Anti-PTI vs pro-PTI!

[Mamoon]

lmao credit to PTI supporters they stuck to supporting IK from long and IK is in power and destroyed PML and PPP seems to be fizzling as well.

This was a period when PTI had credibility and a had a genuine manifesto. This was also the period when Imran Khan had some sanity left.

Over the next 7 years, PTI supporters left the party while Imran cult-followers stayed loyal.

 

[Syed1]

This was a period when PTI had credibility and a had a genuine manifesto. This was also the period when Imran Khan had some sanity left.

Over the next 7 years, PTI supporters left the party while Imran cult-followers stayed loyal.

Lol PTI just won an election 1.5 years ago where 17 million Pakistanis voted for them, highest ever received by any party.... And they will win again 3.5 years from now. All you can do is cry.

Ro patwari ro.... Inshallah you will continue suffering through more misery and depression

 

[uberkoen]

Lol PTI just won an election 1.5 years ago where 17 million Pakistanis voted for them, highest ever received by any party.... And they will win again 3.5 years from now. All you can do is cry.

Ro patwari ro.... Inshallah you will continue suffering through more misery and depression

Why would you wish misery and depression on someone just because they hold a different political view than you? That's extremely sad.

 

[JaDed]

This was a period when PTI had credibility and a had a genuine manifesto. This was also the period when Imran Khan had some sanity left.

Over the next 7 years, PTI supporters left the party while Imran cult-followers stayed loyal.

Well even if it was look at how its the same posters that are against PTI even then.. so nothing changed.. I understand you would give yours as an example but just saying..

 

[Waleed93]

This was a period when PTI had credibility and a had a genuine manifesto. This was also the period when Imran Khan had some sanity left.

Over the next 7 years, PTI supporters left the party while Imran cult-followers stayed loyal.

You forgot one thing. That was also the period when you didn't know that Imran's election would bring political and "family" corruption to an end.

 

[Waseem]

To be honest Imran Khan is the key difference otherwise our political leadership is extremely hopeless, corrupt and incompetent. Unless you are as stubborn as Imran Khan, average honest person can't survive for too long.

Although Imran Khan has introduced quite a few young faces in politics, i sincerely hope he could make PTI a real democratic party before his retirement otherwise we will get stuck with Sharif, Zardari, Asfandyar, Fazlu Rehman dynasties. This is one reason it's PTI vs Anti PTI because most anti PTI parties are struggling to empower their next generations to rule Pakistan (instead of so called fight for democracy).

 

[FreePalestine]

Nothing happens overnight, but IK still has to prove himself... there has not been enough time to fully assess how well he has done.

Although I am not an economist, it seems that import reduction, in itself, is not a massive achievement. The harder thing to do now is to stimulate growth. Actually, development funds for the provinces have been severely cut, the slowing growth rate means higher unemployment, inflation means cost of living for the poor is becoming very, very high. In all, so far, his tenure would have seen a huge increase in poverty, I imagine, as this will follow from all the above.

Furthermore, he has had to make a lot of compromises in power in terms of press freedom, military appointments to political positions, catering to the old guard of Pak politics, selective accountability (there are corrupt people in PTI who do not get picked up by NAB), extreme austerity, which is directly against the idea of a ‘welfare state’; has not yet been able to take on sugar barons, corporate mafias, even the Punjab police.

PTI supporters will argue that much of this pain had to be inflicted on the people because of the mess left by previous governments. Previous governments will say that PTI are inept at administration. There is probably some truth to both these claims.

Instead of being ‘pro’ or ‘anti’, I would like to see whether this government can actually stimulate growth now in the next two years, which is a huge challenge, and whether they will actually find money to invest in a system (rather than ad-hoc initiatives) for genuine human development in the country.

The challenges this government faces are steep, and several threats, rising oil prices or an escalation in the conflict with parosis, could knock our progress off very easily. We are having to compromise a lot on our sovereignty by relying on foreign investment, CPEC and the IMF to shore up our falling reserves and pay off huge interest on loans. These things do not come for free. For example, it looks like China has basically brought telecoms services in Pakistan for a pittance. This is a huge industry for security and surveillance. The IMF have forced Pakistan to sell bonds at double-digit interest rates - what happens when these bonds come to maturity? So we are going to be beholden to a lot of different countries and financial institutions for a long period now.

All this seems to me to suggest that Imran Khan still has a long way to go and the path is anything but certain.

The only question I don’t think anyone can provide a credible answer for - if not him, then who? Some might say PML-N because they stood up to the army, but do they really believe that the Sharifs will not compromise with the army once in power? Plus he is old and has been tainted by years of corruption and underperformance. Others may say that there are genuine popular movements like PTM being suppressed, but realistically, the Pakistani establishment will never allow a party with a fervently anti-army, separatist ideology to come to power. So the question still stands - if not PTI, then who?

 

[Mamoon]

You forgot one thing. That was also the period when you didn't know that Imran's election would bring political and "family" corruption to an end.

Yes that is why Nawaz walked out of the country without paying a penny. Moreover, family politics and corruption are rampant in PTI as well, but everything is halal if it happens under the umbrella of PTI.

Imran has not brought an end to anything by imposing the most incompetent and clueless bunch of steaming garbage politicians and street urchins on the public of Pakistan.

However, even the darkest of clouds have a silver-lining. This too shall pass.

 

[Waleed93]

Yes that is why Nawaz walked out of the country without paying a penny. Moreover, family politics and corruption are rampant in PTI as well, but everything is halal if it happens under the umbrella of PTI.

Imran has not brought an end to anything by imposing the most incompetent and clueless bunch of steaming garbage politicians and street urchins on the public of Pakistan.

However, even the darkest of clouds have a silver-lining. This too shall pass.

Imran and his party have a lot of work to do. So far, they have been good in some aspects, and poor in some. Imran himself knows to an extent he has a huge amount of work with too many people being imcompetent.

Nawaz walking out of Pakistan has nothing to do with the fact that Imran has literally destroyed his political career in the space of a couple of years, making it almost impossible for him or his daughter to become PM one day.

Similarly, he has ended Zardari's political career as well, and only delusional people like you can see Bilawal as some kind of future leader.

Moreover, family corruption is not limited to Nawaz or Zardari. The fact that Imran has successfully managed to bring an end to their corruption is something their supporters can't digest as their corruption was a source of income for them and their families.

 

[Mamoon]

Imran and his party have a lot of work to do. So far, they have been good in some aspects, and poor in some. Imran himself knows to an extent he has a huge amount of work with too many people being imcompetent.

Nawaz walking out of Pakistan has nothing to do with the fact that Imran has literally destroyed his political career in the space of a couple of years, making it almost impossible for him or his daughter to become PM one day.

Similarly, he has ended Zardari's political career as well, and only delusional people like you can see Bilawal as some kind of future leader.

Moreover, family corruption is not limited to Nawaz or Zardari. The fact that Imran has successfully managed to bring an end to their corruption is something their supporters can't digest as their corruption was a source of income for them and their families.

The political careers of Nawaz and Zardari were coming to an end anyway. They are old, sick men.

You are delusional if you think Maryam and Bilawal do not have big futures. Two months back, you would have called me delusional if I had told you that Nawaz would walk out of jail without paying a penny.

The reality is slowly but surely dawning on Imran Khan and PTI. The reality checks will keep coming one after the other.

Anyway, let’s not talk about corruption. The biggest financier of Imran Khan’s dharnas and his election campaigns was Jahangir Tareen, a certified fraud and crook who has been barred by the Supreme Court from holding public office because of his dishonesty (the literal words of Supreme Court’s verdict).

He used his black money to fly Imran on his planes, finance his dharnas, his election campaign and buy the loyalties of independent candidates. In addition, his 22 year old son is now using that black money to buy the Multan franchise in PSL.

Imran’s anti-corruption stance is a joke. It is a smoke screen. He only has a problem with corruption when it is done by people who are not his party members.

Besides, apart from being a beneficiary of Jahangir Tareen’s black money, Imran himself has not descended from the heavens. He has been running from his foreign funding case for 5 years now and PTI have demanded secrecy in investigations. If he and his party have nothing to hide, why are they running and why are they demanding secrecy?

You only demand secrecy when you have things to hide. If you are clean and transparent, you would come out in the open to solidify the claim that you are honest. Imran is not doing it because he knows that he will be exposed.

 

[Bewal Express]

The political careers of Nawaz and Zardari were coming to an end anyway. They are old, sick men.


You are delusional if you think Maryam and Bilawal do not have big futures. Two months back, you would have called me delusional if I had told you that Nawaz would walk out of jail without paying a penny.

The reality is slowly but surely dawning on Imran Khan and PTI. The reality checks will keep coming one after the other.

Anyway, let’s not talk about corruption. The biggest financier of Imran Khan’s dharnas and his election campaigns was Jahangir Tareen, a certified fraud and crook who has been barred by the Supreme Court from holding public office because of his dishonesty (the literal words of Supreme Court’s verdict).

He used his black money to fly Imran on his planes, finance his dharnas, his election campaign and buy the loyalties of independent candidates. In addition, his 22 year old son is now using that black money to buy the Multan franchise in PSL.

Imran’s anti-corruption stance is a joke. It is a smoke screen. He only has a problem with corruption when it is done by people who are not his party members.

Besides, apart from being a beneficiary of Jahangir Tareen’s black money, Imran himself has not descended from the heavens. He has been running from his foreign funding case for 5 years now and PTI have demanded secrecy in investigations. If he and his party have nothing to hide, why are they running and why are they demanding secrecy?

You only demand secrecy when you have things to hide. If you are clean and transparent, you would come out in the open to solidify the claim that you are honest. Imran is not doing it because he knows that he will be exposed.

I see you haven't had the courage to come on the economic thread to reply to my question.


As you ran from the other thread, tell us on which merit based policy are Billo and Maryam going to lead political parties. They have never done a day's work, one is a convicted fraudster and the other has helped to fleece a trillion rupees from the poor of Sindh who have put so much faith in him.
Party Funding-I know you also ran from this, there is a theme emerging here, but can you explain what happened when the Nooras and PPP were asked about their funding? Here is a hint, the Nooras produced an A4 sheet( yes you read right) and Billo said you have no authority to ask us. Another total humiliation for you after you have blabbered on about it for ages.

 

[Bewal Express]

Yes that is why Nawaz walked out of the country without paying a penny. Moreover, family politics and corruption are rampant in PTI as well, but everything is halal if it happens under the umbrella of PTI.

Imran has not brought an end to anything by imposing the most incompetent and clueless bunch of steaming garbage politicians and street urchins on the public of Pakistan.

However, even the darkest of clouds have a silver-lining. This too shall pass.

So if a boxer runs out of the ring and away from a fight, does he or his opponent get humiliated? It has to be and there is a lot to chose, one of your greatest gems. Its interesting that the Nooras and the PPP opposed the FATF legislation in parliament, "leader of the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Syed Naveed Qamar termed the bill against the fundamental rights of the citizens of Pakistan, claiming that after passage of the bill, the government would be able to seek information from foreign countries" which citizens hold Foreign accounts and have something to worry about?

 

[Waleed93]

The political careers of Nawaz and Zardari were coming to an end anyway. They are old, sick men.

You are delusional if you think Maryam and Bilawal do not have big futures. Two months back, you would have called me delusional if I had told you that Nawaz would walk out of jail without paying a penny.

The reality is slowly but surely dawning on Imran Khan and PTI. The reality checks will keep coming one after the other.

Anyway, let’s not talk about corruption. The biggest financier of Imran Khan’s dharnas and his election campaigns was Jahangir Tareen, a certified fraud and crook who has been barred by the Supreme Court from holding public office because of his dishonesty (the literal words of Supreme Court’s verdict).

He used his black money to fly Imran on his planes, finance his dharnas, his election campaign and buy the loyalties of independent candidates. In addition, his 22 year old son is now using that black money to buy the Multan franchise in PSL.

Imran’s anti-corruption stance is a joke. It is a smoke screen. He only has a problem with corruption when it is done by people who are not his party members.

Besides, apart from being a beneficiary of Jahangir Tareen’s black money, Imran himself has not descended from the heavens. He has been running from his foreign funding case for 5 years now and PTI have demanded secrecy in investigations. If he and his party have nothing to hide, why are they running and why are they demanding secrecy?

You only demand secrecy when you have things to hide. If you are clean and transparent, you would come out in the open to solidify the claim that you are honest. Imran is not doing it because he knows that he will be exposed.

One must be extremely naive to think that Nawaz and Zardari are actually sick.

Bilawal and Maryam both have no futures as PMs. Maryam has already been disqualified with her father. Bilawal is the same man who doesn't have the balls to call out for a proper investigation of his mother's death. Instead of calling for a proper inquiry, he chooses the easy route and blames Musharraf all the time, even if he knows who turned out to be the biggest beneficiary of his mother's assasination.

He has never ever worked in his entire life, he is basically the leader of a political party thanks to his surname just like Maryam, and everyone knows that he was, and he still is living in his father's shadow, and he is forever destined to stay there.

Jahangir Tareen has been disqualified by the Supreme Court for corruption cases, just like Nawaz, Zardari, Maryam and her husband. The difference is that he no longer holds any kind of political position in Imran's party, whereas Nawaz is still called the "president" of the PMLN, and Maryam a PMLN "leader" despite both of them being disqualified for 7 and 10 years respectively.

 

[Mamoon]

I see you haven't had the courage to come on the economic thread to reply to my question.

I ignored your question because it was stupid. The problem with Youthopian logic is that they believe that a country’s economy is just like the financial position of a company. That is what they advertised Asad Umar as a financial genius and the solution to Pakistan’s economic woes because of his performance at an MNC, but PTI got a reality check when he was clueless at running the economy of a country and was thus booted out within 8 months.

As a result, Imran Khan had to take another U-turn and hire a former PPP finance minister as his financial advisor. We are told that PPP was extremely corrupt, so what is its financial minister doing in PTI. According to Youthopian logic, as finance minister, was he unaware of the corruption that was going on in PPP government? Was he not complicit?

If he is a man of honesty and integrity, why didn’t he prove to be a whistleblower and why didn’t he resign to avoid facilitating the corruption?

If the Youthopian excuse is that he was unaware of the corruption and the money laundering, then what sort of a finance minister is he? Why was he clueless when his own president was stealing and laundering money?

As you ran from the other thread, tell us on which merit based policy are Billo and Maryam going to lead political parties. They have never done a day's work, one is a convicted fraudster and the other has helped to fleece a trillion rupees from the poor of Sindh who have put so much faith in him.

You do not need to have any particular expertise to be a PM because it is an administrative position. He is basically a manager who employees qualified people in different departments and represents his government at the international level. Hence, both Bilawal and Maryam are qualified for this job, but they are definitely not qualified to the finance ministers or the minister of science and technology for example.

Similarly, Imran is also qualified to be the PM even though he has no academic credentials. He was an average student throughout his life and got into Oxford on a sports seat and barely clearly his exams. During his time at Oxford, his class fellows used to call him “Im the Dim”, because he was clueless in the classroom but brilliant on the cricket pitch.

To be a political leader in Pakistan you need two things: (1) family name and/or (2)fame.

Bilawal and Maryam have the former but Imran had the latter because of his legendary cricket career that he capitalized in politics. A common man cannot rise to the top in Pakistani politics. Someone like Modi would still be selling tea if he wasn’t in India.

Party Funding-I know you also ran from this, there is a theme emerging here, but can you explain what happened when the Nooras and PPP were asked about their funding? Here is a hint, the Nooras produced an A4 sheet( yes you read right) and Billo said you have no authority to ask us. Another total humiliation for you after you have blabbered on about it for ages.

But we are told by cult-followers that PPP and PMLN are corrupt while Imran is an angel who has been spent from the heavens. Hence, it is no surprise that PPP and PMLN were unable to produce satisfactory evidence to prove their funding.

However, since Imran is an angel sent from the heavens whose honesty and integrity cannot be challenged, why is he running from the foreign funding case and why is his party demanding secrecy in investigations? An honest man will never allow his name to be maligned and will never allow people to accuse him. However, since Imran is trying to put a lid on it, it is clear that he is skeletons in the closet.

Now before you predictably ask me why the opposition is not pursuing this case against him, remember there is a time and place for everything. This foreign funding case will get mainstream attention when the military wants. Just like they protected Nawaz and Zardari for years, they are now protecting Imran. however, once they have enough of him, they will use the foreign funding to dispose him.

However, Imran calls himself honest so why doesn’t this honest man clear the allegations and strengthen the conviction that he is honest? Well because he is not.

 

[Mamoon]

So if a boxer runs out of the ring and away from a fight, does he or his opponent get humiliated? It has to be and there is a lot to chose, one of your greatest gems. Its interesting that the Nooras and the PPP opposed the FATF legislation in parliament, "leader of the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Syed Naveed Qamar termed the bill against the fundamental rights of the citizens of Pakistan, claiming that after passage of the bill, the government would be able to seek information from foreign countries" which citizens hold Foreign accounts and have something to worry about?

Boxer A (Imran) claims that he will not allow Boxer B (Nawaz) to leave the ring and the referee (military) is apparently on his side as well. Boxer A continues to mock Boxer B and promises his fans that he will not allow him to leave the ring.

However, Boxer B makes a deal with the referee who allows him to leave the ring much to the agitation and disappointment of Boxer A who has been made to look weak and powerless.

Imran’s promise of accountability and justice has been nuked because of the fact that Nawaz was allowed to leave the country without paying a penny. The same Nawaz who was rotting in his prison cell is now in London. Is this justice?

Two weeks before Nawaz left, Imran was mocking him and asking his supporters if he should allow him to have an AC in his prison cell or not. However, within two weeks, Imran was left helpless and it was proved that he does not have the authority to deliver justice.

Because of the desperation and the attempts to coverup the humiliation, the paid PTI media stooges quickly invented the $12 billion story but unfortunately they could not sustain it. Ultimately, Imran was left red-faced when Nawaz left the country without paying a rupee.

Now you will ask if me if Imran is a puppet or a dictator because he cannot be both. I agree with you and I have no qualms in acknowledging that I overestimated his power when I called him a dictator at the beginning of his tenure as PM. I was under the misapprehension that when he comes into power, he would try to preserve civil supremacy and will prove to be the first leader since Z. Bhutto to try and keep the military power in check.

However, his shameless U-turn on Musharraf, his shameless U-turn on COAS extension and the way Nawaz left the country clearly proved that he is nothing more than a puppet and the real dictator is still the military establishment. That is why nothing will change for Pakistan and why it will continue to have zero credibility.

 

[Mamoon]

One must be extremely naive to think that Nawaz and Zardari are actually sick.

Bilawal and Maryam both have no futures as PMs. Maryam has already been disqualified with her father. Bilawal is the same man who doesn't have the balls to call out for a proper investigation of his mother's death. Instead of calling for a proper inquiry, he chooses the easy route and blames Musharraf all the time, even if he knows who turned out to be the biggest beneficiary of his mother's assasination.

He has never ever worked in his entire life, he is basically the leader of a political party thanks to his surname just like Maryam, and everyone knows that he was, and he still is living in his father's shadow, and he is forever destined to stay there.

Jahangir Tareen has been disqualified by the Supreme Court for corruption cases, just like Nawaz, Zardari, Maryam and her husband. The difference is that he no longer holds any kind of political position in Imran's party, whereas Nawaz is still called the "president" of the PMLN, and Maryam a PMLN "leader" despite both of them being disqualified for 7 and 10 years respectively.

One has to be a master of Youthopian logic to believe that Nawaz and Zardari are healthy stallions. PTI’s own appointed medical team confirmed Nawaz’s deteriorated health.

But what else can one expect from masters of Youthopian logic. They also claimed that Kulsoom Nawaz was faking her disease until they were humiliated when she eventually died because of that disease.

However, it is a different matter that Nawaz decided to slap Imran and his supporters in the face by walking into the plane without a stretcher or a wheelchair. He knew that PTI and its supporters would pick on that and claim that he is faking it, but he made a very clear point - the criticism of PTI and its supporters means nothing to him. He should Imran and PTI their
worth.

Both Bilawal and Maryam will have political futures if they military backs them in the future and they will. Let’s not talk about how Bilawal became the leader of his political party thanks to XYZ reasons.

As I explained to Bewal above, in Pakistan, you can be a political leader because of two reasons only: family name and popularity/influence. That is why unlike in India, a common man cannot hope to reach the top of politics.

Bilawal is where he is today because of his family and that is true, but Imran is also a Prime Minister because he capitalized on his glorious cricket career. Without his status as the most revered cricketer in Pakistan’s history, he wouldn’t have been able to make an impact in politics.

Also, I know that PTI supporters do not have any decency and morality left, but please try to have a shred of decency and not call Bilawal a beneficiary of his mother’s assassination.

No son can ever benefit from his mother’s assassination. It is one of the most painful and heartbreaking experience any son can have in his life. At the end of the day, Bilawal is a human and has emotions. No matter what, Benazir was still his mother.

Would it be appropriate for me to say that Imran also benefited from his mother’s cancer because it helped him establish the SKMH which has greatly boosted his political career?

You should be ashamed of making that point. The fact that you could even think along those lines illustrates how much poison and disgusting hatred Imran has injected in our society and how dangerous his cult-following is.

I don’t think you deserve any further replies after what you said, but I will touch on the Jahangir Tareen point anyway.

PTI used Jahangir Tareen’s money to buy the loyalties of independent candidates after he was disqualified. How is that justified?

Why is his son investing in PSL? Where is the money coming from? He is 22 and only graduated a year or so back. Where did he find the millions to invest in PSL? Of course it is his father’s black money.

As close associate, do you think Imran was unaware of Jahangir Tareen’s sugar mill scam when was using his black money to fund his election campaign, dharnas and to zoom around the country? So can we conclude that Imran is a beneficiary of corruption and that his election campaign was haraam?

Jahangir Tareen is still a very prominent member of PTI in spite of not holding public office. Why didn’t Imran oust him from the party altogether after the verdict of the Supreme Court?

As I said, this whole corruption nonsense is a smoke-screen. Imran himself is a beneficiary of corruption and does not have any problem with it as long as the corruption is done by his friends. He is a con-artist and the biggest fake this country has ever seen.

 

[Bewal Express]

Boxer A (Imran) claims that he will not allow Boxer B (Nawaz) to leave the ring and the referee (military) is apparently on his side as well. Boxer A continues to mock Boxer B and promises his fans that he will not allow him to leave the ring.

However, Boxer B makes a deal with the referee who allows him to leave the ring much to the agitation and disappointment of Boxer A who has been made to look weak and powerless.

Imran’s promise of accountability and justice has been nuked because of the fact that Nawaz was allowed to leave the country without paying a penny. The same Nawaz who was rotting in his prison cell is now in London. Is this justice?

Two weeks before Nawaz left, Imran was mocking him and asking his supporters if he should allow him to have an AC in his prison cell or not. However, within two weeks, Imran was left helpless and it was proved that he does not have the authority to deliver justice.

Because of the desperation and the attempts to coverup the humiliation, the paid PTI media stooges quickly invented the $12 billion story but unfortunately they could not sustain it. Ultimately, Imran was left red-faced when Nawaz left the country without paying a rupee.

Now you will ask if me if Imran is a puppet or a dictator because he cannot be both. I agree with you and I have no qualms in acknowledging that I overestimated his power when I called him a dictator at the beginning of his tenure as PM. I was under the misapprehension that when he comes into power, he would try to preserve civil supremacy and will prove to be the first leader since Z. Bhutto to try and keep the military power in check.

However, his shameless U-turn on Musharraf, his shameless U-turn on COAS extension and the way Nawaz left the country clearly proved that he is nothing more than a puppet and the real dictator is still the military establishment. That is why nothing will change for Pakistan and why it will continue to have zero credibility.

But didnt boxer B say that he would rather die than leave the ring? And then boxer B runs like the scary cat that he is, apparently humiliating his opponent as he did it! it makes me chuckle every time i read it.

So another humiliating Uturn from you, IK is not a dictator! That was quick, and you are not even a politician that has to deal with complex asymmetrical issues. What a humiliation and lets be honest, it happens everyday for you. It was only last week you told us that it wasnt NS that made the decision, and then a day later you ran again after you discovered it was him. Anyone with an ounce of credibility would be too embarrassed to post, but not in your case.

 

[Waleed93]

One has to be a master of Youthopian logic to believe that Nawaz and Zardari are healthy stallions. PTI’s own appointed medical team confirmed Nawaz’s deteriorated health.

But what else can one expect from masters of Youthopian logic. They also claimed that Kulsoom Nawaz was faking her disease until they were humiliated when she eventually died because of that disease.

However, it is a different matter that Nawaz decided to slap Imran and his supporters in the face by walking into the plane without a stretcher or a wheelchair. He knew that PTI and its supporters would pick on that and claim that he is faking it, but he made a very clear point - the criticism of PTI and its supporters means nothing to him. He should Imran and PTI their
worth.

Both Bilawal and Maryam will have political futures if they military backs them in the future and they will. Let’s not talk about how Bilawal became the leader of his political party thanks to XYZ reasons.

As I explained to Bewal above, in Pakistan, you can be a political leader because of two reasons only: family name and popularity/influence. That is why unlike in India, a common man cannot hope to reach the top of politics.

Bilawal is where he is today because of his family and that is true, but Imran is also a Prime Minister because he capitalized on his glorious cricket career. Without his status as the most revered cricketer in Pakistan’s history, he wouldn’t have been able to make an impact in politics.

Also, I know that PTI supporters do not have any decency and morality left, but please try to have a shred of decency and not call Bilawal a beneficiary of his mother’s assassination.

No son can ever benefit from his mother’s assassination. It is one of the most painful and heartbreaking experience any son can have in his life. At the end of the day, Bilawal is a human and has emotions. No matter what, Benazir was still his mother.

Would it be appropriate for me to say that Imran also benefited from his mother’s cancer because it helped him establish the SKMH which has greatly boosted his political career?

You should be ashamed of making that point. The fact that you could even think along those lines illustrates how much poison and disgusting hatred Imran has injected in our society and how dangerous his cult-following is.

I don’t think you deserve any further replies after what you said, but I will touch on the Jahangir Tareen point anyway.

PTI used Jahangir Tareen’s money to buy the loyalties of independent candidates after he was disqualified. How is that justified?

Why is his son investing in PSL? Where is the money coming from? He is 22 and only graduated a year or so back. Where did he find the millions to invest in PSL? Of course it is his father’s black money.

As close associate, do you think Imran was unaware of Jahangir Tareen’s sugar mill scam when was using his black money to fund his election campaign, dharnas and to zoom around the country? So can we conclude that Imran is a beneficiary of corruption and that his election campaign was haraam?

Jahangir Tareen is still a very prominent member of PTI in spite of not holding public office. Why didn’t Imran oust him from the party altogether after the verdict of the Supreme Court?

As I said, this whole corruption nonsense is a smoke-screen. Imran himself is a beneficiary of corruption and does not have any problem with it as long as the corruption is done by his friends. He is a con-artist and the biggest fake this country has ever seen.

Nobody is saying that Nawaz or Zardari are healthy stallions. They are around 70 years old and their health issues are surely there for everyone to see. However, to say and actually believe that both of them require foreign treatment to stay alive, someone just doesn't have to be naive, but also blind and delusional. They surely don't need to go the USA or the UK to recover from their diseases.

Only a minority of fools claimed that Kulsoom was faking her disease. She was ill and most of the PTI supporters knew it.

You are celebrating the fact that Nawaz somehow ran away from Pakistan, while ignoring two things :

1. The same Nawaz and his party (family) promised their loyal supporters to stay in Pakistan and to die in Pakistan if required, but to never make a deal with anybody. However, when things got tough for him, he ran away at the first opportunity, making a fool of his blind supporters who thought Nawaz was "the only leader who could stand up against the Army."

2. Nawaz running away from the country is another proof that Imran has well and truly ended his political career. He may or may never come back to Pakistan, but his political career is finished, and it doesn't matter if you keep calling him the "President of the PMLN."

Bilawal and Maryam being future leaders is as true as Nawaz and Zardari being clean and honest. The military doesn't need to back them in the future, as they already have started to lick boots, taking U-turns after U-turns and bringing nothing but shame to their fans who used to see them as some kind of democratic heroes. So much for that "vote ko izzat do" slogan for all these years.

Imran didn't use anybody else's name or influence to come into politics. He retired from cricket, worked as a philanthrophist, built his cancer hospitals, struggled for 17 years before making an impact in the 2013 elections and eventually winning in 2018. There is world of difference between his career, and Bilawal or Maryam's careers who have nothing to do with their struggles, but certainly have a lot to do with their parents' names.

Finally, you should be the one feeling ashamed. Instead of reading my post with hatred and frustration, try to read it while using your brains for once. When I spoke about the man who benefited the most of Benazir's death, I was obviously talking about Zardari and not Bilawal. Bilawal is at fault where he doesn't have the guts to call for a proper investigation of his mother's death, despite being the chairman of a huge party like PPP. But of course, you have a habit of talking nonsense without thinking logically. Who would blame someone's assasination on his/her son ? On topic, Zardari was the one who turned out to be the biggest beneficiary of her death, and the fact that he didn't start an inquiry despite being in power for 5 long years is enough to understand it.

Next time, try to use your own brains before accusing anybody of making disgusting arguments. What Imran has done against family corruption is certainly hurting you and it is clearly visible in your posts as you are typing with frustration and hatred for him, and while doing so, you are not being able to understand what should be said and what should not be said.

 

[Waleed93]

But didnt boxer B say that he would rather die than leave the ring? And then boxer B runs like the scary cat that he is, apparently humiliating his opponent as he did it! it makes me chuckle every time i read it.

So another humiliating Uturn from you, IK is not a dictator! That was quick, and you are not even a politician that has to deal with complex asymmetrical issues. What a humiliation and lets be honest, it happens everyday for you. It was only last week you told us that it wasnt NS that made the decision, and then a day later you ran again after you discovered it was him. Anyone with an ounce of credibility would be too embarrassed to post, but not in your case.

The same Nawaz who apparently was the only leader who could stand up against the Army ran away at the first opportunity to save his behind, leaving his delusional fans in shame, and making them believe like he actually won against Imran.

 

[Bewal Express]

I ignored your question because it was stupid. The problem with Youthopian logic is that they believe that a country’s economy is just like the financial position of a company. That is what they advertised Asad Umar as a financial genius and the solution to Pakistan’s economic woes because of his performance at an MNC, but PTI got a reality check when he was clueless at running the economy of a country and was thus booted out within 8 months.

As a result, Imran Khan had to take another U-turn and hire a former PPP finance minister as his financial advisor. We are told that PPP was extremely corrupt, so what is its financial minister doing in PTI. According to Youthopian logic, as finance minister, was he unaware of the corruption that was going on in PPP government? Was he not complicit?

If he is a man of honesty and integrity, why didn’t he prove to be a whistleblower and why didn’t he resign to avoid facilitating the corruption?

If the Youthopian excuse is that he was unaware of the corruption and the money laundering, then what sort of a finance minister is he? Why was he clueless when his own president was stealing and laundering money?



You do not need to have any particular expertise to be a PM because it is an administrative position. He is basically a manager who employees qualified people in different departments and represents his government at the international level. Hence, both Bilawal and Maryam are qualified for this job, but they are definitely not qualified to the finance ministers or the minister of science and technology for example.

Similarly, Imran is also qualified to be the PM even though he has no academic credentials. He was an average student throughout his life and got into Oxford on a sports seat and barely clearly his exams. During his time at Oxford, his class fellows used to call him “Im the Dim”, because he was clueless in the classroom but brilliant on the cricket pitch.

To be a political leader in Pakistan you need two things: (1) family name and/or (2)fame.

Bilawal and Maryam have the former but Imran had the latter because of his legendary cricket career that he capitalized in politics. A common man cannot rise to the top in Pakistani politics. Someone like Modi would still be selling tea if he wasn’t in India.



But we are told by cult-followers that PPP and PMLN are corrupt while Imran is an angel who has been spent from the heavens. Hence, it is no surprise that PPP and PMLN were unable to produce satisfactory evidence to prove their funding.

However, since Imran is an angel sent from the heavens whose honesty and integrity cannot be challenged, why is he running from the foreign funding case and why is his party demanding secrecy in investigations? An honest man will never allow his name to be maligned and will never allow people to accuse him. However, since Imran is trying to put a lid on it, it is clear that he is skeletons in the closet.

Now before you predictably ask me why the opposition is not pursuing this case against him, remember there is a time and place for everything. This foreign funding case will get mainstream attention when the military wants. Just like they protected Nawaz and Zardari for years, they are now protecting Imran. however, once they have enough of him, they will use the foreign funding to dispose him.

However, Imran calls himself honest so why doesn’t this honest man clear the allegations and strengthen the conviction that he is honest? Well because he is not.

Dear me a long winded write up to avoid constant humiliation after running for a year from the economic thread.
So we have an essay on the economy without any mention of economic policy. Its not even funny that a guy that has an open mouth on all subjects has no idea what a current account deficit is and what's its importance is to understanding the whole economic mess. You have avoided answering a simple question, which has been posed to you and other losers as to why PK had to go to the IMF, you cannot explain why the Rupee depreciated and its link to deficit where exports dropped to $23bn and imports increased to 60bn, at a time when our single biggest import oil was at the $35-40 per barrel. Instead your only answer was to focus on Asad Umer and why he was removed. The question is about policy and the policy wasn't changed. Again I challenge you to tell us if the 2 policies are different . Some glib statement about govt not being business and then giving no details as to what he did wrong because you are trying to sound clever without any idea of what you are writing. He was replaced at the behest of the IMF and many of us felt that it was the wrong decision.
I know you suffer from dishonest amnesia but the PPP replaced their Finance Minister 4 times, but like most of your posts, it doesn't fit in with your narrative so you decided to ignore. You said that IK should have not chosen Hafeez because he was corrupt, as you say the PPP was corrupt, thanks for acknowledging inadvertently and btw these are the people you want in power. I am sure the readers will make up their mind as to the stupidity of advocating people that you know to be corrupt. . As far as HS is concerned, you assertion that he must be corrupt because he was part of a corrupt govt would be true if anyone actually alleged that he was, and so far I haven't seen anything. Please post any sources. He was the Finance Minister, he decides how money is to be raised and spent. I know in your simple mind, you also think he spends that money but he gives it to govt dept and they spend it, not him. Lol

Your best bit is on Billo and Maryam. It has to take a special warped mind to justify the elevation of 2 corrupt, talentless people to lead political parties because wait for
It, its a administrative post. Even, if we are to accept that its an administrative post, what have they ever done in their lives that shows any acumen in admin field. Have they led a project? Billo has led the PPP party for 10 years and we have had the omni group laundering and a trillion go missing. Tell us where those administration skills were? And Maryam got $70mn from the Obama administration for girls education, where were these admin skills. Another epic fail.
Your biggest humiliation is over the Foreign funding. You told us that the PTI was hiding and I challenged you about the Nooras and as normal, you ran. Well the election commission asked a few questions and guess what? Well you know what happened. All 3 parties have questions to answer but the PTI is the only one that has accounts audited.
I know you have time to write long essays because my tax means that you earn money for doing nothing. So come on the economic thread and be a man. We will discuss in detail your lack of anything approaching economic literacy.