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Energy said:
He's taking the easy way out silently after losing all credibility. Poor guy was cheering for Asif who eventually had to be thrown out for Pakistan to start winning.
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What easy way out? Rizwan has to play a final on the bouncy track of MCG with the ball talking against Woakes. I would humble yourself if I was your sorry ‘Fakhar at 4’ tashreef.
 
hitthestump said:
Lol, please show me any reputable list of stats which shows "trophies won" as a parameter for success :))

I know it hurts but you can control the limit to which you sink. It's ok to admit you are wrong and i'll respect you a lot for it.
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What is the parameter of success then? Baseless stats?

So you're agreeing that India doesn't play to win it? What kinda sports get respect if trophies won isn't the criteria. Nadal, Djokovic, Federer are the GOATs for the trophies they have won. Not for their stylish backhand or spectactular forehand.
 
Before the semi-final between India and England at the Adelaide Oval, Gavaskar said that if Pakistan do go on to win the tournament, then Babar Azam would become the Prime Minister of the country in 2048. This comment left Michael Atherton and Shane Watson in splits.

"You know what, if Pakistan do win the World Cup, in 2048 Babar Azam would be the Prime Minister of Pakistan," Gavaskar said on Star Sports.
 
heddie19 said:
What is the parameter of success then? Baseless stats?

So you're agreeing that India doesn't play to win it? What kinda sports get respect if trophies won isn't the criteria. Nadal, Djokovic, Federer are the GOATs for the trophies they have won. Not for their stylish backhand or spectactular forehand.
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I think you're confused because you're comparing an individual sport like tennis with team games.

Some claim here that Kamran Akmal is a superior player to Rizwan because he was part of a WC winning side on one occasion. I have stated that no reputable set of stats in cricket really considers this metric when adjudging individual players.

Please show me otherwise if you think i'm wrong though.
 
hitthestump said:
I think you're confused because you're comparing an individual sport like tennis with team games.

Some claim here that Kamran Akmal is a superior player to Rizwan because he was part of a WC winning side on one occasion. I have stated that no reputable set of stats in cricket really considers this metric when adjudging individual players.

Please show me otherwise if you think i'm wrong though.
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I am not talking about what someone claims. There is a gulf between Rizwan and Kamran Akmal hence a WC wont do much in favor of Kamran. If I talked about individual sports. Let's talk about football. Messi and Ronaldo, just 1 CL seperates them and that's why Messi moved to PSG because PSG had more chance to lift it than Barcelona. We all know how menacing Messi's international career was before winning the Copa since Ronaldo won Euro for Portugal.
Trophies matter the most in every sport and they are in it to win it. No one cares about who scored most runs in Amul presents india vs SL series.

PS. Uthappa isn't greater than Kohli in T20is just because he won a WC. Don't confuse yourself.
 
emranabbas said:
Had this been on a different pitch the story would have been different. Not everyone is a player worshipper those who were saying to change the opening combination were saying it for the betterment of the PAKISTAN CRICKET TEAM not due to personal hate if these can fire like this every other game and do their job properly don't think anyone will have an issue with this pair
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Welcome back to reality
 
This thread is about babar the batsmen after some cheap runs on dubai like ground and I think he's struggled and out??
 
emranabbas said:
This thread is about babar the batsmen after some cheap runs on dubai like ground and I think he's struggled and out??
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Thread title is about BA and his side - its not about his performance.

Wait until game over to get your knives out.
 
MenInG said:
Before the semi-final between India and England at the Adelaide Oval, Gavaskar said that if Pakistan do go on to win the tournament, then Babar Azam would become the Prime Minister of the country in 2048. This comment left Michael Atherton and Shane Watson in splits.

"You know what, if Pakistan do win the World Cup, in 2048 Babar Azam would be the Prime Minister of Pakistan," Gavaskar said on Star Sports.
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So, Gavaskar is confident Pakistan will not win this final. Well, in 1992 he was supporting us, but I guess now he is on BCCI payroll.
 
MenInG said:
Thread title is about BA and his side - its not about his performance.

Wait until game over to get your knives out.
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This thread was created in response to babar failing all games and suddenly getting his form back in the previous game but now he's back to square 1
 
emranabbas said:
This thread was created in response to babar failing all games and suddenly getting his form back in the previous game but now he's back to square 1
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Specifically done by me to talk about people who had been bad mouthing this team.

Anyways carry on.
 
You will soon see the difference in how both India and Pakistan tackle their disgraceful exits from the WC. Pakistanis will celebrate playing the finals even if they lose miserably to England, and the entire selection and strategy will receive an "OK" stamp from both the management and the people.

India will go back to the drawing board. There are already rumors that players over 30 won't be included in Team india's future T20 squads. You will see a systematic approach, and even if they lose the next Worldcup, it will not be for the same reasons as the previous one.

We will play terribly in the next season for the same reasons as the current WC, until a miracle bales us out and the cycle of smugness continues.
 
Shown their awqaat today. Well done for punching above their weight though. But that’s as good as it gets.
 
SM1989 said:
Shown their awqaat today. Well done for punching above their weight though. But that’s as good as it gets.
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It's fine - we did better than many others.

Life moves on - main thing is to learn some lessons.
 
MenInG said:
It's fine - we did better than many others.

Life moves on - main thing is to learn some lessons.
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The only issue is they won’t learn any lessons. Will simply shrug their shoulders and say “hey we made the finals, it wasn’t our day unfortunately”
 
[MENTION=134362]hitthestump[/MENTION] [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

This was always on the cards. There was no need to get so smug. Babar and Rizwan both failed once again in an important T20I game with an appalling combined total strike rate of 111 during the powerplay overs in a final.

Let this be a lesson, not to get carried away so soon! Especially you Redwood, as this has blown back at your face for the second time in recent weeks.

As it stands, this opening pair have failed in 80% of important T20I matches and with no tournament wins. They're overrated and not made for the big occasion.
 
Babar SR in Knock Out games is 114.

Babr KO games 2021 SF and 2022 Final 39(34) and 32(28) played with 114 SR.
 
Babar is a champion. He was batting beautifully on what has been a tough venue for openers right throughout the WC. Proud of his effort. A few more overs of his batting would have meant game over for England
 
Until he doesn't learn to make use of the batting powerplay we are not going to win anything
Playing out the newball ball and playing out bowlers isn't t20 cricket. T20 is attacking cricket. Drop to free and get some aggressive boys to open
 
topspin said:
[MENTION=134362]hitthestump[/MENTION] [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

This was always on the cards. There was no need to get so smug. Babar and Rizwan both failed once again in an important T20I game with an appalling combined total strike rate of 111 during the powerplay overs in a final.

Let this be a lesson, not to get carried away so soon! Especially you Redwood, as this has blown back at your face for the second time in recent weeks.

As it stands, this opening pair have failed in 80% of important T20I matches and with no tournament wins. They're overrated and not made for the big occasion.
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Redwood is still alright.

This Hitmystumps guy talks like he is Ricky Ponting here
 
Ahmed216 said:
Babar is a champion. He was batting beautifully on what has been a tough venue for openers right throughout the WC. Proud of his effort. A few more overs of his batting would have meant game over for England
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Lol

Did you see his unranked counterparts Butler on the same wicket?
 
Once again it was proven to be true a different opening partnership would’ve given the team more chance to be successful neither of the openers were going to do something good on this ground.

Our coaches analysts are similar to the openers too stubborn lacking any flexibility to give the team the best chance of success.
 
Rana said:
Lol

Did you see his unranked counterparts Butler on the same wicket?
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Buttler is best in the world. Did u watch the WC games at the MCG. Stop with your RizBab obsession u come across as a hater who waits for them to fail
 
For those hateful posters that continue with toxic posts...
Butler played brilliantly at the top today, with freedom chasing a low goals. and yet what was his strike rate?
 
Rana said:
Lol

Did you see his unranked counterparts Butler on the same wicket?
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It was a tough pitch. Butler scored 26 off 17, not 35 off 17.

Babar was put in after the toss in overcast conditions. Didn't know the pitch. Butler did. He also had the luxury of knowing a low target.

Yet, Pakistan were 84 off 11 overs or whatever when Babar got out.

I don't think based on this game, there is a case against Babar. But I do think they need Haris or Fakhar to open with Babar.
 
In this tournament, Babar averaged 17 with a strike rate of 93. Rizwan averaged 25 with a strike rate of 109.

They were terrible.

18 dot balls in the powerplay today - that's 50%. Not good enough.
 
IMMY69 said:
For those hateful posters that continue with toxic posts...
Butler played brilliantly at the top today, with freedom chasing a low goals. and yet what was his strike rate?
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It’s an interesting comparison he still did better than Pakistan’s openers and what’s more interesting is his tournament strike rate compared to the Pakistani openers but why speak against Babar and Rizwan as it’s hateful and toxic.
 
topspin said:
In this tournament, Babar averaged 17 with a strike rate of 93. Rizwan averaged 25 with a strike rate of 109.

They were terrible.

18 dot balls in the powerplay today - that's 50%. Not good enough.
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They still slightly better than our dumb openers KL and Rohit.
 
topspin said:
In this tournament, Babar averaged 17 with a strike rate of 93. Rizwan averaged 25 with a strike rate of 109.

They were terrible.

18 dot balls in the powerplay today - that's 50%. Not good enough.
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England had 19! The difference was a Pakistanish 50 from Stokes.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Buttler is best in the world. Did u watch the WC games at the MCG. Stop with your RizBab obsession u come across as a hater who waits for them to fail
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You are so wrong

I’m at their throats all the time.
 
IMMY69 said:
Watching you make a complete fool of yourself is not funny. Have some self respect
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But how am I making a fool of myself? Elaborate


Are my posts as flimsy as Rizwan’s batting in Australia?
 
Babar Azam and Co were finalists when many other sides failed so well done to them.
 
Babar has his limitations when it comes to SR and clueless against leg spin but he is the best option available
 
Most balls faced in a t20wc tournament without hitting six:
140 -Shoaib malik (2009)
133- Babar Azam (2022)
125 - Ervine(2022)
106-Munsey (2022)
105-salman butt (07)
105- Ahmed Sehzad (2016)
 
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Most balls faced in a t20wc tournament without hitting six:
140 -Shoaib malik (2009)
133- Babar Azam (2022)
125 - Ervine(2022)
106-Munsey (2022)
105-salman butt (07)
105- Ahmed Sehzad (2016)
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133-0
 
topspin said:
[MENTION=134362]hitthestump[/MENTION] [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

This was always on the cards. There was no need to get so smug. Babar and Rizwan both failed once again in an important T20I game with an appalling combined total strike rate of 111 during the powerplay overs in a final.

Let this be a lesson, not to get carried away so soon! Especially you Redwood, as this has blown back at your face for the second time in recent weeks.

As it stands, this opening pair have failed in 80% of important T20I matches and with no tournament wins. They're overrated and not made for the big occasion.
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First off, you of all people should be the last one to talk about things blowing up in other people's faces after the ill-fated comments you made in that Pakistan v Zimbabwe Match Discussion Thread. I think we all know perfectly well how much you came to regret those comments. But it seems like you have not learned your lesson from that experience.

Second off, I don't think anything blew up in my face. I made it clear long before the World Cup even started in a thread made by [MENTION=3187]fight_club[/MENTION], that I was wrong about the Babar-Rizwan combo. and that they shouldn't be opening together. But once it was decided that those two would be opening at the World Cup, changing horses mid-stream was not an option.

Overall, Pakistan had a very good tournament. And as much as this defeat in the final stings, I'm happy knowing that Pakistan has a bright future ahead of them and the nucleus of a potentially great team. Babar and Rizwan may have failed to deliver this time, but they have long careers ahead of them and I'm certain that they will be at the center of future ICC tournament victories for Pakistan.

When Stokes bowled that over in the 2016 T20 WC final, there were people who called him mentally weak, and labelled him as "overrated" or 'nOt mAdE fOr tHe bIg OcCasSiOn', just as you are labelling Babar and Rizwan here. And look what he accomplished in just the last 3 years.

Point is this, match-winners and world-class players don't stay down for long. You can't keep them down. And Pakistan has plenty of match-winners and world-class players in their line-up...many of whom are very young and have very long careers ahead of them. I know all this might be very difficult for a miserable malcontent such as yourself to fathom, but it will be proven true with the passage of time.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
First off, you of all people should be the last one to talk about things blowing up in other people's faces after the ill-fated comments you made in that Pakistan v Zimbabwe Match Discussion Thread. I think we all know perfectly well how much you came to regret those comments. But it seems like you have not learned your lesson from that experience.

Second off, I don't think anything blew up in my face. I made it clear long before the World Cup even started in a thread made by [MENTION=3187]fight_club[/MENTION], that I was wrong about the Babar-Rizwan combo. and that they shouldn't be opening together. But once it was decided that those two would be opening at the World Cup, changing horses mid-stream was not an option.

Overall, Pakistan had a very good tournament. And as much as this defeat in the final stings, I'm happy knowing that Pakistan has a bright future ahead of them and the nucleus of a potentially great team. Babar and Rizwan may have failed to deliver this time, but they have long careers ahead of them and I'm certain that they will be at the center of future ICC tournament victories for Pakistan.

When Stokes bowled that over in the 2016 T20 WC final, there were people who called him mentally weak, and labelled him as "overrated" or 'nOt mAdE fOr tHe bIg OcCasSiOn', just as you are labelling Babar and Rizwan here. And look what he accomplished in just the last 3 years.

Point is this, match-winners and world-class players don't stay down for long. You can't keep them down. And Pakistan has plenty of match-winners and world-class players in their line-up...many of whom are very young and have very long careers ahead of them. I know all this might be very difficult for a miserable malcontent such as yourself to fathom, but it will be proven true with the passage of time.
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I've been critical of the batting from Babar and Rizwan because of their repeated failures in important games. Even I didn't expect the opening pair to choke as badly as they did during the group stage of the tournament.

I can't stand selfish batting. You might because you have an appetite for mediocrity as evident by your blind support for Misbah over the years.

As I've mentioned before it was after Babar and Rizwan chased 200+ against England in that 10 wicket win, when you who decided to score points and get all toxic. I then responded to that after we lost against Zimbabwe not to prove a point but simply to get you to understand how easy it is for fans like yourself to forget a series of bad performances in important matches after a meaningless win in a bilateral game against a B/C string bowling attack.

Instead of enjoying the semi final as a sane fan would, you decided to use this as the opportunity to attack me instead. With this mind of yours, why not wait after the result of the final rather letting it blow back in your face? You have a habit of jumping to conclusions too soon like you did with the Kane Williamson v Joe Root comparison. Learn to post with your head and not with your emotions.

Pakistan may have match winners and world class players but it won't win until:

1. Pakistan cricket wipes out the Misbah school of thought for good
2. Babar is axed from captaincy and is replaced by a competent leader.
3. Ending the Babar and Rizwan opening combination. The former must bat at 3. A dynamic opener is required to take Pakistan from being a run a ball team in the powerplay to around 8 runs per over during these overs
4. Saqlain replaced by a decent overseas coach.

If you think Pakistan can win with just a small group of bright prospects then I very much doubt it'll happen anytime soon but I'd love to be proven wrong and see us win the World Cup in front of the Indian crowd. Lets just hope there's no repeat of Mohali tuk tuk from your hero.
 
topspin said:
I've been critical of the batting from Babar and Rizwan because of their repeated failures in important games. Even I didn't expect the opening pair to choke as badly as they did during the group stage of the tournament.

I can't stand selfish batting. You might because you have an appetite for mediocrity as evident by your blind support for Misbah over the years.

As I've mentioned before it was after Babar and Rizwan chased 200+ against England in that 10 wicket win, when you who decided to score points and get all toxic. I then responded to that after we lost against Zimbabwe not to prove a point but simply to get you to understand how easy it is for fans like yourself to forget a series of bad performances in important matches after a meaningless win in a bilateral game against a B/C string bowling attack.

Instead of enjoying the semi final as a sane fan would, you decided to use this as the opportunity to attack me instead. With this mind of yours, why not wait after the result of the final rather letting it blow back in your face? You have a habit of jumping to conclusions too soon like you did with the Kane Williamson v Joe Root comparison. Learn to post with your head and not with your emotions.

Pakistan may have match winners and world class players but it won't win until:

1. Pakistan cricket wipes out the Misbah school of thought for good
2. Babar is axed from captaincy and is replaced by a competent leader.
3. Ending the Babar and Rizwan opening combination. The former must bat at 3. A dynamic opener is required to take Pakistan from being a run a ball team in the powerplay to around 8 runs per over during these overs
4. Saqlain replaced by a decent overseas coach.

If you think Pakistan can win with just a small group of bright prospects then I very much doubt it'll happen anytime soon but I'd love to be proven wrong and see us win the World Cup in front of the Indian crowd. Lets just hope there's no repeat of Mohali tuk tuk from your hero.
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I think your opinions on cricket mean about as much as a 5-0 ODI series in Zimbabwe. So I'm not going to bother dignifying any of them with a response. Half of them will probably be proven wrong before the end of the year anyway and then you will be left looking like a fool, just as you were after you made those ill-fated comments on the Pakistan-Zimbabwe Match Discussion thread.

As far as Misbah is concerned, he has more cricketing acumen in his toes than you ever will in your entire life. He is also the most successful Pakistan test captain of all-time. If you don't know how to talk about a Pakistani cricket legend with proper respect than don't bother talking about him at all.
 
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I still doubt the tactics, the selection and the approach.

They played well against South Africa and New Zealand, but let's be honest we scraped into the semi-finals only due to a freak result by Netherlands.

There's no message regarding the doubts. It's still a case of very good bowlers together with mediocre batting.
 
IMMY69 said:
For those hateful posters that continue with toxic posts...
Butler played brilliantly at the top today, with freedom chasing a low goals. and yet what was his strike rate?
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If people still don't realise the openers are the problem then I pity then. 3 cups down how many more will the tiny duo cost us?
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
If people still don't realise the openers are the problem then I pity then. 3 cups down how many more will the tiny duo cost us?
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Rizbar have had a bad run as of late and they do need to work on their strike rate, but we lost the finals because we could not score runs in the last 9 overs and Shaheen got injured at a very bad time.
 
Caved12 said:
Rizbar have had a bad run as of late and they do need to work on their strike rate, but we lost the finals because we could not score runs in the last 9 overs and Shaheen got injured at a very bad time.
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No momentum from the openers facing Stokes and Jordan. That's criminal and cost us the final.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
No momentum from the openers facing Stokes and Jordan. That's criminal and cost us the final.
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Does not make any sense. Let me remind you we were 84/2 in the first 11 overs. With 8 wickets in hand, any other team would surely get at least 70 or 80 in the last 9 no matter what the openers did or how slow they played.
 
shamaan said:
Was Babar and Rizwan the problem in previews major tournaments ?
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They all have short memory. We tried everyone at the opening positions and exhausted all techniques and tricks to make them work, but unfortunately they all failed miserably until Babar and Rizwan made it work. For a long time they both scored big and that too at a very decent strike rate and only failed recently, but that sample size is way too small and can't be taken seriously.
 
Caved12 said:
Does not make any sense. Let me remind you we were 84/2 in the first 11 overs. With 8 wickets in hand, any other team would surely get at least 70 or 80 in the last 9 no matter what the openers did or how slow they played.
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That was mainly down to Shan. Yes we choked in the last 9 overs but like in the Asia cup final the opening over set the tone. A terrible over by Stokes was let off. Same as Asia cup we were given 10 runs off 1 ball and these 2 still played defensive.
 
Caved12 said:
They all have short memory. We tried everyone at the opening positions and exhausted all techniques and tricks to make them work, but unfortunately they all failed miserably until Babar and Rizwan made it work. For a long time they both scored big and that too at a very decent strike rate and only failed recently, but that sample size is way too small and can't be taken seriously.
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Coincidentally fail in the big matches?????
 
Caved12 said:
They all have short memory. We tried everyone at the opening positions and exhausted all techniques and tricks to make them work, but unfortunately they all failed miserably until Babar and Rizwan made it work. For a long time they both scored big and that too at a very decent strike rate and only failed recently, but that sample size is way too small and can't be taken seriously.
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But I still think Babar should drop down to 3 in my opinion.
 
shamaan said:
But I still think Babar should drop down to 3 in my opinion.
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I agree. Babar is too good a player and can bat anywhere from 1 to 5 and make it work no matter what the country or conditions are. He should be willing to sacrifice his position to fit in another opener who wishes to play at his original position.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
That was mainly down to Shan. Yes we choked in the last 9 overs but like in the Asia cup final the opening over set the tone. A terrible over by Stokes was let off. Same as Asia cup we were given 10 runs off 1 ball and these 2 still played defensive.
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Can't defend his innings in that Asia cup final, but what did others do? Can't blame Rizbar all the time for our middle order issues.
 
Caved12 said:
I agree. Babar is too good a player and can bat anywhere from 1 to 5 and make it work no matter what the country or conditions are. He should be willing to sacrifice his position to fit in another opener who wishes to play at his original position.
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Yes definitely hopefully he understands its for the good off his team.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I think your opinions on cricket mean about as much as a 5-0 ODI series in Zimbabwe. So I'm not going to bother dignifying any of them with a response. Half of them will probably be proven wrong before the end of the year anyway and then you will be left looking like a fool, just as you were after you made those ill-fated comments on the Pakistan-Zimbabwe Match Discussion thread.

As far as Misbah is concerned, he has more cricketing acumen in his toes than you ever will in your entire life. He is also the most successful Pakistan test captain of all-time. If you don't know how to talk about a Pakistani cricket legend with proper respect than don't bother talking about him at all.
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Nothing was "ill fated" about it. All I did was criticise Babar and Rizwan - which I stand by because everyone knows this opening duo failed in the tournament. They nearly always get exposed against first string attacks on the big stage.

Easy to be the most successful test captain of all time when you have Younis Khan (ATG player of spin), Saeed Ajmal and Yasir Shah at your disposal. Anyone in his place would have had the same results, if not better. A case in point (albeit different formats) is when Sarfraz took over from Misbah as the white ball captain. Why did Pakistan go from accomplishing nothing in the 2013 CT (after losing all their games) to winning the tournament (also held in England) in 2017?

Also this legend has a history of failure and incompetence because of his low cricketing IQ. The worst thing you can do is pass on your ignorance especially when you have no relevant qualifications and experience to be in a coaching role in the first place.

That's exactly what Misbah did and that can be reflected by his decision to come up with this opening pair of Babar and Rizwan who have failed Pakistan in important games 80% of the time.

"As far as Misbah is concerned, he has more cricketing acumen in his toes than you ever will in your entire life"

All I can do is laugh and pity you for coming up with this utter tripe. Unlike yourself, I have higher standards and certainly don't settle for mediocrity with your cult following of Misbah.

FYI, prior to Misbah's appointment as Head Coach, 80% of those who voted in that PP thread were against it (including myself) because we know what the outcome was going to be and we were proven to be correct.
 
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Does not make any sense. Let me remind you we were 84/2 in the first 11 overs. With 8 wickets in hand, any other team would surely get at least 70 or 80 in the last 9 no matter what the openers did or how slow they played.
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I would have agreed with you if cricket was played on paper or cricinfo but unfortunately isn't
 
topspin said:
That's exactly what Misbah did and that can be reflected by his decision to come up with this opening pair of Babar and Rizwan who have failed Pakistan in important games 80% of the time.

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Not only 80%. If we see records, Babar & Rizwan have rarely played match winning innings in any crucial match such as final, semifinal or bilateral series decider. They never rose to the occasion in big matches
 
zaidihusain said:
Not only 80%. If we see records, Babar & Rizwan have rarely played match winning innings in any crucial match such as final, semifinal or bilateral series decider. They never rose to the occasion in big matches
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I'm with you on this. The only 2 important matches where at least one of Babar and Rizwan have delivered were against India in last year's WT20 and recently against New Zealand in the Semi Final.
 
topspin said:
I'm with you on this. The only 2 important matches where at least one of Babar and Rizwan have delivered were against India in last year's WT20 and recently against New Zealand in the Semi Final.
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Bro even in these two games the Middle/lower order would chase those runs or get very close to them had these two bottled it as they usually do
 
Rana said:
Bro even in these two games the Middle/lower order would chase those runs or get very close to them had these two bottled it as they usually do
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Yes,They were just middling score and Against india there was dew that helped them if they were out still someone would have chased it easily, And they performed against New Zealand because Sydney pitch is always like subcontinent style else if it had Pace,Bounce they would've surrendered they are good only when bounce is not above waist level
If pakistan had played sharjeel khan, Haris in opening it was their cup.
 
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World T20 especially in this particular group was always a case of having 2 good days to get through to final. Originally it was a three way fight. SA/Pak/India. So these teams bare minimum bad to have good one day in preliminary matches, beat minnows have another good day in the semi.. booom you are through to final. Fairly simple. SA drawing with zimboks/losing to Netherlands and Pakistan losing to zimbabwe made this wildly unpredictable.
 
Rana said:
Bro even in these two games the Middle/lower order would chase those runs or get very close to them had these two bottled it as they usually do
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No doubt they played well only in those two games when the target was below par & easily chaseable. However, more than these two, it is bowlers who deserve credit as they were phenomenal in those two games. Even after playing so many T20I games, these two never have clear plan how to set up the innings specially while batting first. They still play with a mindset of setting a target of 150-160 and too with a support of lower middle order in last 3-4 overs. That's why Pakistan lost 2021 WC Semi, Asia Cup final & now this T20 WC final
 
topspin said:
Nothing was "ill fated" about it. All I did was criticise Babar and Rizwan - which I stand by because everyone knows this opening duo failed in the tournament. They nearly always get exposed against first string attacks on the big stage.

Easy to be the most successful test captain of all time when you have Younis Khan (ATG player of spin), Saeed Ajmal and Yasir Shah at your disposal. Anyone in his place would have had the same results, if not better. A case in point (albeit different formats) is when Sarfraz took over from Misbah as the white ball captain. Why did Pakistan go from accomplishing nothing in the 2013 CT (after losing all their games) to winning the tournament (also held in England) in 2017?

Also this legend has a history of failure and incompetence because of his low cricketing IQ. The worst thing you can do is pass on your ignorance especially when you have no relevant qualifications and experience to be in a coaching role in the first place.

That's exactly what Misbah did and that can be reflected by his decision to come up with this opening pair of Babar and Rizwan who have failed Pakistan in important games 80% of the time.

"As far as Misbah is concerned, he has more cricketing acumen in his toes than you ever will in your entire life"

All I can do is laugh and pity you for coming up with this utter tripe. Unlike yourself, I have higher standards and certainly don't settle for mediocrity with your cult following of Misbah.

FYI, prior to Misbah's appointment as Head Coach, 80% of those who voted in that PP thread were against it (including myself) because we know what the outcome was going to be and we were proven to be correct.
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Nothing you say will change the legacy that Misbah has left behind. A man who lifted a joke from a team fractured by inner-politics out of the ashes of the spot-fixing scandal...made them unbeatable at their adopted home and took them to the top of the Test Rankings.
 
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Babar abused today by some fans - calling him Zimbabar!

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MenInG said:
Babar abused today by some fans - calling him Zimbabar!

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Not a great year for him.

-atrocious Asia cup tournament
-Lost a home T20 series against England
-horrendous world T20
-ousted by Karachi Kings
-on the brink of losing a home Test series again this time against England
 
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