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Was Mohammad Haris justified in his comments on Babar Azam?

Was Mohammad Haris justified in his comments on Babar Azam?

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IronShield said:
"Haris at no 3, avg 28 and sr 161. End of story."

Strike rate is not 161, it's 117. 28 average is inflated due to not out.

He's had 10 innings at 3

Average = 28
Sr = 117

Now if you remove that one 100, and compare the other 9 innings:

Average = 16
Sr = 105

I would suggest that the other 9 times batting at 3 are closer to true reflection of his ability, which itself is inflated as he is in rapid decline as people know where to bowl to him and where to place the fields.
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SR is 161 at number 3, @mominsaigol is correct.

It's inflated by that one series though, the recent form even at that position is quite pathetic.
 
gazza619 said:
Although I am a Babar supporter, I see no issue with what Haris has brought up. In the Western world, feedback works both ways, and it is an essential part of our annual review and assessment process.

It's important to recognise that both seniors and juniors have valuable insights to share with each other.
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Feedback amongst professionals is fine and works both ways.

With Haris it’s a different story because he shouldn’t be going to thakkar shows and criticising his national teammates. That looks bad and looks worse on Haris because he has zero performance.

PCB contracted players should have their media interactions as per PCB protocols (I am sure those exist). Not any maajha gaama show where current cricketers lambast their mates.
 
Snowflake said:
It was just a lazy comment - blown out of proportion
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The comment was valid. That platform was not correct. Generally players keep such feedback private for their fellow professional cricketers.
 
Obaidd said:
The comment was valid. That platform was not correct. Generally players keep such feedback private for their fellow professional cricketers.
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I agree. I just think it was something said very casually without any malice. But he’s, not a smart comment for sure
 
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I got raw data from cricinfo and calculated like this:

Column 1 is score and 6 is SR

Average = sum of column1/9 = 254/9 = 28.22 - used 9 innings as 1 is not out
SR = sum of column6/10= 1174.44/10=117.44 - used 10 innings

That is how I got to my figures.

However, if you divide the Total score by Total balls faced in 10 innings (Column 3), you indeed get 161.78.

There is a mathematical querkyness in that averaging the SR gives wildly different results!!

In anycase, that averaging of the SR and removal of one anomalous innings is more truer reflection of his lack of ability that is on display at the moment.
 
Lol, and he was telling Babar how to bat.

Ends up playing a test match today
 
mominsaigol said:
I will repeat myself again and again.

Haris at no 3, avg 28 and sr 161. End of story.

People who are asking me to remove his 100 are the one's being disingenuous lol. Why should I remove an innings just to suit your agenda 🤣🤣🤣?

The truth of the matter is that with the exception of @Wasim Ghulam who i have utmost respect for as a poster and tbh his comments are the only ones that I have read on this matter and taken seriously

Everyone else besides him has argued against haris not due to stats, but due to politics so you can spare me this mumbo jumbo wannabe analyst drama.

Idc about Politics. I want Haris to bat at 3 as I believe thats his best no and despite only 3 solid performances.

2 of those came in wc 2022 leading to our entry into the semi final despite 2 horrific botches vs India and Zimbabwe.

The other was one of the best 100's in have ever seen in a t20 international. The team doesnt matter. Understand how difficult it is to score a 100 with only 4 dot balls played regardless of pitch and conditons.
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Thank you for Acknowledging that i do not criticize Haris to defend other Failed Players

So far whatever batting i have seen of haris , He is set up to fail 6/7 times out of 10 even at number 3.. on slow wickets against quality spinners he is a walking wicket at any number. So he needs favorable conditions and Favorable number to perform
 
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The guy is an an absolute joke, he called himself mr google at one time didn’t he?

Guy needs to put the search engine to good use and find some batting nets near his house
 
Latest delusion of 0 IQ clowns:

Play Haris at 3 because he does well there. 🤡

All of this is based on one innings when he has failed in 9 other innings, and they cannot even explain what he has in his game that will make him a success at 3 in the long-term and why he cannot succeed at any other position.

This is guy is a disaster at this level no matter where he bats. He has a big mouth on him but he has no talent, no skill and no mentality.
 
It really doesn’t matter what format or position you play Haris in, he’s just a slogger without the technique needed to survive in any version of this game. If you can't see that, then you probably don’t understand the game properly. Haris needs to accept that he’s not a good batsman right now and realize he has a lot to work on. Any player can improve, but only if they’re honest with themselves, accept their flaws, and are willing to put in the effort to fix their game.
 
We always tell our players, especially the younger ones, if you don’t have much experience, don’t argue. There’s no shame in not knowing. The best thing you can do is ask questions and try to learn, instead of arguing or trying to do things your own way without understanding the game properly.

Experience matters a lot in cricket. Learning from your seniors and coaches is just how this game works. If you don’t have the attitude to accept your mistakes, keep your head down, and actually work on your game, you won’t improve, no matter how talented you are.

Cricket is a cruel game. You can be doing everything right, training hard, staying fit, practicing well and still go through a rough patch. So when young or less experienced players start talking nonsense or disrespecting senior players, it just shows a lack of maturity. There’s a lot to learn in this game, and the right attitude is just as important as skill.
 
Caved12 said:
We always tell our players, especially the younger ones, if you don’t have much experience, don’t argue. There’s no shame in not knowing. The best thing you can do is ask questions and try to learn, instead of arguing or trying to do things your own way without understanding the game properly.

Experience matters a lot in cricket. Learning from your seniors and coaches is just how this game works. If you don’t have the attitude to accept your mistakes, keep your head down, and actually work on your game, you won’t improve, no matter how talented you are.

Cricket is a cruel game. You can be doing everything right, training hard, staying fit, practicing well and still go through a rough patch. So when young or less experienced players start talking nonsense or disrespecting senior players, it just shows a lack of maturity. There’s a lot to learn in this game, and the right attitude is just as important as skill.
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Haris has the opportunity to share dressing room with Babar at Zalmi. He can learn so much from him and become a better batsman and have a long career for Pakistan across formats.

However, he is delusional about his capabilities and think he is better than Babar even though Babar has more talent than him in one finger.

His arrogance will be the end of his career. Babar will return and
 
If Haris is not played at his favorite position he should not be expected to score a run @Farabi isn't it?
And we should be more patient with him.
 
Ahmed216 said:
If Haris is not played at his favorite position he should not be expected to score a run @Farabi isn't it?
And we should be more patient with him.
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The criticism is fair—he needs to score runs regardless of position. But let’s not pretend it’s easy for a top-3 batter to suddenly walk in at 7/8. Also, the same folks hyping Rizwan should revisit his first 15 games batting lower down. I rate Rizwan highly as a keeper-batter in Tests, but fair analysis means applying the same lens to everyone.
 
There should be no question of the validity of these comments.

If you resort to attacking the actual player, it means you’ve lost the actual argument.

If Haris had said “babar should bat more aggressively like me”, then there may be some merit. All he said was he should bat more aggressively. Absolutely correct.
 
But but but but Rizwan should be forced to retire because his replacement, Haris, is not half as good as he is either as a batsman or as a keeper.

0 IQ clown logic 🤡🤣
 
Farabi said:
The criticism is fair—he needs to score runs regardless of position. But let’s not pretend it’s easy for a top-3 batter to suddenly walk in at 7/8. Also, the same folks hyping Rizwan should revisit his first 15 games batting lower down. I rate Rizwan highly as a keeper-batter in Tests, but fair analysis means applying the same lens to everyone.
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Rizwan is out of team and you are Supposedly bringing in someone who can do better Job. So why should we compare him with the one that got the axe? it does nt make sense

Batter is not suddenly walking at Number 6 , He has played 11 games in row at same spot , Law of probability suggests that this would work at least one or two times out of those 11 times on account of him being classified as wicketkeeper batter. Just on that role alone you would expect a “ Batter “ to do better job than what haris is done at 6
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Rizwan is out of team and you are Supposedly bringing in someone who can do better Job. So why should we compare him with the one that got the axe? it does nt make sense

Batter is not suddenly walking at Number 6 , He has played 11 games in row at same spot , Law of probability suggests that this would work at least one or two times out of those 11 times on account of him being classified as wicketkeeper batter. Just on that role alone you would expect a “ Batter “ to do better job than what haris is done at 6
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that’s not true. He’s scored some runs top of the order including that swift century.
The failures have come down the order for the last 5/6 games.
Definitely not a defense. But I believe in Haris’ talent, particularly as someone who can give 30 run off 10 balls in the PP. That’s what I believe he should be used for.
 
Harris is soo garbage, even a non performing rizwan would add more value than him
 
TheSultan said:
Why are you so upset Pakistan won today?
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Who said i am upset?

Plz look at the thread title. This is a harris thread....

Some fans want to hide behind the win and not talk about the garbage harris is.
 
Mamoon said:
Haris has the opportunity to share dressing room with Babar at Zalmi. He can learn so much from him and become a better batsman and have a long career for Pakistan across formats.

However, he is delusional about his capabilities and think he is better than Babar even though Babar has more talent than him in one finger.

His arrogance will be the end of his career. Babar will return and
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To be fair, you’ve been critical of a lot of our players over the years, and while I didn’t always agree with how harsh it sounded at the time, I have to admit that a lot of what you said has turned out to be true. It’s not like these players didn’t have talent, many of them could’ve become solid contributors for Pakistan, if not stars. The frustrating part is that they just never seemed to learn or grow.

I used to think they needed time and backing, but now it’s becoming clear that the real issue is attitude. One or two good innings and suddenly they act like they’ve made it. No interest in learning from seniors or improving their game. It's crazy how the same mistakes keep happening again and again.

Cricket is a game that constantly brings you back down to earth, yet somehow our players manage to ignore that reality. It’s just sad as a fan, so much wasted potential because of poor mindset and lack of discipline.
 
Farabi said:
that’s not true. He’s scored some runs top of the order including that swift century.
The failures have come down the order for the last 5/6 games.
Definitely not a defense. But I believe in Haris’ talent, particularly as someone who can give 30 run off 10 balls in the PP. That’s what I believe he should be used for.
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Criticism for Babar and Rizwan was that they held opening Spot just because they cant bat down the order. so why a different standard should apply to harris? are we gonna get same reply that he scored a hundred at number 3 on pitch that was a road ? Did nt he fail in 4 innings at 3 in NZ and then 3 Innings at 3 in Bangladesh?

He has that one flash in Pan hundred and we call that ability

you conveniently ignored the horrible stats at 6 thats unbecoming of any player that is classified as batter Regardless of position.
 
The biggest problem with Pakistan cricket is still the poor and often corrupt management of the PCB. Players must take responsibility for their own game and development, but when the overall leadership is weak, it creates the conditions for these issues to keep happening. The lack of professionalism and discipline from the top allows toxic behavior to grow within the team environment.

In such an environment, we keep seeing the same pattern, players like Imad, Amir, Ahmed Shehzad, and Haris go on TV and talk badly about their teammates, even while they're still active players or part of the team setup. This kind of behavior is extremely damaging. When players are openly criticizing each other in public, instead of supporting and helping one another grow, it’s no surprise that team unity and performance suffer.

It's unbelievable how these things keep happening again and again, across different eras. This kind of culture, where young or current players publicly attack their teammates or give advice on TV as if they’re outsiders, seems to exist only in Pakistan. In most other countries, there’s an unspoken code: you don’t speak against your own team in public. You keep things within the dressing room.

This broken culture is a major reason why the team struggles to grow together and improve. If players aren't united and focused, they can never succeed as a team.
 
Major said:
Who said i am upset?

Plz look at the thread title. This is a harris thread....

Some fans want to hide behind the win and not talk about the garbage harris is.
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Sorry mate, Haris was part of the team that just won. And unfortunately, there’s no space for Rizwan. Sorry mate, hard luck. Next time
 
Caved12 said:
The biggest problem with Pakistan cricket is still the poor and often corrupt management of the PCB. Players must take responsibility for their own game and development, but when the overall leadership is weak, it creates the conditions for these issues to keep happening. The lack of professionalism and discipline from the top allows toxic behavior to grow within the team environment.

In such an environment, we keep seeing the same pattern, players like Imad, Amir, Ahmed Shehzad, and Haris go on TV and talk badly about their teammates, even while they're still active players or part of the team setup. This kind of behavior is extremely damaging. When players are openly criticizing each other in public, instead of supporting and helping one another grow, it’s no surprise that team unity and performance suffer.

It's unbelievable how these things keep happening again and again, across different eras. This kind of culture, where young or current players publicly attack their teammates or give advice on TV as if they’re outsiders, seems to exist only in Pakistan. In most other countries, there’s an unspoken code: you don’t speak against your own team in public. You keep things within the dressing room.

This broken culture is a major reason why the team struggles to grow together and improve. If players aren't united and focused, they can never succeed as a team.
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I’m really sorry your feelings are hurt, but you’re really pouring your heart out after Pakistan just won a game. Hmmmm.

I think all your post highlights is that you don’t really care about Pakistan cricket, you just care if your favourites get a free ride, otherwise your little feelings are very hurt.
 
TheSultan said:
I’m really sorry your feelings are hurt, but you’re really pouring your heart out after Pakistan just won a game. Hmmmm.

I think all your post highlights is that you don’t really care about Pakistan cricket, you just care if your favourites get a free ride, otherwise your little feelings are very hurt.
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They wanted Pakistan to get humilated.

They thought USA would happen again.
 
TheSultan said:
100%. Im quite enjoying these mental gymnastics!
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I wonder what Misbah did to have a Taylor swift fan following on this forumn. Every thing that is connected to him is worshipped by this lot be it babar, Rizwan, Chacha etc etc.

When did Pakistan stop being Pakistan?
 
Caved12 said:
The biggest problem with Pakistan cricket is still the poor and often corrupt management of the PCB. Players must take responsibility for their own game and development, but when the overall leadership is weak, it creates the conditions for these issues to keep happening. The lack of professionalism and discipline from the top allows toxic behavior to grow within the team environment.

In such an environment, we keep seeing the same pattern, players like Imad, Amir, Ahmed Shehzad, and Haris go on TV and talk badly about their teammates, even while they're still active players or part of the team setup. This kind of behavior is extremely damaging. When players are openly criticizing each other in public, instead of supporting and helping one another grow, it’s no surprise that team unity and performance suffer.

It's unbelievable how these things keep happening again and again, across different eras. This kind of culture, where young or current players publicly attack their teammates or give advice on TV as if they’re outsiders, seems to exist only in Pakistan. In most other countries, there’s an unspoken code: you don’t speak against your own team in public. You keep things within the dressing room.

This broken culture is a major reason why the team struggles to grow together and improve. If players aren't united and focused, they can never succeed as a team.
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What’s this waffle? Removing Babar and Rizwan from the T20 team isn’t ‘poor, corrupt management’. Why are you so upset at Pakistan winning?
 
TheSultan said:
Sorry mate, Haris was part of the team that just won. And unfortunately, there’s no space for Rizwan. Sorry mate, hard luck. Next time
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U dont have to apologies to me.

Doesnt matter what Haris is part of, thing is he cant score runs and inshallah will be out of the team.

Basically harris is a freeloader for now, and is hiding behind others to save his spot under the wins
 
Major said:
U dont have to apologies to me.

Doesnt matter what Haris is part of, thing is he cant score runs and inshallah will be out of the team.

Basically harris is a freeloader for now, and is hiding behind others to save his spot under the wins
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Well for now he’s in the team, and the team is winning. I always say - never change a winning combination!

You’re entitled to whine, but no one cares!
 
Farabi said:
that’s not true. He’s scored some runs top of the order including that swift century.
The failures have come down the order for the last 5/6 games.
Definitely not a defense. But I believe in Haris’ talent, particularly as someone who can give 30 run off 10 balls in the PP. That’s what I believe he should be used for.
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Haris can give you a 15-ball 30 every 15th or 20th innings. If you are happy with that sort of consistency or mediocrity then I rest my case.

The issue is, Haris has been woefully pathetic with the bat in his last 12 or so outings; just swings blindly across the line, a telltale sign that he’s not picking which way the ball is turning. If Haris starts showing some consistency with the bat, then people would back him.

And just because the team won, people should not highlight weaknesses or should sweep nonperformance under the carpet. What kind of logic is this?
 
Just thought I’d mention - what a fantastic stumping of Ibrahim Zadran yesterday. Pretty much clinched the match. Game was set for Zadran’s style. He could have calmly batted through - and if he did that Afghanistan may have won!
 
TheSultan said:
Just thought I’d mention - what a fantastic stumping of Ibrahim Zadran yesterday. Pretty much clinched the match. Game was set for Zadran’s style. He could have calmly batted through - and if he did that Afghanistan may have won!
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Yes Credit Goes to Nawaz for deceiving him and no credit goes to harris for doing bare minimum as keeper. Its like saying a garbage player deserves a spot in team because he stopped boundary on last ball with opposition needing 4 Runs
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Yes Credit Goes to Nawaz for deceiving him and no credit goes to harris for doing bare minimum as keeper. Its like saying a garbage player deserves a spot in team because he stopped boundary on last ball with opposition needing 4 Runs
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That made me chuckle ngl - let’s not be so harsh, he did fantastically well behind the stumps in a crucial game.
 
TheSultan said:
There should be no question of the validity of these comments.

If you resort to attacking the actual player, it means you’ve lost the actual argument.

If Haris had said “babar should bat more aggressively like me”, then there may be some merit. All he said was he should bat more aggressively. Absolutely correct.
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We will not just shoot the messenger; we will absolutely nuke him if he criticizes a vastly superior player when he is not half as good as himself.
 
TheSultan said:
Well for now he’s in the team, and the team is winning. I always say - never change a winning combination!

You’re entitled to whine, but no one cares!
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And because of that reasoning teams like pakistan dont win anything.

You win because players perform. You dont win cause if some luck or superstition of winning combo.

Harris is not performing and inshallah will be out of the team soon like he was before.

I could care less whether you care or not.
 
TheSultan said:
Just thought I’d mention - what a fantastic stumping of Ibrahim Zadran yesterday. Pretty much clinched the match. Game was set for Zadran’s style. He could have calmly batted through - and if he did that Afghanistan may have won!
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Lol, you know a player is garbage when a simple stumping is praised as if some miracle was performed..

It was a regulation stumping and it was nawaz who bowled that stunner...

Desperation reeking from harris fanboys
 
Major said:
And because of that reasoning teams like pakistan dont win anything.

You win because players perform. You dont win cause if some luck or superstition of winning combo.

Harris is not performing and inshallah will be out of the team soon like he was before.

I could care less whether you care or not.
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Well errmm, sorry to inform you, we did win!

It’s not superstition, it’s about team combo - it’s working and no need to change.

I’ll throw a carrot here. If Rizwan will commit to batting at no7, I’ll let him carry drinks. And if he does a good job, eg gets the drinks to the right players on time, I’d consider him in the next series.
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Yes Credit Goes to Nawaz for deceiving him and no credit goes to harris for doing bare minimum as keeper. Its like saying a garbage player deserves a spot in team because he stopped boundary on last ball with opposition needing 4 Runs
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Yes motm should had gone to harris lol cause had it not been him doing a regualtion stumping, he would had set the motions for afghanistan winning the world cup in future.

Harris stumping stopped it from happening.
 
Mamoon said:
We will not just shoot the messenger; we will absolutely nuke him if he criticizes a vastly superior player when he is not half as good as himself.
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Nuke away young man. I like the spirit, we need to work on your aim
 
The reality is that Pakistan’s batting approach has not changed an inch. These players are batting exactly like how Babar and Rizwan used to bat.

This whole new template baloney has proved to be a load of tripe. Hiding behind Afghanistan choking will not change the reality. Their batting failure does not mask Pakistan’s batting failure.

Pakistan with Babar and Rizwan putting up the same score on the same pitch would have been labeled as outdated approach, but now it was batting according to the conditions 🤡🤡
 
TheSultan said:
That made me chuckle ngl - let’s not be so harsh, he did fantastically well behind the stumps in a crucial game.
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Im not being Harsh. He did bare minimum behind the stumps . One easy stumping honestly. Zadran was out of crease for like a Second. Any keeper with weak reflexes would take that chance easily.

Not sure what your point is. Most of criticism against Haris is directed because he has been garbage as batter not as keeper
 
TheSultan said:
Nuke away young man. I like the spirit, we need to work on your aim
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I am an old man now, and that is why my patience with trolls is running thin. My youth is well and truly behind me now.
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan with Babar and Rizwan putting up the same score on the same pitch
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let me Assure you , Babar would never take on Rashid and hit him for 2 Sixes in an over. and Salman Agha did that twice in this series. On both occasions it shifted the innings momentum in favor of Pak
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
let me Assure you , Babar would never take on Rashid and hit him for 2 Sixes in an over. and Salman Agha did that twice in this series. On both occasions it shifted the innings momentum in favor of Pak
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Let me assure you that “waqti Abu” Agha will not have half the career that Babar has had even if Babar never plays a game of cricket again. Agha is not worthy of lacing his boots today and will never be worthy of doing that.
 
Mamoon said:
Let me assure you that “waqti Abu” Agha will not have half the career that Babar has had even if Babar never plays a game of cricket again. Agha is not worthy of lacing his boots today and will never be worthy of doing that.
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We do not need Agha to replicate numbers of Babar. Thats a metric you are applying on him.

Babar had 6 tournaments since 2022 He failed as batter and as captain in each and every one of these last 6

Agha will get his chances too .
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
We do not need Agha to replicate numbers of Babar. Thats a metric you are applying on him.

Babar had 6 tournaments since 2022 He failed as batter and as captain in each and every one of these last 6

Agha will get his chances too .
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Agha has done absolutely nothing in his career to deserve a leadership role. He is just a lucky beneficiary of the agenda against Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen.

There is 0 justification why he should be T20I captain over a 3x PSL winner like Shaheen. Shaheen can retire today and Agha will still never be able to match his captaincy exploits.

Agha doesn’t deserve to be where he is and it will all end very badly for him InshAllah because he deserves the humiliation that is written for him.
 
Mamoon said:
There is 0 justification why he should be T20I captain over a 3x PSL winner like Shaheen. Shaheen can retire today and Agha will still never be able to match his captaincy exploits.
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PSL is no measure of quality

Shaheen May well be a better captain but he was rightly axed for Engaging in nasty team politics and your Fav Babar was the one who Snatched captaincy from him not Salman
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
PSL is no measure of quality

Shaheen May well be a better captain but he was rightly axed for Engaging in nasty team politics and your Fav Babar was the one who Snatched captaincy from him not Salman
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And what is a measure of quality?

If you are not going make decisions for your T20 international team based on PSL, then you are clearly disrespecting the credibility of your premier league.

Shaheen has won the PSL 3 times as captain. Clearly, he is doing something right and there is something about his leadership that produces results.

I am not saying that winning PSL 3x will translate into winning a T20 World Cup with Pakistan, but at the very least, Shaheen should have been given a fair chance to showcase if he can replicate the success for Pakistan.

When Babar stepped down and Rizwan was dropped from the T20I squad, Shaheen should have been the next in line as far as captaincy goes.

Agha getting ahead of him in the pecking order was completely unjustified and not based on merit.

Yes, if Shaheen had failed as captain, then by all means you could have gone to Agha as the next option. However, Agha getting a proper crack at T20I captaincy before Shaheen is unfair and no amount of excuses, justifications and assumptions will change that.
 
Mamoon said:
When Babar stepped down and Rizwan was dropped from the T20I squad, Shaheen should have been the next in line as far as captaincy goes.

Agha getting ahead of him in the pecking order was completely unjustified and not based on merit.
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Lets not forget Shaheen lost captaincy due to nasty team politics and Babar was at centre of it. He should not have accepted it back after Resigning from it after CWC 2023. were not Shaheen and Babar best buddies? whats with back stabbing? Babar was rightly humiliated in T20 Wc 2024 for doing just that. Blaming Agha for these things is unjustified.

Lets also not forget that Shaheen deliberately under performed in CWC 2023 to back stab Babar

Both of these so called Super stars engaged in Nasty politics. And they were deservedly axed
 
Wasim Ghulam said:
Lets not forget Shaheen lost captaincy due to nasty team politics and Babar was at centre of it. He should not have accepted it back after Resigning from it after CWC 2023. were not Shaheen and Babar best buddies? whats with back stabbing? Babar was rightly humiliated in T20 Wc 2024 for doing just that. Blaming Agha for these things is unjustified.

Lets also not forget that Shaheen deliberately under performed in CWC 2023 to back stab Babar

Both of these so called Super stars engaged in Nasty politics. And they were deservedly axed
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Babar backstabbing Shaheen was a monumental blow to Pak cricket. Team unity which had existed previously was shattered as a result.
 
AZulfi said:
Haris can give you a 15-ball 30 every 15th or 20th innings. If you are happy with that sort of consistency or mediocrity then I rest my case.

The issue is, Haris has been woefully pathetic with the bat in his last 12 or so outings; just swings blindly across the line, a telltale sign that he’s not picking which way the ball is turning. If Haris starts showing some consistency with the bat, then people would back him.

And just because the team won, people should not highlight weaknesses or should sweep nonperformance under the carpet. What kind of logic is this?
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When did I saw that you shouldn’t highlight weakness and criticize Haris.
Also for the record, no one was picking which way the ball was turning.
 
M Haris era has is truly on.

In the tri-series he’s wasn’t good enough to bat at 6 so management sent Nawaz at 6 and moved him to 7.

He failed miserably at 7.

A sound strategy would have been to keep him at 7 and offload him after Asia cup as required.

But Agha-Hesson duo went for moving him to 3 and moving everybody else out of position.

The free ride in national team, the emerging team captaincy, the champions cup captaincy, u19 selection, it’s not adding up. Any decent observer of cricket can tell he’s not good enough. The chances keep coming for him though.
 
Need to back fearless Haris. He will be one of our top T20 players and will justify the faith, investment.

He needs to consistently play 4 day cricket to develop his defense, strike rotation and game awareness ie when to defend, attack, respect certain bowlers and game situations.
 
Savak said:
Need to back fearless Haris. He will be one of our top T20 players and will justify the faith, investment.

He needs to consistently play 4 day cricket to develop his defense, strike rotation and game awareness ie when to defend, attack, respect certain bowlers and game situations.
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He had this potential in 2022 itself. Why he hasn't developed much in the last 3 years should be the question Pakistan cricket system should ask...
 
He looks pretty ordinary, not convinced he is good enough to make it into any top team. I don't see much coming out of him in future. His comments on babar borders on arrogance.. He should first figure his game out before commenting on someone like Babar
 
Haris’s public criticism of his own teammates goes on to show what a fearless character he is.

You ain’t getting an easy pass with him. Sets high standards, especially for others.
 
Only a few more matches that we have to tolerate him for. Then the cheetah Rizwan will be back to reclaim his spot as the keeper :rizwan
 
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