Any Muslim reverts on here?

[Badsha]

I will keep this short. Don't want to go into the details of my story but I have recently started listening to the Quran and am slowly starting fajr prayers too. I never stopped believing in Islam but I have not been practicing it the right way.

I want to hear other people's story as it may inspire me on (hopefully) my new journey till I die.

 

[Black Zero]

I will keep this short. Don't want to go into the details of my story but I have recently started listening to the Quran and am slowly starting fajr prayers too. I never stopped believing in Islam but I have not been practicing it the right way.

I want to hear other people's story as it may inspire me on (hopefully) my new journey till I die.

Just curious, are you going through some difficult patch in your life?

 

[Suleiman]

Just curious, are you going through some difficult patch in your life?

Ahh already know where you're going with this.

He replies "Yes I am going through a rough patch", answer with "Thought so, most people turn to religion only when they face adversity, it is a coping mechanism".

He replies "No, I just wanted to better myself spiritually (or something along those lines)", answer with "Yeah but religion is pointless only science matters"

There. 5+ post convo summarized in 1 post.

 

[Suleiman]

To OP: Waking up for Fajr is a challenge to carry out for long term, but am gonna try as well and see where it goes Insh'Allah.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

To OP: Waking up for Fajr is a challenge to carry out for long term, but am gonna try as well and see where it goes Insh'Allah.

Waking up for Fajr for me a couple of years ago was quite difficult as well. I used to, more often than not, miss it due to oversleeping however I found a, not conclusive, yet very effective solution to it.

Stop sleeping on the bed !! Couch, Floor etc etc sleep anywhere expect the bed and I think it would be much easier to wake up in Fajr.

 

[Suleiman]

Waking up for Fajr for me a couple of years ago was quite difficult as well. I used to, more often than not, miss it due to oversleeping however I found a, not conclusive, yet very effective solution to it.

Stop sleeping on the bed !! Couch, Floor etc etc sleep anywhere expect the bed and I think it would be much easier to wake up in Fajr.

That makes sense as extra comfort of the bed is more seductive. But no for me it is sleeping so late that I can't manage to get up for fajr. Like right now.

Ofc obvious solution is "sleep earlier, then". But the challenge is putting my laptop aside so there is nothing to distract me from going to sleep. It is my Achilles heel.

 

[Ahsan abbas]

Masha Allah............
May Allah Bless You. Stay blessed. Allah pak jjh May Perseverance You...........

 

[ataullah]

I will keep this short. Don't want to go into the details of my story but I have recently started listening to the Quran and am slowly starting fajr prayers too. I never stopped believing in Islam but I have not been practicing it the right way.

I want to hear other people's story as it may inspire me on (hopefully) my new journey till I die.

Mashallah may Allah keep you steadfast. You will see the peace, happiness and tranquillity inshallah as Allah has promised this in the following verse:
و من عمل صالحا من ذکر او انثی وھو مومن فلنحیینه حیات طیبہ

Whoever from male or female performs good deeds Allah will most definitely grant him a pure life.

And whoever turns away Allah declares:
و من اعرض عن ذکری فان لہ معیشہ ضنکا
Whoever turns away from the remembrance of Allah then for him is a tight lifeتنگ زندگی

People like saeed Anwar, junaid jamshed and Muhammad Yusuf have experienced this.

May Allah keep you steadfast

 

[Badsha]

Just curious, are you going through some difficult patch in your life?

I am actually not. Currently I am enjoying one of the best phases of my life. I just feel this is important and makes me feel better.

 

[UN talkz]

Waking up for Fajr for me a couple of years ago was quite difficult as well. I used to, more often than not, miss it due to oversleeping however I found a, not conclusive, yet very effective solution to it.

Stop sleeping on the bed !! Couch, Floor etc etc sleep anywhere expect the bed and I think it would be much easier to wake up in Fajr.

This applies to me as well... i have experienced this thing a lot.

 

[Syed1]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a revert? I only know of converts.

 

[Muhammad10]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a revert? I only know of converts.

According to Islamic theology, human beings are born with an innate inclination of tawhid (Oneness), which is encapsulated in the fitra along with compassion, intelligence, ihsan and all other attributes that embody what it is to be human. It is for this reason that some Muslims prefer to refer to those who embrace Islam as reverts rather than converts, as it is believed they are returning to a perceived pure state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitra

 

[DW44]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a revert? I only know of converts.

Muslims believe everyone is born a Muslim and go astray later so if someone converts to Islam, they're considered reverts since they're considered to be coming back to what they were originally. Don't think that's what OP means though, the term he's probably looking for is born again.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Since no one on this website even knows what I look like, I think I've been drifting away from religion recently. I don't know. Maybe its a phase, I hope it is. I was never ultra-religious, nor was my family but I had faith and I still do, but I feel like its weakening.

 

[Rayyman]

Since no one on this website even knows what I look like, I think I've been drifting away from religion recently. I don't know. Maybe its a phase, I hope it is. I was never ultra-religious, nor was my family but I had faith and I still do, but I feel like its weakening.

I can sort of tell by your posts. You tend to be extreme far-left on TP section and even a bit Islamophobic at times.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I can sort of tell by your posts. You tend to be extreme far-left on TP section and even a bit Islamophobic at times.

Does it really seem that way? Frankly, I had the same opinions even when I was praying 5 times a day. But maybe I'm giving off those vibes unconsciously.

 

[Ayesha7]

I will keep this short. Don't want to go into the details of my story but I have recently started listening to the Quran and am slowly starting fajr prayers too. I never stopped believing in Islam but I have not been practicing it the right way.

I want to hear other people's story as it may inspire me on (hopefully) my new journey till I die.

Assalamu alaikum.

Der aaye, durust aaye alhamdulillah.

It is from the ceaseless bounties of Allah that every single human being, Muslim or not, is given a chance to believe and reform, if time permits, right up to the time that he or she experiences the final pangs of death.

Allah Kareem, such unparalleled generosity from an Adoring Lord, granted to a believer and disbeliever alike.

Most of us have been there, done that, so on and so forth, so please know that you are not alone in your beautiful journey.
What matters is that each one of us realises, that not a single leaf moves without the leave of Allah. That your heart opened to this beautiful deen, is in reality an invitation to goodness, submission and ultimate success from your Oft Returning Lord.

Glad-tidings then..
For, as we sow here, so shall we reap there! In shaa Allah.

When I first came on pakpassion I chose to introduce myself with the most special, meaningful and life transforming event and experience of my entire life so far alhamdulillah. I hope and pray that it may benefit and inspire you in shaa Allah. May Allah love, bless, protect, heal, forgive, succour and above all guide us all. Aameen.

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Salamalaykom.

My brief story is not meant to bore anyone, but I hope and pray that it suffices as an introduction God-willing.

I was born in a very modern Muslim family and my parents lavished all their affection on my two elder brothers and myself in worldly matters. However, we never got a whiff of what it takes to be a Muslim except for the cultural and traditional aspects like celebrating Eid (without fasting or sacrificing of course) which was only about dressing up, visiting relatives and expecting our relatives and friends to shower us with we called Eidee (money gifted on Eid).

So much so, that I had no clue about even the basics like who our prophet pbuh was or the 5 pillars of Islam etc. We were brought up with a completely westernized mindset, and an environment that involved, being scantily dressed, dancing and mixing freely with the opposite sex, and pursuing the typical western dream in every which way.

It was only when I was in my mid-twenties and while visiting the house of a Jordanian friend that I came across a book of hadith and asked what it was. I was told that a hadith is a saying of our prophet pbuh and that the book was in fact a compilation of his sayings. This very sadly, was my first exposure to Islam, and yet, I now realize, a better late than never scenario.

I believe it was Allah’s will that I be guided aright alhamdulillah and this first exposure to Islam also ignited the very first spark of faith in my ignorant heart. The spark nevertheless, had such a great impact on me that I found it imperative to learn about this man who was supposedly the prophet of Islam, a faith I only claimed to adhere to.
I had a sudden urge to know all about his (pbuh’s) life and thus approaching a bemused book shop owner, demanded that I wanted access to the most authentic biography ever written on the life of Muhammed pbuh. He presented me with one called Sirat Un Nabi (pbuh) by Allama Shibli Naumani which came in two comprehensive volumes. Expressing my gratitude I then took the newly found treasure home only to remain glued to it for the next few days.

As I went from page to page with truth unfolding before me, Allah opened my heart to embrace and celebrate the life of a man sent as mercy to all mankind, and with the turning of every new page, tears rolled down my cheeks. Realizing that I would never be the same person again, I felt that a part of me that had been dead all along had now been awakened, aroused and indeed inspired. Upon reaching the end of the two volumes I knew that this was only the beginning of a beautiful journey ahead God willing.

Question upon question kept coming to mind, as I had now become eager to learn what it takes to be a true and practicing Muslim, after 25 years or more of merely having worn the label. It was during this newly acquired quest for truth and enlightenment within, that one night, as I lay asleep, I experienced an overwhelming dream. I dreamt that I was in this palatial mansion whose grandeur was second to none. My mother was busy preparing a meal in the kitchen and the next thing I knew…

Standing before me was a man, whose handsomeness was clearly indescribable. He wore a spotlessly white robe, his skin was fair and rosy, and his bearded face glowed like the moon. I recognized him not by looking at him, but by the beat of my heart. It was without a shadow of doubt my beloved prophet Muhammed peace be upon him.

Without further ado, (wanting to ask all those questions about Islam when wide awake) I heard these words escape my lips, “Ya Muhammed pbuh…”, as he cut me short and commanded, “Nikki,(my pet name) go perform your ablution and pray.” Once again I cried out, “But Muhammed pbuh…” and he repeated the same words. After yet another try was met with the same response, I proceeded to do my ablution in obedience.

Upon returning, I witnessed a rare sight to behold, as the blessed prophet pbuh lay reclined upon a lavish couch, with his head raised high on a silken pillow. The next thing I knew, his radiant face had broken into one of the most beautiful smiles… and it was then that I awoke.

What an awakening it has proved to be ever-since by God's grace. Come what may He is right by our side. So which of the favours of thy Lord will ye deny?

 

[Ayesha7]

I am actually not. Currently I am enjoying one of the best phases of my life. I just feel this is important and makes me feel better.

Little wonder then..

Only in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest (tranquillity)

 

[Suleiman]

Ma Sha Allah.

Ofc, many things for us to work on as an Ummah especially when it comes unity and looking out for each other, but Subhan Allah Islam continues to grow and blossom throughout the world no matter what.

Also hope you’re doing well @Badsha
Seeing that reminded me of this thread.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

One of my Parents is a muslim revert. Does that count.

 

[sweep_shot]

One of my Parents is a muslim revert. Does that count.

Ma sha Allah.

Amazing, brother.

 

[sweep_shot]

As far as religiosity goes, my life can be divided into 3 chapters:

Period #1 (1996-2004): I was quite religious. Alhamdulillah. Used to pray 5 times. Used to read Quran.

Period #2 (2004-2015): My personal dark age. I was away from the deen. I wasn't praying. I possibly went out of the fold of Islam. Not sure. Allah knows best.

Period #3 (2015-Present): I returned to deen again. I have been a practicing Muslim for the past 10 years. Alhamdulillah. Praying 5 times and doing other fard things.

So, it is possible I reverted in 2015 as my period #2 was my personal dark age. May Allah (SWT) forgive my shortcomings and keep me in the straight path.

 

[sweep_shot]

As far as religiosity goes, my life can be divided into 3 chapters:

Period #1 (1996-2004): I was quite religious. Alhamdulillah. Used to pray 5 times. Used to read Quran.

Period #2 (2004-2015): My personal dark age. I was away from the deen. I wasn't praying. I possibly went out of the fold of Islam. Not sure. Allah knows best.

Period #3 (2015-Present): I returned to deen again. I have been a practicing Muslim for the past 10 years. Alhamdulillah. Praying 5 times and doing other fard things.

So, it is possible I reverted in 2015 as my period #2 was my personal dark age. May Allah (SWT) forgive my shortcomings and keep me in the straight path.

So, how did I return to the deen in 2015? It was a fascinating transformation. My lifestyle changed 180-degree within a month (from an irreligious guy to a religious Muslim).

It was 2015 Ramadan. Everybody in my household was fasting and I wasn't. My younger brother asked me if I was fasting. I didn't want to lie. So, I fasted and told him I was fasting.

That fast changed me internally. I started to fast and pray. That gave me the spiritual momentum and I never looked back. I continued to fast and pray till this day. I am now a practicing Muslim; alhamdulillah.

In a nutshell, I returned to Islam in 2015 Ramadan and I have been continuing since then.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

As far as religiosity goes, my life can be divided into 3 chapters:

Period #1 (1996-2004): I was quite religious. Alhamdulillah. Used to pray 5 times. Used to read Quran.

Period #2 (2004-2015): My personal dark age. I was away from the deen. I wasn't praying. I possibly went out of the fold of Islam. Not sure. Allah knows best.

Period #3 (2015-Present): I returned to deen again. I have been a practicing Muslim for the past 10 years. Alhamdulillah. Praying 5 times and doing other fard things.

So, it is possible I reverted in 2015 as my period #2 was my personal dark age. May Allah (SWT) forgive my shortcomings and keep me in the straight path.

Excellent Points on the different phases regarding religion and the beliefs.

I myself was bought up in a household were religious practice was moderate at best. We had phases were it was non existent. My father a British Pakistani and Mother English/Welsh convert. They lived life to the full without integrating us siblings to any core beliefs till around 2010.

Around that time I began to follow islam with the believe of redemption. I learnt to pray and recite and understand the Qoran. The inner peace and character soothing experience i attained was beyond imaginable.

But over the last 5 years I've been very inconsistent in committing to regular pray. Work commitments have come to the fore, laziness has crept in. Finding the right balance for me is still the key.

 

[sweep_shot]

Excellent Points on the different phases regarding religion and the beliefs.

I myself was bought up in a household were religious practice was moderate at best. We had phases were it was non existent. My father a British Pakistani and Mother English/Welsh convert. They lived life to the full without integrating us siblings to any core beliefs till around 2010.

Around that time I began to follow islam with the believe of redemption. I learnt to pray and recite and understand the Qoran. The inner peace and character soothing experience i attained was beyond imaginable.

But over the last 5 years I've been very inconsistent in committing to regular pray. Work commitments have come to the fore, laziness has crept in. Finding the right balance for me is still the key.

Amazing story. Inspiring.

May Allah (SWT) keep us firm on the straight path. May Allah (SWT) doesn't make us return to the dark days of irreligiosity.

 

[Suleiman]

Every Muslim in this thread and on this forum no matter how close or how far you are from the straight path, be proud of who you are. We were given the honor and privilege to be guided. May Allah allow us to hold the rope of this faith firmly and never buckle to whatever trend or principle is around us no matter the temptation to buckle.

I know for those of you in the west, Halloween, Christmas etc are around the corner and that means a lot of polite declines to a lot of things- all good, be kind and polite but upfront, no need to feel bad. I know a lot of my “liberal” minded brothers are already getting uncomfortable, but it’s all good, I have to say the truth. This is not my or your religion. This is the religion of Allah SWT.

Always keep in mind, all of the prophets (peace be upon them all) were met with resistance from their people.

It is important we stay united and continue to help each other stay firm on the religion and continue to grow spiritually and intellectually in the faith and in worldly affairs. Go out there and make heck a lot of $$$$, career progress, marriage(s), children etc but with the remembrance of Allah at the forefront.

I am far from being the perfect Muslim, I don’t post all my shortcomings, but like everyone else am doing my best and In Sha Allah will continue to strive against my nafs.

Take care.
- Suleiman

 

[sweep_shot]

Every Muslim in this thread and on this forum no matter how close or how far you are from the straight path, be proud of who you are. We were given the honor and privilege to be guided. May Allah allow us to hold the rope of this faith firmly and never buckle to whatever trend or principle is around us no matter the temptation to buckle.

I know for those of you in the west, Halloween, Christmas etc are around the corner and that means a lot of polite declines to a lot of things- all good, be kind and polite but upfront, no need to feel bad. I know a lot of my “liberal” minded brothers are already getting uncomfortable, but it’s all good, I have to say the truth. This is not my or your religion. This is the religion of Allah SWT.

Always keep in mind, all of the prophets (peace be upon them all) were met with resistance from their people.

It is important we stay united and continue to help each other stay firm on the religion and continue to grow spiritually and intellectually in the faith and in worldly affairs. Go out there and make heck a lot of $$$$, career progress, marriage(s), children etc but with the remembrance of Allah at the forefront.

I am far from being the perfect Muslim, I don’t post all my shortcomings, but like everyone else am doing my best and In Sha Allah will continue to strive against my nafs.

Take care.
- Suleiman

Great post. Fully agree.

May Allah (SWT) make it easy for us.

 

[pillionrider]

Muslims believe everyone is born a Muslim and go astray later so if someone converts to Islam, they're considered reverts since they're considered to be coming back to what they were originally.

Well logically, everyone is born an atheist and their parents or the family/institution that raises them dripfeeds them religion.

Any atheist reverts here?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Excellent Points on the different phases regarding religion and the beliefs.

I myself was bought up in a household were religious practice was moderate at best. We had phases were it was non existent. My father a British Pakistani and Mother English/Welsh convert. They lived life to the full without integrating us siblings to any core beliefs till around 2010.

Around that time I began to follow islam with the believe of redemption. I learnt to pray and recite and understand the Qoran. The inner peace and character soothing experience i attained was beyond imaginable.

But over the last 5 years I've been very inconsistent in committing to regular pray. Work commitments have come to the fore, laziness has crept in. Finding the right balance for me is still the key.

Also Performed Pilgrimage (Hajj) in 2015.

 

[LordJames]

Well logically, everyone is born an atheist and their parents or the family/institution that raises them dripfeeds them religion.

Any atheist reverts here?

Your logic is incorrect and against evidence.

No, everyone is born on natural inclination which is to accept a creator and Atheism is against logic, philosophy, science and human nature.

Open a thread and own your beliefs and lets have a discussion otherwise STOP derailing a thread about Islam and Muslims.

 

[LordJames]

Excellent Points on the different phases regarding religion and the beliefs.

I myself was bought up in a household were religious practice was moderate at best. We had phases were it was non existent. My father a British Pakistani and Mother English/Welsh convert. They lived life to the full without integrating us siblings to any core beliefs till around 2010.

Around that time I began to follow islam with the believe of redemption. I learnt to pray and recite and understand the Qoran. The inner peace and character soothing experience i attained was beyond imaginable.

But over the last 5 years I've been very inconsistent in committing to regular pray. Work commitments have come to the fore, laziness has crept in. Finding the right balance for me is still the key.

As you well know, there are no issues whether someone is a "Born Muslim" or "Revert Muslim" from an Islamic perspective.

I would love to hear your thoughts from social and cultural perspective. What are the benefits and unique perspective do you belief that you have been granted due to your background in looking at events and issues around you?

Conversely, are there any disadvantages?

Growing up in England, you are pretty much surrounded by "Desi culture" so you may not be the right candidate for this question but love to hear your thoughts? If you were from backwater USA it would have been different...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Excellent Points on the different phases regarding religion and the beliefs.

I myself was bought up in a household were religious practice was moderate at best. We had phases were it was non existent. My father a British Pakistani and Mother English/Welsh convert. They lived life to the full without integrating us siblings to any core beliefs till around 2010.

Around that time I began to follow islam with the believe of redemption. I learnt to pray and recite and understand the Qoran. The inner peace and character soothing experience i attained was beyond imaginable.

But over the last 5 years I've been very inconsistent in committing to regular pray. Work commitments have come to the fore, laziness has crept in. Finding the right balance for me is still the key.

This is quite an inspiring story. I have a similar background in that I was not really brought up with much religion, neither parent mentioned it much. I am what you would call a secular Muslim, in that if I was asked which Muslim country would be ideal to live in, I would say Turkiye. But I do sometimes feel like something is missing, and Allah will hold me accountable on the day of judgement which means some work needs to be done. I'm like the student who skips lessons 50% of the time then expects to fly through exams.

 

[sweep_shot]

This is quite an inspiring story. I have a similar background in that I was not really brought up with much religion, neither parent mentioned it much. I am what you would call a secular Muslim, in that if I was asked which Muslim country would be ideal to live in, I would say Turkiye. But I do sometimes feel like something is missing, and Allah will hold me accountable on the day of judgement which means some work needs to be done. I'm like the student who skips lessons 50% of the time then expects to fly through exams.

Have imaan (faith), pray 5 daily prayers, fast entire Ramadan, pay zakat, and do Hajj. These are the 5 pillars of Islam.

These are the bare minimums. If you can do these, that is a nice foundation.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

This is quite an inspiring story. I have a similar background in that I was not really brought up with much religion, neither parent mentioned it much. I am what you would call a secular Muslim, in that if I was asked which Muslim country would be ideal to live in, I would say Turkiye. But I do sometimes feel like something is missing, and Allah will hold me accountable on the day of judgement which means some work needs to be done. I'm like the student who skips lessons 50% of the time then expects to fly through exams.

Dont worry bro. This is normal in so many households. We are no exceptions
Its what we've brought up in to. As long as you put the effort and try, you'll see hugh benefits, both character wise, and emotionally. The inner peace i got was unbelievable.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

As you well know, there are no issues whether someone is a "Born Muslim" or "Revert Muslim" from an Islamic perspective.

I would love to hear your thoughts from social and cultural perspective. What are the benefits and unique perspective do you belief that you have been granted due to your background in looking at events and issues around you?

Conversely, are there any disadvantages?

Growing up in England, you are pretty much surrounded by "Desi culture" so you may not be the right candidate for this question but love to hear your thoughts? If you were from backwater USA it would have been different...

I think as someone as mix race there are advantages both culturally and socially. It gives you a sense of balance with everything you see, everyone you interact with. Theres no sense of superiority complex and it gives you a better understanding.

We grew up in a predominantly white area which had desi Asian families sparsely.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Have imaan (faith), pray 5 daily prayers, fast entire Ramadan, pay zakat, and do Hajj. These are the 5 pillars of Islam.

These are the bare minimums. If you can do these, that is a nice foundation.

What i don't understand is why theres people who practice what you've mentioned above, (which i agree with)
Yet they look down on people who dont, as if they've committed a ultimate crime where there's no way out without accountability.

Everyone's Journey will have twists and tests according to their intentions.

 

[Rafale Nidhal Fan]

I will keep this short. Don't want to go into the details of my story but I have recently started listening to the Quran and am slowly starting fajr prayers too. I never stopped believing in Islam but I have not been practicing it the right way.

I want to hear other people's story as it may inspire me on (hopefully) my new journey till I die.

you're doing something most practicing muslims fail to do i.e. wake up for fajr prayer. bravo and keep pushing and starting your day by challenging yourself

 

[sweep_shot]

What i don't understand is why theres people who practice what you've mentioned above, (which i agree with)
Yet they look down on people who dont, as if they've committed a ultimate crime where there's no way out without accountability.

Everyone's Journey will have twists and tests according to their intentions.

Yeah. I personally don't look down on Muslims who are not very practicing. It is not my job to judge anyone; Allah (SWT) is the Ultimate Judge.

Only time I may care about these things is if I am looking for a potential spouse. I would prefer my wife to wear the hijab and do the basics minimum (i.e., 5 pillars). If a lady doesn't wear the hijab and/or doesn't pray, I wouldn't want her as my spouse.

Other than that, I mind my own business.

 

[sweep_shot]

Yeah. I personally don't look down on Muslims who are not very practicing. It is not my job to judge anyone; Allah (SWT) is the Ultimate Judge.

Only time I may care about these things is if I am looking for a potential spouse. I would prefer my wife to wear the hijab and do the basics minimum (i.e., 5 pillars). If a lady doesn't wear the hijab and/or doesn't pray, I wouldn't want her as my spouse.

Other than that, I mind my own business.

Again, just to clarify, it is for compatability reason. Not judging.

 

[sweep_shot]

Also Performed Pilgrimage (Hajj) in 2015.

Amazing, brother.

I also wish to do Hajj in the next 3-4 years. I am currently saving up.

 

[LordJames]

What i don't understand is why theres people who practice what you've mentioned above, (which i agree with)
Yet they look down on people who dont, as if they've committed a ultimate crime where there's no way out without accountability.

Everyone's Journey will have twists and tests according to their intentions.

Its called Pride and its a deadly sin.

 

[Suleiman]

What i don't understand is why theres people who practice what you've mentioned above, (which i agree with)
Yet they look down on people who dont, as if they've committed a ultimate crime where there's no way out without accountability.

Everyone's Journey will have twists and tests according to their intentions.

That is the test of those people and it’s unfortunate that they do that.

That is the thing with their progression in the deen is that shaitan is always doing his best to trip them and us up.

even when you’re progressing and becoming a better Muslim he is there to whisper to your ego and one of those whispers manifesting into ill action is looking down on others who are not as “practicing”- yet one action of sincerity from someone who is not as practicing can be accepted by Allah and they go to heaven, and the other person who is seemingly “practicing” on the outside and looking down on others may end up serving the severest of punishments. May Allah protect us from the latter.

 

[pillionrider]

Your logic is incorrect and against evidence.

No, everyone is born on natural inclination which is to accept a creator and Atheism is against logic, philosophy, science and human nature.

Open a thread and own your beliefs and lets have a discussion otherwise STOP derailing a thread about Islam and Muslims.

If faith and belief is based on something true, nothing can derail it

How about a thought experiment?

A child is born in the wild with no one to teach it any religion. How do you think it will perceive the world. Will it have Islam or any religion ingrained in it from birth. Or will it perceive everything around through logic and pattern recognition.

And if it's imaginative enough, maybe when it's grown up and wants to understand how the sun moves across the sky, it will create its own reason and gods to explain it.

Anyway, this will be my last post in this thread.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Out of topic, it's great to read about so many nice experiences.
What I want to ask is, "What to do when an ultra tough phase of life keeps extending with no signs of getting better?"
2018-2024 was a dark and extremely tough period in my life and there was time I had gone astray from some aspects of Islam (salah especially and stuff like fate, destiny, future, fairness, justice on a personal level etc).
The start of 2025 brought a breath of new lease of life and temporarily halted the bad stuff. But for last 1 month or so, I feel like another tough patch has started (i direly hope it's not the case). Things have been quite tough but have been holding myself to still be praying regularly, do zikr and praying for forgiveness. But sometimes, it becomes extremely hard to keep holding on without getting any relief while seeing all the unfairness and corruption around yourself while you are just there stunted.
If anyone has dealt with that, would like to know how did you overcome this? and what to do when you've reached your breaking point limit?

 

[sweep_shot]

What I want to ask is, "What to do when an ultra tough phase of life keeps extending with no signs of getting better?"
2018-2024 was a dark and extremely tough period in my life and there was time I had gone astray from some aspects of Islam (salah especially and stuff like fate, destiny, future, fairness, justice on a personal level etc).

As believers, we have to remember this world was never meant to be a perfect world. It was designed as a testing ground.

Here are some verses from Al-Quran which address your question:

Do people think once they say, “We believe,” that they will be left without being put to the test?
We certainly tested those before them. And ˹in this way˺ Allah will clearly distinguish between those who are truthful and those who are liars. (Surah Al-Ankabut, verses 2-3).

We will certainly test you with a touch of fear and famine and loss of property, life, and crops. Give good news to those who patiently endure— (Al-Baqarah, verse 155).

So, if something bad happens to me, I just remember these verses.

No matter what I go through (good or bad), I always have a "never give up" mindset.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If faith and belief is based on something true, nothing can derail it

How about a thought experiment?

A child is born in the wild with no one to teach it any religion. How do you think it will perceive the world. Will it have Islam or any religion ingrained in it from birth. Or will it perceive everything around through logic and pattern recognition.

And if it's imaginative enough, maybe when it's grown up and wants to understand how the sun moves across the sky, it will create its own reason and gods to explain it.

Anyway, this will be my last post in this thread.

This is an interesting thought. Would this child have parents? Because without them it would die within a few days.

 

[LordJames]

If faith and belief is based on something true, nothing can derail it

How about a thought experiment?

A child is born in the wild with no one to teach it any religion. How do you think it will perceive the world. Will it have Islam or any religion ingrained in it from birth. Or will it perceive everything around through logic and pattern recognition.

And if it's imaginative enough, maybe when it's grown up and wants to understand how the sun moves across the sky, it will create its own reason and gods to explain it.

Anyway, this will be my last post in this thread.

Why?

If you are so confident about your assertion and ideology then make stand your ground and back it up with evidence.

Secondly, before starting to discuss an issue understand what is being asserted.

1. I said "Belief in Creator" is natural and intrinsic and natural
2. Only a MORON observes the sun, the moon, the stars and heavens and concludes that it is a result of random chance and it is random happenstance which keeps it going!

 

[LordJames]

Out of topic, it's great to read about so many nice experiences.
What I want to ask is, "What to do when an ultra tough phase of life keeps extending with no signs of getting better?"
2018-2024 was a dark and extremely tough period in my life and there was time I had gone astray from some aspects of Islam (salah especially and stuff like fate, destiny, future, fairness, justice on a personal level etc).
The start of 2025 brought a breath of new lease of life and temporarily halted the bad stuff. But for last 1 month or so, I feel like another tough patch has started (i direly hope it's not the case). Things have been quite tough but have been holding myself to still be praying regularly, do zikr and praying for forgiveness. But sometimes, it becomes extremely hard to keep holding on without getting any relief while seeing all the unfairness and corruption around yourself while you are just there stunted.
If anyone has dealt with that, would like to know how did you overcome this? and what to do when you've reached your breaking point limit?

Very good question and this is just my opinion.

[2:155] And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient,
[2:286] Allāh does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity
[40:60] And your Lord says, "Call upon Me; I will respond to you.
[94:5-6] So, surely with hardship comes ease. Surely with ˹that˺ hardship comes ˹more˺ ease.

When I study the Qur'aan and Sunnah, I reach some inevitable conclusions which are as follows:

1. This life is not just temporary but also short and no matter what happens to me, it will end. It will end for those with no problems and it will end for those with problems​
2. My faith alone (as a Muslim) does not give me any right to success as opposed to a Christian, Hindu, Atheist in matters of this world, In fact, the world runs according to a predetermined set of rules and whoever works hard will taste success. So imagine I am the Captain of a Cricket Team and I have a bitter loss, I need to systematically and methodically study my failure and work to remove the failures to be successful, just praying or reading Qur'aan will not being me success on the Cricket Field, it may make me a better person but that's it.​
3. The more I profess (my Faith) the more I will be tested and the tests will be different in nature, intensity and types.​
4. My life is cyclic, there will be tests but that will be followed by two rounds of ease and then 1 test and then 2 rounds of ease. So every time I have a 1 problem, 2 rounds of easy life are around the corner​
5. The problems which I encounter will always be under my maximum threshold so it cannot reach my breaking point or my limit, it will drive me close to the edge but not beyond it​
6. Whenever I have a problem the most important thing for me is to make Dua and my Duas are always accepted but what I experience is that many times I make Dua and my problem remains so what is happening so how is my Dua always accepted?
   

   1. Sometimes my problem is solved​
   2. Sometimes my problem is lessened​
   3. Sometimes my current problem remains but some other issue is resolved whether I realise it or not.​
   4. If 1,2 & 3 doesn't work then it is stored for me for the day of Judgement​

6 is the most important for me, I need to cry my heart out and pour my issues to someone. To me, its more important then Zik'r.

As long as I am alive, I know that I will be going through these cycles and each cycle will bring me reward and I just need to keep going and going. I need to find motivation and everyone's motivation is different.