British Foreign Office said in a statement: “We are in contact with our Canadian partners about the serious developments outlined in the independent investigations in Canada. The UK has full confidence in Canada’s judicial system … The government of India’s cooperation with Canada’s legal process is the right next step.”

UK calls for India to cooperate with Canada’s legal process as row deepens

Delhi expelled diplomats after Canadian police say they have evidence linking Indian agents to murder in Canada

www.theguardian.com

 

[SportsWarrior]

Agreed that it is dumb to pull these off in western countries. Sometimes you learn it the hard way.

Beg to differ on the highlighted part. Indian police and CRPF routinely used to kill Naxalites and Criminals in encounters back in 90's. So this is not something that the government has not done before. This was during Congress rule at the center. Not BJP.

The fringe elements you are talking about are attacking Indian embassies, attacking temples and targeting pro-India people in the West. Some of them could very well be Indian informants.

I am not supporting what India has done. It is wrong. However, it takes 2 to tango. Canadian Governments reluctance in cooperating in the extradition or arresting of Khalistani elements and Indian Governments hot headedness in dealing with those vermins. Its a messy situation and it is surprising to see both Canada and India putting billions of dollars of business over these Khalistanis.

I agree, CRPF and Indian police have done it in the past. It happens everywhere internally. There are numerous encounters, and even recently there was such a case in Hyd. But i don't agree that it should be a government policy. That is what will lead to chaoes and police state. We don't want the police to be both law enforcement and judge of people morality and legality

Yes, these fringe elements are attacking Indians in Canandian soil. This is a Canada law and order issue. Canada needs to deal with it. If our embassies are under attack, shut them down. If our citizens are impacted ask them not to travel and issue travel warnings. If people decide that it is worth the risk to travel it is up to them. If these people are attacking Indo Canadians, then very little we can do, after all they are Canadian citizens, and it is up to Canada to safeguard them. Would we be okay if tomorrow someone is attacking a BD or a SL citizen in India, and BD or SL sends hitmen to take care of them? we would expect the SL/BD or any foreign government to work with our government to fix the issue. It may get fixed or not. There are other avenues like bring it up in UN(won't do anything I know) or putting pressure through diplomacy. Sometimes nothing will come off it if we are not strong enough to exert required pressure. Life is not a James Bond movie to send out hits on foreign nationals, especially a democratically elected government.

I don't see any scenario where it is acceptable for any government, especially a responsible democratically elected government, to resort to hiring hitmen to off people in another country, unless we are in war with them. Pak is an exception; we are perpetually in low key war with them.

You will see in few months, India will back down either directly or indirectly. Already you can see Ajit Doval public appearances have vanished considerably. This will have consequences

 

[RexRex]

It's time for Canada to suspend all immigration from India and teach these paindu bhakts who are in power right now who the boss is here. India should be focussing on domestic law and order instead of whinging about long dead causes like Khalistan.

What a waste of good will.

 

[rpant_gabba]

'No hard proof ... ': Canadian PM Justin Trudeau admits he had no evidence against India regarding Nijjar's killing

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau admitted on Wednesday that his government had no hard proof when it accused India of involvement in the killing of Khalistani extremist Hardeep Singh Nijjar. This admission comes amid rising tensions between India and Canada, raising questions about the...

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Trudeau, testifying before the foreign interference inquiry, acknowledged that when his government implicated India in Nijjar's assassination last year, they were acting on weak intelligence rather than definitive proof

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's time for Canada to suspend all immigration from India and teach these paindu bhakts who are in power right now who the boss is here. India should be focussing on domestic law and order instead of whinging about long dead causes like Khalistan.

What a waste of good will.

Chaley chal....

Canada will lose billions.

 

[Champ_Pal]

It's time for Canada to suspend all immigration from India and teach these paindu bhakts who are in power right now who the boss is here. India should be focussing on domestic law and order instead of whinging about long dead causes like Khalistan.

What a waste of good will.

You are talking about Canada. Not USA. I think you have them confused. Canada and boss?

Khalistan is trying to raise its ugly head again and Indian Government does not want it to happen. India knows more about its security than you.

No one is stopping Canada from kicking out all Indians if they want. Obviously they can keep Khalistanis there as they do not consider themselves to be Indian.

 

[sweep_shot]

UK calls for India to cooperate with Canada’s legal process as row deepens

Britain joined its Five Eyes intelligence partners on Wednesday in saying India’s cooperation with Canada’s legal process was “the right next step” in the deepening diplomatic row between the two countries, adding that it had full confidence in Canada’s judicial system.

Canadian police said on Monday they had credible evidence that Indian agents including India’s high commissioner to Canada were linked to the murder of the Sikh leader Hardeep Singh Nijjar on Canadian soil in June 2023 and accused Delhi of a broader effort to target Indian dissidents in Canada.

India has rejected the Canadian accusations and retaliated by ordering the expulsion of six high-ranking Canadian diplomats, including the acting high commissioner.

The British Foreign Office said in a statement: “We are in contact with our Canadian partners about the serious developments outlined in the independent investigations in Canada. The UK has full confidence in Canada’s judicial system … The government of India’s cooperation with Canada’s legal process is the right next step.”

UK calls for India to cooperate with Canada’s legal process as row deepens

Delhi expelled diplomats after Canadian police say they have evidence linking Indian agents to murder in Canada

www.theguardian.com

UK should keep an eye at home too. Wouldn't be surprised if Indian government is trying to do the same in UK.

 

[Champ_Pal]

UK should keep an eye at home too. Wouldn't be surprised if Indian government is trying to do the same in UK.

The only thing UK has to be worried is the threat of homegrown Islamists. What India does is least of their concern.

 

[cricketjoshila]

UK should keep an eye at home too. Wouldn't be surprised if Indian government is trying to do the same in UK.

What UK has witnessed is multiple terrorist attacks by Muslims. They are keeping an eye on them. Stripping them of citizenship in some cases.

 

[Devadwal]

Indian MEA responds on Trudeau’s deposition video

 

[Champ_Pal]

What UK has witnessed is multiple terrorist attacks by Muslims. They are keeping an eye on them. Stripping them of citizenship in some cases.

If you ask the likes of Sweep_shot, he will tell you that the biggest threat to the world peace is Hindutva and Modi.

Tomorrow morning if he wakes up with constipation, he will blame it on Saffron Terror.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Indian MEA responds on Trudeau’s deposition video
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One more year of this Trudeau clown show and he will be gone.

Normal relations will be resume in 2026.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indian MEA responds on Trudeau’s deposition video
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Canada has bitten off more than they can chew.

 

[Devadwal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846554454419706076

 

[rpant_gabba]

It's time for Canada to suspend all immigration from India and teach these paindu bhakts who are in power right now who the boss is here. India should be focussing on domestic law and order instead of whinging about long dead causes like Khalistan.

What a waste of good will.

have u seen Trudeau's testimony this morning?

do you put intel and evidence on the same level?

He said they had only intel. So canada made a public drama based on "intel"?

 

[rpant_gabba]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846589110942642457

 

[sweep_shot]

Separatist movement or not, India has no right to assassinate on Canadian soil. They can ask certain individuals to be extradicated. But, assassination on foreign soil is the behavior of a rogue state.

Don't think even Conservative government would be okay with this. This is a sovereignty issue.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Canadian Security Intelligence Service rep:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846357082179793371

 

[sweep_shot]

If Canada had any real backbone, they would have suspended ties with India (for Indian government's action) and send all Indian international students/work permit holders back. Uganda did something like this in the 1970's.

But, Trudeau is a pretty soft guy. So, nothing drastic will probably happen.

 

[rpant_gabba]

If Canada had any real backbone, they would have suspended ties with India (for Indian government's action) and send all Indian international students/work permit holders back. Uganda did something like this in the 1970's.

But, Trudeau is a pretty soft guy. So, nothing drastic will probably happen.

Uganda and Idi Amin? i congratulate on finding new lows. didn't think it was possible.

BTW he has done a good job of banning the palestinian organization

 

[cricketjoshila]

If Canada had any real backbone, they would have suspended ties with India (for Indian government's action) and send all Indian international students/work permit holders back. Uganda did something like this in the 1970's.

But, Trudeau is a pretty soft guy. So, nothing drastic will probably happen.

Do you know how much Indian students contribute to the education system of Canada?

Do you know the trade imbalance between India and Canada?

Do you know the major export of Canada to India? If India doesn't buy it from Canada, it can buy from another source. But what will it mean for NATO?

Ofcourse you support Idi Amin, goes right with your hindu and India hatred.

But this isn't 1970.

 

[Hitman]

Do you know how much Indian students contribute to the education system of Canada?

Do you know the trade imbalance between India and Canada?

Do you know the major export of Canada to India? If India doesn't buy it from Canada, it can buy from another source. But what will it mean for NATO?

Ofcourse you support Idi Amin, goes right with your hindu and India hatred.

But this isn't 1970.

Idi Amin? They'd showered love and support for the Nazis if their target were not Jews but Hindus from India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Idi Amin? They'd showered love and support for the Nazis if their target were not Jews but Hindus from India.

They did it already. Read about Amin AL Husseini and Hitler.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As per Trudeau asking for division of India is freedom of speech in Canada and legal.

Refusing to issue visas and confiscating assets of Khalistanis unless they cooperate with GoI is legal in India.

Trudeau seems to think Canadian laws take precedence everywhere.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Dada, he himself has confessed multiple times in the past that a Muslim from some other country means way more to him than a non Muslim from Bangladesh. You expect anything better from such a person?

He is a extremist. He hates non Muslims and wants them persecuted.

PP has been allowing such extremists to post anti Hindu stuff for sometime now.

Hopefully MenInG and Saj will put this down, else it's not long before the fall foul of laws in India atleast.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What UK has witnessed is multiple terrorist attacks by Muslims. They are keeping an eye on them. Stripping them of citizenship in some cases.

The UK will keep an eye on all terrorists, as they should. But that does not mean they will turn a blind eye to assassinations organised by govts on foreign soil. This Khalistan issue had died down in the international media but it is making the news again in British newspapers thanks to your govts ill advised adventurism.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The UK will keep an eye on all terrorists, as they should. But that does not mean they will turn a blind eye to assassinations organised by govts on foreign soil. This Khalistan issue had died down in the international media but it is making the news again in British newspapers thanks to your govts ill advised adventurism.

Do you see Indian government backing down against Canada? I don't.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Do you see Indian government backing down against Canada? I don't.

I didn't say anything about Indian govt backing down or ramping up. I said that the issue of Khalistan has been revived in the international media, which it has. I had previously thought it was a dying cause but seems like India's govt has inadvertently given it a big boost and brought it to the world's attention.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I didn't say anything about Indian govt backing down or ramping up. I said that the issue of Khalistan has been revived in the international media, which it has. I had previously thought it was a dying cause but seems like India's govt has inadvertently given it a big boost and brought it to the world's attention.

International media means nothing. There will not be a Khalistan in India because Someone in Canada or UK or Australia wants it.

You guys give too much value to "international media". If i am not wrong PP was saying the same when Article 370 was removed. Nothing happened.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Trudeau accuses India of 'massive mistake' amid diplomatic row

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has accused India of making a "massive mistake" that Canada could not ignore if Delhi was behind the death of a Sikh separatist leader last year on Canadian soil.

Trudeau made the comments two days after Canadian officials accused India of being involved in homicides, extortions and other violent acts targeting Indian dissidents on Canadian soil.

After Canada levelled the accusations on Monday, both countries expelled top envoys and diplomats, ramping up already strained tensions.

India has rejected the allegations as “preposterous”, and accused Trudeau of pandering to Canada’s large Sikh community for political gain.

On Wednesday, India hit back angrily again and called Trudeau's behaviour "cavalier".

"Canada has presented us no evidence whatsoever in support of the serious allegations that it has chosen to level against India and Indian diplomats," foreign ministry spokesperson Randhir Jaiswal said in a statement.

"The responsibility for the damage that this cavalier behaviour has caused to India-Canada relations lies with Prime Minister Trudeau alone."

In his remarks before a public inquiry looking into foreign interference in Canadian politics, Trudeau had criticised India's response to the investigation into Hardeep Singh Nijjar's killing in June 2023.

According to Trudeau, he was briefed on the murder later that summer and received intelligence that made it "incredibly clear" that India was involved in the killing.

He said Canada had to take any alleged violation of its sovereignty and the international rule of law seriously.

Mr Nijjar was shot and killed in Surrey, British Columbia. He had been a vocal supporter of the Khalistan movement, which demands a separate Sikh homeland, and publicly campaigned for it.

At the time, however, Canada's intelligence did not amount to hard evidence or proof, Trudeau told the inquiry.

Police have since charged four Indian nationals over the Mr Nijjar's death.

Trudeau said he had hoped to handle the matter “in a responsible way" that didn't "blow up" the bilateral relationship with a significant trade partner, but that Indian officials rebuffed Canada's requests for assistance into the probe.

"It was clear that the Indian government's approach was to criticise us and the integrity of our democracy," he said.

Shortly after he made the allegations public, saying in that September that Canada had "credible allegations" linking Indian government agents to the murder.

The prime minister also added on Wednesday more detail to further allegations released this week by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP).

The police force took the rare step of publicly disclosing information about multiple ongoing investigations “due to significant threat to public safety” in Canada.

RCMP said on Monday there had been “over a dozen credible and imminent threats to life” which “specifically” focused on members of the pro-Khalistan movement.

Subsequent investigations had led to police uncovering alleged criminal activity orchestrated by government of India agents, according to the RCMP.

Trudeau said the force made the announcement with “a goal of disrupting the chain of activities that was resulting in drive-by shootings, home invasions, violent extortion and even murder" in the South Asian community across Canada.

India has vehemently denied all allegations and maintained that Canada has provided no evidence to support its claims.

The RCMP and national security advisers travelled to Singapore last weekend to meet Indian officials - a meeting the RCMP said was not fruitful.

Following Monday's allegations from Canadian officials, the UK and US urged India to co-operate with Canada's legal process.

On Wednesday, the British Foreign Office said in a statement that it is in contact with Ottawa "about the serious developments outlined in the independent investigations in Canada".

The UK has full confidence in Canada’s judicial system,” the statement added.

"The Government of India's co-operation with Canada's legal process is the right next step."

The US, another close Canadian ally, said that India was not co-operating with Canadian authorities as the White House had hoped it would.

“We have made clear that the allegations are extremely serious and they need to be taken seriously and we want to see the government of India co-operate with Canada in its investigation," said spokesperson Matthew Miller at a US State Department briefing on Tuesday.

"Obviously, they have not chosen that path.”

Canada's foreign minister, Melanie Joly, has said that Ottawa is in close contact with the Five Eyes intelligence alliance - comprising the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand - on the matter.

BBC

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

International media means nothing. There will not be a Khalistan in India because Someone in Canada or UK or Australia wants it.

You guys give too much value to "international media". If i am not wrong PP was saying the same when Article 370 was removed. Nothing happened.

If it means nothing then you can ignore it right? Khalistan is being discussed again in international circles and it has been brought back to life by your govts actions. Even the fact your govt had to take such measures means they themselves must think the Khalistan activists have too much support inside of India. Otherwise they could ignore it as well.

 

[globetrotter]

Why suddenly Trudeau got aggressive on Nijjar killing? Next year Canada have general election.. early election opinion polls suggest that opposition have taken lead on Trudeau. This angers Trudeau as his party’s main voters are Canadian sikhs.

 

[KingKhanWC]

International media means nothing. There will not be a Khalistan in India because Someone in Canada or UK or Australia wants it.

You guys give too much value to "international media". If i am not wrong PP was saying the same when Article 370 was removed. Nothing happened.

You've been saying this monthly for the last 5 years.

Sure , then why is India targetting and killing Sikhs abroad if they are no threat?

 

[globetrotter]

If Canada had any real backbone, they would have suspended ties with India (for Indian government's action) and send all Indian international students/work permit holders back. Uganda did something like this in the 1970's.

But, Trudeau is a pretty soft guy. So, nothing drastic will probably happen.

Indian students accounts for 40% of students taking education in Canada. If they all back to India, it’s Canada to loose more on the revenue

 

[globetrotter]

You've been saying this monthly for the last 5 years.

Sure , then why is India targetting and killing Sikhs abroad if they are no threat?

Because they are threats to the nation and despite many requests from India, Canada government has totally failed to take any action against these terrorists.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Because they are threats to the nation and despite many requests from India, Canada government has totally failed to take any action against these terrorists.

Its illegal to kill anyone without a trial and against Int law to target anyone in another nation.

If you agree, then if one day Pakistan takes out Hindutva threats to them, you'd surely understand this too.

The truth is India has a Hindu extremist issue within its government, they want a pure Hindu homeland, which is more of a Bollywood 3 movie dream rather than reality.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Because they are threats to the nation and despite many requests from India, Canada government has totally failed to take any action against these terrorists.

It certainly seems the Khalistan issue is alive and kicking if the proponents are now seen as a threat by the Indian govt. What seemed a dormant cause has suddenly burst onto the international stage again, some may say Indian govt has played a big part in it.

 

[globetrotter]

Its illegal to kill anyone without a trial and against Int law to target anyone in another nation.

If you agree, then if one day Pakistan takes out Hindutva threats to them, you'd surely understand this too.

The truth is India has a Hindu extremist issue within its government, they want a pure Hindu homeland, which is more of a Bollywood 3 movie dream rather than reality.

Whether US give fair trial to Osama bin laden before killing him? Canada from Kanishka bombing to till date gave shelter to Khalistan terrorists. They neglected India’s many requests to handover these terrorists

 

[globetrotter]

It certainly seems the Khalistan issue is alive and kicking if the proponents are now seen as a threat by the Indian govt. What seemed a dormant cause has suddenly burst onto the international stage again, some may say Indian govt has played a big part in it.

No the real reason is Trudueo currently under fear of loosing next year’s election. He is just pleasing Canadian sikh community

 

[KingKhanWC]

Whether US give fair trial to Osama bin laden before killing him? Canada from Kanishka bombing to till date gave shelter to Khalistan terrorists. They neglected India’s many requests to handover these terrorists

USA are the biggest terrorist state in history. If you want to follow what they do, then you also believe killing anyone is valid at any level in society.

So ISI or China believes someone you know is a terrorist and kill them , maybe inc their whole family in India, you'd be ok with it? Yes or No?

 

[cricketjoshila]

You've been saying this monthly for the last 5 years.

Sure , then why is India targetting and killing Sikhs abroad if they are no threat?

Where is the proof? Trudeau himself said he had intelligence and not hard evidence.

Its illegal to kill anyone without a trial and against Int law to target anyone in another nation.

If you agree, then if one day Pakistan takes out Hindutva threats to them, you'd surely understand this too.

The truth is India has a Hindu extremist issue within its government, they want a pure Hindu homeland, which is more of a Bollywood 3 movie dream rather than reality.

Pakistan can try and then face the consequences.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Where is the proof? Trudeau himself said he had intelligence and not hard evidence.



Pakistan can try and then face the consequences.

So now in your view nobody was killed ,so India didnt try or failed in their mission to assasinate.

Acc to you Pak has been behind all killings of Indian occupying troops, nothing has happened to Pak.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No the real reason is Trudueo currently under fear of loosing next year’s election. He is just pleasing Canadian sikh community

This is the Indian govt official response which is denial. But Canada has disclosed credible information from their security services and mounted police and both the US and the UK have endorsed this information. Why would they do this if they thought that the Canadian allegations were false? All three see India as an important market, why would they want to jeopardise that with some made up story?

 

[cricketjoshila]

So now in your view nobody was killed ,so India didnt try or failed in their mission to assasinate.

Acc to you Pak has been behind all killings of Indian occupying troops, nothing has happened to Pak.

How is India responsible if anyone was killed? Trudeau himself says there is no hard evidence. Just intelligence.

If you think nothing has happened to Pak. Good. Hopefully this kind of Nothing keeps happening in Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is the Indian govt official response which is denial. But Canada has disclosed credible information from their security services and mounted police and both the US and the UK have endorsed this information. Why would they do this if they thought that the Canadian allegations were false? All three see India as an important market, why would they want to jeopardise that with some made up story?

Again, Trudeau said there is intelligence but no hard evidence.

US and UK said India should cooperate with Canada to help investigate. They haven't said these allegations are true and that India has done something.

RCMP as per Trudeau says that people were coerced into giving information on Khalistanis. The coercion was via visa denials and financial (likely seizure of assets in India). This i believe may be correct. So Trudeau now believes that India will not take any action on Khalistani supporters and force them to cooperate?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Again, Trudeau said there is intelligence but no hard evidence.

US and UK said India should cooperate with Canada to help investigate. They haven't said these allegations are true and that India has done something.

RCMP as per Trudeau says that people were coerced into giving information on Khalistanis. The coercion was via visa denials and financial (likely seizure of assets in India). This i believe may be correct. So Trudeau now believes that India will not take any action on Khalistani supporters and force them to cooperate?

 

[cricketjoshila]

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Basically this.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Again, Trudeau said there is intelligence but no hard evidence.

US and UK said India should cooperate with Canada to help investigate. They haven't said these allegations are true and that India has done something.

RCMP as per Trudeau says that people were coerced into giving information on Khalistanis. The coercion was via visa denials and financial (likely seizure of assets in India). This i believe may be correct. So Trudeau now believes that India will not take any action on Khalistani supporters and force them to cooperate?

US and UK have urged India to cooperate with Canada's legal process. Why would India not comply if they have nothing to hide? Let's not ignore the fact that both US and UK have NOT advised Canada to desist with baseless accusations. Clearly they believe from the shared intelligence that India is culpable of committing targeted hits on foreign soil.

 

[cricketjoshila]

US and UK have urged India to cooperate with Canada's legal process. Why would India not comply if they have nothing to hide? Let's not ignore the fact that both US and UK have NOT advised Canada to desist with baseless accusations. Clearly they believe from the shared intelligence that India is culpable of committing targeted hits on foreign soil.

Why will India comply with laws of another country? Is Canada complying with Indian laws?

US and UK has accepted India to co-operate with investigation.

US and UK hasnt said India is culpable of anything. All they have Said that India should cooperate.

Intelligence isn't evidence. And Canadian laws don't apply in India.

 

[sweep_shot]

US and UK have urged India to cooperate with Canada's legal process. Why would India not comply if they have nothing to hide? Let's not ignore the fact that both US and UK have NOT advised Canada to desist with baseless accusations. Clearly they believe from the shared intelligence that India is culpable of committing targeted hits on foreign soil.

Canada should take stricter actions against India. Indian government has crossed a red line by disrespecting Canada's sovereignty.

Indians are the ones who come to Canada to study/work/live. Not the other way around.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Canada should take stricter actions against India. Indian government has crossed a red line by disrespecting Canada's sovereignty.

Indians are the ones who come to Canada to study/work/live. Not the other way around.

Like what and how?

The only nation that can twist India's arm is US.

Canada is like Nawazuddin Siddiqi, but thinks it is Salman Khan

 

[globetrotter]

This is the Indian govt official response which is denial. But Canada has disclosed credible information from their security services and mounted police and both the US and the UK have endorsed this information. Why would they do this if they thought that the Canadian allegations were false? All three see India as an important market, why would they want to jeopardise that with some made up story?

No… Trudeau said they have only intel, no evidence, it shows how much Trudeau under fear of loosing next year’s election. US is giving more weightage to nijjar’s killing than attack on Indian consulate in San Francisco by Khalistan terrorists. Because US is a trader and have a largest arms and animation manufacturing in the world. They are seeing business opportunity in Khalistan movement by provoking this movement.

 

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1847035228918894597

 

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The Justice Department today announced the filing of murder-for-hire and money laundering charges against Indian government employee, Vikash Yadav, 39, also known as Vikas, and Amanat, in connection with his role in directing a foiled plot to assassinate a U.S. citizen in New York City. Yadav is charged in a second superseding indictment unsealed today in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York. Yadav’s alleged co-conspirator, Nikhil Gupta, 53, was previously charged and extradited to the United States on the charges contained in the first superseding indictment. Yadav remains at large.

“The Justice Department will be relentless in holding accountable any person — regardless of their position or proximity to power — who seeks to harm and silence American citizens,” said Attorney General Merrick B. Garland. “As alleged, last year, we foiled an attempt by Vikash Yadav, an Indian government employee, and his co-conspirator, Nikhil Gupta, to assassinate an American citizen on U.S. soil. Today’s charges demonstrate that the Justice Department will not tolerate attempts to target and endanger Americans and to undermine the rights to which every U.S. citizen is entitled.”

“The defendant, an Indian government employee, allegedly conspired with a criminal associate and attempted to assassinate a U.S. citizen on American soil for exercising their First Amendment rights,” said FBI Director Christopher Wray. “The FBI will not tolerate acts of violence or other efforts to retaliate against those residing in the U.S. for exercising their constitutionally protected rights. We are committed to working with our partners to detect, disrupt, and hold accountable foreign nationals or others who seek to engage in such acts of transnational repression.”

“Today’s charges are a grave example of the increase in lethal plotting and other forms of violent transnational repression targeting diaspora communities in the United States,” said Assistant Attorney General Matthew G. Olsen of the Justice Department’s National Security Division. “To the governments around the world who may be considering such criminal activity and to the communities they would target, let there be no doubt that the Department of Justice is committed to disrupting and exposing these plots and to holding the wrongful actors accountable no matter who they are or where they reside.”

“DEA foiled this assassination attempt last year and has continued to trace this case back to an employee of the Indian government whom we charge was an orchestrator of this intricate murder-for-hire scheme. DEA did not relent, and today’s indictment names Vikash Yadav as an alleged mastermind,” said Administrator Anne Milgram of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). “We charge that Yadav, an employee of the Indian government, used his position of authority and access to confidential information to direct the attempted assassination of an outspoken critic of the Indian government here on U.S. soil. This case was led by the DEA New York Division’s Drug Enforcement Task Force, which is comprised of DEA, the New York State Police, and the New York City Police Department, and is a true testament to the tenacity and determination of our team.”

“Last year, this office charged Nikhil Gupta for conspiring to assassinate a U.S. citizen of Indian origin on U.S. soil,” said U.S. Attorney Damian Williams. “But, as alleged, Gupta did not work alone. Today, we announce charges against an Indian government employee, Vikash Yadav, who orchestrated the plot from India and directed Gupta to hire a hitman to murder the victim. The right to exercise free speech is foundational to our democracy, and predicated on the notion that we can do so without fear of violence or reprisal, including from beyond our borders. Let this case be a warning to all those who would seek to harm and silence U.S. citizens: we will hold you accountable, no matter who and where you are.”

As alleged in the second superseding indictment and other public court documents, in 2023, Yadav, working together with others, including Gupta, in India, and elsewhere, directed a plot to assassinate on U.S. soil an attorney and political activist who is a U.S. citizen of Indian origin residing in New York City (the victim). The victim is a vocal critic of the Indian government and leads a U.S.-based organization that advocates for the secession of Punjab, a state in northern India that is home to a large population of Sikhs, an ethnoreligious minority group in India. The victim has publicly called for some or all of Punjab to secede from India and establish a Sikh sovereign state called Khalistan, and the Indian government has banned the victim and his separatist organization from India.

During times relevant to the second superseding indictment, Yadav was employed by the Government of India’s Cabinet Secretariat, which houses Indian’s foreign intelligence service, the Research and Analysis Wing. Yadav has described his position as a “senior field officer” with responsibilities in “security management” and “intelligence.” Yadav also has referenced previously serving in India’s Central Reserve Police Force and receiving “officer[] training” in “battle craft” and “weapons.” Yadav is a citizen and resident of India, and he directed the plot to assassinate the Victim from India.

In or about May 2023, Yadav recruited Gupta to orchestrate the assassination of the victim in the United States. Gupta is an Indian national who resided in India and has described his involvement in international narcotics and weapons trafficking in his communications with Yadav and others. At Yadav’s direction, Gupta contacted an individual whom Gupta believed to be a criminal associate, but who was in fact a confidential source (the CS) working with the DEA, for assistance in contracting a hitman to murder the victim in New York City. The CS introduced Gupta to a purported hitman, who was in fact a DEA undercover officer (the UC). Yadav subsequently agreed, in dealings brokered by Gupta, to pay the UC $100,000 to murder the victim. On or about June 9, 2023, Yadav and Gupta arranged for an associate to deliver $15,000 in cash to the UC as an advance payment for the murder. Yadav’s associate then delivered the $15,000 to the UC in Manhattan.

In or about June 2023, in furtherance of the assassination plot, Yadav provided Gupta with personal information about the victim, including the victim’s home address in New York City, phone numbers associated with the victim, and details about the victim’s day-to-day conduct, which Gupta then passed to the UC. Yadav directed Gupta to provide regular updates on the progress of the assassination plot, which Gupta accomplished by forwarding to Yadav, among other things, surveillance photographs of the victim. Gupta directed the UC to carry out the murder as soon as possible, but Gupta also specifically instructed the UC not to commit the murder around the time of the Indian Prime Minister’s official state visit to the United States, which was scheduled to begin on or about June 20, 2023.

On or about June 18, 2023, approximately two days before the Indian Prime Minister’s state visit to the United States, masked gunmen murdered Hardeep Singh Nijjar outside a Sikh temple in British Columbia, Canada. Nijjar was an associate of the victim, and, like the victim, was a leader of the Sikh separatist movement and an outspoken critic of the Indian government. On or about June 19, 2023, the day after the Nijjar murder, Gupta told the UC that Nijjar “was also the target” and “we have so many targets.” Gupta added that, in light of Nijjar’s murder, there was “now no need to wait” on killing the Victim. On or about June 20, 2023, Yadav sent Gupta a news article about the victim and messaged Gupta, “t’s [a] priority now.”

Yadav and Gupta of India have been charged with murder-for-hire, which carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison; conspiracy to commit murder-for-hire, which carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison; and conspiracy to commit money laundering, which carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison. A federal district court judge will determine any sentence after considering the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.

The DEA New York Division and the FBI New York Field Office’s Counterintelligence Division are investigating the case, with valuable assistance provided by the DEA Special Operations Division, DEA Vienna Country Office, FBI Prague Country Office, Justice Department’s Office of International Affairs, and Czech Republic’s National Drug Headquarters.

Assistant U.S. Attorneys Camille L. Fletcher, Ashley C. Nicolas, and Alexander Li for the Southern District of New York are prosecuting the case with assistance from Trial Attorney Christopher Cook of the National Security Division’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section and Trial Attorney A.J. Dixon of the National Security Division’s Counterterrorism Section.

An indictment is merely an allegation. All defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

Justice Department Announces Charges Against Indian Government Employee in Connection with Foiled Plot to Assassinate U.S. Citizen in New York City

The Justice Department today announced the filing of murder-for-hire and money laundering charges against Indian government employee, Vikash Yadav, 39, also known as Vikas, and Amanat, in connection with his role in directing a foiled plot to assassinate a U.S. citizen in New York City. Yadav is...

www.justice.gov

Where is proof saarr vee want proof!

 

[Red-Indian]

Like what and how?

The only nation that can twist India's arm is US.

Canada is like Nawazuddin Siddiqi, but thinks it is Salman Khan

The US has handled this very well indeed. They kept it low profile, invited an Indian investigative team to visit, showed them the evidence.

From there it's a guess but India's obviously accepted a scapegoat was needed to save the government's blushes. The clumsy guy - Vikash Yadav has been fired from service and officially charged by the DoJ

U.S. charges Indian citizen Vikash Yadav, aka ‘CC-1’ in murder-for-hire plot against Gurpatwant Singh Pannun

Yes Indian goofed up. Canada could've played it sensible and done something similar. Instead they've acted recklessly, backed us into a corner and ignited a major diplomatic rift.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If it means nothing then you can ignore it right? Khalistan is being discussed again in international circles and it has been brought back to life by your govts actions. Even the fact your govt had to take such measures means they themselves must think the Khalistan activists have too much support inside of India. Otherwise they could ignore it as well.

Again. Khalistanis have more support in Canada than India.

Nijjar had 2 Interpol RCNs pending against him yet Canada refused to act. He was wanted in India for violent crimes.

You don't ignore violent criminals.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The US has handled this very well indeed. They kept it low profile, invited an Indian investigative team to visit, showed them the evidence.

From there it's a guess but India's obviously accepted a scapegoat was needed to save the government's blushes. The clumsy guy - Vikash Yadav has been fired from service and officially charged by the DoJ

U.S. charges Indian citizen Vikash Yadav, aka ‘CC-1’ in murder-for-hire plot against Gurpatwant Singh Pannun

Yes Indian goofed up. Canada could've played it sensible and done something similar. Instead they've acted recklessly, backed us into a corner and ignited a major diplomatic rift.

Why do you go around making such stories?

Vikas Yadav is an ex intelligent officer. Retired. Not fired.

 

[Red-Indian]

Why do you go around making such stories?

Vikas Yadav is an ex intelligent officer. Retired. Not fired.

Yes ex-intelligence officer.

From the Times of India.

In an effort to ease tensions, an Indian committee tasked with reviewing the US case visited Washington on Tuesday for discussions. "We've received an update from them on the investigation that they have been conducting. It was a productive meeting," US State Department spokesman Matthew Miller told reporters. "They did inform us that the individual who was named in the Justice Department indictment is no longer an employee of the Indian government," he added. "We are satisfied with the cooperation."

Does that sound to you like someone who's acting rogue?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes ex-intelligence officer.

From the Times of India.



Does that sound to you like someone who's acting rogue?

Khalistanis have lots of enemies. Relatives of people they killed. Powerful people who were killed by Khalistanis, their relatives may be wanting revenge.

Is USA a fool to accept anything?

 

[BouncerGuy]

US charges former Indian spy allegedly linked to foiled murder plot

The United States has charged a former Indian intelligence officer who allegedly directed a foiled plot to murder a Sikh separatist in New York City last year.

An indictment of Vikash Yadav was ordered to be unsealed on Thursday, court records showed. Yadav was a former officer in India’s Research and Analysis Wing spy service, the records said. He remains at large.

The murder-for-hire plot was first disclosed by federal prosecutors last year when they announced charges against a man, Nikhil Gupta, who was recruited by a then unidentified Indian government employee to orchestrate the assassination of the Sikh separatist leader Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, a US citizen.

“The FBI will not tolerate acts of violence or other efforts to retaliate against those residing in the US for exercising their constitutionally protected rights,” the FBI director, Christopher Wray, said in a statement.

An Indian government committee investigating Indian involvement in the foiled murder plot met with US officials in Washington on Tuesday, a meeting that Washington described as productive.

The United States had been pushing India to look into the US justice department’s claim that an Indian intelligence official directed plans to assassinate Pannun.

On Wednesday, the state department said that US and Indian officials investigating the foiled murder plot had held a “productive” meeting in Washington.

The unsealing of the indictment came days after Canada expelled six Indian diplomats, after linking them to the 2023 murder of the Sikh separatist leader Hardeep Singh Nijjar on Canadian soil. India also ordered the expulsion of Canadian diplomats and denies Canada’s allegations.

On Wednesday, Justin Trudeau, Canada’s prime minister, accused India of violating Canadian sovereignty, saying Indian officials had been linked to a campaign of violence against Sikh activists which involved “drive-by shootings, home invasions, violent extortion and even murder in and across Canada”.

The accusations have tested Washington and Ottawa’s relations with India, often viewed by the west as a counterbalance to China.

India has labeled Sikh separatists as “terrorists” and threats to its security. Sikh separatists demand an independent homeland known as Khalistan to be carved out of India. An insurgency in India during the 1980s and 1990s led to tens of thousands of deaths.

THE GUARDIAN

 

[Red-Indian]

Khalistanis have lots of enemies. Relatives of people they killed. Powerful people who were killed by Khalistanis, their relatives may be wanting revenge.

Is USA a fool to accept anything?

They're obviously no fools but they also know India-US are strategic allies who have strong motivations not to upset the cart over some minor irritants. The US themselves have intervened extra-judicially in several countries so they understand India's motivations here.

However, they're also hypocrites who're okay to act in other countries themselves but don't want other countries acting in the States. Plus they have incredible intelligence gathering mechanisms so they caught us out.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Trudeau has made life difficult for the US, UK, Australia and oh yes Canada .
Strategic Advisors waiting for Canadian elections in 2025 for things to get back to normal again.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why will India comply with laws of another country? Is Canada complying with Indian laws?

US and UK has accepted India to co-operate with investigation.

US and UK hasnt said India is culpable of anything. All they have Said that India should cooperate.

Intelligence isn't evidence. And Canadian laws don't apply in India.

Why will India comply with laws of another country? Depends which country it is. Canada, UK and USA are all 5 Eyes member countries. There's a reason why India is not. Ask Iraq, iran or Russia what happens when you don't comply with the laws of these countries.

 

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[rpant_gabba]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847258936245649526

Canada’s former NSA Jody Thomas testifies- initial intelligence & police probe pointed killing of Nijjar was retaliation for murder of Ripudaman Singh Malik, accused in 1985 Air India Kanishka bombing.

 

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1847258936245649526

Canada’s former NSA Jody Thomas testifies- initial intelligence & police probe pointed killing of Nijjar was retaliation for murder of Ripudaman Singh Malik, accused in 1985 Air India Kanishka bombing.

Nice cherry pick

“Nijjar’s killing was the second high-profile murder in the same gurdwara,” Thomas said. “Mr Malik’s murder had occurred almost exactly the year before. The initial hypothesis was that it was a retaliation. But the community was raising concern,” Thomas said during the testimony.
Through very good intelligence and policing work, we learnt that there was a high probability that this was an extra-judicial killing,” Thomas stated.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why will India comply with laws of another country? Depends which country it is. Canada, UK and USA are all 5 Eyes member countries. There's a reason why India is not. Ask Iraq, iran or Russia what happens when you don't comply with the laws of these countries.

Why will India need to join such a alliance?

No we don't comply with laws of Canada or UK or USA. They don't apply in India.

India has a very close relationship with Russia. What has happened to India?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why will India need to join such a alliance?

No we don't comply with laws of Canada or UK or USA. They don't apply in India.

India has a very close relationship with Russia. What has happened to India?

I didn't say anything about India joining any alliance. Is this some sort of attempt to deflect?

 

[rpant_gabba]

Nice cherry pick

“Nijjar’s killing was the second high-profile murder in the same gurdwara,” Thomas said. “Mr Malik’s murder had occurred almost exactly the year before. The initial hypothesis was that it was a retaliation. But the community was raising concern,” Thomas said during the testimony.
Through very good intelligence and policing work, we learnt that there was a high probability that this was an extra-judicial killing,” Thomas stated.

all it means is sikhs in Canada are bunch of criminal thugs with a variety of conflicts

and it is up to canada to have proof before crying to the world

 

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all it means is sikhs in Canada are bunch of criminal thugs with a variety of conflicts

and it is up to canada to have proof before crying to the world

Nice blanket statement. I guess that means all Hindus are engaged in murder on foreign soil.

 

[Champ_Pal]

all it means is sikhs in Canada are bunch of criminal thugs with a variety of conflicts

and it is up to canada to have proof before crying to the world

Not all of them. Many are victims of these visa scam where every Surjit, Balwant and CharanJeet got visas on various grounds. Mostly Asylum and Student. These people pay hefty amounts to reach Canada. Once they go there, they realize it is a scam. These jobless people are targeted by the Khalistani thugs to do all kinds of illegal activities including drugs, extortion. A sad situation.

Khalistanis are vocal minority in Canada. But they have a firm grip on the Sikh society there.

It is indeed hilarious that Canada is accusing India of target killing Nijjar, but wants evidence from India by investigating itself.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Nice blanket statement. I guess that means all Hindus are engaged in murder on foreign soil.

And its up to those who make that claim to prove it if they want any legal action.

India has 20+ extradition demands of Khalistani terrorists from canada which they have ignored.

They shouldn't expect India to fold based on some vague intelligence