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Angelo Mathews vs Virat Kohli - Who is the better Test Batsman?

Need more away matches, especially away matches. So far IMO Mathews is a better bat but in longer run I think Kohli would triumph him.
 
if virat can another big 100 and get india a draw atleast he will go above mathews
 
I'm very eager too see how Virat handles johnson and co in gabba its gonna b fast and bouncy
 
Batman_DB said:
I'm going series by series before the england series mathews was leading but now after 2 100s virat is back on level terms
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You can only use comparative results, Matthews >>>>>> Kohli in England. You can't put Kohli ahead until Matthews plays in Adelaide.
 
^^ It seems as there is a correlation between having Batman in your username and having a fondness for Kohli :P
 
Cricket_Engineer said:
Based on 1 series :facepalm: why don't you look at how both performed in England?
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Why don't you look at how both performed in Australia and South Africa? Hell Mathews averages under 40 away much like Kohli and Kohli hasn't even faced Bangladesh.

Mathews even averages under 30 in India. Both are future greats of the game but the way you are putting down Kohli, atleast do some damn research so you won't get owned so quickly. :mj
 
Cricket_Engineer said:
You can only use comparative results, Matthews >>>>>> Kohli in England. You can't put Kohli ahead until Matthews plays in Adelaide.
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Mathews sucked in SA where Kohli did very well

and Mathews has played in Aus and hasnt done well
 
time for virat to carry this batting form and build towards a 50 plus average when you are form make best use of it get another 100 and cover up for the dismal england series
 
Don't think Indians ever show any hate for Mathews, he's adored by all all Indian fans. But its pretty stupid using his purple patch to put down Kohli in a pretty ordinary run in one series.
 
I prefer Kohli as he is far more exciting to watch. Just the love the way he bats, but Mathew is more productive right now, as his average is a lot better than Kohli.
 
Even Ashwin was averaging 40sh not too long ago. The more cricket these guys play, the better overall batsman will simply shine out which of course is Kohli. :kohli
 
Kohli and Mathews are genuine world class batsmen and could be the face of their respective countries batting.Mathews is my favorite srilankan batsman and unlike Mahela he is not an HTB.
 
If Matthews played on these pitches he would have scored a couple double hundreds. Absolute pancakes when the likes of Hazlewood and Haris come close to quick centuries.
 
Both are good.

Mathews will be more consistent on tougher surfaces.
 
Matthews. Extra pressure as captain, series win in England and above all, an awesome series as a batsman in England which Virat can never boast of right now
 
LOL, so after each good performance was one of them this thread is going to get bumped?
 
EliteCynic said:
Matthews. Extra pressure as captain, series win in England and above all, an awesome series as a batsman in England which Virat can never boast of right now
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Matthews is very poor in SA and AUS where Virat has much better than him.Infact except England Matthews doesnt have a century anywhere outside Asia.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Do tougher surfaces end in England?
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You're getting insecure for no reason. Calm down.

Don't dig things from the past when he was new & struggling to find his feet. He transformed himself and is a completely different bat now.

What I said is true. Rahane may be able to challenge Mathews in tougher conditions.
 
Hawkeye said:
You're getting insecure for no reason. Calm down.

Don't dig things from the past when he was new & struggling to find his feet. He transformed himself and is a completely different bat now.

What I said is true. Rahane may be able to challenge Mathews in tougher conditions.
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Oh oh.More excuses.Keep them coming.

And BTW if you didnt know it was Kohli's first test tour of england.But then again you will probably find another new excuse about why Matthew's failures in SA/AUS etc and why he doesnt have any centuries outside UAE/SL except England and why Kohli's failures in England should be used to declare him a lesser batsman.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Oh oh.More excuses.Keep them coming.

And BTW if you didnt know it was Kohli's first test tour of england.But then again you will probably find another new excuse about why Matthew's failures in SA/AUS etc and why he doesnt have any centuries outside UAE/SL except England and why Kohli's failures in England should be used to declare him a lesser batsman.
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Again insecurity. You need to calm down. Kohli is good as I've already mentioned.

You don't have to force others to believe that he's the best young Test bat though. Most will disagree.
 
desi_launda said:
what else did you think?
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Yah, it's expected to see these bumps frequently based on one of them having a good series, heck even test.,lol.

I think after 50-60 tests, you get a good sample set.
 
No need to bash them both are equal at the moment,expect Mathews to better his record in Aus,Sa he wasn't this good a couple of years ago
 
Sandeep said:
You take it to another level :facepalm:
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Really? I will quote what I posted in another thread:

Those pitches are flat? Unless you are under the presumption that Australia can only produce fast and bouncy wickets you are ill informed.

If you are under the presumption that Australia can only produce fast and bouncy wickets you are ill informed. The real test of Australia was due to the bowling attack led by McGrath, and the fact that the pitches were actually spicy.

I take the word of a world-class international bowler like Haris who is playing on this wicket - who says these pitches are highways - than an armchair expert in India such as yourself. When a debutant like Hazlewood and the likes of Johnson, Harris and Starc are smashing big scores at ~100 SR then the pitch is flat, no question about that.
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Hawkeye said:
Again insecurity. You need to calm down. Kohli is good as I've already mentioned.

You don't have to force others to believe that he's the best young Test bat though. Most will disagree.
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But i can always tell the Matthew fans about how poor Matthews is outside Asia.
 
Kohli, in all likelihood will end up as an all time great, Mathews will end his career as a good batsman and a handy bowler. Kohli is way ahead of Mathews. In just 2 weeks, I have watched two of the best test knocks over last 10-15 years from the same batsman, Kohli. Last night he had great inning but his Adelaid innings was out of this world, even though he lost. If teams want to stop India from doing good in the WC, they better come out with an answer to this guy, who looks unstopable at the moment.
 
Mathews missed out on a great oppurtunity to show the world that he is a superior bat to virat in tests :sanga
 
spiderreddy said:
Mathews missed out on a great oppurtunity to show the world that he is a superior bat to virat in tests :sanga
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Can't really blame him
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Mathews as he's been very consistent.

But I think he should bat higher - number 4 would be ideal.
 
The more these guys play, more Kohli will shine out. He's real talent.
 
mathews crumbled under pressure today he has gone 2 steps behind VK lets see where they stand end of the year
 
Mathews has been a consistent performer for a while now. Kohli was on his knees in England. Mathews has performed very well for a while. Kohli is a glorified FTB.
 
as-95 said:
Mathews has been a consistent performer for a while now. Kohli was on his knees in England. Mathews has performed very well for a while. Kohli is a glorified FTB.
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lol. He has better test average in SA, NZ and Australia than Inzi.

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AamchiMumbaikar said:
Mathews did well in ENG
Kohli did well in AUS

But overall so far Mathews test record > Kohli
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I think sample set is too small to compare them fairly but your logic is too simplistic here. Mathews and Kohli have only 5 common venues so far. Ind, SA, NZ, Eng and Aus. Kohli has been gun in 4 venues and poor in 1. Mathews has been gun in one venue and poor in 4.

Kohli averages 71 in NZ, 68 in SA, 57 in Aus & 50 in Ind. Kohli aevrages 13 in Eng

Mathews avges 34 in NZ, 23 in SA, 29 in Aus & 29 in Ind. Mathews averages 76 in Eng

Kohli has a poor avg in WI where Mathews has not played. Mathews has a great average in BD, UAE and Sl where Kohli has not played.

So unless, they have played on all surfaces, you can't really make any judgement but this is what you have so far from both. I think it's easier to compare after both have played 50-60 tests. All venues gets covered and you also get a bigger sample size.
 
what a stupid thread, any knowledgeable person dispassionately will say mathews and by miles.
 
I'm still not convinced about Kohli's credentials against swing. England's tour will remain a blemish on his career forever. That was beyond atrocious.
 
Sandeep said:
I'm still not convinced about Kohli's credentials against swing. England's tour will remain a blemish on his career forever. That was beyond atrocious.
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Being a rohit fanboy , this was expected from you :P

Even we Mumbaikars have lost hope on this noob, he's been an abject failure outside India in all formats.
 
Can't believe that people are using Kohli's performances on flat pitches to show that he has done great in South Africa and Australia. Matthews and any other good batsman would have scored runs on those pitches so its hardly a bid deal that Kohli plundered a lot of runs there.

I'd say that Matthews is better as of now.
 
Kohli has big problems against pace bowling on green pitches and his game against the spinners isn't too special either. Matthews will atleast score runs against spinners.
 
Let's stop hyping Mathews up. One good Test in England doesn't change the fact that he has been a failure away.

He is a fine player, but nothing more.
 
Bilal7 said:
Kohli has big problems against pace bowling on green pitches and his game against the spinners isn't too special either. Matthews will atleast score runs against spinners.
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:))

Kohli is the best young batsman in the world today. Be it pace or spin, he is a beast.
 
Bilal7 said:
How about you take into account the difference in quality between the teams that we have now and the ones during Inzi's time?
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lol I dont see you using that argument when we talk about Amlas stats ?
Dont like it stay out , stop with your stupid reasoning
 
Bilal7 said:
Kohli has big problems against pace bowling on green pitches and his game against the spinners isn't too special either. Matthews will atleast score runs against spinners.
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Hahahahahaha.
okay.

If u sAy so.
 
Bilal7 said:
Kohli has big problems against pace bowling on green pitches and his game against the spinners isn't too special either. Matthews will atleast score runs against spinners.
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Every batsmen has big problems against great pace bowlers on green pitches .
Virat is one of the best players of the spin ,
you come across as really bitter and biased
 
Bilal7 said:
Kohli has big problems against pace bowling on green pitches and his game against the spinners isn't too special either. Matthews will atleast score runs against spinners.
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Please explain this bs you just posted.

But then again , you think MoYo was better than VVS , so i guess it is expected.
 
Bilal7 said:
Can't believe that people are using Kohli's performances on flat pitches to show that he has done great in South Africa and Australia. Matthews and any other good batsman would have scored runs on those pitches so its hardly a bid deal that Kohli plundered a lot of runs there.

I'd say that Matthews is better as of now.
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Mathews had the opportunity to play on those pitches and failed. One good knock in England is all he has outside Asia.
 
Bilal7 said:
How about you take into account the difference in quality between the teams that we have now and the ones during Inzi's time?
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Virat has played Anderson and Board in England in their prime (and failed), Steyn, Morkel and Philander in S Africa (succeed), Harris and Mitch in Australia (succeed), Boult and Southee in NZ (they make a decent pair).

He has played pretty good attacks by any standard. To be honest English bowling now is better than what it was during Inzi times. South African is almost equal ( Donald + Pollock vs Steyn + Philander + Morkel) Aussie is still pretty good though not good enough(Mcgrath + Gillespie + Warne vs Harris + Mitch) NZ is better I think at the moment (Bond played only handful of tests)


Anyway, I am not saying Virat is better than Inzi or anything, just saying that calling him FTB is stupid.
 
Kohli is the only player that can break sachin's records. :kohli is a living legend, he handles the bat like Elton John handles the piano. Mathews isn't good enough to stand face to face with :kohli . If :kohli is Triple H then Mathews is Chyne
 
IndianWillow said:
Mathews had the opportunity to play on those pitches and failed. One good knock in England is all he has outside Asia.
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Matthews didn't get to play on some of the flattest South African and Australian pitches that people have seen in quite a long time.

biggestdravidfan said:
Please explain this bs you just posted.

But then again , you think MoYo was better than VVS , so i guess it is expected.
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jusarrived said:
Every batsmen has big problems against great pace bowlers on green pitches .
Virat is one of the best players of the spin ,
you come across as really bitter and biased
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Kohli averaged in the low-30's against off-spinners as of the England tour, where the whole Indian batting lineup was befuddled by Moeen Ali. Try to contain your emotions even though criticism of your favourite players has always been hard for you lot.

And yes dravidfan, Yousuf was a better test batsman than VVS. Bump that thread again from where you ran away if you have anything to say about my exposing of Laxman. :)

Electron said:
:))

Kohli is the best young batsman in the world today. Be it pace or spin, he is a beast.
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Root, Smith, Kane, Rahane, Faf, Matthews are all just as good. An argument can be made for any of them being the best. And no, he isn't a beast against spin and has severe problems against pace bowling in bowling friendly conditions.
 
Noobosauras said:
Virat has played Anderson and Board in England in their prime (and failed), Steyn, Morkel and Philander in S Africa (succeed), Harris and Mitch in Australia (succeed), Boult and Southee in NZ (they make a decent pair).

He has played pretty good attacks by any standard. To be honest English bowling now is better than what it was during Inzi times. South African is almost equal ( Donald + Pollock vs Steyn + Philander + Morkel) Aussie is still pretty good though not good enough(Mcgrath + Gillespie + Warne vs Harris + Mitch) NZ is better I think at the moment (Bond played only handful of tests)


Anyway, I am not saying Virat is better than Inzi or anything, just saying that calling him FTB is stupid.
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SA had Nitini and Kallis in his prime too so I would have that bunch ahead of this one. England were at their best during 2010-12 when they had Anderson, Broad and Swann blowing teams away (at home) but yeah, the current one may be better than the one Inzi played. The Australians were much better back then and the Kiwis were probably equal.

Kohli isn't a FTB but at the same time, we can't use his performances on flat tracks to show that he is better than past greats overseas. Which is what Kohli fans have been doing.
 
Wake me up when Matthews scores 5 test hundreds in Australia.
 
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