Another Partition?

[troodon]

No it was not Bharat but independent states not some union. Even if certain festivities were celebrated to the ends of the earth Allah put an end to it, right?

No! There are many differences in Hindu culture today according to different states. It is not one thing at all. Once again Islam is free of what the ancestors did as even the Prophet's ancestors were idolaters. I am glad my ancestors converted to Islam like did those from other countries as the truth of Islam convinced them ending falsehood. The Hindu God's could not change that or were happy to see it happen. You are right that being the truth Islam came last to correct other religions. Acknowledge what? I told you I don't give a damn what my ancestors believed. By "we" what is meant is Muslim's ruled over India.

Not really. There are still over a Billion Hindus in this world. 2 Billion Christians in this world and then a Billion Buddhists too. Not to forget millions of Sikhs, Jains, Jews etc.

 

[Snak3eye5]

For those thinking that India will go through a partition sometime in the future is laughable at best. If it didn’t happen right after partition, how are we so sure that its going to happen sometime in the future..

One only has to look at the 2004 prime minister election where a Christian Italian lady who won the prime minister election and then gave up the position she won to a Sikh man as Prime Minister who was sworn in by a muslim president to run a nation that has hindus as the majority. If that didn’t start a military coup or a mass riot of some kind, im not sure what will. One can see that in the last 20 years or so minorities continues to grow while surrounding countries, are having the opposite effect. There is also no such Myanmar/Rohingya crisis or any massive torture or discrimination of one group towards another in India.

Infact quite honestly one would think that with over 122 something languages, over 10 something religions and sub cultures, India should have self-destructed long time ago. The truth is that the majority believe in the “unity in diversity” theory which has been working well since independence. It has worked out as an advantage for the most part and I can go on and on since I had explained this a while back in another post… From day one an Indian sits in a school with other students who are usually speaking a different language, has a different religion and this brings about a sense of friendship which again helps them assimilate better when they leave the country. Case in point about about Indians who are ceo’s in multi billion dollar US companies..

 

[big_gamer007]

For those thinking that India will go through a partition sometime in the future is laughable at best. If it didn’t happen right after partition, how are we so sure that its going to happen sometime in the future..

One only has to look at the 2004 prime minister election where a Christian Italian lady who won the prime minister election and then gave up the position she won to a Sikh man as Prime Minister who was sworn in by a muslim president to run a nation that has hindus as the majority. If that didn’t start a military coup or a mass riot of some kind, im not sure what will. One can see that in the last 20 years or so minorities continues to grow while surrounding countries, are having the opposite effect. There is also no such Myanmar/Rohingya crisis or any massive torture or discrimination of one group towards another in India.

Infact quite honestly one would think that with over 122 something languages, over 10 something religions and sub cultures, India should have self-destructed long time ago. The truth is that the majority believe in the “unity in diversity” theory which has been working well since independence. It has worked out as an advantage for the most part and I can go on and on since I had explained this a while back in another post… From day one an Indian sits in a school with other students who are usually speaking a different language, has a different religion and this brings about a sense of friendship which again helps them assimilate better when they leave the country. Case in point about about Indians who are ceo’s in multi billion dollar US companies..

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[Snak3eye5]

Just trying to debate a point that a partition is going to occur or not. Masquerading as an Indian or not I challenge that if partition didn't happen in the last so many years then it won't happen now. Until something like a mass genicide happens towards one community or some unforeseen circumstance which I can't predict. Its not going to happen...Thiugh there will be some bad apples in every community the majority like the diversity and have no ill will/hatred towards the other.

 

[IndYeah1]

Partition does fudge-all in terms of providing rights or security to minorities. What did the first partition lead to? When you pander to one ethnic or religious or linguistic group, you set a bad precedent. To be blunt, even muslim minorities are not safe in a country that was expressly created for ensuring muslim rights. And we all know what happened to Bengali muslims. And what's happening in the current census that's 20 years overdue.

The only way to protect and provide for all citizens, across all faiths and ethnicities, is to have a legal and government system that is strictly neutral and fair to all. And keep working hard to ensure that the actual implementation of the rules are as professional and correct as possible to the letter and the spirit of the laws.

That's really the only way.


No need to go back in time, and question the viability or logic of the "divorce" that happened in 1947. But to repeat that stupidity in today's era is foolish.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Urdu speaking muslims can go to Pakistan and Bengali Speaking muslims like OP can go to Bangladesh, rest can stay put. Please take Gujarati and Mumbai muslims along with you. We don't seem to have problem with anywhere else.

 

[PakLFC]

Not really. There are still over a Billion Hindus in this world. 2 Billion Christians in this world and then a Billion Buddhists too. Not to forget millions of Sikhs, Jains, Jews etc.

I did not say other religions do not have the right to exist. What I meant in the part that you highlighted was Islam greatly replaced other religions around the world. Most Muslim's not only Pakistanis do have non Muslim ancestors so why pick on us? Arab's have non Muslim ancestors and Christians and Jews also have non Christian and non Jewish ancestors. The Buddhists, Sikhs and Christians of the subcontinent according to you also had Hindu ancestors yet down the line their offspring left Hinduism as well. Deal with it!

 

[Muhammad10]

Stay on topic. This is not a thread for religious arguments.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Since the Rohingya crisis has brought out divisions within the indian society again, it looks like Partition 2.0 would not be a bad idea. The hindu homeland could stay guilt free as the Rohingyas would not be their responsibility. Their responsibility would be tibetans and hindus. While the new muslim nation could help on its own, instead of petitioning the govt and holding rallies. Win win for both.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Was at a party today and gave this theory, when people asked me to stop, as they were getting creeped out.

1919: British passed the rowlatt act. Huge protests. Lot of muslim participation due to Khilafat movement
2019: Parliament passed a series of acts culminating in huge protests, muslims being the most visible face.

1919: Jallianwala Bagh Massacre
2019: No massacre, but police and goons beat up students inside universities. Jallianwala to Jamia/JNU

1920s: Hindu Muslim riots. Awakening of Hindus and Muslims as separate qaums.
2020s: Will we see the worst relations between these two incompatible people in post independence India?

1910s: Emergence of Q-e-A. Barrister who studied in London and joined Lincoln's Inn. A nationalist and ambassador of hindu muslim unity. Finally seeing that it is futile and forming a homeland for indian muslims.
2010s: Emergence of Asaddudin Owaisi. Barrister for Lincoln's Inn, London. A nationalist and a secularist. Fighting against hindu and muslim extremism. Will he emerge as the new quaid?

1947: Partition.
2047: Partition 2.0?

 

[WebGuru]

Was at a party today and gave this theory, when people asked me to stop, as they were getting creeped out.

1919: British passed the rowlatt act. Huge protests. Lot of muslim participation due to Khilafat movement
2019: Parliament passed a series of acts culminating in huge protests, muslims being the most visible face.

1919: Jallianwala Bagh Massacre
2019: No massacre, but police and goons beat up students inside universities. Jallianwala to Jamia/JNU

1920s: Hindu Muslim riots. Awakening of Hindus and Muslims as separate qaums.
2020s: Will we see the worst relations between these two incompatible people in post independence India?

1910s: Emergence of Q-e-A. Barrister who studied in London and joined Lincoln's Inn. A nationalist and ambassador of hindu muslim unity. Finally seeing that it is futile and forming a homeland for indian muslims.
2010s: Emergence of Asaddudin Owaisi. Barrister for Lincoln's Inn, London. A nationalist and a secularist. Fighting against hindu and muslim extremism. Will he emerge as the new quaid?

1947: Partition.
2047: Partition 2.0?

Now just Allama Iqbal is missing from this scenario...

 

[CricketCartoons]

Now just Allama Iqbal is missing from this scenario...

Partition 2.0 might not be the exact replica of the original one. As long as there is enough motive and a critical mass in support, it is possible.

I hope you are not being frivolous as this is a serious topic and I demand only serious comments.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Partition will happen imo. However by then 95 percent of worlds population would have settled in planet MARS...

 

[Stewie]

Partition 2.0 might not be the exact replica of the original one. As long as there is enough motive and a critical mass in support, it is possible.

I hope you are not being frivolous as this is a serious topic and I demand only serious comments.

You have a valid argument. I would have said this was not an issue 5/6 years ago because I saw much harmony and unity in India despite the obvious differences between Hindus and Muslims. But it seems lately they have become much more pronounced and it’s affecting other people (ethnicities/religions/ sects) etc..

 

[CricketCartoons]

You have a valid argument. I would have said this was not an issue 5/6 years ago because I saw much harmony and unity in India despite the obvious differences between Hindus and Muslims. But it seems lately they have become much more pronounced and it’s affecting other people (ethnicities/religions/ sects) etc..

Maybe the curse of the K word. Some muslims I interacted with told me... but we supported the government for the K move, but then they did this, and then that, and now we don't trust them anymore.

 

[Stewie]

Maybe.. I think the Modi govt has shot their nation in their own foot with their recent moves. You cannot suppress people with force no matter how you justified you feel. History is witness to that. There will be dissent and disunity.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Maybe.. I think the Modi govt has shot their nation in their own foot with their recent moves. You cannot suppress people with force no matter how you justified you feel. History is witness to that. There will be dissent and disunity.

Modi govt may just be the trigger. Everything was leading up to it by the actions of past govts.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Was at a party today and gave this theory, when people asked me to stop, as they were getting creeped out.

1919: British passed the rowlatt act. Huge protests. Lot of muslim participation due to Khilafat movement
2019: Parliament passed a series of acts culminating in huge protests, muslims being the most visible face.

1919: Jallianwala Bagh Massacre
2019: No massacre, but police and goons beat up students inside universities. Jallianwala to Jamia/JNU

1920s: Hindu Muslim riots. Awakening of Hindus and Muslims as separate qaums.
2020s: Will we see the worst relations between these two incompatible people in post independence India?

1910s: Emergence of Q-e-A. Barrister who studied in London and joined Lincoln's Inn. A nationalist and ambassador of hindu muslim unity. Finally seeing that it is futile and forming a homeland for indian muslims.
2010s: Emergence of Asaddudin Owaisi. Barrister for Lincoln's Inn, London. A nationalist and a secularist. Fighting against hindu and muslim extremism. Will he emerge as the new quaid?

1947: Partition.
2047: Partition 2.0?

Only that there is no Nehru to sign on this.

 

[kaayal]

Maybe the curse of the K word. Some muslims I interacted with told me... but we supported the government for the K move, but then they did this, and then that, and now we don't trust them anymore.

True. I felt the same.

 

[CricketCartoons]

True. I felt the same.

In my previous posts I had mentioned two muslim sisters, whom I befriended when I was posted in lucknow. Disco going, drinking, highly educated, over 500 instagram followers and dating hindus (very good characters btw). And when their internet was suspended suddenly they developed sympathy for K after earlier supporting govt on it.

 

[kaayal]

In my previous posts I had mentioned two muslim sisters, whom I befriended when I was posted in lucknow. Disco going, drinking, highly educated, over 500 instagram followers and dating hindus (very good characters btw). And when their internet was suspended suddenly they developed sympathy for K after earlier supporting govt on it.

Whether we support anything or not is not a matter anymore tbh. Nobody cares about what we say.

Even if we try to support a genuine cause, it will be twisted according to their needs.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Whether we support anything or not is not a matter anymore tbh. Nobody cares about what we say.

Even if we try to support a genuine cause, it will be twisted according to their needs.

Protesting against CAA is not a genuine cause. Protesting against NRC has merit, but it was premature. The message was twisted by the protestors themselves, they were protesting for their own interests, but hiding it behind the idea of fight for saving constitution and secularism, which is not true.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Whether we support anything or not is not a matter anymore tbh. Nobody cares about what we say.

Even if we try to support a genuine cause, it will be twisted according to their needs.

Sister, is the issue CAA or NRC?

Is the issue giving giving minorities from Pak BD citizenship and not giving muslims citizenship.

Or

Is the issue the fear that Indian citizens may lose citizenship wrongly?

 

[kaayal]

Protesting against CAA is not a genuine cause. Protesting against NRC has merit, but it was premature. The message was twisted by the protestors themselves, they were protesting for their own interests, but hiding it behind the idea of fight for saving constitution and secularism, which is not true.

Almost all protests is against CAA+NRC. Premature really?? Many of the poor ones are really scared and you are saying we should react when they actually lose their citizenship? We can expect anything from this government, they may start this NRC overnight like the demo. I know there is a constitutional process and all but with the majority and Amit shah controlling everything, nothing can be ruled out.

 

[kaayal]

Sister, is the issue CAA or NRC?

Is the issue giving giving minorities from Pak BD citizenship and not giving muslims citizenship.

Or

Is the issue the fear that Indian citizens may lose citizenship wrongly?

The bolded one.

 

[Stewie]

The issue was never with external immigrants coming in illegally.. there is a widespread belief amongst Indian Muslims and of course pakistanis that CAB and NRC is a way to deny impoverished Muslims the right to vote and take their property. They are being subjected to interrogation and have to prove they are indians and that will create deep divides or deepens existing divisions amongst Indians.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Almost all protests is against CAA+NRC. Premature really?? Many of the poor ones are really scared and you are saying we should react when they actually lose their citizenship? We can expect anything from this government, they may start this NRC overnight like the demo. I know there is a constitutional process and all but with the majority and Amit shah controlling everything, nothing can be ruled out.

React when the NRC is tabled in the parliament. BJP doesn't have majority in upper house. Even its allies have reservations against NRC.

Also there should not be any pretence about saving the constitution or secularism. The concern about losing citizenship was valid reason in itself.