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Angelo Mathews vs Virat Kohli - Who is the better Test Batsman?

Years from now, more people will talk about Kohli than Mathews, he's the new Sachin. Unfairly skilled.
 
Noobosauras said:
his highest score in Australia is 75. But then he plays late down the order, expecting him to match a no 3 in number of centuries is unfair.
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I wish we were as sensitive when it came to judging Dhoni. Even though he has a way better record than Mathews in away tours, Indians always rated him as a hack.
 
Noobosauras said:
his highest score in Australia is 75. But then he plays late down the order, expecting him to match a no 3 in number of centuries is unfair.
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If he is good enough he would be at 3 or at least 4

He probably knows he will be badly exposed if he comes up the order
 
Mathews is just another FTB so far .One good knock in england doesn't change

The wkts were flat in NZL series yet he once again failed .Has a horrible overseas record as well.

For me Chansimal is better bat than Mathews outside Asia
 
Noobosauras said:
his highest score in Australia is 75. But then he plays late down the order, expecting him to match a no 3 in number of centuries is unfair.
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Batting down the order is a weakness by itself. Why does he play late down the order, now that he is the captain and is supposed to be one of their best bats? He must feel that he would be exposed if he bats up the order.
 
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Mathews who?
 
Saurav said:
Mathews who?
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The flatest decks in the world where even the tailenders are cracking 50's and not even a single meaningful/match winning knock. :facepalm: Considering the fact that he choked when India could actually have won that test in Adelaide, Kohli Who ??? :))

Mathews has won us our first series win in England. What has Kohli won for India ??
 
McGarrett said:
The flatest decks in the world where even the tailenders are cracking 50's and not even a single meaningful/match winning knock. :facepalm: Considering the fact that he choked when India could actually have won that test in Adelaide, Kohli Who ??? :))

Mathews has won us our first series win in England. What has Kohli won for India ??
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McGarrett said:
The flatest decks in the world where even the tailenders are cracking 50's and not even a single meaningful/match winning knock. :facepalm: Considering the fact that he choked when India could actually have won that test in Adelaide, Kohli Who ??? :))

Mathews has won us our first series win in England. What has Kohli won for India ??
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What is your thought on Sanga's pointless and match-losing double hundred on that Kiwi batta? :13:
 
Electron said:
What is your thought on Sanga's pointless and match-losing double hundred on that Kiwi batta? :13:
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Sanga came to bat when SL were 18/1 and then 25/2 , 29/3 , 58/4 , 78/5. 15 wickets fell on that day. Yet Sanga was there unbeaten and then gave a fighting chance for SL by scoring a brilliant 200 with the TAIL.

So, what are you thoughts on Kohli scoring useless 100s on Aussie flat decks (After failing miserably in Eng ) and choking when India actually had a chance to win that Adelaide test ??

REMEMBER !! Mathews scored those runs in England in early summer.
 
McGarrett said:
Sanga came to bat when SL were 18/1 and then 25/2 , 29/3 , 58/4 , 78/5. 15 wickets fell on that day. Yet Sanga was there unbeaten and then gave a fighting chance for SL by scoring a brilliant 200 with the TAIL.



REMEMBER !! Mathews scored those runs in England in early summer.
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That's because rest of your batsmen including Mathews are hopeless. Pitches were total batta, as was proved by Kiwi batsmen.
 
Why is it so hard to respect two young players who are doing well , only in SC fans want to point out the superior.
 
Mathews is just a good batsmen may be a SL great , Virat will be 2 leagues above him when they finish their career.
its pretty obvious for every one .
 
McGarrett said:
The flatest decks in the world where even the tailenders are cracking 50's and not even a single meaningful/match winning knock. :facepalm: Considering the fact that he choked when India could actually have won that test in Adelaide, Kohli Who ??? :))

Mathews has won us our first series win in England. What has Kohli won for India ??
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The one who loves to whip lankan rear ends 9 out of 10 times he faces them.
 
Electron said:
That's because rest of your batsmen including Mathews are hopeless. Pitches were total batta, as was proved by Kiwi batsmen.
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Just because Mathews failed in a one match, you call him hopeless. Remember he scored 2 50s in the previous match. If Kohli ever plays an amazing match winning knock to win India a match/series, then come 'n talk. As of now, he's just scoring useless runs on the flatest decks Australia have ever produced against the bowlers who aren't in form. case closed !!
 
McGarrett said:
And all of sudden , Headingley's is a flat deck. :))
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chill boy u won ur first series there and it was only 2 match series which was very very close contest and even india was leading in first two matches in 5 match test series.we knw how gud sri lanka when dey recently toured india.and virat is world best batsman r8 now if u take all the formats combined.
 
One thing's for sure. If Saffers like ABD, Amla piled up runs like Kohli, entire PP will be bowling down to them.
 
McGarrett said:
You need to talk to your fellow Indian fans about it.
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I agree,but you can let it go once in a while too mate btw its a pretty weird comparison but nevertheless best of luck to both hope we have great encounters in the coming months.
 
McGarrett said:
Just because Mathews failed in a one match, you call him hopeless. Remember he scored 2 50s in the previous match. If Kohli ever plays an amazing match winning knock to win India a match/series, then come 'n talk. As of now, he's just scoring useless runs on the flatest decks Australia have ever produced against the bowlers who aren't in form. case closed !!
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LOl..so did your Sanga. All your matches he scored in were Sri Lanka losses. 100% loss record bro.

Kohli atleast is helping India draw some in these countries.

Only thing you have in Mathew's defense is ONE TEST in England, that was played on a track Anderson called subcontinental.

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Please check Mathew's record outside subcontinent and then start bragging. And if Kohli's runs are pointless..then so are Sanga's, because you guys have a 100% loss record in all those Tests.
 
akki said:
chill boy u won ur first series there and it was only 2 match series which was very very close contest and even india was leading in first two matches in 5 match test series.we knw how gud sri lanka when dey recently toured india.and virat is world best batsman r8 now if u take all the formats combined.
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Haven't you noticed BOY, that Sri Lanka are the quickest SC team to win a series in Eng ? Btw, you couldn't even last full 3 days during last 3 tests. :)) In that recent tour of SL to India, SL did bad, but Mathews was the top scorer in that series.

Has kohli won anything for India ?? :))
 
McGarrett said:
Haven't you noticed BOY, that Sri Lanka are the quickest SC team to win a series in Eng ? Btw, you couldn't even last full 3 days during last 3 tests. :)) In that recent tour of SL to India, SL did bad, but Mathews was the top scorer in that series.

Has kohli won anything for India ?? :))
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:))

RP Singh has won India more matches abroad than all your Muralis and Chamindas combined. Doesn't prove him a better player, does it? All you have in Mathews defense is that one Test. Carry on bro. :D
 
Electron said:
LOl..so did your Sanga. All your matches he scored in were Sri Lanka losses. 100% loss record bro.

Kohli atleast is helping India draw some in these countries.

Only thing you have in Mathew's defense is ONE TEST in England, that was played on a track Anderson called subcontinental.
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So, now you are presenting false stats. :facepalm: Sanga's 100 in SA - our first test win in SA, Sanga's fighting 100 in Eng in 2011 helped us to draw that last match. Sanga's 150 in NZ helped us to draw the series, Sanga had an amzing tour of England last year - we won the series.
 
McGarrett said:
Haven't you noticed BOY, that Sri Lanka are the quickest SC team to win a series in Eng ? Btw, you couldn't even last full 3 days during last 3 tests. :)) In that recent tour of SL to India, SL did bad, but Mathews was the top scorer in that series.

Has kohli won anything for India ?? :))
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ask mallinga wat he has won for india and u didnt play last 3 test matches there so no point of comparing.just compare the first two matches of india with sri lanka first two test matches there.u want to troll den its not gudd idea for u and check the average of mathews and kohli in south africa,australia,new zealand ...dnt forever cry by taking only one series of mathews in england .
 
JaDed said:
I agree,but you can let it go once in a while too mate btw its a pretty weird comparison but nevertheless best of luck to both hope we have great encounters in the coming months.
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Its really hard to let some of these comments go unanswered coz there are so many Indian fans here and some of them really wanna erk the SL fans.
 
McGarrett said:
So, now you are presenting false stats. :facepalm: Sanga's 100 in SA - our first test win in SA, Sanga's fighting 100 in Eng in 2011 helped us to draw that last match. Sanga's 150 in NZ helped us to draw the series, Sanga had an amzing tour of England last year - we won the series.
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All Sanga innings in Australia (whole career) = LOSSES.
All of Sanga's scores in NZ this year = LOSSES.

Couldn't even help his team draw a match. Does that make the effort worthless? You must know that Kohli brought India in a winning position in the 1st test here, helped us draw 3rd Test. Helped us get to a winning position in South Africa and NZ.

Our bowlers threw the matches away, and that's not Kohli's fault. Being a Lankan fan, you must be the first one to admit this as a lot of good Sanga innings have gone in vain because of your bowlers.
 
akki said:
ask mallinga wat he has won for india and u didnt play last 3 test matches there so no point of comparing.just compare the first two matches of india with sri lanka first two test matches there.u want to troll den its not gudd idea for u and check the average of mathews and kohli in south africa,australia,new zealand ...dnt forever cry by taking only one series of mathews in england .
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Its you who are crying. not me. Let Mathews play again in Aus and SA. Then we will be able to see where they stand.
 
Electron said:
All Sanga innings in Australia (whole career) = LOSSES.
All of Sanga's scores in NZ this year = LOSSES.

Couldn't even help his team draw a match. Does that make the effort worthless? You must know that Kohli brought India in a winning position in the 1st test here, helped us draw 3rd Test. Helped us get to a winning position in South Africa and NZ.

Our bowlers threw the matches away, and that's not Kohli's fault. Being a Lankan fan, you must be the first one to admit this as a lot of good Sanga innings have gone in vain because of your bowlers.
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Our fielders dropped KW (who scored 248) 3 times too. If they had held on to those catches we could draw the series too, given the fact that once NZ were effectively 28/5 in the 2nd innings.
 
JaDed said:
Why is it so hard to respect two young players who are doing well , only in SC fans want to point out the superior.
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Just because one is considered superior to the other does not mean these players are disrespected. If you are going to play in front of a crowd, you are going to be judged relative to others. Why does ICC rank teams and players? Why bother to point out which teams and players are superior, why don't we all play sportively without any game result or rankings, no?
 
we indians have worst bowlers due to which v hav lost many tests or one dayers abroad which v shud hav won and there is no shame to admit that ,but ny one pointing our batsman being second to ny1 anywhere anytime is not acceptable .
 
What a Great Knock by the Sri Lankan Skipper again, could well be the series deciding knock.

Mathews has this knack of playing crucial knocks.
 
Virat is flashy. Angelo is substantative. I know who I'd choose in a hopeless situation, and it's not Kohli.
 
Angelo Matthews because
a) he is not arrogant
b) he is a team man
c) can bowl too and win you matches
d) likes to prove himself to everyone not like kohli who has nothing left to prove
e) he is not a show off
 
Make some asinine comments and then say prove me wrong. Kya baat hai

People are forgetting that Virat has 4 test 100s in his last 5 tests!

Mathews at the moment has a better batting average because of a much higher % of tests in Asia (~80%) whereas Kohli has played 60% of his tests outside Asia. With our home stretch of 12-13 tests, his average would definitely move up.

Where Angelo definitely scores over Virat is scoring runs with the tail.
 
cricketindiafan said:
Make some asinine comments and then say prove me wrong. Kya baat hai

People are forgetting that Virat has 4 test 100s in his last 5 tests!

Mathews at the moment has a better batting average because of a much higher % of tests in Asia (~80%) whereas Kohli has played 60% of his tests outside Asia. With our home stretch of 12-13 tests, his average would definitely move up.

Where Angelo definitely scores over Virat is scoring runs with the tail.
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Mathews doesn't get to play more than 2 match test series outside Asia whereas Kohli enjoys the comfort of 4-5 match test series.
 
Neferpitou said:
Mathews doesn't get to play more than 2 match test series outside Asia whereas Kohli enjoys the comfort of 4-5 match test series.
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Yep Angelo has that argument in his favor. But then you also have

80% tests in Asia vs 40% tests in Asia and at the end of a similar stage as Virat (34 tests), Angelo was averaging 44, had just 2 test 100s

Right now Angelo has a better test stats, but Virat's Test career is also on an upswing after the disaster in England
 
cricketindiafan said:
Make some asinine comments and then say prove me wrong. Kya baat hai

People are forgetting that Virat has 4 test 100s in his last 5 tests!

Mathews at the moment has a better batting average because of a much higher % of tests in Asia (~80%) whereas Kohli has played 60% of his tests outside Asia. With our home stretch of 12-13 tests, his average would definitely move up.

Where Angelo definitely scores over Virat is scoring runs with the tail.
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I am no Mathwes fan, but he has played so many crucial innings for his team. Scoring when no one else scores is the most difficult. Unlike Kohli has scored every run on batting tracks with other players also scoring a lot lot of run.

So far, Mathews is way ahead of Kohli.
 
Mobashir said:
I am no Mathwes fan, but he has played so many crucial innings for his team. Scoring when no one else scores is the most difficult. Unlike Kohli has scored every run on batting tracks with other players also scoring a lot lot of run.

So far, Mathews is way ahead of Kohli.
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You are talking to blind virat kohli fans mate. Its better to smash your head on the wall.
 
Mathews has been better, no doubt. But that doesn't warrant posters to dismiss Kohli. He has done justice in whatever opportunities he got.
 
Mobashir said:
I am no Mathwes fan, but he has played so many crucial innings for his team. Scoring when no one else scores is the most difficult. Unlike Kohli has scored every run on batting tracks with other players also scoring a lot lot of run.

So far, Mathews is way ahead of Kohli.
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Why dont you list down a few of them, preferably from before June 2014 (at that stage Angelo had same number of tests as Virat , 34)
 
SpinFan said:
Kohli is way better than Mathews. U shouldn't even compare these two batsman. One is a potential ATG while another one is an effective batsman with limited ability who can bowl a bit. Again, mathews is a very good cricketer but as a batsman kohli is in different league. It's like comparing VIVIAN RICHARD with IZAZ :)
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You're stretching now..
 
Matthews is horrible overseas.I think he averages 38 something outside asia.
His bowling is overrated as well.He is to fast bowling what Raina is to spinners :P
Lets not even talk about captaincy.

He is great at home like most good players today.Only noteworthy performance by him in his entire 6-7 year international career (all formats combined) is the England test series.

All these "pressure" knocks even Sarfaraz replicates every now and then.Doesn't mean he is as good as the best in the business :yk
 
Captain_Obvious said:
Matthews is horrible overseas.I think he averages 38 something outside asia.
His bowling is overrated as well.He is to fast bowling what Raina is to spinners :P
Lets not even talk about captaincy.

He is great at home like most good players today.Only noteworthy performance by him in his entire 6-7 year international career (all formats combined) is the England test series.

All these "pressure" knocks even Sarfaraz replicates every now and then.Doesn't mean he is as good as the best in the business :yk
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Match winning 160 at headingly?
 
Unfair comparison as Mathews is a quality batsman with almost twice as much international experience as Kohli. Kohli has some issues right now, and currently Mathews is definitely a superior batsman in my honest opinion but I expect by the end of his career Kohli will be rated far higher.
 
Sandeep said:
Mathews has been better, no doubt. But that doesn't warrant posters to dismiss Kohli. He has done justice in whatever opportunities he got.
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Kohli can move ahead if he performs att home in bara-tera(12-13) tests you have got, as of now Mathew is the man
 
Captain_Obvious said:
Matthews is horrible overseas.I think he averages 38 something outside asia.
His bowling is overrated as well.He is to fast bowling what Raina is to spinners :P
Lets not even talk about captaincy.

He is great at home like most good players today.Only noteworthy performance by him in his entire 6-7 year international career (all formats combined) is the England test series.

All these "pressure" knocks even Sarfaraz replicates every now and then.Doesn't mean he is as good as the best in the business :yk
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But Kohli avg outside asia is 40 while Mathews is 43.something :steyn
 
They are different batsmen in style and approach. Kohli is a strokemaker, Mathews is a grinder. In certain situations you would take the proactiveness and combativeness of Kohli. At other times you need Mathews' cool head and ability to absorb pressure. Kohli can't absorb pressure, his reaction to a few dot balls is to attack the bowler and dominate him, which is fair enough because Kohli nine times out of ten can be aggressive successfully. Mathews instead prefers to wait for the bowler to lose his patience first.

Generally, in test match cricket, especially if you have a fairly ordinary batting order, Mathews is the better bet.
 
SpinFan said:
Kohli is way better than Mathews. U shouldn't even compare these two batsman. One is a potential ATG while another one is an effective batsman with limited ability who can bowl a bit. Again, mathews is a very good cricketer but as a batsman kohli is in different league. It's like comparing VIVIAN RICHARD with IZAZ :)
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Viv and Ijaz is not a fair comparison. If Kohli is Viv, then Mathews is Border.
 
Kohli's record in England is unpardonable. That was the series he should have scored!!!

He averages 62 in Australia (8 tests), 68 in South Africa (2 tests) and 72 in New Zealand (2 tests)..

13 in England (5 tests) and 15 in WI (3 tests) :facepalm:
 
IndianWillow said:
Batting down the order is a weakness by itself. Why does he play late down the order, now that he is the captain and is supposed to be one of their best bats? He must feel that he would be exposed if he bats up the order.
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he bats at 5, kohli at 4... :facepalm:
 
So let's see:

Kohli made 130 runs in 10 innings in England because the ball moved around a little bit.

Mathews made all that and more in one innings at Headingly.

lol
 
filthyfulltoss said:
So let's see:

Kohli made 130 runs in 10 innings in England because the ball moved around a little bit.

Mathews made all that and more in one innings at Headingly.

lol
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Come back to me when Matthews scores 4 test hundreds in a single series against Australia in Australia.
 
filthyfulltoss said:
So let's see:

Kohli made 130 runs in 10 innings in England because the ball moved around a little bit.

Mathews made all that and more in one innings at Headingly.

lol
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So let's see

Number of test centuries by Kohli in Australia = 5

Number of test centuries by China made match winner , Mohammad yousuf , Younis khan , Mathews , Sanga and Mahela combined in Australia = 4

:))
 
An angry, fired up, chip on the shoulder Kohli >> Mathews
A laid back, going through the motions Kohli << Mathews. :))
 
Acricketfan said:
So let's see

Number of test centuries by Kohli in Australia = 5

Number of test centuries by China made match winner , Mohammad yousuf , Younis khan , Mathews , Sanga and Mahela combined in Australia = 4

:))
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None can dispute this. A better stat would be to examine in how many innings all these players made those 4 centuries. As for Kohli, I guess it took him 16 innings for 5 centuries..
 
Sandeep said:
None can dispute this. A better stat would be to examine in how many innings all these players made those 4 centuries. As for Kohli, I guess it took him 16 innings for 5 centuries..
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Kohli 5 hundreds in 16 innings = 3.2 innings per hundred

Those 6 batsmen hit 4 hundreds in 70 innings = 17.5 hundreds per innings

:)) :)))
 
Acricketfan said:
So let's see

Number of test centuries by Kohli in Australia = 5

Number of test centuries by China made match winner , Mohammad yousuf , Younis khan , Mathews , Sanga and Mahela combined in Australia = 4

:))
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Today I learned Johnson, Siddle, Lyon, etc = Warne, McGrath, Lee, etc
 
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