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Anyone else seeing Lance Klusener's 1999 spirit in Ben Stokes in the 2019 World Cup?

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Let’s stand up and appreciate this wonderful talent. He’s played phenomenal cricket and really deserves appreciation for it.

Last night also he looked possessed to take the game away from Sri Lanka, if he had some support from he other end he would have taken England home.

I have my money on Ben Stokes being a MOTT contender if he continues playing like this.

Can’t help but see a Lance Klusener in him this World Cup. The power, the desire, the seriousness, the ability it’s all there
 
I don’t really get the Klusener comparison as he was a bowling all rounder.

But I have always rated Stokes as a special player, ever since he got a century against a rampaging Mitchell Johnson in his second test match.
 
He looks to be in a great touch.

The « problem » with Stokes is that he very rarely make soft runs. He is not the kind to make a hundred in a run feast against Afghanistan. He plays important innings, scores important runs.
They needed someone in the first game vs South Africa, he stand up; needed someone yesterday and was there again. These is where he is so much better than the rest.

Can’t forgot that wonderful hundred against Australia in CT17.

He wasn’t bowling much before the World Cup, but his bowling seems to be getting better every match.

Top performer.
 
Robert said:
I don’t really get the Klusener comparison as he was a bowling all rounder.

But I have always rated Stokes as a special player, ever since he got a century against a rampaging Mitchell Johnson in his second test match.
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In the later half of his career he was a much better batsman and an okayish fast bowler.

Having said that, Klusener’s worth was beyond stats.

When Klusener smashed a raging Shoaib Akhtar all over the park in 1999 World Cup, the averages didn’t matter and it was priceless.

What a player he was and what phenomenal spirit he played with.

Very very dangerous and i reckon his 1999 World Cup run as the most memorable World Cup form of any player ever.

I am seeing that spirit in Ben.
 
Yesterday was the beginning of Ben Stokes world cup.
You will see the real Lion Heart Ben Stokes in upcoming 3 fixtures
Australia, India, New zealand.

Plus semi finals. Upcoming 4 matches will define his legacy.
 
Ben Stokes is a third grade, low quality bowler.

Klusener was a much better bowler and as good a batter.

Stokes is excellent and very capable as a batsman though!
 
Sarwar89 said:
Yesterday was the beginning of Ben Stokes world cup.
You will see the real Lion Heart Ben Stokes in upcoming 3 fixtures
Australia, India, New zealand.

Plus semi finals. Upcoming 4 matches will define his legacy.
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Yup kind of fearing Ben standing in our way. Only spin can contain him probably.

#5 is ideal position for him but against Indiani would send him ahead of Morgan at 4
 
Stokes is a magnificent cricketer. I can only laugh at people who call him overrated.
 
Mobashir said:
He looks to be in a great touch.

The « problem » with Stokes is that he very rarely make soft runs. He is not the kind to make a hundred in a run feast against Afghanistan. He plays important innings, scores important runs.
They needed someone in the first game vs South Africa, he stand up; needed someone yesterday and was there again. These is where he is so much better than the rest.

Can’t forgot that wonderful hundred against Australia in CT17.

He wasn’t bowling much before the World Cup, but his bowling seems to be getting better every match.

Top performer.
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He is under-utilised in this top-heavy English batting lineup. They are very consistent and more often than not, Roy, Bairstow, Root and Morgan do the bulk of the batting, and they end up promoting Buttler in the last 15-20 overs. Stokes is only allowed to shine when the top-order fails.

His ideal position is number four in my view, but he cannot bat there of course because of Morgan. I think as long as Roy is out, they would better off opening with Root and pushing Stokes to four, with Morgan playing at 3. However, then again, Vince always looks good at the crease and England are desperately hoping that one day it will come together for him and he will convert his pretty 20s and 30s into a big score.
 
When the pressure is well and truly on, Stokes is less likely to fail compared to the rest in this English middle order. Morgan is a nobody under pressure and to an extent even Butler isn’t proven.
 
But Stokes got smashed for four sixes in the WT20. That was a pressure moment and he failed miserably.

You don't bottle up a WT20 trophy like such.
 
Hawkeye said:
Ben Stokes is a third grade, low quality bowler.

Klusener was a much better bowler and as good a batter.

Stokes is excellent and very capable as a batsman though!
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Klusener took 80 test wickets at 38 each. Stokes has 127 at 32 so far. Klusener was the better ODI bowler though.
 
Robert said:
Klusener took 80 test wickets at 38 each. Stokes has 127 at 32 so far. Klusener was the better ODI bowler though.
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Talking about ODIs as the world cup is on.

I wouldn't ever trust Stokes with the ball, especially when the pressure is on or my team needs to win.

Batting, yes, I'll give that to him.
 
Ab Fan said:
But Stokes got smashed for four sixes in the WT20. That was a pressure moment and he failed miserably.

You don't bottle up a WT20 trophy like such.
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That is the only blot in his career so far but WI are a beast of a side in T20's wrt power hitting.
 
Klusener lacks longevity otherwise he will be GOAT ODI AR without a doubt.

Stokes can reach that level but still needs some time
 
Mamoon said:
Stokes is a magnificent cricketer. I can only laugh at people who call him overrated.
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He's a very good batsman, but still not the best of this era.

Players like Shakib Excel at both bowling and batting, ahead by some really good margin.
 
Hawkeye said:
He's a very good batsman, but still not the best of this era.

Players like Shakib Excel at both bowling and batting, ahead by some really good margin.
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Shakib is more a steady and consistent all-rounder, but Stokes is more of a high impact player. Shakib is like Kallis and Stokes is like Botham.
 
Hawkeye said:
He's a very good batsman, but still not the best of this era.

Players like Shakib Excel at both bowling and batting, ahead by some really good margin.
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Shakib is not in the same league of Stokes, Flintoff.
 
Shakib has already won Man of the match for wins against West Indies and South Africa in this World Cup. In addition to this, he scored a brilliant century vs England as well.

It's absurd to say that Shakib is not in the same league as Stokes when the fact is the opposite of the same.

Shakib has established himself as the next great all-rounder of the era after Jacques Kallis and Stokesy still has some way to go.
 
Who is Lance Klusener? checked his stats, he is nowhere near Sir Ben Stokes :don

Man of the tournament should be Hardik Pandya, his cameos are something even Maxwell couldn't do against better teams.
 
Yes

And Ben stokes to screw up a semi final or final against India hopefully like Klusener did against Oz !!
 
Hawkeye said:
Talking about ODIs as the world cup is on.

I wouldn't ever trust Stokes with the ball, especially when the pressure is on or my team needs to win.

Batting, yes, I'll give that to him.
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In real cricket (tests) klusener wasnt fit to shine stokes boot
 
Sarfaraz showed Stokes who is the boss in CT 2017 semi final when Stokes scored a dull 34 off 64 balls and also got out, leading England to a defeat on the hands of Pakistan.
 
Ab Fan said:
Shakib has already won Man of the match for wins against West Indies and South Africa in this World Cup. In addition to this, he scored a brilliant century vs England as well.

It's absurd to say that Shakib is not in the same league as Stokes when the fact is the opposite of the same.

Shakib has established himself as the next great all-rounder of the era after Jacques Kallis and Stokesy still has some way to go.
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stokes have one man of match award too in worldcup against SA .He has 3 more games to go where as yesterday he was unlucky to miss out on another match winning inning
 
saeed5646 said:
stokes have one man of match award too in worldcup against SA .He has 3 more games to go where as yesterday he was unlucky to miss out on another match winning inning
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Stokes has 1 MOM.
Shakib has 2.

Stokes has zero hundred.
Shakib has 2.

Shakib has a 75 outside that as well vs SA.
 
Ab Fan said:
Stokes has 1 MOM.
Shakib has 2.

Stokes has zero hundred.
Shakib has 2.

Shakib has a 75 outside that as well vs SA.
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Shakib is batting at 3 whiles Stokes rarely gets time in the middle because of the consistency of the top four, and Buttler is regularly promoted above him as well. Stokes has come good twice in this World Cup when others around him have stuttered. It is unfair to compare their productivity because Shakib gets far more exposure as number 3 batsman.
 
Hawkeye said:
Talking about ODIs as the world cup is on.

I wouldn't ever trust Stokes with the ball, especially when the pressure is on or my team needs to win.

Batting, yes, I'll give that to him.
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They don’t give him the last overs these days, he bowls a few in the middle. They have better death bowlers now.
 
Shafi said:
Another hype player!!! How many matches he won for England.
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Pandya is the most hyped allrounder not Stokes. Shakib, Holder and Stokes are all real allrounders. Angelo Matthews used to be a good allrounder too but his performance declined and he is worse than even Thisara Perera. :inti
 
Had to be a special ball to remove Stokes today and it was.
 
Just talking about the batting: he is a better batsman than Klusener surely but Klusener was known for his finishing, and on that front Stokes is not at Klusener's level yet, but he definitely knows how to score runs when it matters. The top 3 finishers in my own view are Michael Bevan, Klusener and MS Dhoni, probably in that order.
 
Deserves to win the World Cup. His team is letting him down. Pity.
 
Good inning. He has come a long way after the WT20 loss and has been a fighter all through this World Cup.

In contrast, Buttler has been a disappointment in the middle order. While this is not the end for England but they need runs from Jos to get back on track enroute to the final stages of the WC.
 
He is having a excellent tournament. It’s a shame some of his team mates don’t have his character and heart.
 
Decent innings but whats the point if he cant take his team close.

You can say what you want about his teammates and how good the ball was etc, but in two consecutive matches, he has failed to take his team over the line.
 
Forum363 said:
Decent innings but whats the point if he cant take his team close.

You can say what you want about his teammates and how good the ball was etc, but in two consecutive matches, he has failed to take his team over the line.
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Last match he was last man standing

Today it took an unplayable stunner of a quick reverse swinging Yorker to get him out.

Stupid comments
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Last match he was last man standing

Today it took an unplayable stunner of a quick reverse swinging Yorker to get him out.

Stupid comments
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Just because I don’t match your views, doesnt make my comments stupid.

I am not denying that he hasnt played well, his team has flopped or that the ball was a great one - simply that for all the hype he has not been able to win his team the game twice in a row now.

Ben Stokes is what he has always been - a brilliant (arguably the worlds best) fielder, a very good batsman and a club level/ part time bowler. If you add in his anger issues, his off field problems and the fact that he always looks like he is about to get a serious injury, it makes for a decent but very overrated cricketer.

The english pundits have made him out to be the best all rounder on the planet and someone who wins matches all the time and ‘always gives 100%’ etc.

This thread is making him out to be a lone hero but its irrelevant. Cricket is a team sport and should be judged by the team results - especially in a world cup. His team have lost and they may well exit the competition. What good would his efforts have been then.
 
Good point. Ben Stokes to England has been what AB de Villiers had been to South Africa.

Poor attitude, issues with management and someone who has mastered the art of performing, yet losing in big tournaments like World Cup.
 
Very impressed with Ben this tournament and perhaps he should go in at four. He is playing bravely but runs out of support.
 
Forum363 said:
Just because I don’t match your views, doesnt make my comments stupid.

I am not denying that he hasnt played well, his team has flopped or that the ball was a great one - simply that for all the hype he has not been able to win his team the game twice in a row now.

Ben Stokes is what he has always been - a brilliant (arguably the worlds best) fielder, a very good batsman and a club level/ part time bowler. If you add in his anger issues, his off field problems and the fact that he always looks like he is about to get a serious injury, it makes for a decent but very overrated cricketer.

The english pundits have made him out to be the best all rounder on the planet and someone who wins matches all the time and ‘always gives 100%’ etc.

This thread is making him out to be a lone hero but its irrelevant. Cricket is a team sport and should be judged by the team results - especially in a world cup. His team have lost and they may well exit the competition. What good would his efforts have been then.
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He already has 127 test wickets and I expect him to double that.
 
Another match winning effort from Ben.

He is a definite contender for MOTT in my opinion.

It’s not about how big you go but about ge change you bring
 
Fate was not with Klusenar and South Africa that day, today it was with Stokes though.

Both were brave enough.
 
Stokes seemed destined for all this when I made this thread. I genuinely saw it coming and he definitely gave the vibe of the unstoppable Lance Klusener of 1999.

Amazing that he took this clutch Odi form into test cricket as well to play one of the greatest knocks of all time
 
stokes has become a different player over the past year or so. loo more matured and thought process seems more clear.
 
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