Any converts here on PakPassion?

[ExpressPacer]

I don't mean to offend anyone and this is just a thread out of curiosity. If you find this question disrespectful, I'll let you know beforehand that it was not my intention.

Any-who, moving on to the crux of this thread: Any converts? Sunni-Shia conversion? Muslim to some other religion or anyone having converted to Islam? Or perhaps someone who stopped believing in religion overall?

 

[ExpressPacer]

Or perhaps you did not choose the religion of one of your parents and opted with that of the other parent.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Does conversion to atheism count?

 

[ExpressPacer]

Does conversion to atheism count?

Or perhaps someone who stopped believing in religion overall?

Yep. Do you mind if I ask why and how?

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Yep. Do you mind if I ask why and how?

Nah, I ain't no atheist, firm believer in GOD here , just clearing the doubts for others

 

[ExpressPacer]

Nah, I ain't no atheist, firm believer in GOD here , just clearing the doubts for others

Oh ahhaha. I see. Good on you for having firm faith.

 

[TM Riddle]

I'm an agnostic tilted a bit towards the acceptance of God side.
Tried to be religious in my school days and used to visit temple once a week with regular pooja at home but it just didn't click with me esp the prayer part.Most pointless thing ever.Why would an all knowing merciful entity care about whether you pray to him or not and if he does than he's not a God for me .He has to be above human traits not bothered by the whims of irrelevant human beings.He has to be NIRGUNA .
Perhaps I would become religious someday after marriage and kids but I can say this with absolute certainty that modern Hinduism(or whatever it is) and abrahamic faiths would never appeal to me.Advaita Vedanta is a concept that always intrigues me.Or maybe Buddhism.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I'm an agnostic tilted a bit towards the acceptance of God side.
Tried to be religious in my school days and used to visit temple once a week with regular pooja at home but it just didn't click with me esp the prayer part.Most pointless thing ever.Why would an all knowing merciful entity care about whether you pray to him or not and if he does than he's not a God for me .He has to be above human traits not bothered by the whims of irrelevant human beings.He has to be NIRGUNA .
Perhaps I would become religious someday after marriage and kids but I can say this with absolute certainty that modern Hinduism(or whatever it is) and abrahamic faiths would never appeal to me.Advaita Vedanta is a concept that always intrigues me.Or maybe Buddhism.

Good post.

I agree on the Advaita bit. I recently read a book on Atman and it is indeed very interesting.

 

[shaz619]

Am in a state of limbo and confusion at the moment, I know more then the average fella at the mosque when it comes to Islam and have researched other religions to even attained an A grade in me Religious Education GCSE and while I found that Islam made more sense then the others, prayed a fair amount and was a fairly spiritual guy in that regard I've now reached a point where am empty on the inside. I don't know maybe it's to do with knowing more then I should or maybe it's the battle scars from life itself which make you disgruntled or a combination of both. I don't go out of my way to pray and stuff but I do so when I want to, obviously it's not the right thing with regards to the religion and many would not consider me a Muslim.

I won't ever talk down Islam though despite how I feel because I know what it means to other people and it's very important; it's that light which keeps things in order and that's the positive which many won't see in this day and age given what's happening around the world but the Islam of Sufism is that of tolerance/peace/love and is by no way associated to Salafi and Wahabi ideologies.

 

[shaz619]

Anyhow live and let live, people should go do as they please and not wind others up because when they feel passionate about something so long it's not hurting anyone else they should realise that when you criticise naturally they will be offended. Better to just live in peace and do our own thing instead of point scoring etc

 

[ExpressPacer]

Am in a state of limbo and confusion at the moment, I know more then the average fella at the mosque when it comes to Islam and have researched other religions to even attained an A grade in me Religious Education GCSE and while I found that Islam made more sense then the others, prayed a fair amount and was a fairly spiritual guy in that regard I've now reached a point where am empty on the inside. I don't know maybe it's to do with knowing more then I should or maybe it's the battle scars from life itself which make you disgruntled or a combination of both. I don't go out of my way to pray and stuff but I do so when I want to, obviously it's not the right thing with regards to the religion and many would not consider me a Muslim.

I won't ever talk down Islam though despite how I feel because I know what it means to other people and it's very important; it's that light which keeps things in order and that's the positive which many won't see in this day and age given what's happening around the world but the Islam of Sufism is that of tolerance/peace/love and is by no way associated to Salafi and Wahabi ideologies.

Beautiful post, Shazzy. With a doubt. Especially the last line. Good on you for sharing this.

By the way, just to let you know, not praying will NOT make you a non Muslim. I know you have a lot of love for the British Muslim community but please, for the love of God, don't believe everything they say. I've been to England a numerous number of times and I have found British Muslims to be extremely over the top. Very interfering and aren't afraid to let others know what they think of their faith.

While praying is certainly a great practice, I can assure you that not praying does not make you an atheist or whatever.

As for the rest of you post, I agree, knowing too much can be detrimental. I remember someone telling me as a young child to not ponder over God's existence too much because it is too much for the human brain to comprehend. Maybe that's an excuse to keep Muslims from abstaining from the "right" path but I find some truth in it.

 

[miandadrules]

I'm an atheist.

I was raised in a very religious family, though religion was never forced upon me.

I was a Hafiz as a child, but ultimately the more I studied the more I realised the fallacy which had been imposed on people.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I'm an atheist.

I was raised in a very religious family, though religion was never forced upon me.

I was a Hafiz as a child, but ultimately the more I studied the more I realised the fallacy which had been imposed on people.

Interesting story. Thank you for sharing.

The interesting bit is, you're not the first Hafiz I've seen who's chosen to become an atheist. The first time I met an atheist Hafiz, I was surprised because it was a bit of a paradox but now I've met quite a few and I feel as though going to an extreme of anything (religion in this case) drives you away from it. Or maybe you understand things better and find the flaws.

 

[troodon]

Agnostic here.

Born a Hindu. Slowly moved away from religion. My parents were not religious either. They were skeptical of all local babas who pretend to be God men while our neighbors used to fall on their feet.

Rational thinking is there in my family. Especially my Mom.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Agnostic here.

Born a Hindu. Slowly moved away from religion. My parents were not religious either. They were skeptical of all local babas who pretend to be God men while our neighbors used to fall on their feet.

Rational thinking is there in my family. Especially my Mom.

Sub Continental Muslims and Hindus both share a love for these deities on earth which quite frankly pushes any logical, thinking person away from religion. The concept of worshiping (borderline worshiping in Muslims case) another human being does not appeal me either. Thanks for sharing!

 

[miandadrules]

Interesting story. Thank you for sharing.

The interesting bit is, you're not the first Hafiz I've seen who's chosen to become an atheist. The first time I met an atheist Hafiz, I was surprised because it was a bit of a paradox but now I've met quite a few and I feel as though going to an extreme of anything (religion in this case) drives you away from it. Or maybe you understand things better and find the flaws.

It was nothing to do with being Hafiz.

It was simply the more I studied, the more I understood.

It wasn't simply the study of religion but history, science, politics, anthropology, psychology to name a few. Once seen in that light it becomes obvious that religion was a device used to maintain centralised power over the masses.


If religion was what is practiced by my family and friends then I would be a Muslim today. But I can't ignore the facts.

 

[ExpressPacer]

If religion was what is practiced by my family and friends then I would be a Muslim today. But I can't ignore the facts.

A very good point. Most of us are Muslims because our parents were Muslim and what they believe is the end and the pinnacle.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Alright, here's my story:-

I never was a religious person, no one in my family forced me towards religion, so never was interested in any of the spiritual or religious stuff. I even went through an atheist phase, just to be rebellious and "cool" , although I always loved my religion. Few years ago, started reading books on meditation, started practicing meditation, started listening to the very few enlightened people on this earth. "The Power of Now" by ekhart tolle is a wonderful book to start with, slowly started reading vedantic and yogic philosophies and it all started to make sense, I began to experience my spiritual self through meditation and my belief in GOD strengthened. The practice of meditation has changed me as a person and I am more spiritual nowadays, still a long way to go on my spiritual journey though

 

[ExpressPacer]

Alright, here's my story:-

I never was a religious person, no one in my family forced me towards religion, so never was interested in any of the spiritual or religious stuff. I even went through an atheist phase, just to be rebellious and "cool" , although I always loved my religion. Few years ago, started reading books on meditation, started practicing meditation, started listening to the very few enlightened people on this earth. "The Power of Now" by ekhart tolle is a wonderful book to start with, slowly started reading vedantic and yogic philosophies and it all started to make sense, I began to experience my spiritual self through meditation and my belief in GOD strengthened. The practice of meditation has changed me as a person and I am more spiritual nowadays, still a long way to go on my spiritual journey though

Good post man. I agree. Meditation is a part of many religions, but specifically Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism and honestly, I also feel a stronger sense of faith after meditating. It brings you closer to your self being and God.

 

[TahirFan]

I was born a Muslim

I will die as a Muslim

I became even a better Muslim after Donald Trump became president of the US

 

[troodon]

Good post man. I agree. Meditation is a part of many religions, but specifically Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism and honestly, I also feel a stronger sense of faith after meditating. It brings you closer to your self being and God.

Meditation can be very powerful in relieving stress and clearing your mind. Most diseases of humans start from brain. So it is important to have a healthy brain.
I am a firm believer in Yoga and Buddhist form of meditations. Very peaceful and calming.

 

[James]

An Agnostic Christian.

 

[Mian]

I was born into a bralevi muslim family but after watching bralevis practices and their version of islam closely specially the peeri mureedi and biddats i got away from it i am not a wahabi i am somewhere in the middle where i follow all the logical and good practices of different sects although my family still call me a wahabi born in a bralevi sunni family lol

 

[GujjarLife]

I was born into a bralevi muslim family but after watching bralevis practices and their version of islam closely specially the peeri mureedi and biddats i got away from it i am not a wahabi i am somewhere in the middle where i follow all the logical and good practices of different sects although my family still call me a wahabi born in a bralevi sunni family lol

I also grew up in a brelvi family, but eventually grew tired of their peer-mureedi, shirk and their antics in general. Just consider myself an ordinary muslim and do my best to avoid brelvis.

 

[DW44]

Sunni Islam to agnosticism(2012-13) to atheism(~2015). Wouldn't really call it a conversion though since atheism and agnosticism aren't organised belief systems like religion.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I was born into a bralevi muslim family but after watching bralevis practices and their version of islam closely specially the peeri mureedi and biddats i got away from it i am not a wahabi i am somewhere in the middle where i follow all the logical and good practices of different sects although my family still call me a wahabi born in a bralevi sunni family lol

Thanks for the post!

Yes, I have noticed Barelvis doing that and frankly, I believe in living by the quote that goes "Live and let live".. However, I must say that peers these days are giving a bad name to the great Sufis of the past by making their followers indulge in obnoxious practices.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Sunni Islam to agnosticism(2012-13) to atheism(~2015). Wouldn't really call it a conversion though since atheism and agnosticism aren't organised belief systems like religion.

Thanks for the post!

Do you mind if I ask you why this change came out and how?

 

[DW44]

Thanks for the post!
Do you mind if I ask you why this change came out and how?

The details are somewhere in the random thread.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Does conversion to atheism count?

Thats called enlightenment.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Thats called enlightenment.

Nah, quite the opposite actually

 

[TahirFan]

A Russian writer wrote a book promoting atheism and prayed every night that the book would sell

 

[Donal Cozzie]

An Agnostic Christian.

Realistically this is the case for probably 75% of people in the UK and Ireland the census counts as "Catholic" or "Protestant".

 

[TM Riddle]

A Russian writer wrote a book promoting atheism and prayed every night that the book would sell

So did it sell then?

 

[Specialisttailender]

Realistically this is the case for probably 75% of people in the UK and Ireland the census counts as "Catholic" or "Protestant".

Same in Indian major cities with everyone under 30.

 

[TM Riddle]

Same in Indian major cities with everyone under 30.

Is that why most of them identity with hindutva now a days then?
What you said used to be the case around a decade ago.Things are changing pretty fast now and India is heading towards a disaster with right wing lunatics at the helm.What sucks is that the main opposition party Congress is even worse.

 

[JaDed]

Alright, here's my story:-

I never was a religious person, no one in my family forced me towards religion, so never was interested in any of the spiritual or religious stuff. I even went through an atheist phase, just to be rebellious and "cool" , although I always loved my religion. Few years ago, started reading books on meditation, started practicing meditation, started listening to the very few enlightened people on this earth. "The Power of Now" by ekhart tolle is a wonderful book to start with, slowly started reading vedantic and yogic philosophies and it all started to make sense, I began to experience my spiritual self through meditation and my belief in GOD strengthened. The practice of meditation has changed me as a person and I am more spiritual nowadays, still a long way to go on my spiritual journey though

I somehow assumed you were a Sikh, my bad there.

 

[JaDed]

I know 2 people that converted to Christianity,they are happy and like the discipline​ and respect they get,both of them girls.

 

[TM Riddle]

Are you a Sikh [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] or punjabi hindu?

 

[ToeCrusher2]

I somehow assumed you were a Sikh, my bad there.

Oh I am jadey bro

 

[Heisenberg]

If somebody lives in Pakistan and says they are an atheist/left islam, doesn't that leave them open to being prosecuted under the new laws? I'm not sure if this is a good idea

 

[Syed1]

I converted from imperial to metric. Never looked back.

 

[SandyB]

I'm confused frankly . I go to temples , rarely (only when I'm in the mood, once a month or less) , try and incite some sort of conversation with the Idol there . Like you'd talk to a person. Not praying for riches, hoors and success or something like that . Just small talk maybe.

In southern (kerala) temples, the idols are usually stone carved and are kept at a distance in a dark inner sanctum, lit around by small lamps with mirrors to reflect light in many patters. So it does have a hypnotic effect when you concentrate for a long time. But I usually end up just staring at the flames or the eyes and then due to my short attention span, end up thinking all sort of weird sh!t.

Never have I felt any sort of "divine intervention" or "established a line" or whatever .

Earlier you did all of this as a kid, because your parents did it too. I used to ask too many questions even then: "Why", "whom", "whats the point of it " etc etc, luckily my family was conservative on my mom's side and agnostic on dad's so I got a sort of balanced perspective without condescending remarks .

Even the many weird rituals(quite a few in Kerala) were explained as just rituals, with good enough demystification from my parents side. As I got older I'd read all the signboards and notice boards in Kerala temples which usually explain the History, origin etc of the temple, its deity and practices. I guess the generally pro-agnostic nature of most Kerala hindus (my community/caste mainly ) and the generally favorable environment for questioning faith , helped me grow up far less superstitious than many other Hindu communities.

So I still visit temples, especially ones outside my state, just for the taste of a different culture and rituals. Back home I usually avoid the big, famous and busy ones. I have a few places, very calm , very serene, in the middle of paddy fields or trees, away from modernity, where you ACTUALLY get a peace of mind. I guess that was what a temple(or any place of worship) was meant to provide. That's it .

Am I agnostic ? Not sure. I frequently go through phases of self doubt , lack of self esteem, confidence etc, so when I'm faced with a tough situation , I sometimes do call out to something out of despair. I don't know what it is , I would love to find out at some point, and settle the debate once and for all. But I want to find it on my own, not by aping what some silly old book(s) or some swami says.

 

[James]

Realistically this is the case for probably 75% of people in the UK and Ireland the census counts as "Catholic" or "Protestant".

An Agnostic Christian is somewhat more interested in the spiritual element than a Cultural Christian however.

My background is Protestant, and yes when a Protestant attends a Catholic church service or Catholic funeral then it is supremely strange for us. The two ways are very different. However I think it's better to just be "Christian" and not denominational.

 

[Square Drive]

Am in a state of limbo and confusion at the moment, I know more then the average fella at the mosque when it comes to Islam and have researched other religions to even attained an A grade in me Religious Education GCSE and while I found that Islam made more sense then the others, prayed a fair amount and was a fairly spiritual guy in that regard I've now reached a point where am empty on the inside. I don't know maybe it's to do with knowing more then I should or maybe it's the battle scars from life itself which make you disgruntled or a combination of both. I don't go out of my way to pray and stuff but I do so when I want to, obviously it's not the right thing with regards to the religion and many would not consider me a Muslim.

I won't ever talk down Islam though despite how I feel because I know what it means to other people and it's very important; it's that light which keeps things in order and that's the positive which many won't see in this day and age given what's happening around the world but the Islam of Sufism is that of tolerance/peace/love and is by no way associated to Salafi and Wahabi ideologies.

If you're in a state of confusion, pray to Allah. Pray to Him to give you internal happiness, to guide you, to show you signs of Islam being the real and true religion.

Although most (almost all) scholars agree on the fact that purposefully neglecting Salah/prayer means you are no longer a part of Islam, I would like to encourage you by saying that don't worry; Allah forgives anything and everything. Take it in - a prostitute will make it to Jannah on the basis of feeding a dog - I'm sure she didn't pray or follow any if not all of the 5 basic pillars of Islam. This is not to say that don't pray and just feed a dog instead. Point is, anything can be forgiven.

I urge you Shazzy. It's Ramadan and good deeds are only multiplied here. The best 10 days of the year are coming up. Fast, repent, pray, and make tons of Dua to Allah to help you and guide you, to provide you with internal happiness, and to forgive all your past sins and iA grant you Jannah.

You still have a long way to go in life and NOTHING's lost yet. Just don't ever give up on Islam bro. Trust me there's thousands of people converting to this beautiful religion as we speak, and almost every other day in our local Masjid people are finding the truth and are converting to Islam. Our very own [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] here asked Allah to show him signs, and he got those signs from Allah.

You go walking to Allah, and He will come running (metaphorically) to you.

Try this and let me know if it works out. Don't listen to anyone on here bro.

Best of luck, and may Allah grant us both Jannah together - Ameen.

 

[Square Drive]

I was born into a bralevi muslim family but after watching bralevis practices and their version of islam closely specially the peeri mureedi and biddats i got away from it i am not a wahabi i am somewhere in the middle where i follow all the logical and good practices of different sects although my family still call me a wahabi born in a bralevi sunni family lol

I also grew up in a brelvi family, but eventually grew tired of their peer-mureedi, shirk and their antics in general. Just consider myself an ordinary muslim and do my best to avoid brelvis.

Good move.

Stay away from bid'ah as much as possible, regardless of whichever sect implies it.

 

[Square Drive]

I'm an atheist.

I was raised in a very religious family, though religion was never forced upon me.

I was a Hafiz as a child, but ultimately the more I studied the more I realised the fallacy which had been imposed on people.

Sad to hear.

Do you still remember the Quran by heart?

 

[Justcrazy]

Sad to hear.

Do you still remember the Quran by heart?

Its sad , because there are very few scholars who can answer people with patience . Under secular education people have been taken away from spirituaity , and pushed towards materialism.

 

[Square Drive]

Its sad , because there are very few scholars who can answer people with patience . Under secular education people have been taken away from spirituaity , and pushed towards materialism.

They'll find out on the Day of Judgement I guess. All I can say.

 

[Justcrazy]

A very good point. Most of us are Muslims because our parents were Muslim and what they believe is the end and the pinnacle.

If a person is Muslim just for the sake of it , it will not benefit him / her in the hereafter. A non Muslim as well a Muslim has to work to get Iman.

 

[Justcrazy]

They'll find out on the Day of Judgement I guess. All I can say.

They will find the moment the veil of unseen is lifted , they see angels of death. Unfortunately one cannot do anything at that time. It will be too late.

 

[Square Drive]

They will find the moment the veil of unseen is lifted , they see angels of death. Unfortunately one cannot do anything at that time. It will be too late.

May Allah guide everyone. Ameen.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Guys, let's refrain from targeting a specific person and warning him if the consequences he may have to suffer. This thread is not for that. If anyone is an atheist, let it be.

 

[Heisenberg]

Its sad , because there are very few scholars who can answer people with patience . Under secular education people have been taken away from spirituaity , and pushed towards materialism.

Education opens up your mind and exposes you to other views as opposed to being indoctrinated into one way of thinking. Materialism has nothing to do with it

 

[shaz619]

If you're in a state of confusion, pray to Allah. Pray to Him to give you internal happiness, to guide you, to show you signs of Islam being the real and true religion.

Although most (almost all) scholars agree on the fact that purposefully neglecting Salah/prayer means you are no longer a part of Islam, I would like to encourage you by saying that don't worry; Allah forgives anything and everything. Take it in - a prostitute will make it to Jannah on the basis of feeding a dog - I'm sure she didn't pray or follow any if not all of the 5 basic pillars of Islam. This is not to say that don't pray and just feed a dog instead. Point is, anything can be forgiven.

I urge you Shazzy. It's Ramadan and good deeds are only multiplied here. The best 10 days of the year are coming up. Fast, repent, pray, and make tons of Dua to Allah to help you and guide you, to provide you with internal happiness, and to forgive all your past sins and iA grant you Jannah.

You still have a long way to go in life and NOTHING's lost yet. Just don't ever give up on Islam bro. Trust me there's thousands of people converting to this beautiful religion as we speak, and almost every other day in our local Masjid people are finding the truth and are converting to Islam. Our very own [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] here asked Allah to show him signs, and he got those signs from Allah.

You go walking to Allah, and He will come running (metaphorically) to you.

Try this and let me know if it works out. Don't listen to anyone on here bro.

Best of luck, and may Allah grant us both Jannah together - Ameen.

Really appreciate your post, thanks a lot my bro! you remind me of this quote when Superman was talking to his son "You will be different, sometimes you'll feel like an outcast, but you'll never be alone. You will make my strength your own. You will see my life through your eyes, as your life will be seen through mine. The son becomes the father and the father becomes the son"

All those years ago The Bear gave the Baby Drive a hand to raise him! and now it is the Drive who is giving the Bear a hand to get up when he has fallen! [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] #SaveTheBear #SecondComing #Y2PleetProblem

mA As long as I've known SD he's always been a very spiritual guy and a good lad who's mature beyond his years

 

[Square Drive]

Really appreciate your post, thanks a lot my bro! you remind me of this quote when Superman was talking to his son "You will be different, sometimes you'll feel like an outcast, but you'll never be alone. You will make my strength your own. You will see my life through your eyes, as your life will be seen through mine. The son becomes the father and the father becomes the son"

All those years ago The Bear gave the Baby Drive a hand to raise him! and now it is the Drive who is giving the Bear a hand to get up when he has fallen! [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] #SaveTheBear #SecondComing #Y2PleetProblem

mA As long as I've known SD he's always been a very spiritual guy and a good lad who's mature beyond his years

Thanks a lot for the praise bro.

No need to thank me - it's my duty to make sure my Pakistani bros are always in good spirits and in a good state.

Hope it all works for you iA!

 

[itsme]

Born in a muslim family,quite conservative,learn prayers and all rite really early.
I don't know if i am an atheist or agnostic to be honest,thought it's more atheist imo.
Don't have any specials reasons to have "change religion",just didn't believe in all this things "god,ghost,fairy tail(not trying to disrespect by putting them in the same basket)" since i'm a kid,now that i grow it's just far more evident,honestly i still struggle to understand how people can believe in,always thought it was a social thing and people are acting like they believe or just try desesperatly to convince themselves.

 

[Smbhayi]

well, I'm a Muslim and will be a Muslim till my last breath and will die as a mumin (ﻣﺆﻣﻦ) iA (ameen) .

 

[JaDed]

Are you a Sikh [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] or punjabi hindu?

Punjabi Hindu ,with some family members on Mother's side who are Sikh(grandmother)

 

[Red Devil]

Really appreciate your post, thanks a lot my bro! you remind me of this quote when Superman was talking to his son "You will be different, sometimes you'll feel like an outcast, but you'll never be alone. You will make my strength your own. You will see my life through your eyes, as your life will be seen through mine. The son becomes the father and the father becomes the son"

All those years ago The Bear gave the Baby Drive a hand to raise him! and now it is the Drive who is giving the Bear a hand to get up when he has fallen! [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] #SaveTheBear #SecondComing #Y2PleetProblem

mA As long as I've known SD he's always been a very spiritual guy and a good lad who's mature beyond his years

Y2P )

Great post by SD, hang in there bro. May Allah (swt) guide us all. Ameen.

 

[miandadrules]

Sad to hear.

Do you still remember the Quran by heart?

I remember very little. Sometimes something will trigger it and I'll surprise myself by remembering more than I thought but it's very rare.

Seems like another lifetime if I'm honest.

Why is it sad?

 

[Specialisttailender]

Is that why most of them identity with hindutva now a days then?
What you said used to be the case around a decade ago.Things are changing pretty fast now and India is heading towards a disaster with right wing lunatics at the helm.What sucks is that the main opposition party Congress is even worse.

Is that how it is up in North ? Things are a little different in South here. Hindutva has no place in Tamil Nadu (esp in Tamil Nadu/Kerala). UP is to North, is what North is to South.

 

[TM Riddle]

Is that how it is up in North ? Things are a little different in South here. Hindutva has no place in Tamil Nadu (esp in Tamil Nadu/Kerala). UP is to North, is what North is to South.

Then you should have said south India .

 

[SandyB]

Is that how it is up in North ? Things are a little different in South here. Hindutva has no place in Tamil Nadu (esp in Tamil Nadu/Kerala). UP is to North, is what North is to South.

Hindutva is growing much faster than you think man. Already the tamil top parties are going under the BJP umbrella slowly.

Even in kerala, many hindus are soft BJP supporters, but its the Cultural imperialism and caste bias which is keeping people from embracing it fully .

 

[Specialisttailender]

Hindutva is growing much faster than you think man. Already the tamil top parties are going under the BJP umbrella slowly.

Even in kerala, many hindus are soft BJP supporters, but its the Cultural imperialism and caste bias which is keeping people from embracing it fully .

Hatred towards BJP is growing in Tamil Nadu. BJP is a pro-Brahmin party, pretty much all the BJP representatives in Tamil Nadu are brahmins. if you listen to the speech it is quite irritating. Maybe Tamil Nadu is different but Hindutva and BJP is getting more hate in Tamil Nadu. I'll be going to my home town Madurai in a week, when I come back ill try to update.

 

[Major]

I'm an atheist.

I was raised in a very religious family, though religion was never forced upon me.

I was a Hafiz as a child, but ultimately the more I studied the more I realised the fallacy which had been imposed on people.

but becoming a hafiz was your own decision or your parents?

 

[Black Zero]

I was born in muslim family
Prophet of Islam, Jesus, Buddha were my childhood ideals.
Studied quran, with translation and tafseer.
Always felt strongly about sufism.

Even when I was child i felt so many things wrong with religious concepts and practices but I always blame muslim "scholars" that if we get competent scholars then they would be able to balance all equations.

Eventually, i studied history and found that shias' explanationa about post-prophet incidents are 80-90% correct.
Ahamadis are right that prophet of Islam is not actually the last prophet, their explanations about jinns and dajjal are at least not laughable.

then I put focus on the founder of Islam and quran, then i changed my focus to the origins of Islam (Judaism and Zoroastrians) and reached certainty that Judaism and Islam are nothing but a collection of lies and blunders.

I am now critical of monotheism but I understand the role of religion in society cause we need something for grieving mothers.

I hope that in couple of hundred of years we will have better religions, which will be based on truth and compassion.

 

[Major]

Though im a muslim, but im very confused about my religion.

Thing is, i have lived a good part of my teenage life(now 22) in depression.I religiously followed every rule that should had protected me during my teenage years from ill morals, and yet today i'm still unhappy and have regrets. For the last 2 years i have been a regular prayer. I have prayed 4 of namaz very regularly(i skip Fajar), and yet even after that i have depression. I was told that religion will clear my depression, and here i'm.

People tell me that religion could do this, cure this and that, ask god and he will give it to you. Whatever i have received, whatever has happened hasn't bought any happiness to me.

In the past i atleast use to have a kind heart, now my heart is soo hard as a rock that recently my uncle died and i couldn't even shed a single tear.

Now what i'm slowly learning is that everything is in the hands of a person. Its a persons own actions that leads to his own happiness or unhappiness.

My group of my best friends have done drugs had sex and approached there crushes and all, and todays those guys arn't miserable, are happy and dont have any regrets.

I on the other hand did neither of those things, never even tried a cigarette, yet i'm the most depressed person in my group and have the most regrets.

Maybe in the next 10 years if i still feel miserable even after praying and fasting and following most of the religious rules, i would have to reconsider all that

 

[Screopho]

Born in an atheist, agnostic family but I'm a Hindu by birth. I gravitated towards it right from childhood. I am spiritual by nature and a strict follower of the Yoga (both the physical and spiritual aspects).

My husband grew up in a Muslim family but is now an agnostic. He however meditates everyday which has helped him immensely in both his personal and professional life.

Our children are brought up with spiritual teachings but not necessarily of a particular religion.

 

[Justcrazy]

Education opens up your mind and exposes you to other views as opposed to being indoctrinated into one way of thinking. Materialism has nothing to do with it

So , you are trying to say that Muslims are not educated ?

 

[Justcrazy]

Born in an atheist, agnostic family but I'm a Hindu by birth. I gravitated towards it right from childhood. I am spiritual by nature and a strict follower of the Yoga (both the physical and spiritual aspects).

My husband grew up in a Muslim family but is now an agnostic. He however meditates everyday which has helped him immensely in both his personal and professional life.

Our children are brought up with spiritual teachings but not necessarily of a particular religion.

I suppose meditation has nothing to do with religion , he does that for non religious reasons like concentration etc ?

 

[Screopho]

I suppose meditation has nothing to do with religion , he does that for non religious reasons like concentration etc ?

Yes nothing to do with religion. However he was taught meditation by an Tibetian Hindu monk who was previously a physicist but gave that up and became a monk. According to my husband it has made him calmer, helps with being in the moment and seeing the world in a sort of detached way.

 

[Heisenberg]

So , you are trying to say that Muslims are not educated ?

You said secular education has taken people away from spirituality and towards materialism - a very popular idea amongst mullahs these days, in fact. I replied to that. Don't see where Muslims and being educated or not comes into it tbf

 

[itsme]

Though im a muslim, but im very confused about my religion.

Thing is, i have lived a good part of my teenage life(now 22) in depression.I religiously followed every rule that should had protected me during my teenage years from ill morals, and yet today i'm still unhappy and have regrets. For the last 2 years i have been a regular prayer. I have prayed 4 of namaz very regularly(i skip Fajar), and yet even after that i have depression. I was told that religion will clear my depression, and here i'm.

People tell me that religion could do this, cure this and that, ask god and he will give it to you. Whatever i have received, whatever has happened hasn't bought any happiness to me.

In the past i atleast use to have a kind heart, now my heart is soo hard as a rock that recently my uncle died and i couldn't even shed a single tear.

Now what i'm slowly learning is that everything is in the hands of a person. Its a persons own actions that leads to his own happiness or unhappiness.

My group of my best friends have done drugs had sex and approached there crushes and all, and todays those guys arn't miserable, are happy and dont have any regrets.

I on the other hand did neither of those things, never even tried a cigarette, yet i'm the most depressed person in my group and have the most regrets.

Maybe in the next 10 years if i still feel miserable even after praying and fasting and following most of the religious rules, i would have to reconsider all that

Why are you depressive?
If you are frustated due to the prohibitions either you do it and you have remorses or you don't and you have regrets,your choice.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Though im a muslim, but im very confused about my religion.

Thing is, i have lived a good part of my teenage life(now 22) in depression.I religiously followed every rule that should had protected me during my teenage years from ill morals, and yet today i'm still unhappy and have regrets. For the last 2 years i have been a regular prayer. I have prayed 4 of namaz very regularly(i skip Fajar), and yet even after that i have depression. I was told that religion will clear my depression, and here i'm.

People tell me that religion could do this, cure this and that, ask god and he will give it to you. Whatever i have received, whatever has happened hasn't bought any happiness to me.

In the past i atleast use to have a kind heart, now my heart is soo hard as a rock that recently my uncle died and i couldn't even shed a single tear.

Now what i'm slowly learning is that everything is in the hands of a person. Its a persons own actions that leads to his own happiness or unhappiness.

My group of my best friends have done drugs had sex and approached there crushes and all, and todays those guys arn't miserable, are happy and dont have any regrets.

I on the other hand did neither of those things, never even tried a cigarette, yet i'm the most depressed person in my group and have the most regrets.

Maybe in the next 10 years if i still feel miserable even after praying and fasting and following most of the religious rules, i would have to reconsider all that

Brother why are you relating depression with Islam ?

Does Islam say that those who follow it won't get deprrssed ?

As we know that unfortunately you lost your father all of a sudden and He was Head of the family and all burden fell on you. Plus emotional setback of losing your loved one who after Allah was the cause of you being in this World. Than due to frequent postings of your father you getting few years late in your academic ambitions. Plus anybody can get depressed.

What is Qasoor of Islam in this ?


You think those who don't follow there faith are not depressed while those who follow it are depressed ?


Just strike a balance between your religious moral duties aswell as your worldly life (academics etc) and keep the ball rolling. Do exercise, do some sports, eat healthy, sleep healthy. Strive hard, work hard, chase your dreams.


No magic is going to happen by only prayers. Prayers will supplement you and will give you more than what you deserve (others call it luck) if you work hard. Allah will supplicate your efforts.


This thinking that I should break rules and barriers and it will give me happiness will yield you nothing.


In what God you believe ? If you believe in a static God who previously used to talk but now is dumb than it's ok. But if you believe in a living God than you will have to develop a close rekationship and friendship with Him whereny He shows you True dreams and guides you and makes you feel that He exists indeed. If you succeed in this than you will follow His commands in Love rather than for the sake of some book or some one's lectures.


Otherwise on the other side of bridge there is Agnosticism & Atheism.


Cheer Up and take pride in what you are...

 

[Major]

Why are you depressive?
If you are frustated due to the prohibitions either you do it and you have remorses or you don't and you have regrets,your choice.

I dont want to tell you the reason of my depression as its quite an embarrassing one.

But i was told that if i prayed regularly, and made my decisions based upon religion, i would be happy with my life.

Yet, its the exact opposite.

 

[TM Riddle]

I dont want to tell you the reason of my depression as its quite an embarrassing one.

But i was told that if i prayed regularly, and made my decisions based upon religion, i would be happy with my life.

Yet, its the exact opposite.

You need to go out a bit and have 'fun' with your mates.It helps.

 

[Major]

Brother why are you relating depression with Islam ?

Does Islam say that those who follow it won't get deprrssed ?

As we know that unfortunately you lost your father all of a sudden and He was Head of the family and all burden fell on you. Plus emotional setback of losing your loved one who after Allah was the cause of you being in this World. Than due to frequent postings of your father you getting few years late in your academic ambitions. Plus anybody can get depressed.

What is Qasoor of Islam in this ?


You think those who don't follow there faith are not depressed while those who follow it are depressed ?


Just strike a balance between your religious moral duties aswell as your worldly life (academics etc) and keep the ball rolling. Do exercise, do some sports, eat healthy, sleep healthy. Strive hard, work hard, chase your dreams.


No magic is going to happen by only prayers. Prayers will supplement you and will give you more than what you deserve (others call it luck) if you work hard. Allah will supplicate your efforts.


This thinking that I should break rules and barriers and it will give me happiness will yield you nothing.


In what God you believe ? If you believe in a static God who previously used to talk but now is dumb than it's ok. But if you believe in a living God than you will have to develop a close rekationship and friendship with Him whereny He shows you True dreams and guides you and makes you feel that He exists indeed. If you succeed in this than you will follow His commands in Love rather than for the sake of some book or some one's lectures.


Otherwise on the other side of bridge there is Agnosticism & Atheism.


Cheer Up and take pride in what you are...

wow, you know quite alot about me.

Bro, if we follow religion properly, stick by its rules, we will obviously end up having regrets.

If i'm not doing something wrong(which is a good thing religiously) then why has God or Religion allowed me to go into depression? Why doesn't HE take me out of it.

Depression is really hard to deal with. Why doesn't religion intervene and stop it?
Doesn't religion say that Suicide is haram, and what is the cause of suicide? Depression obviously.

 

[itsme]

I dont want to tell you the reason of my depression as its quite an embarrassing one.

But i was told that if i prayed regularly, and made my decisions based upon religion, i would be happy with my life.

Yet, its the exact opposite.

We are on a anonym forum you can talk freely without being afraid of any real life repercussions,but your choice.
When a depression comes from a existensial's motive religion,spirituality may provide some help but if itsn't the case it's generally useless.

 

[Major]

We are on a anonym forum you can talk freely without being afraid of any real life repercussions,but your choice.
When a depression comes from a existensial's motive religion,spirituality may provide some help but if itsn't the case it's generally useless.

Having a stupid crush on someone, and that so 6 years ago. Not approaching her and all, overthinking it has really destroyed me mentally.

 

[itsme]

Having a stupid crush on someone, and that so 6 years ago. Not approaching her and all, overthinking it has really destroyed me mentally.

I thought it would be something like that honestly,i would like to tell you it's nothing that important and you will forget about that,that almost everyone go through that atleast one time in his life but reality is i can't feel or understand what it's was or mean to you nor can anyone else.