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Amid the coronavirus pandemic which originated from Wuhan, several companies are looking to move out of China. Tech giant Apple is planning to shift nearly one-fifth of its production capacity from China to India. As per reports, Apple's senior executives and Indian government's top-ranking officials have discussed the move over the last few days.

The iPhone makes is currently looking to scale up its local manufacturing revenues. Amid the pandemic, Apple is seeking alternatives to China for shifting its production. An official familiar with the matter told Economic Times (ET) that Apple is looking to scale its local revenue to $40 billion over the next five years.

https://www.timesnownews.com/busine...-india-eying-40-billion-export-revenue/590043

It will be a good move for Indian economy. Also, a first of many step of global boycott of Chinese market
 
"As per reports"

"Sources said"

"It is rumoured that"

We're always just talk. Wake me up when an iPhone is actually made here, if ever and whenever Apple actually goes through all the sarkari hassles to set up a facility here.
 
If there is one thing that Coronavirus has exposed it is the fact that no amount of FDI ultimately helps the poor. Capitalist economies thrive on exploitation of low wage labour to make the richest 1% richer.

Trillions of dollars lying in forex reserves that I once used to feel proud of as a kid growing up, mean nothing when the poorest did not even get anything from it in their worst phase.
 
"As per reports"

"Sources said"

"It is rumoured that"

We're always just talk. Wake me up when an iPhone is actually made here, if ever and whenever Apple actually goes through all the sarkari hassles to set up a facility here.

There is a global anger against China Varun. So if AAPL wants to move its production in India, dont think there will be much sarkaari hassle.

Also its being reported in foreign media. Just have a read at their comment section what people think about chinese products:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tion-China-India-coronavirus-disruptions.html

Also, I think we need to come out of old mindset of "wont happen, cant happen" etc. We are one of the fastest growing country along with Brazil and got enormous potential to start producing global commodities.

Read the below Varun:

India looks to lure more than 1,000 American companies out of China

https://m.economictimes.com/news/ec...mpanies-out-of-china/articleshow/75595400.cms

This ain't 1960s and China's cold war threat dont affect us anymore. Just wait for few years , most chinese companies will be out from mainland China.
 
The only reason OP sahab posted this news here is to boast and to satisfy his ego and inferiority complex. Sadly for him, his own compatriots cut him to size. Oopsie :broad:
 
Who would buy the new iphones though? Probably 75% of the world is now much poorer and this trend may continue for a while
 
An average Indian buys a phone of Rs 10,000 to 20,000(most of China brands).
 
An average Indian buys a phone of Rs 10,000 to 20,000(most of China brands).
I am surprised if that is the buying power of the average Indian. I thought it would be lower.

I am pretty sure that figure would be lower in Pakistan.
 
Two countries battling to provide slave labour for American manufacturers, and we are talking about rule?

China has developed now into more than an American manufacturer. They are innovators and are developing companies that can rival the American counterparts. What has India got? Meek soldiers who get beaten by civilians?
 
The only reason OP sahab posted this news here is to boast and to satisfy his ego and inferiority complex. Sadly for him, his own compatriots cut him to size. Oopsie :broad:

It's good that many Indians are realizing their country's true worth as each day passes. I don't mean it in an insulting way. It is important for them to understand where they stand and how insignificant they are in a larger perspective. Basically they're seen as cattle which buys anything that is marketed well (cricket, TV, movies, brands, etc).
 
It's good that many Indians are realizing their country's true worth as each day passes. I don't mean it in an insulting way. It is important for them to understand where they stand and how insignificant they are in a larger perspective. Basically they're seen as cattle which buys anything that is marketed well (cricket, TV, movies, brands, etc).

I don't think they are realising it. That is the reason you get so much pride being taken in becoming a third world production line for Apple. That was my point in my first post in this thread.
 
I don't think they are realising it. That is the reason you get so much pride being taken in becoming a third world production line for Apple. That was my point in my first post in this thread.

I guess it is easy to realize and judge what needs to be taken as pride and what is an embarrassment when you have a proven track record of making amazing business,economic and financial decisions on a large scale . If you clarify on that maybe we can revisit your original point and note key takeaways.
 
Read the below Varun:

India looks to lure more than 1,000 American companies out of China

https://m.economictimes.com/news/ec...mpanies-out-of-china/articleshow/75595400.cms

This ain't 1960s and China's cold war threat dont affect us anymore. Just wait for few years , most chinese companies will be out from mainland China.

What was stopping us from doing this pre-Covid? Why did we fail?

And what has really changed in Chinese economic competitiveness post-Covid? As long as they can assemble an iPhone for cheaper in a factory that can be set-up quicker by workmen who can be paid lesser, they win. More so if the factory in question is already up and running and switching costs are prohibitive.
 
As long as cost of manufacturing in China is less than India, they will keep ruling Indian markets. So many small businesses in India import stuff from China. Contrary to what bhakhts believes this won't be stopped overnight. We can't even take care of our labourers and pay them salaries and we are thinking of beating China in manufacturing lol. :inti
 
What was stopping us from doing this pre-Covid? Why did we fail?

And what has really changed in Chinese economic competitiveness post-Covid? As long as they can assemble an iPhone for cheaper in a factory that can be set-up quicker by workmen who can be paid lesser, they win. More so if the factory in question is already up and running and switching costs are prohibitive.

Let me put back the question to you?

Do you really think that no Indian entrepreneurs tried to compete with Chinese manufacturers pre-covid or have any kind of exposure to how to bid and get contracts because they never really tried?

Let me simplify here , there is a bias against China right now for what is happening around us. Is it fair or not is a different debate and now what’s so unique if some Indian companies try to see a gap and take advantage? Isn’t that part and parcel of running a business. So I am pretty sure the corporates,Chinese and Indian companies all do a certain amount of groundwork that addresses all the points before bidding for contracts don’t you think?

However there is some truth to what you say that in the end big firms will go with who will offer more for less but it isn’t as black and white either ways.
 
This covid pandemic is a good lesson in terms of Supplychain issues and side affects of globalisation. Diversification of the Manufacturing base is needed.

It will be good if the news is true, as this will provide a source of income to poor in India.
 
As long as cost of manufacturing in China is less than India, they will keep ruling Indian markets. So many small businesses in India import stuff from China. Contrary to what bhakhts believes this won't be stopped overnight. We can't even take care of our labourers and pay them salaries and we are thinking of beating China in manufacturing lol. :inti

In terms of Infrastructure investment, efficiency and business minded approach (i.e ruthless direction and no labour union complexities) China is miles ahead of most western countries.

I went to Shanghai in 2009 and even at that time it looked modern and better equipped than UK and US. Chinese were installing high speed internet lines to remote corners of the country. A month after returning from China, i happened to visit US east coast and cities like NYC and Philadelhia really felt outdated and stuck in 70s.

Now in 2020 China would be even more advanced. They are now expanding belt and road initiatives to various parts of the world. Already running freight trains from China’s east coast all the way to Europe.
 
As long as cost of manufacturing in China is less than India, they will keep ruling Indian markets. So many small businesses in India import stuff from China. Contrary to what bhakhts believes this won't be stopped overnight. We can't even take care of our labourers and pay them salaries and we are thinking of beating China in manufacturing lol. :inti

No one is trying to overtake them, they are very good at what they do but you sound like we shouldn’t even try to compete and just give in. Very 90s India after Sachin got out behavior.

While Bhakts defn are arrogant but no point in being submissive either, whoever plays their cards right, India was a terrible in 1989 that they missed it after Tiananmen square.

Places like Tamil Nadu have always backed manufacturing and that’s why states like TN,MH,Guj can stand.
 
Let me simplify here , there is a bias against China right now for what is happening around us. Is it fair or not is a different debate and now what’s so unique if some Indian companies try to see a gap and take advantage?

It's still unclear how China's 'crime' of not reporting the pandemic before it became a worldwide phenomenon going to bite back at them in any economic sense. If anything, they are the first country to return to normal and their factories are humming while our fantasy labourers-to-be are literally walking across states to their villages possibly never to return to the likes of Mumbai/Pune, leave alone make iPhones.

How can we win here, especially when there is no end to our own Covid crisis in sight?

I went to Shanghai in 2009 and even at that time it looked modern and better equipped than UK and US. Chinese were installing high speed internet lines to remote corners of the country. A month after returning from China, i happened to visit US east coast and cities like NYC and Philadelhia really felt outdated and stuck in 70s.

Pretty much. Especially compared to India, China's infrastructure leaves us in the dust. They can build an expressway in the time it takes for an Indian Railways trundler to crawl from Coimbatore to Rajkot.
 
Lol. Just after my last post I did a casual Google search on the much coveted Train-18 and this is the latest article that I found:

The Integral Coach Factory (ICF) here that was tasked with manufacturing 720 coaches for operating 45 Vande Bharat Express trains across the country in December 2019 is yet to finalise tenders and award work for commencing the ambitious project.

The ongoing lockdown is expected to further delay the project since railways’ coach-making factories are shut. The Railway Board has confirmed that the lockdown has caused 12.5% loss of annual production capacity in workshops/production units.

The success of the project triggered a turf war between the Mechanical and Electrical Engineering departments on the ownership of the train resulting in allegations of compromise on safety, procedural flaws and one company being favoured. This led to a vigilance enquiry and transferring out of top officials of Team Train18. The Railway Board sent the design back to the drawing board for safety clearances even as Train18 ran without any issue.

A proposal to import the complete train sets from foreign manufacturers evoked stiff resistance from political parties, senior officials and other stake holders who questioned the reasoning behind going global when there was indigenous technology in-house.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...ns-may-be-delayed-further/article31666428.ece

There you go. The Indian economy in a nutshell.
 
Despite the increasing labor cost in China, is India's labor comparatively that much cheaper than China? In addition, Apple (or any MNC) will need to invest millions just to build the facilities and shift the supply chain.

But I think they are looking long term and trying to reduce their dependence on China. Whether it be Vietnam, Philippines, or India.
 
In times of RPA (Robotic Process Automation) backed by AI, i dont think labour intensive industries will provide too much future prospect to the countries with cheap cheap labour.
 
Apple to reopen about 100 stores in US

Apple Inc has said it plans to reopen about 100 stores in the United States, most with curbside pickup but some with walk-in service.

Apple shuttered stores around the world as the novel coronavirus pandemic spread but has slowly opened them again, saying it examines local health data to make decision on a store-by-store basis.

Earlier this month, the company reopened a handful of stores in Alaska, Idaho and Alabama.
 
Despite the increasing labor cost in China, is India's labor comparatively that much cheaper than China? In addition, Apple (or any MNC) will need to invest millions just to build the facilities and shift the supply chain.

But I think they are looking long term and trying to reduce their dependence on China. Whether it be Vietnam, Philippines, or India.

Americans elected Donald Trump to bring manufacturing back to the US ultimately. If they are looking to eventually rely less on foreign supply chains, I don't think they will want to invest too heavily in India either. Maybe on some temporary lines, but then Apple would probably prefer to just stay in China for the short to medium term.
 
we discussed this in the other thread, but its quite clear now china is done and US will move manufactering out of it, taiwan, thai, vietnam, india will benefit
 
No one is trying to overtake them, they are very good at what they do but you sound like we shouldn’t even try to compete and just give in. Very 90s India after Sachin got out behavior.

While Bhakts defn are arrogant but no point in being submissive either, whoever plays their cards right, India was a terrible in 1989 that they missed it after Tiananmen square.

Places like Tamil Nadu have always backed manufacturing and that’s why states like TN,MH,Guj can stand.

Lol once again you should start living in India first to experience and observe it. Chinese products are everywhere not to mention Indian youth who is promoting Chinese products through Dropshipping using websites like AliExpress. You will find cheap chinese products like toys, led bulbs, electronic items everywhere in India. Local businesses import it from China. Do some research first. I wasn't wrong when I said trade between India and China won't be stopped overnight.

India is a major importer of Chinese products. In 2019, India imported such Chinese goods as mechanical, electrical and chemical products, base metals, plastics, rubber, textiles, furniture and toys, according to China's Ministry of Commerce.

Bilateral trade rose 1.6 percent year-on-year to 639.52 billion yuan ($90.5 billion) in 2019, according to Chinese customs data. China's exports to India stood at 515.63 billion yuan, up 2.1 percent on a yearly basis, while imports from the South Asian country stood at 123.89 billion yuan, down 0.2 percent.

"Trade between countries is based on the market demand, and cost-effective goods and services from China will help drive the modernization of India," said Lan.

"I found many 'boycott Chinese products' phrases online, but Indians around me don't show such an obvious tendency," a Chinese businessman in Bombay who prefers to be anonymous told the Global Times on Wednesday.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1185003.shtml

I know you are sitting abroad and feeling pumped hearing about this but we are living in India so we know a thing or two about what's happening in our country currently right? :inti
 
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Lol once again you should start living in India first to experience and observe it. Chinese products are everywhere not to mention Indian youth who is promoting Chinese products through Dropshipping using websites like AliExpress. You will find cheap chinese products like toys, led bulbs, electronic items everywhere in India. Local businesses import it from China. Do some research first. I wasn't wrong when I said trade between India and China won't be stopped overnight.



https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1185003.shtml

I know you are sitting abroad and feeling pumped hearing about this but we are living in India so we know a thing or two about what's happening in our country currently right? :inti

Didn’t say anything about trade here...and I don’t feel pumped reading daily mail, as Varun mentioned unless the factory is set up anything can occur.. till then its just a tabloid nonsense.

My point was about giving up to compete, not sure why you had to write all that when I already know China is better than us, my point was on not even trying to compete just coz they are better.
 
It's still unclear how China's 'crime' of not reporting the pandemic before it became a worldwide phenomenon going to bite back at them in any economic sense. If anything, they are the first country to return to normal and their factories are humming while our fantasy labourers-to-be are literally walking across states to their villages possibly never to return to the likes of Mumbai/Pune, leave alone make iPhones.

How can we win here, especially when there is no end to our own Covid crisis in sight?



Pretty much. Especially compared to India, China's infrastructure leaves us in the dust. They can build an expressway in the time it takes for an Indian Railways trundler to crawl from Coimbatore to Rajkot.

China’s crime is not eating bats- that’s their culture their problem

Neither is it manufacturing a virus in a lab because that is just a conspiracy theory.

However when the virus situation was blowing up, they let international travel without proper measures or checks and balances which is the result of what is happening in the world today.

While most countries or governments suffer from incompetence, that never resulted in a world wide pandemic.

So yes there is an opening there for other countries that have the infrastructure in place to take advantage of the opening.

India and some East Asian countries would definitely try to take advantage of it. If not they should.

As far as migrant laborers are concerned, yes the situation could have been handled better but this situation is Unfortunately more like a collateral damage that has been magnified.

Out of 1.3 billion population can you tell me they volume of the migrant laborers? Not saying they should be ignored but you can just hold that as your thesis for why india would not be capable or competent enough to take over some manufacturing projects.

Also you underestimate the Indian corporates. They are different from the government. Sure government policies and corporates go hand in hand however tasting success in a free market economy is not this unique thing that is unheard of.

We saw the language barriers and became the leaders in service sector didnt we ? Don’t you think China has better software programmers than India?

It all comes down to taking advantage of political situations and other variables which are the foundation of any business model.

Not sure why you find this so surreal.
 
Apple already manufactures Iphones in India.

Ofcourse some people dont know it and few others are having the sour grape attitude.

Will that stop India from trying to bring as much as of the business that leaves China to India. No.
 
Didn’t say anything about trade here...and I don’t feel pumped reading daily mail, as Varun mentioned unless the factory is set up anything can occur.. till then its just a tabloid nonsense.

My point was about giving up to compete, not sure why you had to write all that when I already know China is better than us, my point was on not even trying to compete just coz they are better.

Factory is set up? So Apple or its contract manufacturers dont have factories in India?
 
The stories about Apple and it’s manufacturing plants is nothing to be proud of but hey at least Apple will have a lower cost of manufacturing than before for us Americans
 
The stories about Apple and it’s manufacturing plants is nothing to be proud of but hey at least Apple will have a lower cost of manufacturing than before for us Americans

You think moving production to India would bring down the manufacturing cost?
 
Even madcap Subramanian Swamy was laughing about India trying to take over China's manufacturing. But we have Whatsapp specialists like [MENTION=151383]Local.Dada[/MENTION] trying to sell the Indian dream here.

Also you underestimate the Indian corporates.

The only person here underestimating them is you - living abroad despite your soul-stirring love for your motherland. Come back and join them. Or better still, Make In India. Give a startup a shot. If you dare. If you can :)

Also please ask your friends to stop spamming us on Whatsapp. And tell the ones in India to start their boycott of China by uninstalling Paytm.
 
Amid the coronavirus pandemic which originated from Wuhan, several companies are looking to move out of China. Tech giant Apple is planning to shift nearly one-fifth of its production capacity from China to India. As per reports, Apple's senior executives and Indian government's top-ranking officials have discussed the move over the last few days.

The iPhone makes is currently looking to scale up its local manufacturing revenues. Amid the pandemic, Apple is seeking alternatives to China for shifting its production. An official familiar with the matter told Economic Times (ET) that Apple is looking to scale its local revenue to $40 billion over the next five years.

https://www.timesnownews.com/busine...-india-eying-40-billion-export-revenue/590043

It will be a good move for Indian economy. Also, a first of many step of global boycott of Chinese market

An opportunity exists, let’s see if India can capitalize on it.

If the central and state governments give assurance to investors that their investments will be protected and use access to the large Indian market as an incentive, we could be successful.
 
apple do have a small manufacturing factory in india, but thr main plant in china.

india cannot compete with china in terms if quality - as already you buy Chinese phones for a reason- and thy hold the biggest mobile sector-coming in over 60% in total.

Nokia closes it plant in india:

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A good move and I hope everyone follow suit not to India specifically but I think regional HQ can be in india but also diversify the countries but the countries should be middle level type of economies like Indonesia, Bangladesh with western styled court systems with due process

This should have happened years ago cause the way Chinese were stealing the tech was epic
 
A good move and I hope everyone follow suit not to India specifically but I think <b> regional HQ can be in india </b>but also diversify the countries but the countries should be middle level type of economies like Indonesia, Bangladesh with western styled court systems with due process

This should have happened years ago cause the way Chinese were stealing the tech was epic

Why that?
 
Even madcap Subramanian Swamy was laughing about India trying to take over China's manufacturing. But we have Whatsapp specialists like [MENTION=151383]Local.Dada[/MENTION] trying to sell the Indian dream here.



The only person here underestimating them is you - living abroad despite your soul-stirring love for your motherland. Come back and join them. Or better still, Make In India. Give a startup a shot. If you dare. If you can :)

Also please ask your friends to stop spamming us on Whatsapp. And tell the ones in India to start their boycott of China by uninstalling Paytm.
Always thaught they were so quick to boycott Pak but why not China? They are doing way more damage than us
 
Win for Indian workers, Win for Apple stakeholders (lower costs) and Win for consumers (lower prices).

In short term, it will cost money to shift production. In long-term, I am not sure if there will be any cost saving otherwise move would have happened long time back.

Incentive for this planned move is not cost saving. It's to diversify manufacturing base. Many companies are going to shift out of China. Not toatly, but they will take 15-20% of capacity in different countries. All developing countries, including Pakistan, should try to grab a good chunk of this future move.
 
In short term, it will cost money to shift production. In long-term, I am not sure if there will be any cost saving otherwise move would have happened long time back.

Incentive for this planned move is not cost saving. It's to diversify manufacturing base. Many companies are going to shift out of China. Not toatly, but they will take 15-20% of capacity in different countries. All developing countries, including Pakistan, should try to grab a good chunk of this future move.

exactly, many people think they will lower cost because labour is cheaper in india, it doesnt do anything, you cant get cheaper manufactering than china, because of the currency manipulation they do by buying tbills.
 
Pablo Escobar’s brother is suing Apple for $2.6bn after alleging his iPhone X was hacked through FaceTime.

The deceased Colombian drug kingpin’s brother, Roberto Escobar, claims he was sent a threatening letter from someone named Diego who had obtained his address and other information through the video call function.

According to a lawsuit filed on Tuesday, seen by The Independent, Mr Escobar visited an Apple store in Medellin, Colombia, in April 2018, where he bought an iPhone X after being assured by a staff member that it was the most secure phone on the market at the time.

The documents claim Mr Escobar told the employee he needed a device which was “not vulnerable to any known or unknown exploits” because attempts had been made on his life in 2010 and 2014.

However within less than a year of owning the phone, Mr Escobar became concerned for his and his family’s safety after allegedly receiving the threatening letter.

He claims he did some internet research and found the FaceTime function had a known vulnerability.

As a result, he says he has had to spend “substantial amounts of time and money” relocating his family to a new home and upping their security measures to protect them from “future attempts on his life”.

Mr Escobar says he is still concerned for his safety to this day, especially because he does not know how much of his personal information the hacker possesses.

He is now suing Apple for breach of contract, claiming the company “failed to provide a phone free of exploits”, negligence/negligent misrepresentation, and negligent infliction of emotional distress.

It comes as Mr Escobar has begun selling refurbished gold-plated iPhones for $499 in competition with Apple through his company Escobar Inc.

The company’s website describes the “official Escobar gold 11 pro smartphone” as an original 256 GB Apple iPhone 11 pro that has been 24K gold plated.

It says the device is the “real Apple killer phone”, adding: “Rest In Peace Apple, Pablo always wins.”

Mr Escobar’s brother, Pablo Escobar, was head of the Medellin Cartel, which he founded in Colombia in the 1970s.

He was shot dead on a rooftop in December 1993, the day after his 44th birthday, as he attempted to flee police.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...hacked-facetime-robert-colombia-a9536656.html
 
Oppo, Vivo, Redmi, Realme all of them are chinese phones. People here love them. Just check the number of phones they sell in India. No one is going to boycott them. People in India love cheap and reliable phones which companies like Redmi and Vivo are providing.

Indian companies like Micromax, Intex, Lyf make funny phones. Once you buy them and use it for few days you immediately wants to return them back lol. :inti
 
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Oppo, Vivo, Redmi, Realme all of them are chinese phones. People here love them. Just check the number of phones they sell in India. No one is going to boycott them. People in India love cheap and reliable phones which companies like Redmi and Vivo are providing.

Indian companies like Micromax, Intex, Lyf make funny phones. Once you buy them and use it for few days you immediately wants to return them back lol. :inti

According to you, is there anything good in India?
 
Apple tracks looters who stole iPhones

Apple has seen stores in Los Angeles, New York, Philadelphia, San Francisco and Washington, D.C. attacked with looters stealing boxed iPhones from the tech giant’s stores. Those who take the phones, however, will be greeted with an onscreen message from Apple when they turn the devices on. “This device has been disabled and is being tracked. Local authorities will be alerted.”

https://retailwire.com/apple-tracks-looters-who-stole-iphones/
 
Apple tracks looters who steal iPhones

iPhones stolen in lootings of Apple stores in the US are tracked, disabled and the local authorities notified, according to messages displayed on their screens.

Apple has temporarily closed some of its US stores following a series of attacks, amid protests over the death of George Floyd.

Several images of the warnings have been shared on social media.

Apple said that it did not comment on "security matters".

It is not clear whether the company has passed on the location of stolen devices to any police forces.

It has long been rumoured that the devices on display in Apple stores have software installed so that they can be tracked if any are stolen.

Pictures on social media confirm this. One image of a device posted to Twitter showed the message: "Please return to Apple Walnut Street. This device has been disabled and is being tracked. Local authorities will be alerted."

The store in Philadelphia was among those attacked and looted.

Purchased devices do not have such software on them but they can be remotely locked by Apple if they are subsequently stolen or lost.

The firm had only recently started reopening stores following the easing of lockdowns around the country but a series of raids in Washington DC, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York and Philadelphia has forced them to shut again.

Chief executive Tim Cook has told employees in a memo that the killing of Mr Floyd, a black man killed by a white police officer, was "senseless" and has pledged to donate to human rights groups.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52903677
 
Foxconn is planning to invest USD 1 billion in India to start manufacturing some other models of iPhones apart from XR as per reports.


https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3964662

Pichai is coming through for India. After his commitment to have Google invest Rs. 75,000 crores in India, we need Nadella to step up and match PIchai.

"Google to invest Rs 75,000 crore in India, says CEO Sundar Pichai"

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...t-extremely-fruitful/articleshow/76936235.cms
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[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] - Excellent news indeed. Few Indians are unhappy and calling Sundar Pichai bhakt in twitter for the below tweet :inti

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoogleForIndia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoogleForIndia</a> we announced a new $10B digitization fund to help accelerate India’s digital economy. We’re proud to support PM <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a>’s vision for Digital India - many thanks to Minister <a href="https://twitter.com/rsprasad?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@rsprasad</a> & Minister <a href="https://twitter.com/DrRPNishank?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DrRPNishank</a> for joining us. <a href="https://t.co/H0EUFYSD1q">https://t.co/H0EUFYSD1q</a></p>— Sundar Pichai (@sundarpichai) <a href="https://twitter.com/sundarpichai/status/1282598821504016386?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] - Excellent news indeed. Few Indians are unhappy and calling Sundar Pichai bhakt in twitter for the below tweet :inti

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoogleForIndia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoogleForIndia</a> we announced a new $10B digitization fund to help accelerate India’s digital economy. We’re proud to support PM <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a>’s vision for Digital India - many thanks to Minister <a href="https://twitter.com/rsprasad?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@rsprasad</a> & Minister <a href="https://twitter.com/DrRPNishank?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DrRPNishank</a> for joining us. <a href="https://t.co/H0EUFYSD1q">https://t.co/H0EUFYSD1q</a></p>— Sundar Pichai (@sundarpichai) <a href="https://twitter.com/sundarpichai/status/1282598821504016386?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

In my Desh Bhakt is a good thing.
 
It’s a good initiative. But hopefully these investments should help people from all economic backgrounds. If it just helps the already highly paid white collared workers then not much value
 
[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] - Excellent news indeed. Few Indians are unhappy and calling Sundar Pichai bhakt in twitter for the below tweet :inti

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoogleForIndia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoogleForIndia</a> we announced a new $10B digitization fund to help accelerate India’s digital economy. We’re proud to support PM <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a>’s vision for Digital India - many thanks to Minister <a href="https://twitter.com/rsprasad?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@rsprasad</a> & Minister <a href="https://twitter.com/DrRPNishank?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DrRPNishank</a> for joining us. <a href="https://t.co/H0EUFYSD1q">https://t.co/H0EUFYSD1q</a></p>— Sundar Pichai (@sundarpichai) <a href="https://twitter.com/sundarpichai/status/1282598821504016386?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This man is an idiot.
I mean where is the sense of helping kids in the states where is the money where we develop our own kids to do these things instead of relying on others, why dont we spent those billions of dollars on helping out kids in the inner city who are shooting themselves up into oblivion
take money from US (suck the resources like leeches) and spend it on another country and grow their economies but most of it keep it in your pockets
these IT companies are worse than Walmart at least they keep the jobs in the US
 
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Why doesn't Apple diversify more? They can shift production capacity to Pakistan, Bangladesh, Maldives etc.
 
This man is an idiot.
I mean where is the sense of helping kids in the states where is the money where we develop our own kids to do these things instead of relying on others, why dont we spent those billions of dollars on helping out kids in the inner city who are shooting themselves up into oblivion
take money from US (suck the resources like leeches) and spend it on another country and grow their economies but most of it keep it in your pockets
these IT companies are worse than Walmart at least they keep the jobs in the US

1. Google is not a charity. It is a business which produces things which people want to buy. It benefits the larger economy by the money spent by its well paid workers, and by the taxes it pays and its well paid workers paid. As it is a business and not a charity, it is going to invest in countries where it believes it will earn a good return on its investment.

2. Walmart keeps a lot of badly paid jobs in the US. It however sources the stuff it sells from China. After manufacturing moved to China, it left many formerly well paid workers without jobs.
 
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What about Bangladesh, Nepal, Maldives etc.? Why put everything in China and India?

One should be really positive about Bangladesh outlook. I think they will be a major economy in Asia in coming decade. They are open to foreign investments and have that can do attitude. Some of factors like lack of quality labour force and infrastructure might be blocking them to realise their full potential. As long as they don’t drown themselves in debt in pretext of unnecessary infrastructure, they should do good.
Maldives is probably limited by its size of population but can still offer quality.
 
1. Google is not a charity. It is a business which produces things which people want to buy. It benefits the larger economy by the money spent by its well paid workers, and by the taxes it pays and its well paid workers paid. As it is a business and not a charity, it is going to invest in countries where it believes it will earn a good return on its investment.

2. Walmart keeps a lot of badly paid jobs in the US. It however sources the stuff it sells from China. After manufacturing moved to China, it left many formerly well paid workers without jobs.
Moving your production to different countries is a recipe for disaster as history shows from Ottomans to British and countless other superpower empires

Know ofcourse business people are short sited and don't have the vision that a government have so for tham cutting down costs is everything (which in turns come back and bite tham in the back)

So by and large it's the job of the government to keep these businesses on leesh when it comes to "investing" in foreighn countries but it just makes my blood boil (as any patriotic person's should) when I see money mostly made from us is getting invested into forieghn lands instead of building up our own infrastructure

Know ofcourse its a business and they only look at their side but it won't stop my anger at tham but mostly on these crooked "globalist" politicions

I don't think how building up another countries tech infrastructure can help us

It's beyond me tbh
 
Moving your production to different countries is a recipe for disaster as history shows from Ottomans to British and countless other superpower empires

Know ofcourse business people are short sited and don't have the vision that a government have so for tham cutting down costs is everything (which in turns come back and bite tham in the back)

So by and large it's the job of the government to keep these businesses on leesh when it comes to "investing" in foreighn countries but it just makes my blood boil (as any patriotic person's should) when I see money mostly made from us is getting invested into forieghn lands instead of building up our own infrastructure

Know ofcourse its a business and they only look at their side but it won't stop my anger at tham but mostly on these crooked "globalist" politicions

I don't think how building up another countries tech infrastructure can help us

It's beyond me tbh

No company is putting money to build tech infra in India or anywhere else. All they want is to capture ecosystem. Chinese companies invested 4-5B in tech companies in India to recreate what worked in China. It was not done to help India. It was to capture ecosystem and shape it up to your advantage.

Now China investment should be bit slow due to conflict, but eventually it will pick up. Also, Google has not given any time line, so per year investment may not be that big.

30-40% of earning of many large S&P 500 comanies comes from outside US. It can't come unless they invest. It's better for US companies to capture market rather than becoming insular and let others capture it.
 
Why doesn't Apple diversify more? They can shift production capacity to Pakistan, Bangladesh, Maldives etc.

It's Foxconn, not Apple. Foxconn is Taiwan based.

Such large scale investments are dependent on many factors and years of negotiations with multiple stake holders.
 
Now this news:

Google may put $4 billion into India's Reliance Jio, months after Facebook invested $5.7 billion

Google may invest up to $4 billion in disruptive, popular Indian internet firm Jio Platforms, according to Bloomberg.

Jio Platforms, a subsidiary of Indian conglomerate Reliance Industries, is India's biggest mobile operator, with a subscriber base of 369.93 million and more than 30% market share. Jio Platforms also comprises a suite of apps, including Zoom rival JioMeet and streaming service JioSaavn.

Google is expected to confirm the investment in the coming weeks, according to the report.

The funding would follow a slew of Google initiatives in India. CEO Sundar Pichai recently held a video call with Indian prime minister Narendra Modi, and announced a $10 billion investment into the country.

https://www.businessinsider.com/google-invest-billions-india-telecoms-reliance-jio-2020-7
 
Yup terrific news, especially excited by the Google one. There is a lot of scope for enhancing the Tech scene in the country and we have the manpower. Hope this can lead to further RnD investment from others now.
 
Big mistake. India is letting American tech companies build their monopoly in their own country. The chinese built their own tech giants and they are now even leading American tech companies in some areas.
 
Yup terrific news, especially excited by the Google one. There is a lot of scope for enhancing the Tech scene in the country and we have the manpower. Hope this can lead to further RnD investment from others now.

Thing is, unless the political spectrum of the country is good and leadership is in correct hand, global giants like FB and Google will never invest. Despite attempts by few to malign the current establishment and how India is becoming fascist country etc., world is not willing to buy this narrative. Major multinational companies believes in Modi's vision of digital India and willing to pump money into the ecosystem. Thats what an honest, able and articulate statesman does...it reshapes the fate of the country. Then compare it with all the loot maari that happened under Congress era.
 
Big mistake. India is letting American tech companies build their monopoly in their own country. The chinese built their own tech giants and they are now even leading American tech companies in some areas.
Trust blind and illiterate bhakts to spin it to suit their communal narrative. Btw what happened to atmanirbhar bharat now?
 
Sundar Pichai [MENTION=136699]sundar[/MENTION]pichai

Today at #GoogleForIndia we announced a new $10B digitization fund to help accelerate India’s digital economy. We’re proud to support PM [MENTION=140582]Naren[/MENTION]dramodi’s vision for Digital India
- many thanks to Minister @rsprasad & Minister @DrRPNishank for joining us.
 
Apple has been told it will not have to pay Ireland €13bn (£11.6bn) in back taxes after winning an appeal at the European Union's second highest court.

It follows a record ruling by the European Commission against the US tech giant in 2016.

The EU's General Court said it had annulled that decision because the Commission had not proven Apple had broken competition rules.

It is a blow for the EU which wants to crack down on alleged tax avoidance.

However, it has the right to appeal the decision to Europe's highest court, the European Court of Justice.

"This case was not about how much tax we pay, but where we are required to pay it," Apple said in a statement. "We're proud to be the largest taxpayer in the world as we know the important role tax payments play in society."

Irish EU court appeal on Apple tax ruling
The Irish government - which had also appealed against the ruling - said it had "always been clear" Apple received no special treatment.

"The correct amount of Irish tax was charged... in line with normal Irish taxation rules."

The European Commission brought the action after claiming Ireland had allowed Apple to attribute nearly all its EU earnings to an Irish head office that existed only on paper, thereby avoiding paying tax on EU revenues,

The commission said this constituted illegal aid given to Apple by the Irish state.

Tax crackdown
However, the Irish government argued that Apple should not have to repay the taxes, deeming that its loss was worth it to make the country an attractive home for large companies.

Ireland - which has one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the EU - is Apple's base for Europe, the Middle East and Africa.

In Wednesday's ruling, the Luxembourg-based General Court sided with that position, saying there was not enough evidence to show Apple was given preferential treatment.

The ruling could spell bad news for EU efforts to crack down on other cases of alleged corporate tax avoidance.

European Competition Commissioner Margrethe Vestager has spent much of her time in office campaigning against tax schemes she argued were anti-competitive.

However, last year she lost a case against Starbucks which was accused of owing €30m in back taxes to the Netherlands. Rulings over Ikea and Nike's tax arrangements in that country are also due soon.

Jason Collins, partner and head of tax at law firm Pinsent Masons, said: "Apple's victory shows that European courts are unwilling to call beneficial tax regimes state aid, even when designed to attract foreign investment - provided they apply the rules consistently.

"This will be a very welcome outcome for other multi-nationals who have been watching this case closely."

However, he said Brussels was likely to appeal and EU efforts to tackle tax avoidance would continue.

"We expect the EU to continue applying pressure in this area," he said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53416206
 
This man is an idiot.
I mean where is the sense of helping kids in the states where is the money where we develop our own kids to do these things instead of relying on others, why dont we spent those billions of dollars on helping out kids in the inner city who are shooting themselves up into oblivion
take money from US (suck the resources like leeches) and spend it on another country and grow their economies but most of it keep it in your pockets
these IT companies are worse than Walmart at least they keep the jobs in the US

Actually this was also announced as well which is what is needed in States,considering the college degree being unaffordable, these are real value stuff not remarks in air.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/13/google-announces-certificates-in-data-project-management-and-ux.html

His Indian 10B is more of an business decision , FB invested 5.7 billion in India too via JIO.
 
No company is putting money to build tech infra in India or anywhere else. All they want is to capture ecosystem. Chinese companies invested 4-5B in tech companies in India to recreate what worked in China. It was not done to help India. It was to capture ecosystem and shape it up to your advantage.

Now China investment should be bit slow due to conflict, but eventually it will pick up. Also, Google has not given any time line, so per year investment may not be that big.

30-40% of earning of many large S&P 500 comanies comes from outside US. It can't come unless they invest. It's better for US companies to capture market rather than becoming insular and let others capture it.

Well said!
 
Trust blind and illiterate bhakts to spin it to suit their communal narrative. Btw what happened to atmanirbhar bharat now?

We are not ready yet for full on tech innovation due to education system issues.. Atmanirbhar is more of a slogan you know that as well for the gullible.

With online education and ability to let go of marks and RPA this could lead to next generation creative levels, also with Masters issues across the world now many might decide to stay in India.

I was seeing a video yesterday of UIpath the RPA giant as to how even Max Hospitals is actually utilizing them now, this is amazing considering we never really applied so much IT in our own companies, so things are changing consumers demanding more..
 
We are not ready yet for full on tech innovation due to education system issues.. Atmanirbhar is more of a slogan you know that as well for the gullible.

With online education and ability to let go of marks and RPA this could lead to next generation creative levels, also with Masters issues across the world now many might decide to stay in India.

I was seeing a video yesterday of UIpath the RPA giant as to how even Max Hospitals is actually utilizing them now, this is amazing considering we never really applied so much IT in our own companies, so things are changing consumers demanding more..
Yeah, we've come a long way on tech front.

See I'm not a tech guy and is WFH for last 4 months due to obvious reasons and I'm so happy to see the extent of progress in technology which enables us to WFH so seamlessly. Looks like I was just wasting my time travelling to my office (and such expensive fuel) when everything could be done more efficiently while sitting comfortably in my home environs.
 
Also, a word about my kids' online classes. Even though nothing can replace the beauty of classroom teaching and that the consistently looking at screens isn't any good for kids.

Still you gotta hand it over to the technology which enables such seamless experience of lessons being imparted in such effective way by the teachers.

In Delhi, we see regular closures of schools due to pollution, extreme winters/summers. These online classes could go a long way in negation of those unnecessary holidays.
 
The potential is enormous for us in tech. I firmly believe that. I go back to my college every year or so for the annual fest and the kind of projects the guys are coming up with is mind blowing. They keep raising the bar with some extremely complex stuff.

To add to this my 7 year old niece is learning to code to build an app along with her classmates, this was unheard of at my time growing up here. If the right investments are made we can catch up to the top nations in the area. People might thinks its too much, but technology used right can really accelerate us. It happened in Chess, when Indian households got their hands on PCs, and the game moved towards computers dominating theories and tactics. We are seeing numerous youth Indian GMs coming through, when that was hardly the scene through the 90s and 00s.
Indians in general are built to withstand competition just due to our sheer numbers and if the approach is right then just the massive numbers will mean we achieve something here. Only thing we lack is a thriving tech entrepreneural culture and a sustainable environment across the country for that. Until that happens all the help we can get through FDIs is welcome.
 
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