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An open challenge to Indians, if all Muslim empires in sub-continent were barbaric then name even a single saint-like Hindu empire in entire history!

As I said, you guys need to study first before becoming expert on Palestine issue.
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The percentage of Ashkenazi Jews in Israel varies slightly depending on the source. In 2018, about 31.8% of Israeli Jews self-identified as Ashkenazi, with an additional 12.4% being immigrants from the former USSR, many of whom also identify as Ashkenazi1. Other estimates suggest that Ashkenazi Jews make up around 32% of the Israeli Jewish population3. A Pew Research report from 2016 indicated that about 45% of Israeli Jews identify as Ashkenazi

Israel is their own country. Who the hell is anyone to tell Israel which people they want to invite and settle in their country?

I have said this before, if tomorrow Pakistan invites a million Palestinians to settle in their country, who is India or Srilanka or any other country to tell who Pakistan should give asylum or give citizenships in their country? :rolleyes:
 
O here is your saint ruler acts
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Sambhaji Maharaj's army committed several atrocities during their campaigns:

  • Sacking of Burhanpur (1681): The Maratha army plundered, looted, raped, and tortured the inhabitants of Burhanpur. This event was marked by extreme violence, unlike the practices of his father Shivaji

  • Invasion of Portuguese Territories: Maratha forces under Sambhaji invaded the Portuguese territories of Bardez and Salcette, where they looted, destroyed churches, and raped Christian women. Many captured people were sold to Arabs and Dutch

  • General Atrocities: Maratha soldiers were known for committing massacres and mass rapes during their campaigns, which overshadowed Sambhaji's military and administrative achievements
Looks like Sambaji would fit in well with all the Turkic invaders.:hasan2
 
Talk to me directly by tagging me and I will most certainly give you blunt answers that you will never have the gall to respond to other than throwing tiny pebbles in the form of lame smilies hiding behind your fellow Jihadis on a anonymous online forum.

I have already answered your questions in multiple ways with the most recent one being an hour or so ago in the Hindutva thread ... but I will tell you this: You will NEVER EVER Respond to my pointed questions in that thread. Go ahead prove me wrong.
It seems you may have misunderstood, most are not trying to debate you but rather mock you. When you support a politician who suggests slaughtering 200 million people simply for possibly eating a steak sandwich, you leave no option but to ridicule you.

There's no need to feel important, your significance is limited to India, and that's only because you're advocating for mass human slaughter.
 
Whether they are Ashkenazi Jews or Martian Jews. Israel can invite anyone in their country to settle in that land. Its their country and their rules. Israel does not have to give explanation to anyone.
No! sure they can as long as they are not building illegal settlement in occupied territories and displacing Palestinian, the original inhabitant of the land.

I thought Indians were against ethnic cleansing.
 
Israel is their own country. Who the hell is anyone to tell Israel which people they want to invite and settle in their country?

I have said this before, if tomorrow Pakistan invites a million Palestinians to settle in their country, who is India or Srilanka or any other country to tell who Pakistan should give asylum or give citizenships in their country? :rolleyes:

That's got to be the most brain dead analogy, desperately dressed up to seem intelligent. But honestly, what else could you expect from someone who justifies genocide and ethnic cleansing?
 
So, what we have learned today.

No period of peace under Hindu rulers, and the biggest mouthpiece of this cult is an immigrant himself, in India.

You really couldn't make this up, you just couldn't.
 
That's got to be the most brain dead analogy, desperately dressed up to seem intelligent. But honestly, what else could you expect from someone who justifies genocide and ethnic cleansing?
Yeah. Let’s control what some country does with it’s immigration policy.
Very smart idea. Which other country’s immigration do you want to cry about? :vk2
 
So, what we have learned today.

No period of peace under Hindu rulers, and the biggest mouthpiece of this cult is an immigrant himself, in India.

You really couldn't make this up, you just couldn't.
Tyoical.

Wars always happened. But it’s the. Common people that should not be slaughtered and endlaved. It’s not part of the art of wars fought in India.

But the wars that these invaders fought involved the massacres of common people in the streets and enslaving if women and children. A simple thing that many are failing to understand. Take off your green glasses and look at what Mohammaden invaders did. There were no rules for them. 🙄
 
It seems you may have misunderstood, most are not trying to debate you but rather mock you. When you support a politician who suggests slaughtering 200 million people simply for possibly eating a steak sandwich, you leave no option but to ridicule you.

There's no need to feel important, your significance is limited to India, and that's only because you're advocating for mass human slaughter.

Nope YOU are the ONE being mocked, exposed and ridiculed for doggedly batting to preserve YOUR community's "right" to DELIBERATELY trample on religious beliefs of Hindus by harming cows and pretend that you see no issues at all in such acts and also expect no adverse consequences from such despicable acts. This is further confirmed when you blatantly refuse to answer my simple question in that thread that I have asked across dozens of posts in multiple ways.

If you are soo bloody certain about your stance being righteous you would have answered that by now. So hence your gymnastics to save face. Nothing new.

 
What do think your fellow countryman and co-religionist was going to bring. He has chatgpt Ai working overtime. His agenda peddling is getting tiresome.

Speak with hindus and christians who live here, not some Bala from surat.

Am really wanting for a minority pm Or president

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Speak with hindus and christians who live here, not some Bala from surat.
You want "vikram", presumably indian hindu, travel to islamic republick of pakistan for chatting up with coreligionists on living conditions. Under watchful eye of authorities. And fear of extremists.

Surely you are kidding. There are sufficient resources to avail remotely. Without getting killed. Or forcibly converted.

 
You want "vikram", presumably indian hindu, travel to islamic republick of pakistan for chatting up with coreligionists on living conditions. Under watchful eye of authorities. And fear of extremists.

Surely you are kidding. There are sufficient resources to avail remotely. Without getting killed. Or forcibly converted.

🤦‍♂️

You do you..
 

Am really wanting for a minority pm Or president

Iam posting the attachments showing blatant discrimination towards minorities as reported by pak national human rights council.Only minorities especially Christians literates are preferred for sanitary .There is a stat with breakdown of advts mocking minorities in each state.
So do Pakistanis.. anything but the current thugs. It will never happen
 
You want "vikram", presumably indian hindu, travel to islamic republick of pakistan for chatting up with coreligionists on living conditions. Under watchful eye of authorities. And fear of extremists.

Surely you are kidding. There are sufficient resources to avail remotely. Without getting killed. Or forcibly converted.

Why ‘vikram’, why not you… come and have a taste, you might like it…😂
 
Yeah. Let’s control what some country does with it’s immigration policy.
Very smart idea. Which other country’s immigration do you want to cry about? :vk2
Oh, come on. Are you completely clueless?

Do you even know what you're talking about?

Why are you blatantly twisting the truth and pretending the other facts don’t exist?

And seriously, why are Hindutva from the Global South rallying behind an alleged genocidal maniac?
 
That is the biggest lie by a Hindutva who can’t defend genocide angaibat Muslims in other part of the world and Hindutva bigotry in India anymore.


Says you who can't even answer some extremely simple questions .... such as why Muslims are still found harming cows IN INDIA ( Spare me your balderdash about what happens outside India it has nothing to do with what happens IN INDIA )
 
It is too easy to get brainwashed when your chief source of history are the propoganda based national text books. And it seems to be true for some so called scholars here who are too quick to brand any Muslim empires in Indian subcontinent as barbaric and uncivilized while at the same time doesn't even know the name of their Hindu ruled empires and their emperors who have scaled the same crimes against their own brethrens long ago and even during contemporary Muslim rule.

So this overreaction just expose the hypocrisy of Indians or they are too naive to believe in their concocted history text books?

Can you share example of 1 Hindu ruler which was involved in forced conversions of Muslims?

Or any ruler who was involved in destruction key holy sites of Muslims in middle world?
 
Oh, come on. Are you completely clueless?

Do you even know what you're talking about?

Why are you blatantly twisting the truth and pretending the other facts don’t exist?


And seriously, why are Hindutva from the Global South rallying behind an alleged genocidal maniac?

That's what they do generally. When you give them facts, they twist it.

You can't really reason or debate with someone like that. :inti
 
So has any non muslim posters here claimed the rule under Hindu kings were the most peaceful period in the Santani land of those times ?
Well if all "invaders" were subhuman then certainly they would have some "humans" in their list. Don't you agree?
 
You guys don't get it. Soldiers always die in wars. Women become widows. Kids become fatherless.

What separates Indian kings or Emperors from the Turkic invaders is the rules that are followed during war. Armies always meet in battle ground. Fighting only between Dawn and Dusk. Cannot kill anyone when their backs are turned. Winner gets to take over the losers kingdom. The loser king will be banished from the lands or will become subordinate to the victor. For ordinary people, it is business as usual. Their lives will not be altered. Perhaps the coins they use will change. Women and children are not harmed.

Lets see what Turkic invaders did. No rules of attack. Everything is fair game. Loser king will be killed(Beheaded). His queens are taken as concubines. Common people who have nothing to do with the war are taken as slaves. The goodlooking ones will be auctioned off in the markets as sex slaves. If they are lucky, they will end up in the harem of a rich and powerful man. Religious places desecrated. Religious literature burned down. In the some cases, full Islamic law applied on the Polytheists of India.

You decide.
 
You guys don't get it. Soldiers always die in wars. Women become widows. Kids become fatherless.

What separates Indian kings or Emperors from the Turkic invaders is the rules that are followed during war. Armies always meet in battle ground. Fighting only between Dawn and Dusk. Cannot kill anyone when their backs are turned. Winner gets to take over the losers kingdom. The loser king will be banished from the lands or will become subordinate to the victor. For ordinary people, it is business as usual. Their lives will not be altered. Perhaps the coins they use will change. Women and children are not harmed.

Lets see what Turkic invaders did. No rules of attack. Everything is fair game. Loser king will be killed(Beheaded). His queens are taken as concubines. Common people who have nothing to do with the war are taken as slaves. The goodlooking ones will be auctioned off in the markets as sex slaves. If they are lucky, they will end up in the harem of a rich and powerful man. Religious places desecrated. Religious literature burned down. In the some cases, full Islamic law applied on the Polytheists of India.

You decide.
Valid points but do you know what you have preached above is an inferior version of how Islam enjoins its followers to deal with non-combatants, children, women etc
 
Valid points but do you know what you have preached above is an inferior version of how Islam enjoins its followers to deal with non-combatants, children, women etc
Do you know the war science in ancient India? How did you conclude it is inferior than it is precscibed in Islam? Or is it the same case where non-muslim is inferior to Muslims ans same apply to warfare because of Islam?

Please provide a point by point comparrision between Indian prescribed war system and how it is inferior to Islamic systems?
 
You guys don't get it. Soldiers always die in wars. Women become widows. Kids become fatherless.

What separates Indian kings or Emperors from the Turkic invaders is the rules that are followed during war. Armies always meet in battle ground. Fighting only between Dawn and Dusk. Cannot kill anyone when their backs are turned. Winner gets to take over the losers kingdom. The loser king will be banished from the lands or will become subordinate to the victor. For ordinary people, it is business as usual. Their lives will not be altered. Perhaps the coins they use will change. Women and children are not harmed.

Lets see what Turkic invaders did. No rules of attack. Everything is fair game. Loser king will be killed(Beheaded). His queens are taken as concubines. Common people who have nothing to do with the war are taken as slaves. The goodlooking ones will be auctioned off in the markets as sex slaves. If they are lucky, they will end up in the harem of a rich and powerful man. Religious places desecrated. Religious literature burned down. In the some cases, full Islamic law applied on the Polytheists of India.

You decide.
This is what ancient Hindu warfare rules be like. @The Bald Eagle will provide us counter rules which are superior in Islam



War Ethics and rules of engagement in the Mahabharata, Ramayana, Dhanurveda, and Vedas:

  • The place and time of war must be specified beforehand to be in accordance with dharma.
  • War is to begin at sunrise and end at sunset.
  • A single warrior cannot be attacked by multiple warriors.
  • When two warriors engage in a duel, they shouldn’t be intervened.
  • A surrendered warrior should be unharmed.
  • A surrendered warrior becomes a prisoner of war and is subject to the protections allocated to such a warrior.
  • An unarmed warrior cannot be harmed.
  • Anyone (human or animal) not involved in the war should be left unharmed.
  • Unless considered a direct threat, animals in battle cannot be killed.
  • A warrior involved in a battle with a weapon should abide by certain rules. For example, striking the enemy with a mace below the waist was forbidden.
  • Warriors should not be engaged in an unjust war; it had to be a just war.
  • Land should not be harmed in any form.
  • Women, children, the sick, and farmers should not be affected in a battle and war prisoners were considered sacred.
  • A warrior should not be struck from the back.
  • Poisoned weapons and arrowheads were forbidden.
  • Mass destruction weapons that wiped off the entire population were prohibited.
  • An enemy who is lying unconscious, who is crippled, who does not have a weapon or is stricken with fear, and who came for asylum should not be killed.
  • A strong and brave warrior should not chase and kill any fleeing enemy stricken with fear.
When a territory is acquired by conquest, the conqueror king shall:

  • Be twice as good as the previous king.
  • Follow policies that are pleasing and beneficial to the constituents by acting according to his dharma.
  • Adopt the way of life, dress, language, and customs of the people of the acquired territory, show the same devotion to the gods of the territory as to his own gods and participate in the people’s festivals and amusements.
  • Ensure the practice of all customs which are in accordance with dharma.
  • Ensure that worship is held regularly in all the temples and ashrams.
  • Grant land, money, and tax exemptions to the men distinguished for their learning, speech, dharma, or bravery.
  • The ill, the helpless, and the distressed shall be helped.
When the enemy camp is raided, these people should not be attacked:

  • Anyone falling in the fight.
  • Those turning their backs.
  • Anyone surrendering.
  • Anyone who unties his hair as a symbol of surrender or throws his weapons down.
  • Anyone contorted by fear.
  • Anyone who does not fight.
Furthermore, Manu Smriti also has some battle rules:

  • The conqueror has the obligation of treating the defeated ones with humanity.
  • A warrior should not strike with weapons concealed nor with barbed, poisoned, or the points of which are blazing with fire.
  • People walking on the road, travelers, or those who are engaged in eating and drinking or pursuing their activities and Brahmans should not be harmed unless engaged in a war.
  • Combat between the mounted and the unmounted was prohibited.
  • Combat between warriors of officer rank and foot soldiers was not allowed.
  • Collective attacks against a single soldier and the slaying of a warrior who had a temporary disadvantage during the battle were strictly prohibited
 
Do you know the war science in ancient India? How did you conclude it is inferior than it is precscibed in Islam? Or is it the same case where non-muslim is inferior to Muslims ans same apply to warfare because of Islam?

Please provide a point by point comparrision between Indian prescribed war system and how it is inferior to Islamic systems?
Please check below the brief summary, sources link also available: (Also a great number of combatants from enemy forces embraced Islam because of this humane treatment)
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Islamic rules of war, as established by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and early Muslim leaders, emphasize strict ethical conduct even in conflict:


Key Principles
1. Non-aggression
: Fighting is permitted only in self-defense or against active combatants, with proportional response35.
2. Protection of non-combatants: Explicit prohibition against harming women, children, the elderly, sick, monks, farmers, and non-combatants256.
3. Environmental stewardship: Forbids cutting fruit-bearing trees, burning crops, or harming animals except for food125.


Specific Rules

  • No mutilation of bodies or torture138.
  • No destruction of homes, villages, or places of worship256.
  • Humane treatment of prisoners, with obligations to feed captives and the sick236.
  • Prohibition of treachery, looting, and cowardice158.
These rules, codified by Caliph Abu Bakr based on Muhammad’s teachings, predate modern international humanitarian law145. The Prophet emphasized minimizing harm, stating: “Do not cause harm nor return harm”3. Exceptions for strategic destruction (e.g., enemy supplies) were later debated but remained secondary to core humanitarian principles56.
 
Please check below the brief summary, sources link also available: (Also a great number of combatants from enemy forces embraced Islam because of this humane treatment)
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Islamic rules of war, as established by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and early Muslim leaders, emphasize strict ethical conduct even in conflict:


Key Principles
1. Non-aggression
: Fighting is permitted only in self-defense or against active combatants, with proportional response35.
2. Protection of non-combatants: Explicit prohibition against harming women, children, the elderly, sick, monks, farmers, and non-combatants256.
3. Environmental stewardship: Forbids cutting fruit-bearing trees, burning crops, or harming animals except for food125.


Specific Rules

  • No mutilation of bodies or torture138.
  • No destruction of homes, villages, or places of worship256.
  • Humane treatment of prisoners, with obligations to feed captives and the sick236.
  • Prohibition of treachery, looting, and cowardice158.
These rules, codified by Caliph Abu Bakr based on Muhammad’s teachings, predate modern international humanitarian law145. The Prophet emphasized minimizing harm, stating: “Do not cause harm nor return harm”3. Exceptions for strategic destruction (e.g., enemy supplies) were later debated but remained secondary to core humanitarian principles56.
Where is the rebuttal dude? Generic LLM statements won’t do. I provided some rules that Sanatani Warriors follow, rebute them, prove them inferior with your logic
 
Valid points but do you know what you have preached above is an inferior version of how Islam enjoins its followers to deal with non-combatants, children, women etc
I am not blaming the Arabs or Islam in general. Arabs never ruled India for any length of time. They conquered Sindh and left by mid 8th century. Their concentration was more in North Africa and Spain. Mainland India did not see Islam until late 11th century. There was more than 200 year gap between Arab conquest of Sindh and the Ghaznavi invasion of India. Peace and order was restored in that 200 year period.
Most of Islamic history is Turkic history. From Mid 12th century all the way to 19th century. Arab dominance was only between 690-1100's. The final 100 years of Abbasid Empire was mere nominal. Mongols destroyed them and executed their final Caliph brutally. Turkic people were brutal. No rules. Its all about expansion, loot, plunder and capture men and women and sell them in slavery. Thousands of Indians and modern day Pakistanis were sold in the streets of Kabul and central asia. They were made to walk through Hindu Kush mountains and majority perished unable to cope with the harsh conditions. The ones who made it through were sold into slavery in exchange for horses and weapons. Indian slaves were just a trading commodity. Their worth is no more than a horse and a sword. Bukhara was one of the famous centers for Indian slaves. This kind of brutality was unseen and unheard of in Indian subcontinent. These Turkic invaders were a nightmare for locals of Indian subcontinent who were used to docile religious philosophies. Their slave trade only ended in 1850's. It was a 600 year long brutality.
 
Please check below the brief summary, sources link also available: (Also a great number of combatants from enemy forces embraced Islam because of this humane treatment)
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Islamic rules of war, as established by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and early Muslim leaders, emphasize strict ethical conduct even in conflict:


Key Principles
1. Non-aggression
: Fighting is permitted only in self-defense or against active combatants, with proportional response35.
2. Protection of non-combatants: Explicit prohibition against harming women, children, the elderly, sick, monks, farmers, and non-combatants256.
3. Environmental stewardship: Forbids cutting fruit-bearing trees, burning crops, or harming animals except for food125.


Specific Rules

  • No mutilation of bodies or torture138.
  • No destruction of homes, villages, or places of worship256.
  • Humane treatment of prisoners, with obligations to feed captives and the sick236.
  • Prohibition of treachery, looting, and cowardice158.
These rules, codified by Caliph Abu Bakr based on Muhammad’s teachings, predate modern international humanitarian law145. The Prophet emphasized minimizing harm, stating: “Do not cause harm nor return harm”3. Exceptions for strategic destruction (e.g., enemy supplies) were later debated but remained secondary to core humanitarian principles56.
You mean to say Early Muslims only fought for self defense? :dw
 
Where is the rebuttal dude? Generic LLM statements won’t do. I provided some rules that Sanatani Warriors follow, rebute them, prove them inferior with your logic

Brother indoor, for details click on the source link in my previous post​

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Islam only allowed defensive wars generally.

Hinduism vs Islam: Rules of Warfare

AspectHinduismIslam
SourcesVedas, Upanishads, Mahābhārata, Purāṇas, ArthaśāstraQuran, Hadith
JustificationEmphasizes dharmayuddha (righteous war) – war is justified only for upholding dharma (duty)War is allowed mainly in self-defense, to protect faith, or against oppression
Conduct in BattleStrict codes: no killing of unarmed, fleeing, wounded, or non-combatants; fair combat stressedProhibits harming non-combatants, women, children, elderly, and destruction of crops
Treatment of WoundedCare for wounded and dead, even from enemy side; above and beyond modern IHLCare for wounded and prisoners is required; humane treatment emphasized
Prohibited ActsNo attacking at night, no use of poison, no striking from behind, no attacking distracted foesNo treachery, mutilation, or betrayal; no killing of those who surrender
Afterlife ConsequencesEmphasizes karmic consequences for unrighteous conduct in warAccountability before God for actions in war
Post-War ConductDetailed rules for property, treaties, and governance

Limited systematic guidelines beyond victory rituals


Legal codification
Islamic military jurisprudence developed detailed rulings on prisoner treatment (e.g., banning execution/enslavement of Muslim prisoners) and war conduct (e.g., prohibiting mutilation)
Hindu Dharmayuddha principles focused on ethical combat but lacked equivalent systematic legal codes for prisoner rights or post-conflict obligations

Weapons restrictions
Islamic jurists explicitly prohibited weapons causing unnecessary suffering (e.g., poisoned spears)5, while Hindu texts emphasized ethical means (satya yuddha) without specific armament limitations3. Both condemned disproportionate violence but Islamic law addressed technological developments more directly.
 

Brother indoor, for details click on the source link in my previous post​

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Islam only allowed defensive wars generally.

Hinduism vs Islam: Rules of Warfare

AspectHinduismIslam
SourcesVedas, Upanishads, Mahābhārata, Purāṇas, ArthaśāstraQuran, Hadith
JustificationEmphasizes dharmayuddha (righteous war) – war is justified only for upholding dharma (duty)War is allowed mainly in self-defense, to protect faith, or against oppression
Conduct in BattleStrict codes: no killing of unarmed, fleeing, wounded, or non-combatants; fair combat stressedProhibits harming non-combatants, women, children, elderly, and destruction of crops
Treatment of WoundedCare for wounded and dead, even from enemy side; above and beyond modern IHLCare for wounded and prisoners is required; humane treatment emphasized
Prohibited ActsNo attacking at night, no use of poison, no striking from behind, no attacking distracted foesNo treachery, mutilation, or betrayal; no killing of those who surrender
Afterlife ConsequencesEmphasizes karmic consequences for unrighteous conduct in warAccountability before God for actions in war
Again what’s superior in Islam? Please enlighten us. I am using my mobile, very difficult to type let alone navigate links.
 
Because of worship of one god, war rules of Islam are superior 🤡


Logic is not strongest forte of Islamists.


BTW Hinduism also have one ultimate lord called Brahman.
Hindus worship several deities while Muslims believe in and worship a single deity, if you disagree make your case and then we will go with why Islam has superior war rules due to worship of a single God.

If you don't disagree about multiple deities in Hinduism say that you don't so we can move forward to the point of discussion.
 
Hindus worship several deities while Muslims believe in and worship a single deity, if you disagree make your case and then we will go with why Islam has superior war rules due to worship of a single God.

If you don't disagree about multiple deities in Hinduism say that you don't so we can move forward to the point of discussion.
We need to understand where Hinduism is wrt to God and a diety.

Based on below observation you can go and state your points.


In Hinduism, the concept of one supreme God (Brahman) is central, but it's also understood that this one God can manifest in various forms and be worshipped through different deities. These deities are not seen as separate, independent gods but as different aspects or manifestations of the same divine reality
 
We need to understand where Hinduism is wrt to God and a diety.

Based on below observation you can go and state your points.


In Hinduism, the concept of one supreme God (Brahman) is central, but it's also understood that this one God can manifest in various forms and be worshipped through different deities. These deities are not seen as separate, independent gods but as different aspects or manifestations of the same divine reality
That might be your perspective of Hinduism and that's fine but there are plenty of Hindus who for example worship Ganesh (as a deity) or Lakshmi or Hanuman so Hinduism has diverse opinions on the matter.

Islam has no difference in opinion and belief in a single God is fundamental and non-negotiable.

But I see that you are coming from a certain perspective of Hinduism and that's fine.
 
None of the war rules were Stuck to neither by the Muslim invaders to india or the Local hindu kings, just look at marathas they definitely didn't stick to the rules of war as posted by the indian poster above.
 
That might be your perspective of Hinduism and that's fine but there are plenty of Hindus who for example worship Ganesh (as a deity) or Lakshmi or Hanuman so Hinduism has diverse opinions on the matter.

Islam has no difference in opinion and belief in a single God is fundamental and non-negotiable.

But I see that you are coming from a certain perspective of Hinduism and that's

It’s not my perspective, it’s codified in our religious scriptures of Vedas and Upanishads.
 
That might be your perspective of Hinduism and that's fine but there are plenty of Hindus who for example worship Ganesh (as a deity) or Lakshmi or Hanuman so Hinduism has diverse opinions on the matter.

Islam has no difference in opinion and belief in a single God is fundamental and non-negotiable.

But I see that you are coming from a certain perspective of Hinduism and that's fine.
Shia sunni wahabi hanafi ahmaddiyyas are fictional teams then 👌
 
It’s not my perspective, it’s codified in our religious scriptures of Vedas and Upanishads.
We have Trimurtis, Ganesha and various others dieties and we worship them all. We also know they are one underlying supreme reality.

In fact Vedas claim, not only all dieties are one supreme reality we human being are the same “oneness”
 
We have Trimurtis, Ganesha and various others dieties and we worship them all. We also know they are one underlying supreme reality.

In fact Vedas claim, not only all dieties are one supreme reality we human being are the same “oneness”
No, not all Hindus uniformly do so but a segment of Hindus believe in what what you are claiming and no argument there.

Even then, Hinduism is not considered Monotheistic because of worship of multiple (innumerable deities) and idolatry even when it is taken to be a manifestation of Lord Brahma, huge difference between worship of NONE but ONE God in Islam.
 
No, not all Hindus uniformly do so but a segment of Hindus believe in what what you are claiming and no argument there.

Even then, Hinduism is not considered Monotheistic because of worship of multiple (innumerable deities) and idolatry even when it is taken to be a manifestation of Lord Brahma, huge difference between worship of NONE but ONE God in Islam.
People believe what they want. I am talking about the authoritative Hindu scriptures. Many Hindus don’t know why they are doing murti Pooja.

There are some sects in Hinduism which might differ in few nitty bitties.
 
People believe what they want. I am talking about the authoritative Hindu scriptures. Many Hindus don’t know why they are doing murti Pooja.

There are some sects in Hinduism which might differ in few nitty bitties.
I am glad that you are an educated Hindu and have the correct belief so no arguments on this particular aspect, although I disagree with Murti Puja but no argument from your perspective and from where you are coming from.
 
People believe what they want. I am talking about the authoritative Hindu scriptures. Many Hindus don’t know why they are doing murti Pooja.

There are some sects in Hinduism which might differ in few nitty bitties.
Good video to understand why there are so many dieties in Hinduism

 
Well if all "invaders" were subhuman then certainly they would have some "humans" in their list. Don't you agree?

Well just cause the invaders were trash doesn't mean the Hindu rulers were perfect, no one from my knowledge here has openly made such a statement..

Feel free to prove me wrong though....
 
I am glad that you are an educated Hindu and have the correct belief so no arguments on this particular aspect, although I disagree with Murti Puja but no argument from your perspective and from where you are coming from.
Paying to an idol does not mean God is in the idol. That is stupid. The idol is only the object of concentration.
Hindus believe God is everywhere and in every being. The he idol is only the representation of God. Not an actual God. Abrahamic faith people does not get this simple thing.
 
Paying to an idol does not mean God is in the idol. That is stupid. The idol is only the object of concentration.
Hindus believe God is everywhere and in every being. The he idol is only the representation of God. Not an actual God. Abrahamic faith people does not get this simple thing.
Simple yes but does not stand up to logic and evidence but you are free to worship as you please.
 
Well just cause the invaders were trash doesn't mean the Hindu rulers were perfect, no one from my knowledge here has openly made such a statement..

Feel free to prove me wrong though....
Hindu rulers were self indulgent too. Far from perfect. But they still followed code of conduct when it came to war.

I know it is stupid to expect foreigners to follow local rules during wartime. A rude awakening for many when Turkic people attacked them.
 
What evidence you want?
Don't need evidence because idol worship is not agreed by all Hindus. For example Hindus like Swami Dayanand Saraswati (1824-1823) rejected idol worship!

He was against idol worship, caste system, ritualism, fatalism, infanticide, sale of grooms etc. he also stood for the liberation of women and upliftment of depressed class.

Although, I am aware that he also stated that it is in the Vedas and not prohibited absolutely.

What I have been trying to say for 1 day is that:
  1. Hinduism differs on deity, idolatry and there is no agreed upon belief system
  2. Islam on the other hand has fundamental and creedal belief in oneness of God.
 
Don't need evidence because idol worship is not agreed by all Hindus. For example Hindus like Swami Dayanand Saraswati (1824-1823) rejected idol worship!



Although, I am aware that he also stated that it is in the Vedas and not prohibited absolutely.

What I have been trying to say for 1 day is that:
  1. Hinduism differs on deity, idolatry and there is no agreed upon belief system
  2. Islam on the other hand has fundamental and creedal belief in oneness of God.
Hinduism is a conglomeration of many cults in India. Hence we see so many rituals and so many ways people worship their deity. All of these cults are bonded by common stories of Ramayana, Mahabharata etc. No one forces anyone to worship in certain way. When the belief is Gods is everywhere, we can pray to anything. Live and let live. Whatever sails your boat.

Islam is completely different. A complete antithesis of Hinduism.
 
Hinduism is a conglomeration of many cults in India. Hence we see so many rituals and so many ways people worship their deity. All of these cults are bonded by common stories of Ramayana, Mahabharata etc. No one forces anyone to worship in certain way. When the belief is Gods is everywhere, we can pray to anything. Live and let live. Whatever sails your boat.

Islam is completely different. A complete antithesis of Hinduism.
Yes, I agree.

There is nothing structured and coherent in Hinduism apart from some vague ideas whose authenticity is not established, its just whatever goes said by whoever, whenever...
 
Yes, I agree.

There is nothing structured and coherent in Hinduism apart from some vague ideas whose authenticity is not established, its just whatever goes said by whoever, whenever...
Not just vague ideas. You have to read about Advaita Vedanta by Shankaracharya and Dvaita Vedanta by Madhvacharya etc. there are also other schools of thoughts like Vishishta Advaita, ShuddaAdvaita etc. Hinduism is a philosophy and there are various schools of thought about what God is. One can choose to follow any school of thought. It is called a Panth or Marg or ways. There are many such Panths. There is Buddh Marg, Jain Marg, Sikh Panth.

Vedanta is a significant school of Hindu philosophy that explores the nature of reality, the individual self (Atman), and the ultimate reality (Brahman). It's a philosophical foundation of Hinduism and is based on the Vedas, the sacred scriptures of India. Vedanta emphasizes the search for Self-knowledge and the understanding of the relationship between the individual soul and the ultimate reality.

Key Concepts and Schools of Vedanta:
  • Veda + Anta:
    The term "Vedanta" literally means "the end of the Veda" or "the goal of the Veda," referring to the Upanishads, which are considered the most important part of the Vedas.

  • Upanishads, Brahma Sutras, and Bhagavad Gita:
    These are the core texts of Vedanta, providing insights into the nature of existence and the path to liberation (moksha).

  • Atman and Brahman:
    Vedanta explores the relationship between the individual soul (Atman) and the ultimate reality (Brahman).
    • Advaita Vedanta: This school, propounded by Adi Shankara, asserts the non-duality of Atman and Brahman, meaning they are essentially one.

    • Vishishtadvaita Vedanta: This school, founded by Ramanuja, posits that while Brahman is the sole reality, individual souls are distinct aspects of it, not identical to it.

    • Dvaita Vedanta: This school, established by Madhvacharya, maintains a dualistic view, asserting that Atman and Brahman are separate.
  • Moksha:
    The ultimate goal of Vedanta is moksha, or liberation from worldly suffering and the attainment of enlightenment.

  • Yoga:
    Various forms of yoga are practiced as paths to realizing the unity of Atman and Brahman.
Significance of Vedanta:
  • Universal Application:
    Vedanta is considered a universal philosophy, relevant to all cultures, religions, and backgrounds, according to Vedanta Society of Southern California.

  • Foundation of Hinduism:
    Vedanta provides the philosophical framework for understanding many aspects of Hinduism.

  • Search for Self-Knowledge:
    Vedanta encourages individuals to seek inner knowledge and understanding of their true nature.

  • Harmony and Liberation:
    Vedanta emphasizes the importance of harmony in life and the ultimate goal of achieving liberation from the cycle of birth and death.

 
Not just vague ideas. You have to read about Advaita Vedanta by Shankaracharya and Dvaita Vedanta by Madhvacharya etc. there are also other schools of thoughts like Vishishta Advaita, ShuddaAdvaita etc. Hinduism is a philosophy and there are various schools of thought about what God is. One can choose to follow any school of thought. It is called a Panth or Marg or ways. There are many such Panths. There is Buddh Marg, Jain Marg, Sikh Panth.

Vedanta is a significant school of Hindu philosophy that explores the nature of reality, the individual self (Atman), and the ultimate reality (Brahman). It's a philosophical foundation of Hinduism and is based on the Vedas, the sacred scriptures of India. Vedanta emphasizes the search for Self-knowledge and the understanding of the relationship between the individual soul and the ultimate reality.

Key Concepts and Schools of Vedanta:
  • Veda + Anta:
    The term "Vedanta" literally means "the end of the Veda" or "the goal of the Veda," referring to the Upanishads, which are considered the most important part of the Vedas.

  • Upanishads, Brahma Sutras, and Bhagavad Gita:
    These are the core texts of Vedanta, providing insights into the nature of existence and the path to liberation (moksha).

  • Atman and Brahman:
    Vedanta explores the relationship between the individual soul (Atman) and the ultimate reality (Brahman).
    • Advaita Vedanta: This school, propounded by Adi Shankara, asserts the non-duality of Atman and Brahman, meaning they are essentially one.

    • Vishishtadvaita Vedanta: This school, founded by Ramanuja, posits that while Brahman is the sole reality, individual souls are distinct aspects of it, not identical to it.

    • Dvaita Vedanta: This school, established by Madhvacharya, maintains a dualistic view, asserting that Atman and Brahman are separate.
  • Moksha:
    The ultimate goal of Vedanta is moksha, or liberation from worldly suffering and the attainment of enlightenment.

  • Yoga:
    Various forms of yoga are practiced as paths to realizing the unity of Atman and Brahman.
Significance of Vedanta:
  • Universal Application:
    Vedanta is considered a universal philosophy, relevant to all cultures, religions, and backgrounds, according to Vedanta Society of Southern California.

  • Foundation of Hinduism:
    Vedanta provides the philosophical framework for understanding many aspects of Hinduism.

  • Search for Self-Knowledge:
    Vedanta encourages individuals to seek inner knowledge and understanding of their true nature.

  • Harmony and Liberation:
    Vedanta emphasizes the importance of harmony in life and the ultimate goal of achieving liberation from the cycle of birth and death.
Vague ideas which have been put together with no historical accuracy or consistency and not generally known by Hindus in Sanskirit themselves (or cannot even read). The MixNMatch of ideas is something which isn't a virtue but happenstance due to historical time and things being picked up and added over time with no guiding principles

So if you want to amend and say "Hinduism is where anything goes from incest and what not" then that's fine. I am not trying to insult it because I don't and can't but its a MixNMatch with anything goes and if in your eyes its "Virtuous" that's fine.
 
Vague ideas which have been put together with no historical accuracy or consistency and not generally known by Hindus in Sanskirit themselves (or cannot even read). The MixNMatch of ideas is something which isn't a virtue but happenstance due to historical time and things being picked up and added over time with no guiding principles

So if you want to amend and say "Hinduism is where anything goes from incest and what not" then that's fine. I am not trying to insult it because I don't and can't but its a MixNMatch with anything goes and if in your eyes its "Virtuous" that's fine.

Every religion is based on vague ideas, no proof Angel Gabriel came and gave the revelation to Muhammad, zero proof jesus rose from the dead etc etc.

It is just a belief nothing more....
 
Well you made the point on vague, I just responded to it, no need to be upset. Islam is just as vague as all other religions...
So you are unable to address the issues pointed to you specifically, that's what I thought.

Got it & seen it
 
@hoshiarpurexpress this thread awaits the answer from you....instead of mentioning some "murderous" kings please enlighten us with the name of some Hindu or Sikh saint rulers.
You guys just don't get it? There has been no Hindu and Sikh leaders who have forcefully tried to convert the people in the name of thier religion, killed the kids like Guru Gobind Singh's sons. But I will humour you as you have not an iota of idea about our Indian History and Sikhism and Hinduism.

Here is my list.

  1. Raja Raja Chola I (r. 985–1014 CE) – Chola Empire
    • A powerful South Indian king known for expanding the Chola Empire and building great temples like the Brihadeeswarar Temple.
    • No record of religious persecution; he supported Shaivism but allowed other sects to flourish.
  2. Krishnadevaraya (r. 1509–1529 CE) – Vijayanagara Empire
    • A patron of arts, literature, and religious tolerance.
    • Though a devout Hindu, he supported Jain and even some Muslim scholars, and his court included people from various religious backgrounds.
  3. Ashoka the Great (r. 268–232 BCE) – Maurya Empire
    • After the Kalinga war, he converted to Buddhism and championed non-violence and religious tolerance.
    • His edicts promoted respect for all faiths and opposed religious persecution.
  4. Harsha (r. 606–647 CE) – Vardhana Empire
    • Though a Hindu by religion, he was a strong patron of Buddhism, supported religious debates and diverse sects, and maintained religious harmony.

  1. Guru Nanak (1469–1539)
    • Founder of Sikhism, firmly opposed forced conversion, caste discrimination, and religious violence.
    • Preached universal brotherhood, equality, and devotion without ritualism.
  2. Guru Tegh Bahadur (1621–1675)
    • Martyred for protecting Kashmiri Pandits from forced conversion under Mughal rule.
    • He stood for the right to religious freedom—even for those outside his own faith.
  3. Guru Gobind Singh (1666–1708)
    • The 10th Sikh Guru, he created the Khalsa to fight oppression.
    • While he led military resistance against tyranny, he did not advocate forced conversions or genocide.
    • Famous for saying: “Recognize all mankind as one.”


@The Bald Eagle t

The entire Islamic conquest in the Indian subcontinent was marked by significant brutality. While it’s true that many civilisations throughout history have engaged in violent conquests and expansion, often involving the annexation of foreign lands and suppression of local populations, the distinguishing factor in the case of Islamic invasions was the widespread and systematic use of religious persecution, forced conversions, and mass killings carried out explicitly in the name of religion. This ideological justification for violence—where faith was not just a backdrop but the central motive—sets these conquests apart. Drawing parallels to extremist ideologies like those of ISIS or historical figures such as Hitler, the imposition of a singular religious worldview through violence is what makes this chapter of history particularly grim. Despite this, some continue to glorify such figures, especially in national narratives across regions like Pakistan, which raises serious concerns about how history is remembered and taught. I mean why do Pakistanis name their Missiles Ghazni.. he is an Afghan and modern day Pakistanis are descendants of Hindus who were forcefully converted. If we go back 5 generations, your ancestors were called Ram Lal and Kishan lal. That is the point of contention - a Fake identity and identity solely based on that Pakistanis are not Hindus.
 
The problem with subcontinent Muslims is they take any insult, abuse, and criticism of those subhuman invaders of the subcontinent as an insult to Islam. Those subhumans who didn't even live an Islamic lifestyle have nothing to do with Islam.​
 
The problem with subcontinent Muslims is they take any insult, abuse, and criticism of those subhuman invaders of the subcontinent as an insult to Islam. Those subhumans who didn't even live an Islamic lifestyle have nothing to do with Islam.​
and even validation of those invaders actions through the green colour tinted lenses
 
The problem with subcontinent Muslims is they take any insult, abuse, and criticism of those subhuman invaders of the subcontinent as an insult to Islam. Those subhumans who didn't even live an Islamic lifestyle have nothing to do with Islam.​
Because it is Jihad to spread Islam.

@The Bald Eagle Came in hot to suggest Sanatanis warefare rules are inferior comapred to Islamic. When probed about it, there no logical answer at all. This inherint belief that their religion is superior and other religions as inferior is the root cause of all the evil. All abrahamic faiths have this stain but muslims in particular have this weird obsession to start preaching and spreading Islam by downplaying other religions.
 
Because it is Jihad to spread Islam.

@The Bald Eagle Came in hot to suggest Sanatanis warefare rules are inferior comapred to Islamic. When probed about it, there no logical answer at all. This inherint belief that their religion is superior and other religions as inferior is the root cause of all the evil. All abrahamic faiths have this stain but muslims in particular have this weird obsession to start preaching and spreading Islam by downplaying other religions.
Couldn't have said it better. The annoying superiority complex among Muslims is the root cause of Islamophobia.
 
Couldn't have said it better. The annoying superiority complex among Muslims is the root cause of Islamophobia.

When you go around preaching only my God is correct, your God is wrong and threaten ppl with hellfire in the afterlife, if you don't believe in the Arabian God, then it breeds an evil called fanatical behaviour.. Christians however has adapted with time but muslims are trying to go back to the time when Mohammad rode around on his camel, showing ppl who the boss was....

What is all this for ?

No one knows the truth, we are all believing in something with zero scientific evidence, heck all of us could be wrong. So best to accept and respect ppl for who they are and let it be, this way of thinking is lost on a lot of converts unfortunately....
 
You guys just don't get it? There has been no Hindu and Sikh leaders who have forcefully tried to convert the people in the name of thier religion, killed the kids like Guru Gobind Singh's sons. But I will humour you as you have not an iota of idea about our Indian History and Sikhism and Hinduism.

Here is my list.

  1. Raja Raja Chola I (r. 985–1014 CE) – Chola Empire
    • A powerful South Indian king known for expanding the Chola Empire and building great temples like the Brihadeeswarar Temple.
    • No record of religious persecution; he supported Shaivism but allowed other sects to flourish.
  2. Krishnadevaraya (r. 1509–1529 CE) – Vijayanagara Empire
    • A patron of arts, literature, and religious tolerance.
    • Though a devout Hindu, he supported Jain and even some Muslim scholars, and his court included people from various religious backgrounds.
  3. Ashoka the Great (r. 268–232 BCE) – Maurya Empire
    • After the Kalinga war, he converted to Buddhism and championed non-violence and religious tolerance.
    • His edicts promoted respect for all faiths and opposed religious persecution.
  4. Harsha (r. 606–647 CE) – Vardhana Empire
    • Though a Hindu by religion, he was a strong patron of Buddhism, supported religious debates and diverse sects, and maintained religious harmony.

  1. Guru Nanak (1469–1539)
    • Founder of Sikhism, firmly opposed forced conversion, caste discrimination, and religious violence.
    • Preached universal brotherhood, equality, and devotion without ritualism.
  2. Guru Tegh Bahadur (1621–1675)
    • Martyred for protecting Kashmiri Pandits from forced conversion under Mughal rule.
    • He stood for the right to religious freedom—even for those outside his own faith.
  3. Guru Gobind Singh (1666–1708)
    • The 10th Sikh Guru, he created the Khalsa to fight oppression.
    • While he led military resistance against tyranny, he did not advocate forced conversions or genocide.
    • Famous for saying: “Recognize all mankind as one.”


@The Bald Eagle t

The entire Islamic conquest in the Indian subcontinent was marked by significant brutality. While it’s true that many civilisations throughout history have engaged in violent conquests and expansion, often involving the annexation of foreign lands and suppression of local populations, the distinguishing factor in the case of Islamic invasions was the widespread and systematic use of religious persecution, forced conversions, and mass killings carried out explicitly in the name of religion. This ideological justification for violence—where faith was not just a backdrop but the central motive—sets these conquests apart. Drawing parallels to extremist ideologies like those of ISIS or historical figures such as Hitler, the imposition of a singular religious worldview through violence is what makes this chapter of history particularly grim. Despite this, some continue to glorify such figures, especially in national narratives across regions like Pakistan, which raises serious concerns about how history is remembered and taught. I mean why do Pakistanis name their Missiles Ghazni.. he is an Afghan and modern day Pakistanis are descendants of Hindus who were forcefully converted. If we go back 5 generations, your ancestors were called Ram Lal and Kishan lal. That is the point of contention - a Fake identity and identity solely based on that Pakistanis are not Hindus.

* First on Sikh Gurus: They were not Rulers but just spiritual leaders of their community.

Guru Tegh Bahadur was not a political ruler or king; he was the ninth Guru (spiritual leader) of the Sikh community from 1664 to 1675


2.
Brutalities of Ashoka the Great
Ashoka’s early reign was marked by extreme violence and ruthless consolidation of power:

  • Fratricidal rise: He killed all male rivals, including his elder brother Susima, and waged a four-year civil war to claim the throne4.
  • Mass executions: Early legends describe him beheading 500 ministers for questioning his orders and constructing a brutal torture chamber (“Ashoka’s Hell”) to punish dissenters2.
  • Kalinga massacre: His 265 BCE invasion of Kalinga killed ~100,000 soldiers/civilians, injured countless others, and enslaved 150,00024.
Post-Kalinga contradictions:
While Buddhist texts highlight his remorse and embrace of nonviolence, his edicts included threats of violence against rebellious tribes4. Some sources allege he persecuted rival sects like the Ajivikas, potentially contributing to their extinction24.

3. Raja Chola Empire 👇

The Chola Empire, particularly under leaders like Rajaraja I, was known for its military strength and expansionist policies, which led to brutal conquests and atrocities. They invaded and occupied territories in Sri Lanka, Lakshadweep, and Maldives, decimating populations and looting treasures. Their campaigns were characterized by violence, destruction, and the elimination of enemy rulers and their families.

Here's a more detailed look at the brutalities:
  • Conquest of Anuradhapura:
    The Cholas invaded and destroyed Anuradhapura, the ancient capital of the Sinhalese kings, causing widespread destruction and abandonment of the city.

  • Occupation of Sri Lanka:
    Rajaraja I's invasion of Sri Lanka in 993 AD resulted in the Chola occupation of the island for nearly a century.

  • Treatment of Enemies:
    The Cholas were known for their uncompromising tactics in war, eliminating rather than sparing enemies. This included the execution of captured generals and their families.

  • Destruction of Sinhalese Resources:
    The Cholas plundered and destroyed the resources of Sri Lanka, including its precious treasures.

  • Military Campaigns:
    The Cholas engaged in numerous military campaigns, including expeditions to North India, demonstrating their aggressive expansionist policies.


  • Impact on Subjects:
    While some portray the Chola period as a golden age, historians acknowledge that the Chola polity was brutal, and its own subjects may not have held a positive view of its rule.
    4. Harshavardhana empire 👇
    • Harshavardhana, a devotee of Lord Shiva later embraced Buddhism.
    • The practice of ‘Sati’ was prevalent among the higher classes during Harsha’s period.
  • Reason (R): Harsha’s mother committed ‘Sati’ after the death of her husband.
And he fought many EXPANSIONIST WARs like "Invaders" lol 👇 but get away as no records available on the number of casualties in these wars 😂😂😂😂

Aggressive Military Campaigns Under Harshavardhana's Empire
Harsha (606–647 CE) pursued an expansionist policy to unify northern India, mobilizing large armies (5,000 elephants, 20,000 cavalry, 50,000 infantry)1. Key campaigns include:


- Eastern Conquests: Defeated King Sasanka of Gauda (Bengal) after prolonged campaigns, annexing Magadha, Bengal, and South Bihar post-Sasanka’s death1. Allied with Kamarupa (Assam) under Bhaskara-Varman1.
- Western Expansion: Conquered Sindh and Vallabhi (Gujarat), securing alliances through marriage with King Dhruvasena II1. Extended control over Saurashtra, Kutch, and western Malwa1.
- Southern Campaign: Invaded the Deccan (c. 620 CE) but faced defeat against Chalukya ruler Pulakeshin II near the Narmada River, halting southern expansion12.
- Southeastern Push: Annexed parts of Orissa (643 CE), later hosting Buddhist conferences there1.
  • No specific casualty figures are recorded in historical sources like Hiuen Tsang’s accounts or inscriptions
5. Krishnadevaraya (r. 1509–1529 CE) – Vijayanagara Empire

  1. Battle of Meduru (1515):
    Skirmishes with Prataparudra Deva’s forces led to heavy casualties on both sides before Vijayanagara’s victory3. The scale of fighting suggests significant loss of life, though exact figures are unavailable.
  2. Diplomatic Subterfuge:
    Minister Timmarusu bribed Gajapati nobles to betray Prataparudra Deva, destabilizing the enemy before capturing Cuttack3. Such tactics, while strategic, undermined loyalty and likely caused internal strife.
  3. Post-Conquest Pillaging:
    While Krishnadevaraya’s era lacked the systemic destruction seen later (e.g., 1565 Sack of Vijayanagara56), captured territories like Kondavidu were garrisoned, and local elites replaced, indicating coercive consolidation3.
 
Because it is Jihad to spread Islam.

@The Bald Eagle Came in hot to suggest Sanatanis warefare rules are inferior comapred to Islamic. When probed about it, there no logical answer at all. This inherint belief that their religion is superior and other religions as inferior is the root cause of all the evil. All abrahamic faiths have this stain but muslims in particular have this weird obsession to start preaching and spreading Islam by downplaying other religions.
@Romali_rotti any question left unanswered by me, my friend

Brother Indoor, I guess you missed my earlier comparison posts anyway I missed this point there 👇

Sati and Hindu Warfare Practices
Sati
was a historical practice where Hindu widows immolated themselves on their husband’s funeral pyre, often linked to Kshatriya (warrior-class) traditions and regional warfare dynamics

Some references of Sati in Hinduism's religious text 👇 👇
  • The Mahabharata and later sources confirm that sati was practiced, especially among the aristocracy and warrior classes (Kshatriyas). For example, the self-immolation of Madri, wife of Pandu, is described in the epic.

  • The Atharva Veda also references a widow lying beside her deceased husband, but the text is ambiguous and open to interpretation.

Key Connections to Warfare:

  1. Jauhar and Sati:
    • Jauhar was a Rajput practice of mass self-immolation by women to avoid capture during wartime defeats (e.g., Queen Padmini’s 13th-century act against Alauddin Khilji)
    • Sati later became associated with preserving "honor" for widows of slain warriors, blending with jauhar’s ideology to avoid enslavement by invaders.
  2. Caste and Spread:
    • Sati originated among Rajput clans in western India and was adopted by Brahmins and others through Sanskritization
 
@Romali_rotti any question left unanswered by me, my friend

Brother Indoor, I guess you missed my earlier comparison posts anyway I missed this point there 👇

Sati and Hindu Warfare Practices
Sati
was a historical practice where Hindu widows immolated themselves on their husband’s funeral pyre, often linked to Kshatriya (warrior-class) traditions and regional warfare dynamics

Some references of Sati in Hinduism's religious text 👇 👇
  • The Mahabharata and later sources confirm that sati was practiced, especially among the aristocracy and warrior classes (Kshatriyas). For example, the self-immolation of Madri, wife of Pandu, is described in the epic.

  • The Atharva Veda also references a widow lying beside her deceased husband, but the text is ambiguous and open to interpretation.

Key Connections to Warfare:

  1. Jauhar and Sati:
    • Jauhar was a Rajput practice of mass self-immolation by women to avoid capture during wartime defeats (e.g., Queen Padmini’s 13th-century act against Alauddin Khilji)
    • Sati later became associated with preserving "honor" for widows of slain warriors, blending with jauhar’s ideology to avoid enslavement by invaders.
  2. Caste and Spread:
    • Sati originated among Rajput clans in western India and was adopted by Brahmins and others through Sanskritization
Mahabharatha and even rigveda talks about sati. But not in the 13th century context which started with Islamic invasions

Sati has its origins in the Vedic period where it was a symbolic practice without the actual fire sacrifice or death (the widow lay on her husband's funeral pyre before it was lit but was raised from it by a male relative of her dead husband), this is supported by prevalence of Niyoga, the practice of appointing a man to marry a widow or a lady in the situation where her husband is either incapable of producing children or has died, in those times.

A later, and probably deliberate, mistranslation was made in order to attain 'Vedic sanction for the act by changing the word agre, "to go forth" into agneh, "to the fire", in the specific verse. The specific verse in the Rigveda being:-

इमा नारीरविधवाः सुपत्नीराञ्जनेन सर्पिषा संविशन्तु |अनश्रवो.अनमीवाः सुरत्ना आ रोहन्तु जनयोयोनिमग्रे ||
- The Rigveda, 10th Mandala, 18th Sukta, 7th ṛc

These women here, non-widows with good husbands—let them, with fresh butter as ointment, approach together. Without tears, without afflictions, well-jeweled, let the wives first mount the womb
- Translation of the above verse from The Rigveda: The Earliest Religious Poetry of India by Stephanie Jamison and Joel Brereton

The full set of verses in the 18th sukta that are important to the topic of Sati are:-

इमा नारीरविधवाः सुपत्नीराञ्जनेन सर्पिषा संविशन्तु |अनश्रवो.अनमीवाः सुरत्ना आ रोहन्तु जनयोयोनिमग्रे ||

उदीर्ष्व नार्यभि जीवलोकं गतासुमेतमुप शेष एहि |हस्तग्राभस्य दिधिषोस्तवेदं पत्युर्जनित्वमभि सम्बभूथ ||

अत्रै॒व त्वमि॒ह व॒यं सु॒वीरा॒ विश्वाः॒ स्पृधो॑ अ॒भिमा॑तीर्जयेम Iउप॑ सर्प मा॒तरं॒ भूमि॑मे॒तामु॑रु॒व्यच॑सं पृथि॒वीं सु॒शेवा॑म् ।I
- The Rigveda, 10th Mandala, 18th Sukta, 7th - 9th ṛcas

These women here, non-widows with good husbands—let them, with fresh butter as ointment, approach together. Without tears, without afflictions, well-jeweled, let the wives first mount the womb.

“Arise, woman, to the world of the living. You lie beside him whose life is gone. Come here! You have come into existence now as wife of a husband who has grasped your hand and wishes to have you.”

Taking the bow from the hand of the dead for our dominion, luster, and strength, you there and we here—may we with good heroes win all contests and hostile engagements
- Translation source the same as before

From verse 8 it appears that the widow lies down, temporarily, beside her dead husband, but is summoned back to life and lifted of the pyre and indeed symbolically reborn to become the wife of a new husband.

The happy women in verse 7 apparently approach the funeral pyre to adorn the widow for her return to life.

It makes sense when one realises that yoni also has the meaning of womb and place of birth, the 8th verse tells us that she is symbolically reborn after the death of her husband, and now the word yoni and some of its meanings that I showed, in the verse makes perfect sense, the women is laid on to the womb, the place of her birth to be symbolically reborn.

Again from wiki

One of the stanzas in the Mahabharata describes Madri's suicide by sati, but is likely an interpolation given that it has contradictions with the succeeding verses.


So tell me how Islamic war rules are better than Sanatanis?
 
@Romali_rotti any question left unanswered by me, my friend

Brother Indoor, I guess you missed my earlier comparison posts anyway I missed this point there 👇

Sati and Hindu Warfare Practices
Sati
was a historical practice where Hindu widows immolated themselves on their husband’s funeral pyre, often linked to Kshatriya (warrior-class) traditions and regional warfare dynamics

Some references of Sati in Hinduism's religious text 👇 👇
  • The Mahabharata and later sources confirm that sati was practiced, especially among the aristocracy and warrior classes (Kshatriyas). For example, the self-immolation of Madri, wife of Pandu, is described in the epic.

  • The Atharva Veda also references a widow lying beside her deceased husband, but the text is ambiguous and open to interpretation.

Key Connections to Warfare:

  1. Jauhar and Sati:
    • Jauhar was a Rajput practice of mass self-immolation by women to avoid capture during wartime defeats (e.g., Queen Padmini’s 13th-century act against Alauddin Khilji)
    • Sati later became associated with preserving "honor" for widows of slain warriors, blending with jauhar’s ideology to avoid enslavement by invaders.
  2. Caste and Spread:
    • Sati originated among Rajput clans in western India and was adopted by Brahmins and others through Sanskritization
Again what about your comparitions table? Tell me which point under Islamic is superior than Sanatani's? Dont leave the guess work to the reader. State your point rather clearly and unambiguously
 
Mahabharatha and even rigveda talks about sati. But not in the 13th century context which started with Islamic invasions

Sati has its origins in the Vedic period where it was a symbolic practice without the actual fire sacrifice or death (the widow lay on her husband's funeral pyre before it was lit but was raised from it by a male relative of her dead husband), this is supported by prevalence of Niyoga, the practice of appointing a man to marry a widow or a lady in the situation where her husband is either incapable of producing children or has died, in those times.

A later, and probably deliberate, mistranslation was made in order to attain 'Vedic sanction for the act by changing the word agre, "to go forth" into agneh, "to the fire", in the specific verse. The specific verse in the Rigveda being:-


- The Rigveda, 10th Mandala, 18th Sukta, 7th ṛc


- Translation of the above verse from The Rigveda: The Earliest Religious Poetry of India by Stephanie Jamison and Joel Brereton

The full set of verses in the 18th sukta that are important to the topic of Sati are:-


- The Rigveda, 10th Mandala, 18th Sukta, 7th - 9th ṛcas


- Translation source the same as before

From verse 8 it appears that the widow lies down, temporarily, beside her dead husband, but is summoned back to life and lifted of the pyre and indeed symbolically reborn to become the wife of a new husband.

The happy women in verse 7 apparently approach the funeral pyre to adorn the widow for her return to life.

It makes sense when one realises that yoni also has the meaning of womb and place of birth, the 8th verse tells us that she is symbolically reborn after the death of her husband, and now the word yoni and some of its meanings that I showed, in the verse makes perfect sense, the women is laid on to the womb, the place of her birth to be symbolically reborn.

Again from wiki

One of the stanzas in the Mahabharata describes Madri's suicide by sati, but is likely an interpolation given that it has contradictions with the succeeding verses.


So tell me how Islamic war rules are better than Sanatanis?
Lol...no need to get angry by calling other hotshots 😂😂😂

You asked for it and I provided reference, did Islam ever call for sati for women or suicide in case of raid by enemy forces? 😂. Like Hindu texts, is there any Quranic text too. The floor is your now
 
When you go around preaching only my God is correct, your God is wrong and threaten ppl with hellfire in the afterlife, if you don't believe in the Arabian God, then it breeds an evil called fanatical behaviour.. Christians however has adapted with time but muslims are trying to go back to the time when Mohammad rode around on his camel, showing ppl who the boss was....

What is all this for ?

No one knows the truth, we are all believing in something with zero scientific evidence, heck all of us could be wrong. So best to accept and respect ppl for who they are and let it be, this way of thinking is lost on a lot of converts unfortunately....

How can you threaten people with hellfire? Can you give me some examples of when anyone was threatened by hellfire in recent memory?
 
Lol...no need to get angry by calling other hotshots 😂😂😂

You asked for it and I provided reference, did Islam ever call for sati for women or suicide in case of raid by enemy forces? 😂. Like Hindu texts, is there any Quranic text too. The floor is your now

You didnt show me where Hindu scriptures stated women to commit sucide. Sati was rather symbolic as I stated references. Again you didnt provide any valid references or sources. I will be waiting for the references.
 
You didnt show me where Hindu scriptures stated women to commit sucide. Sati was rather symbolic as I stated references. Again you didnt provide any valid references or sources. I will be waiting for the references.
Or you might be having comprehension issues 🤔
Let me help you with wiki sources

According to Romila Thapar, in the Vedic period, when "mores of the clan gave way to the norms of caste", wives were obliged to join in quite a few rituals but without much authority. A ritual with support in a Vedic text was a "symbolic self-immolation" which it is believed a widow of status needed to perform at the death of her husband, the widow subsequently marrying her husband's brother. In later centuries, the text was cited as the origin of Sati, with a variant reading allowing the authorities to insist that the widow sacrifice herself in reality by joining her deceased husband on the funeral pyre

Anand A. Yang notes that the Rig Veda refers to a "mimetic ceremony" where a "widow lay on her husband's funeral pyre before it was lit but was raised from it by a male relative of her dead husband." According to Yang, the word agre, "to go forth", was (probably in the 16th century) mistranslated into agneh, "into the fire", to give Vedic sanction for sati

Even a hard core muslim appologist like Romila Thapar and a well renouned Historian claims Sati to be symbolic. BTW hotshot means you are extermely good at something which you claim to be on competrary religious warefare rules.
 
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