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Are Apple products overrated?

Always used Android phones mainly, when I looked for the top dog at the time it was between the 12 and s20, it should have been a no brainer to own the s20 but when I lived with it for a bit, it kept overheating for minor activities so I didn’t go with that though I think the s21 improved on much of its flaws when it came oug. The 12 largely has been great to use and intuitive, but every now and then I have to turn the wifi off/on for it to work which is pathetic even after IOS updates. I intend to keep it for a while though and will see what I go for next.

I do like the fold/flip innovation, Apple are likely to copy Samsung or whoever came up with it, lets see if they are able to improve on it
 
I’m pretty sure that there are plenty of people who believe that Apple’s UX is great but that’s not the impression I get.

Recently in my YouTube feed I found a summary of what Apple said in their June 2024 world conference. Feel free to correct me but at a high level they are basically giving users yesterday’s technology at tomorrow’s price.

Key points were:

- iOS 18 will allow more customisation than ever before… clearly Apple themselves realise people need the option to.
- Apple will introduce more AI across the board - something that other companies like nVidia have been working on for years.
- Apple being apple are calling AI >>> Apple intelligence.
- Apple TV will start giving information about actors on screen…I know Amazon Prime has had this for years.
- A new calculator with pencil support…I’m shocked that this was worthy of mention
- The ability to snap/lock tabs/windows on screen…Android and Windows have had this for years.

If Apple are so good with their products and UX , why are they so far behind and why are they just copying everyone else and that too making it seem like they are the trendsetters.

Watch their conference and tell me I’m wrong.
I believe Google releases features on a whim to see what sticks. I know this is not a definitive statement, backed up without evidence and just an opinion formed after experiencing Android interface several times.

When it comes to UX or any other features, Google seems to want to release it quickly because they want to appear cutting edge. Apple is always far behind because their philosophy is different. Their focus is on stability. They probably take 10 times longer to do testing, regression testing, and such so make sure the feature is rock solid. Don't get me wrong, they still have flaws, humans are flawed overall so their products will always have flaws but Apple tries to do its homework before releasing a new enhancement and that's why they are always behind.

By the way just out of curiosity, how much of a difference is there in price between flagship Apple phones and other Android phones? From what I remember seeing, Samsung phones are almost as expensive if not more than Apple.

If your gripe is only about their notebooks and desktops, yeah I agree they are over priced but the phones..... I am not so sure. The actual price tag for the flagship phones is very similar these days
 
Apple devices are fast as far as I have used and compared them with the android devices but when it comes to price, storage ( no expandable thing), customization and battery life, apple products do tend to lag behind.
I think most vendors are shying away from expandable storage now, (at least the marquis ones)

Battery life is also up and down with most phones.... not just apple. I think expandable storage is a lot over nothing. Everything is stored in the cloud now, as it should be. Local high storage without cloud backup means you are at risk of losing everything if the device crashes. I typically don't like keeping much stuff on the actual device itself. if you lose your phone or it crashes, its all gone.
 
I believe Google releases features on a whim to see what sticks. I know this is not a definitive statement, backed up without evidence and just an opinion formed after experiencing Android interface several times.

When it comes to UX or any other features, Google seems to want to release it quickly because they want to appear cutting edge. Apple is always far behind because their philosophy is different. Their focus is on stability. They probably take 10 times longer to do testing, regression testing, and such so make sure the feature is rock solid. Don't get me wrong, they still have flaws, humans are flawed overall so their products will always have flaws but Apple tries to do its homework before releasing a new enhancement and that's why they are always behind.

By the way just out of curiosity, how much of a difference is there in price between flagship Apple phones and other Android phones? From what I remember seeing, Samsung phones are almost as expensive if not more than Apple.

If your gripe is only about their notebooks and desktops, yeah I agree they are over priced but the phones..... I am not so sure. The actual price tag for the flagship phones is very similar these days
Phones are much closer and I can say the Apple are more reasonably priced according to the market but still slightly overpriced. Samsung are definitely overpriced - they're now doing in my opinion what Apple did a few years ago and I believe this will cause many of their potential customers to move.

Desktops and Laptops is where I really have to raise my issues again and in the Desktop field it's so bad and it's always been so bad. I'll come back to you another time when I have a chance with some examples on this.
 
Phones are much closer and I can say the Apple are more reasonably priced according to the market but still slightly overpriced. Samsung are definitely overpriced - they're now doing in my opinion what Apple did a few years ago and I believe this will cause many of their potential customers to move.

Desktops and Laptops is where I really have to raise my issues again and in the Desktop field it's so bad and it's always been so bad. I'll come back to you another time when I have a chance with some examples on this.

If you look at the purpose behind expensive MAC desktops you will see why they are still around and why they are still being bought. They are for high end users, graphic designers, content creators, etc. Apple is really popular amongst them and these guys are by no means technically behind or don't know what they are buying. They know exactly what they are paying for.


For everything else, Windows based desktops are probably better. In the corporate environment, Windows still rules and you don't see too many employers using Apple.
 
If you look at the purpose behind expensive MAC desktops you will see why they are still around and why they are still being bought. They are for high end users, graphic designers, content creators, etc. Apple is really popular amongst them and these guys are by no means technically behind or don't know what they are buying. They know exactly what they are paying for.


For everything else, Windows based desktops are probably better. In the corporate environment, Windows still rules and you don't see too many employers using Apple.
Completely false.

As I said a few times already. Desktops are the one field that matters most to me so I spent hours on end every few weeks researching for various parts as I'm always looking to upgrade. Upgrading parts in a Mac is that really an option? To upgrade storage or memory you'd be looking at a minimum of 8x the cost you'd be paying if it were a Windows based PC.

Come back to Desktops.

If it's gaming you're after then Windows all day every day and twice on a Sunday. There's simply no comparison. It's not just the gaming performance but the wider community and wider options that are available.

If it's low end tasks like browsing or using office etc then I would just go for the some cheap laptop as that'll do the job plenty fine. Heck I'd say you could get away with a 10 yr old machine for that.

But if it's production you're after then it's still Windows/Linux based systems 9 times out of 10. I say this because it depends on exactly the software you're using. I've run benchmarks in the last year for some of the key software our department uses. Only After Effects and Photoshop performance is comparable (1-2%) when benchmarking the high end Mac Pros with the high end Windows systems and that's most likely because of the unified architecture - these products really thirst for memory.

For every other software we've tested Apple gets buried - it's not even close. Houdini on RHEL and CentOS destroys it on Windows which in turn destroys it on iOS. C4D, Redshift, Blender, Maya, DaVinci Resolve and Premier Pro were anywhere between 20% and 300% faster on Windows depending on exactly what was being done. Most of the time the performance matters the most during rendering and so systems which have a powerful CPU and GPU will do better.

There are some products which are locked to particular OS for example Nuke, Solidworks or Final Cut so you can't benchmark but no doubt at best based on the results for the other products at best Macs wouldn't come close as these are also CPU intensive applications.

Conclusion: Macs only compare with Windows/Linux systems with memory intensive applications. For every other application they are not even close. Apple is charging significantly more for their systems - I don't think they are worth it and everyone in the industry using them is wrong.
 
Have a think about this.

To upgrade storage to 8TB in the latest Mac Pro you'd have to pay £2200! To upgrade to 8TB in a linux or windows based system you'd have to pay £485. See links below:

If you wanted to upgrade to 4TB, then you'd be looking at £1000 on a Mac and under £200 for a Windows/Linux system. Which content creators could sit there and honestly justify these ridiculous prices for significantly less performance?
 
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So based on this comment, one must conclude that with Apple you're not paying the higher price for the product itself but rather product + support. In that case the question then becomes would Apple be able to compete with the competition if the competition offered support? I doubt it. Apple products are not just overpriced they are staggeringly overpriced.

Right now a Mac Pro base level machine is selling for £7000! You could build equally powerful PCs yourself for less than half. My guess is that any Ryzen 7 5000x system paired with a RTX 4090 would bury the Mac Pro and you'd have £4k change for whatever you like, maybe the customer support that Apple offers?
But you are not paying top dollar for the phone or the support.

Apple users are actually paying for the ecosystem and the experience it delivers, which is why the hardcore Apple fans will buy a 7K Mac Desktop, just to integrate it into the Apple ecosystem.
 
If you look at the purpose behind expensive MAC desktops you will see why they are still around and why they are still being bought. They are for high end users, graphic designers, content creators, etc. Apple is really popular amongst them and these guys are by no means technically behind or don't know what they are buying. They know exactly what they are paying for.


For everything else, Windows based desktops are probably better. In the corporate environment, Windows still rules and you don't see too many employers using Apple.
Those aren't the reason why Mac are bought. It simple as, why WhatsApp still popular even when telegram is better. Same reasoning.
 
Completely false.

As I said a few times already. Desktops are the one field that matters most to me so I spent hours on end every few weeks researching for various parts as I'm always looking to upgrade. Upgrading parts in a Mac is that really an option? To upgrade storage or memory you'd be looking at a minimum of 8x the cost you'd be paying if it were a Windows based PC.

Come back to Desktops.

If it's gaming you're after then Windows all day every day and twice on a Sunday. There's simply no comparison. It's not just the gaming performance but the wider community and wider options that are available.

If it's low end tasks like browsing or using office etc then I would just go for the some cheap laptop as that'll do the job plenty fine. Heck I'd say you could get away with a 10 yr old machine for that.

But if it's production you're after then it's still Windows/Linux based systems 9 times out of 10. I say this because it depends on exactly the software you're using. I've run benchmarks in the last year for some of the key software our department uses. Only After Effects and Photoshop performance is comparable (1-2%) when benchmarking the high end Mac Pros with the high end Windows systems and that's most likely because of the unified architecture - these products really thirst for memory.

For every other software we've tested Apple gets buried - it's not even close. Houdini on RHEL and CentOS destroys it on Windows which in turn destroys it on iOS. C4D, Redshift, Blender, Maya, DaVinci Resolve and Premier Pro were anywhere between 20% and 300% faster on Windows depending on exactly what was being done. Most of the time the performance matters the most during rendering and so systems which have a powerful CPU and GPU will do better.

There are some products which are locked to particular OS for example Nuke, Solidworks or Final Cut so you can't benchmark but no doubt at best based on the results for the other products at best Macs wouldn't come close as these are also CPU intensive applications.

Conclusion: Macs only compare with Windows/Linux systems with memory intensive applications. For every other application they are not even close. Apple is charging significantly more for their systems - I don't think they are worth it and everyone in the industry using them is wrong.
I don't think you are still grasping the basic crux of my argument. I am not debating the benchmarking you mentioned here. I am talking about the "ease" of use here. And bear in mind when I write the term "use" I am not just talking about using the keyboard and mouse to use something. I am talking about the overall usage experience over the lifecycle of a product.

Macs have always been the go to machines for graphic designers. This is not my opinion, its a fact. You can look it up. You can chalk it down to someone just "paying" for the ecosystem, or some other reason, but this fact is not refutable. Apple's market share for PCs shipped in the US has been fairly steady, around 15-20%. They are the third largest shippers. All this data proves they have a market base even four their expensive desktops.

At the end of the day, a product is overpriced in some people's views because it does not meet some benchmarking tool and for some the price tag is justified for their own reasons. You cannot keep making these blanket statements.
 
Those aren't the reason why Mac are bought. It simple as, why WhatsApp still popular even when telegram is better. Same reasoning.
I think this is a bit of oversimplification and insulting the intelligence of a subset of users in the USA at least who make up for close to 20% of the overall marketbase. MACs are the go to computers for graphic designers. You can look it up. They use Apple desktops for a living and are not some teenagers simply buying them out of peer pressure or for the same of showing off, etc.
 
Have a think about this.

To upgrade storage to 8TB in the latest Mac Pro you'd have to pay £2200! To upgrade to 8TB in a linux or windows based system you'd have to pay £485. See links below:

If you wanted to upgrade to 4TB, then you'd be looking at £1000 on a Mac and under £200 for a Windows/Linux system. Which content creators could sit there and honestly justify these ridiculous prices for significantly less performance?
If you want to upgrade the peripherals or components for Apple desktops yourself for cheap, you can buy the parts and upgrade them yourself like you would any windows PC and you don't have to pay extra. You only pay extra if you have to pay Apple.

I have upgraded RAM and hard drives on Mac minis on my own probably tens of times in the past before I decided to switch to Chromebook.

So I fail to see your point.
 
But you are not paying top dollar for the phone or the support.

Apple users are actually paying for the ecosystem and the experience it delivers, which is why the hardcore Apple fans will buy a 7K Mac Desktop, just to integrate it into the Apple ecosystem.
Ecosystem, ease of use, support, marriage of hardware/software, upgradeability, all factors that are interconnected in a way and the reasons why apple fanboys exist. Allows users to have a more appliance like experience.
 
I think this is a bit of oversimplification and insulting the intelligence of a subset of users in the USA at least who make up for close to 20% of the overall marketbase. MACs are the go to computers for graphic designers. You can look it up. They use Apple desktops for a living and are not some teenagers simply buying them out of peer pressure or for the same of showing off, etc.
I didn't say about peer pressure or showing off.

It's about compatibility issue in an enterprise.
 
As Apple headset reaches Europe, will VR ever hit the mainstream?

To get a sense of the public interest in the Vision Pro, Apple's very high-tech, very expensive virtual reality (VR) headset - finally launched in the UK and Europe on Friday - where better to head than one of its own stores?

In the past, people camped outside Apple branches overnight, so desperate were they to get their hands on the tech giant's latest product.

When I went to its branch in central London on Friday morning, though, there was just a small group, mainly comprised of men, waiting for the doors to open.

Partly, that's because people these days prefer the convenience of pre-orders.

But it also perhaps tells us something about the question that continues to hang over the VR headset market: will it ever escape the realm of tech aficionados and go truly mainstream?

Apple's plan to make its product break through is to position it as a product you use to do the stuff you already do – only better. Home videos become 3D-like, panoramic photos stretch from floor to ceiling, 360 degrees around you. Apple keeps reminding me it calls this “spatial content”. Nobody else does. Plenty suck their teeth at the Vision Pro's price though - a whopping £3,499.

Facebook owner Meta has been watching Apple’s approach closely. It’s been in the VR game a long time. At a recent demo for the Meta Quest 3, which has been available in the UK since 2023, the team was very keen to talk to me about “multi-tasking” – having multiple screens in action at once. In a demo I had a web browser, YouTube and Messenger in a line in front of me. “We always did this, we just didn’t really talk about it,” one Meta worker told me.

And in its most recent advertisement, a man wears a Quest 3 to watch video instructions while building a crib. Not the most exciting concept, perhaps, but it shows just how Meta wants people to see its tech.

Oh - and it costs less than £500.

Apple and Meta are the two big players but VR is a crowded market - there are dozens, maybe hundreds, of different headsets already out there.

But what unites them all is none have quite hit the mainstream.

Up until now, the Vision Pro has only been on sale in the US - research firm IDC predicts it will shift fewer than 500,000 units this year.

Meta, which has been in the market longer, does not release sales data for the Quest either but it's thought to have sold around 20 million worldwide.

VR headsets are nowhere near as ubiquitous as tablets, let alone mobile phones.

And it gets worse - George Jijiashvili, analyst at market research firm Omdia, said of those devices sold, many are abandoned.

“This is largely due to the limited in-flow of compelling content to keep up engagement,” he said.

But of course lack of content leads to reduced interest - and a reduced incentive for developers to make that content in the first place.

"It's a chicken and egg situation," Mr Jijiashvili told the BBC.

Alan Boyce, the founder of mixed reality studio DragonfiAR, warned that early adopters of the Vision Pro would have to “be patient” while more content arrived.

That's where the Quest 3 wins out for him - it already has a "robust library" of games, and it can perform virtual desktop tasks just like the Vision Pro.

And IDC analyst Francisco Jeronimo says we should not be too quick to write off a slow start for Apple’s new product.

“There’s always the expectation that Apple with every single product will sell in the millions straight away, there’s always the comparison with the iPhone,” he said.

But the reality is even the iPhone took time to find its feet - and a huge number of buyers.

According to Melissa Otto from S&P Global Market Intelligence, the iPhone only became mainstream when the App Store "started to explode with apps that added value to our lives".

"When people start to feel their lives are becoming better and more convenient, that's when they're willing to take the leap," she said.

The VR experience

There is another factor to consider here too though: the physical experience of using a headset.

Both Apple and Meta use so-called "passthrough" technology to enable what is known as mixed reality - the blending of the real and computer-generated worlds.

By utilising cameras on the outside of the headset, users are given a live, high-definition video feed of their surroundings - meaning they can wear it while doing things like walking or exercising.

But strapping something to your face weighing half a kilogram is not something that feels particularly natural. Generally headsets now are lighter than before, but I still can’t imagine wearing any of them for hours on end - though a colleague says he often does just this.

A sizeable number of people, myself included, have experienced VR sickness, which is when being in VR makes you feel queasy. This has significantly improved as the tech has advanced and is much less of a problem - but any experience that has you moving around with a controller instead of your feet will still take some getting used to.

Most VR experiences now include all sorts of settings to avoid this, such as the ability to "teleport" between locations. Sony's VR game Horizon: Call of the Mountain solved the problem by letting you move by swinging your arms up and down - it sounds silly, but it goes some way to trick the brain and avoid nausea.

Goggles or implants?

Whatever the experts say, the companies themselves appear bullish about their products, and their respective strengths

It’s no secret that the long-term ambition from the tech giants here is for mixed, or augmented, reality to become normal reality. Facebook owner Meta renamed itself after its grand plan for us all to inhabit a virtual world called the Metaverse – working, resting and playing there, and presenting ourselves as digital avatar versions of our ordinary selves. That all seems to have gone a bit quiet at the moment.

But they are all right in that one day, something will replace our phones and perhaps that thing is some form of VR headset. Eventually, I expect these things will start to look more like glasses and less like giant ski goggles... if they’re not brain implants (I’m not joking).

"The devices that look like what they look like today - I think we know that's not a mass market device. It's too heavy, it's too awkward," said Mr Jijiashvili.

That's an area where rivals have focused their efforts, with Viture and XReal producing sunglasses with high-fidelity screens embedded in them.

Melissa Brown, head of Development Relations at Meta, told us she “absolutely” thought the Quest 3 could one day replace the smartphone. But the next day Meta’s PR team got in touch with a more measured response from Mark Zuckerberg, in which he said "the last generation of computing doesn't go away... it's not like when we got phones, people stopped using computers".

Judging by what I saw in the Apple store in London’s Regent Street, the UK is not about to be flooded with people wandering around in Vision Pros or Quest 3s.

The very first customer I spoke to had actually just popped in for a charger and was a bit bemused by Apple staff applause as he walked in.

But in the couple of hours we were there, several people walked out grinning with big white Apple bags. The question remains: how many more can be persuaded to do the same.

BBC
 
What about Apple v Android tablets ? do folk feel the same way? 🤔
 
I have always been a user of Android. Never used Apple and never want to either.
Same here brother. Never felt comfortable around the apple devices. Maybe I am they are good but I never tried to go from andrioed to apple. Might never will.
 
I have always been a user of Android. Never used Apple and never want to either.

I ask this because I got a Apple tablet as a gift and the Android user asked me to return it without testing etc but then later regretted it 🤣 There seems to be this sentiment that while Apple phones have adequate alternatives, android users seem more positive towards Apple tablets? I don’t know if that’s a thing…
 
Microsoft in China will require its employees to use only iPhones as work devices due to the iPhones enhanced security features.

The requirement is part of a project known as “Secure Future Initiative” which is part of Microsoft’s cybersecurity overhaul.

The change comes into force in September.

 
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90% of android tablets are not even good. Not even a comparison.
Which tablets? The low priced ones? The middle tier ones or the high end ones?

What is your definition of good?

Apple were the dominant force when it came to market share back in 2010-2012 but since then they have overall seen a decline. Although in the last 2 years Apple have had a surge again.

For me it's always abut value for money. I look at performance benchmarks, camera and screen quality, battery life and then compare to assess what is the best value tablet for the budget I have/had. Apple have never for any product been better value for money.

In fact I've have had this discussion here numerous times. If Apple priced their products 30-40% lower then they would be the value option, the fact is they don't so it's not even in the discussion.
 
Which tablets? The low priced ones? The middle tier ones or the high end ones?

What is your definition of good?

Apple were the dominant force when it came to market share back in 2010-2012 but since then they have overall seen a decline. Although in the last 2 years Apple have had a surge again.

For me it's always abut value for money. I look at performance benchmarks, camera and screen quality, battery life and then compare to assess what is the best value tablet for the budget I have/had. Apple have never for any product been better value for money.

In fact I've have had this discussion here numerous times. If Apple priced their products 30-40% lower then they would be the value option, the fact is they don't so it's not even in the discussion.
I've already said multiple times here about one factor.

Definition of money is different for different people. Thus "value of money" this criteria also changes.

Benchmark, flagship SoC, battery performance.... Those doesn't matter after passing some stages of life.

You will want a mobile to call, may be video call to family, to take some pics in a trip.... You don't need much more than that.

If value for money (as you are defnining), for most people, under 10k mobile would be enough. But people define value for money in a "different" way than you are defining.
 
You will want a mobile to call, may be video call to family, to take some pics in a trip.... You don't need much more than that.

If value for money (as you are defnining), for most people, under 10k mobile would be enough. But people define value for money in a "different" way than you are defining.
Actually games and watching media (streamed or downloaded) are amongst the most important things for many young people. For games in particular you definitely want performance because even low quality graphic games end up demanding on such small devices.

Value for money is not that difficult to understand. You keep making arbitrary arguments to justify this overspending on products (Apple in this case).

It's ok, I understand, some people want to waste spend their money on things which they've been fooled believe are value for money. By all means they can.
 
Actually games and watching media (streamed or downloaded) are amongst the most important things for many young people. For games in particular you definitely want performance because even low quality graphic games end up demanding on such small devices.

Value for money is not that difficult to understand. You keep making arbitrary arguments to justify this overspending on products (Apple in this case).

It's ok, I understand, some people want to waste spend their money on things which they've been fooled believe are value for money. By all means they can.
In your opinion, as a hardcore Android fan, are you more receptive towards Apple tablets or still same views? am just wondering if that’s a thing
 
In your opinion, as a hardcore Android fan, are you more receptive towards Apple tablets or still same views? am just wondering if that’s a thing
I don't see any Apple product that is value for money. In every category of technology you can find something which is better performing, more features and for usually 20% cheaper. Phones, tablets, desktops, monitors, headphones, peripherals you name it, there will be an equivalent product from rivals that will beat it for performance and be cheaper.
 
Apple products are overpriced, but I prefer them for aesthetic reasons as much as anything else. I find it weird trying to navigate Android phones now, I'm so used to just swiping away windows rather than using a back button. But I'm sure if for whatever reason I decided to go back to Android I'd get used to it pretty quickly. Not so sure about Windows desktops or laptops though.
 
I don't see any Apple product that is value for money. In every category of technology you can find something which is better performing, more features and for usually 20% cheaper. Phones, tablets, desktops, monitors, headphones, peripherals you name it, there will be an equivalent product from rivals that will beat it for performance and be cheaper.

The value is subjective, though I felt that way for a while. In terms of cost the top range across both platforms is expensive anyway and android don’t always deliver, I always used Android and at the time the S20 was meant to be top tier but it was overheating with even basic tasks like watching Youtube
 
Apple products are overpriced, but I prefer them for aesthetic reasons as much as anything else. I find it weird trying to navigate Android phones now, I'm so used to just swiping away windows rather than using a back button. But I'm sure if for whatever reason I decided to go back to Android I'd get used to it pretty quickly. Not so sure about Windows desktops or laptops though.

I know certain brands will limit aspects of the build or a performance feature but in terms of price, the top range anyway, don’t think there is a drastic price difference between android and apple phones especially ? Obviously I think the Macbook laptops or whatever they are called are super expensive and I don’t know if those especially are worth it compared to a big boy Dell laptop. But I generally feel the same way as you now after predominately using Android my whole life.
 
I know certain brands will limit aspects of the build or a performance feature but in terms of price, the top range anyway, don’t think there is a drastic price difference between android and apple phones especially ? Obviously I think the Macbook laptops or whatever they are called are super expensive and I don’t know if those especially are worth it compared to a big boy Dell laptop. But I generally feel the same way as you now after predominately using Android my whole life.

There are still some things I really miss from Android, their notifications are much better, they tend to be more innovative in bringing new tech in my opinion. But like @Technics 1210 said already, with Apple you are buying into an ecosystem and because they can just concentrate on their own devices, everything just works. I think if you don't want to go the Apple route, then Samsung is the way to go, and that's what I did previously. But yeah, maybe the price difference isn't so great now either.
 
There are still some things I really miss from Android, their notifications are much better, they tend to be more innovative in bringing new tech in my opinion. But like @Technics 1210 said already, with Apple you are buying into an ecosystem and because they can just concentrate on their own devices, everything just works. I think if you don't want to go the Apple route, then Samsung is the way to go, and that's what I did previously. But yeah, maybe the price difference isn't so great now either.
What new tech has google or Samsung brought that you think Apple missed out on?
 
What new tech has google or Samsung brought that you think Apple missed out on?

I haven't been with Samsung for a few years now but just from the top of my head, Android had home screen widgets years before Apple got them, swype gesture technology, wireless charging and (still) a far superior notification screen.
 
I haven't been with Samsung for a few years now but just from the top of my head, Android had home screen widgets years before Apple got them, swype gesture technology, wireless charging and (still) a far superior notification screen.
Did those features mostly flawlessly work out of the box as they were introduced?

The last time I used Android on a Samsung phone was on Note 3. I got enticed into switching due to the various cutting edge new features it boasted at the time. After using it for an year, I realized I did not use all of them because either they were too quirky or hastily introduced. For instance there were overheating issues while using file transfer through NFC, and the battery drained fairly quickly as well. Then there were times when the wifi would just disappear. The newly introduced notifications system also was very inconsistent.

Overall I got the feeling Android was half baked. It might have gotten better since then. I always got the impression Google was too hasty to introduce brand new features to make them appear more competitive or cutting edge than Apple. In their haste to do so they didn't fully test and debug all the issues with the new features. They mostly behaved like beta.

Apple has its own issues but usually the way they are behind Andoird is because they rigorously test all the new features before pushing them out. Their OS is a lot more stable in my experience.
 
Did those features mostly flawlessly work out of the box as they were introduced?

The last time I used Android on a Samsung phone was on Note 3. I got enticed into switching due to the various cutting edge new features it boasted at the time. After using it for an year, I realized I did not use all of them because either they were too quirky or hastily introduced. For instance there were overheating issues while using file transfer through NFC, and the battery drained fairly quickly as well. Then there were times when the wifi would just disappear. The newly introduced notifications system also was very inconsistent.

Overall I got the feeling Android was half baked. It might have gotten better since then. I always got the impression Google was too hasty to introduce brand new features to make them appear more competitive or cutting edge than Apple. In their haste to do so they didn't fully test and debug all the issues with the new features. They mostly behaved like beta.

Apple has its own issues but usually the way they are behind Andoird is because they rigorously test all the new features before pushing them out. Their OS is a lot more stable in my experience.

My last Samsung phone was a 10e, that was obviously a long time ago. I liked the phone, it was fairly stable by the time I got that model. The features I mentioned worked well for me and I used them extensively. I agree Apple is more stable, plus I like that it is a walled garden. The big disadvantage with Android is that they are built for a lot of different manufacturers so there is always going to be more quirks.
 
I hear a lot about the "Walled Garden"

I have not come across any situation personally where MACOS prohibited me from doing what I wanted to do. I do not use computers for things like games, so perhaps I am in the minority here. But for pretty much everything else, like CAD software to other productivity functions, I could easily find solutions for on a Mac machine. Worst case scenario I had to use a Windows virtual machine to do something.

I don't use a Mac machine anymore because I am cheap lol.. but if given the choice, I would gladly spend more money to buy a MacBook than put up with the slow painful windows updates. That hassle alone would be enough to pursuade me to use macs.
 
Apple sees continued revenue growth as iPhone demand picks up

Apple (AAPL.O), opens new tab on Thursday forecast steady growth after its third-quarter iPhone sales topped Wall Street targets, even as overall results in China disappointed.

Shares of the company rose 1% in extended trading.

Apple said revenue in its fiscal fourth quarter would grow at a level similar to the 4.9% increase it posted in the April-June period.

Its sales totaled $85.78 billion in the three months ended June 29, beating the average analyst estimate of $84.53 billion, according to LSEG data. Its revenue had declined in the first three months of the year.

Sales of iPhones fell 0.9% to $39.30 billion, a smaller decline than the 2.2% drop analysts expected, as demand picked up ahead of the launch of artificial-intelligence features.

Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri told Reuters in an interview that the iPhone results were better than he had expected three months ago. "The iPhone 15 family has been doing well from the very beginning and still now - we have three quarters of the year behind us. It is performing better than the previous cycle, the iPhone 14."


 
iPhone 16 set to be launched tonight
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Aug 1 (Reuters) - Apple (AAPL.O), opens new tab said its third-quarter iPhone sales were better than expected and forecast more gains on Thursday as it bets on artificial intelligence to attract buyers, even as its overall China business disappointed.

Shares of the company rose nearly 1% in extended trading, outperforming other tech stocks that were broadly lowe
Apple is expected to launch this fall what analysts have called the biggest software upgrade for the iPhone. It includes artificial intelligence features and comes at a time when rivals such as Samsung have been quicker to roll out similar services.

Apple said revenue in its fiscal fourth quarter would grow at a level similar to the 4.9% increase it posted in the April-June period, which was better than analysts' estimates.

Sales of iPhone also improved in the third quarter, falling just 0.9% compared with the 2.2% drop analysts expected.Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri told Reuters in an interview that the iPhone results were better than he had expected three months ago. "The iPhone 15 family has been doing well from the very beginning and still now - we have three quarters of the year behind us. It is performing better than the previous cycle, the iPhone 14."

Still, China - Apple's third-largest market - remained a drag as sales there declined 6.5%. While that was an improvement from the 8.1% decline in the previous quarter, it was wider than expectations for a drop of 2.4%, according to Visible Alpha.
Maestri said China sales fell less

 
China stole Apple’s thunder this year , although most of the things Huawei or Chinese companies launch only sells in China it’s still very sparkling.
 
China stole Apple’s thunder this year , although most of the things Huawei or Chinese companies launch only sells in China it’s still very sparkling.





Huawei's trifold phone gets 2.7 million pre-orders ahead of Apple's iPhone 16 launch​

PUBLISHED SUN, SEP 8 2024 11:21 PM EDTUPDATED 44 MIN AGO

BEIJING — Huawei has received more than 2.7 million pre-orders for its trifold smartphone, its website showed on Monday.

The Chinese company began pre-orders for its Mate XT midday on Saturday. That was more than two days ahead of Apple's planned iPhone 16 launch early morning Tuesday Beijing time.
 
Americans are masters of marketing. The way they exaggerate the minutest of improvements.
 
I know the nerds love androids but Apple has been working fine for me.

So yeah. Sorry nerds. Keep your androids to yourself. An apple a day keeps the doctor away.
 
As expected, a lot of talk regarding A.I. integration. They’re calling it Apple Intelligence.
 
I know the nerds love androids but Apple has been working fine for me.

So yeah. Sorry nerds. Keep your androids to yourself. An apple a day keeps the doctor away.
Congrats.

My company is finally switching from iPhone to Samsung. They released a statement a few weeks ago about the transition and I get my new Samsung later this week. Such a huge relief that I will be getting rid of this iPhone finally.

The statement was saying basically that many of the apps people wanted weren't available on the apple store. Our management also said that it was a financial decision - more money will be available for growth.
 
The statement was saying basically that many of the apps people wanted weren't available on the apple store.
Such as.... Fortnite?
Our management also said that it was a financial decision - more money will be available for growth.
The operation must be laughably small if you have to rely on the cost of a phone for your growth.

FTE per employee in US in tech industry is $200k to $300K/year. If a $250/year extra is what my organization is relying on for growth, I'd look for a new job.
 
Such as.... Fortnite?

The operation must be laughably small if you have to rely on the cost of a phone for your growth.

FTE per employee in US in tech industry is $200k to $300K/year. If a $250/year extra is what my organization is relying on for growth, I'd look for a new job.
Multiply by 2900, the number of people in the geo and then add an extra amount for all the licensed products the company has to procure and it quickly adds up. A corporate contract could quickly go into the £££ millions.

We have an annual survey that covers everything from benefits to line management, from work-life balance to equipment. They must have had enough complaints to do do something in the equipment section to listen.

Every year I said the same. Apple are bad- I would prefer an older used android. The funny thing is, they give everyone the option to use a Lenovo, Dell or Apple laptops of similar specs but every time I'm at the office I see only Lenovo.
 
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Multiply by 2900, the number of people in the geo and then add an extra amount for all the licensed products the company has to procure and it quickly adds up. A corporate contract could quickly go into the £££ millions.
SO they give guys entry level android products? becos, samsung is not exactly cheap, the $250/year was an hyperbole.

I'm part of 80K company which makes killign with service contracts for our instruments . so know a bit about how things add up

The statement still holds. if $250/year is where your organization is looking for growth funds, brush up your resume and move.

As I said, Science field FTE in US is $250K and tech field is closer to $400K
We have an annual survey that covers everything from benefits to line management, from work-life balance to equipment. They must have had enough complaints to do do something in the equipment section to listen.
so your are speculating or willing to buy whatever you are told
Every year I said the same. Apple are bad- I would prefer an older used android. The funny thing is, they give everyone the option to use a Lenovo, Dell or Apple laptops of similar specs but every time I'm at the office I see only Lenovo.
Must live in a different world.

Anyway, what business software is there in Android missing from iOS?
 
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As I said, Science field FTE in US is $250K and tech field is closer to $400K

I will respond to this one comment. The salaries in the USA may be significantly higher than many other places but so is the cost of living.

Here in the UK I earn approx 60k, more than 20k over the national average. With it I live an extremely comfortable life. In a couple of years I will have paid off my mortgage.
 
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Just to add my colleagues in London earn 85-95k, significantly more than me. Yet none of them are even close to paying off their massive mortgages. So the question is, do you go for the higher pay knowing the cost of living and maybe even the type of living could be worse?
 
Just to add my colleagues in London earn 85-95k, significantly more than me. Yet none of them are even close to paying off their massive mortgages. So the question is, do you go for the higher pay knowing the cost of living and maybe even the type of living could be worse?

Not sure if this was meant for the Iphone thread, but it depends on your individual circumstances. I think if you’re single especially and don’t mind roughing it out for a bit, then maybe you can save more money by doing the higher paying jobs 🤔

If you have a mortgage and there is not as much of an upside working in London then perhaps it’s not worth it.
 
Apple told to pay back €13bn in tax by EU

Apple has been told to pay back €13bn (£11bn; $14bn) in unpaid taxes to Ireland by the European Court of Justice (ECJ).

The EU Commission accused Ireland of giving Apple illegal tax advantages eight years ago but the Irish government has consistently argued against the need for the tax to be paid back.

“The Court of Justice gives final judgment in the matter and confirms the European Commission’s 2016 decision: Ireland granted Apple unlawful aid which Ireland is required to recover,” the court said.

The news comes a day after the tech giant released its new iPhone 16 range.

"This case has never been about how much tax we pay, but which government we are required to pay it to. We always pay all the taxes we owe wherever we operate and there has never been a special deal.

"Apple is proud to be an engine of growth and innovation across Europe and around the world, and to consistently be one of the largest taxpayers in the world," an Apple representative said.

The ruling means the ECJ has finally upheld the decision issued by the European Commission eight years ago after a lengthy back and forth legal process.

The decision covered the period from 1991 to 2014, and related to the way in which profits generated by two Apple subsidiaries based in Ireland were treated for tax purposes.

Those tax arrangements were deemed to be illegal because other companies were not able to obtain the same advantages.

"The European Commission is trying to retroactively change the rules and ignore that, as required by international tax law, our income was already subject to taxes in the US.

"We are disappointed with today’s decision as previously the General Court reviewed the facts and categorically annulled this case," Apple added.

The original ruling came at a time when the Commission was attempting to clamp down on multinational giants whom it believed were using creative financial arrangements to reduce their tax bills.

The ruling was overturned by the lower court of the ECJ in 2020, following an appeal by Ireland.

That verdict has now been set aside by the higher court, which said it contained legal errors.

This means Ireland will have to recover the lost taxes from Apple – something Dublin has spent years of legal wrangling trying to avoid.

Europe's top court has also ruled that Google must pay a €2.4bn (£2bn) fine for abusing the market dominance of its shopping comparison service.

The tech giant had been appealing against the fine, which was originally levied by the European Commission in 2017.

It was at the time the largest penalty the Commission had ever levied - though Google has since received an even bigger fine of €4.3bn in 2018 over claims it used Android software to unfairly promote its own apps.

Just like Apple, this decision brings an end to a long-running case for Google.

BBC
 
I will respond to this one comment. The salaries in the USA may be significantly higher than many other places but so is the cost of living.

Here in the UK I earn approx 60k, more than 20k over the national average. With it I live an extremely comfortable life. In a couple of years I will have paid off my mortgage.
think there are three different topics.

1) apple products: Its a binary. There are those like what apple offers for the price.

eg: I have run Linux with entry level PCs until I found used macbook pro market. I'm typing this on 2014 macbook pro, whihc I have had for 5 years. runs like a champ.

Didn't switch to Iphone till 4s.

Haven't looked back.

Seems less integration between phone, computer and apple tv makes well worth the price for me. I upgrade phones every 4 years and still get 30% of the value in the resale market.


2) Corporate finances-growth etc: the $200/year (which assuming a life for 2 years for the phones and $400 price difference between apple and android) for 2900 employees works out to ~$600K

In our BU, that is ~1.5 day factory shipment (not total revenue. add 60% margin to that) for ~500 employees.

So, the day the division starts looking at $200/year per employee for growth, that is the day I will actively look to move.


3) Personal income: not relevant to topic at hand.

So what app is useful to your business that is available in Android, but not available in iOS?
 
1) apple products: Its a binary. There are those like what apple offers for the price.

2) Corporate finances-growth etc:

3) Personal income: not relevant to topic at hand.

So what app is useful to your business that is available in Android, but not available in iOS?
1 - I've posted many comments on this thread which go into detail about performance for £££. It always comes back to the Apple fans saying it's about the UI experience and how Apple meets their needs. £ for £, Apple lags behind it's competition in all sectors but the fans claim it's what you pay for "Apple's premium products".

2 - I'm not fully up to speed on this one, the corporate and geo management and IT deal with this but I will repeat the message in the emails that they are making a saving by buying Android phones over Apple and the cost of support/maintenance is a huge part in it.

3 - You raised this yourself when you started on about point 2. Go back up and look at who was the one who wrote that insulting statement about salaries and getting up and shifting.

4 - I had to reach out to a colleague on this one - apparently it's a couple of bespoke apps that allow CAD model data to be viewed. Apparently the vendor doesn't suppost iOS and doesn't want to. The workaround was that the company introduced a BYOD policy and people used their own devices.

My position has always been the same. If Apple were priced 20-40% lower they would be good value. Apple continue to make outdated products and price it high and people are still buying. Why would Apple ever change when they have dedicated fans.
 
You have to hand it to Apple though, they are brilliant with their marketing. They introduct features on their products which their competition has sometimes had for a decade and they stick the letter "i" in front and all of a sudden it's groundbreaking. The best part is people buy into it.

Great at marketing - but awful at development and innovation.
 
In a week that Apple released the same phone they released last year with just a couple of minor improvements. Huwaei have released a tri-fold phone that looks so slick and state of the art. I give it 6-7 years before Apple released the same thing and the fans call it a ground-breaking innovation.

As for Huwaei, I've owned 2 phones in the past and I absolutely loved them. One of them, I think the P30 had the best finger print reader ever, none of this nonsense where you had to press about 10 times all over the circle on screen. It's such a shame they were sanctioned because frankly I felt they were the fastest moving and best phone brand £ for £ by a long way.
 
1 - I've posted many comments on this thread which go into detail about performance for £££. It always comes back to the Apple fans saying it's about the UI experience and how Apple meets their needs. £ for £, Apple lags behind it's competition in all sectors but the fans claim it's what you pay for "Apple's premium products".
Yes. It is an experience, not a spreadsheet.

Look at what happened to Zune.
2 - I'm not fully up to speed on this one, the corporate and geo management and IT deal with this but I will repeat the message in the emails that they are making a saving by buying Android phones over Apple
Depends on the model you buy. top line androids are not exactly a bargain
3 - You raised this yourself when you started on about point 2. Go back up and look at who was the one who wrote that insulting statement about salaries and getting up and shifting.
I stand by what I said. Cost of employee to an organization goes well beyond the salary.

It is personal choice when you decide where you spend your money.

If a corporation is looking for $200/year/employee for growth, yes, it is time to make a move. Of course it would depend on your field, skill level and opportunities in your area.
4 - I had to reach out to a colleague on this one - apparently it's a couple of bespoke apps that allow CAD model data to be viewed. Apparently the vendor doesn't suppost iOS and doesn't want to. The workaround was that the company introduced a BYOD policy and people used their own devices.
Sounds bizarre, The complaint has always been how android is not supported.

This sounds a like a case of the 30% fee issue through app store
My position has always been the same. If Apple were priced 20-40% lower they would be good value. Apple continue to make outdated products and price it high and people are still buying. Why would Apple ever change when they have dedicated fans.
Its about pain points and what you willing to spend your money on.

I refuse to spend more than I have to on cars. I buy japanese cars vs german cars becos of cost. but will not go to american cars even though cost is cheaper
 
You have to be a special kind of imbecile if your workplace is offering you a MacBook and you opt for a Dell or a Lenovo laptop over a MacBook. The difference in quality and user experience are not even in the same ballpark.

As for iPhones are concerned, I have only used iPhones since 2009 and I don’t feel the need to switch. Works perfectly for me and fulfills all my requirements. The Apple ecosystem is a major factor of course, but you’d be willing to compromise on that if you find something extraordinary in the market and I haven’t seen anything yet that would compel me to try something different.
 
You have to be a special kind of imbecile if your workplace is offering you a MacBook and you opt for a Dell or a Lenovo laptop over a MacBook. The difference in quality and user experience are not even in the same ballpark.

As for iPhones are concerned, I have only used iPhones since 2009 and I don’t feel the need to switch. Works perfectly for me and fulfills all my requirements. The Apple ecosystem is a major factor of course, but you’d be willing to compromise on that if you find something extraordinary in the market and I haven’t seen anything yet that would compel me to try something different.
You have to be a special kind of special imbecile if you can’t be bothered to do any basic research before typing up nonsense.



As usual Apple fans don’t have facts or figures to support their claims and therefore are left to use petty pointless arguments like “I’ve had one for x years and it’s amazing”.

Please deal in facts and figures, not your opinion.
  • Are you aware of support for all the major tools on the market? Solidworks, Autodesk, Catia just to name a few don’t offer support on Mac OS natively if at all. Performance and feature set doesn’t even come into it because of the product support. Links:

https://www.3ds.com/support/hardware-and-software/hardware-and-software-configurations

https://www.autodesk.com/support/te...oCAD-2024-including-Specialized-Toolsets.html

https://www.solidworks.com/support/system-requirements

  • Here is an example of comparing a Lenovo to a Macbook in a similar price range. The Lenovo is currently selling for the same price as the M3 version of the MacBook Air (£1299).
    . If you skip to the benchmark and conclusions, you’ll see there’s just no comparison. I mean the Cinebench and GeekBench scores make the Mac seems several years outdated. It’s difficult to measure exactly like for like because products always have new iterations and can be upgraded but if you take the standard model Lenovo kills Mac.

As for your comment regarding iPhones it’s another that isn’t opinion and not fact based. Since you apple fan boys can never produce the numbers, the benchmarks or any fact based argument it always boils down to view “it suits me fine and I don’t need to change”. What exactly can you do with an iPhone that you can’t do with a rival phone similarly or even up to 20% lower in price?

If you need to browse the internet, connect to your social media apps, open multiple apps simultaneously, make/receive calls, take high quality images/videos. The similarly priced and even lower priced competition does this too, almost always better.

You are the prime example of why Apple don’t even need to innovate anymore. Apple know there are people who will keep buying their stuff.
 
You have to be a special kind of special imbecile if you can’t be bothered to do any basic research before typing up nonsense.



As usual Apple fans don’t have facts or figures to support their claims and therefore are left to use petty pointless arguments like “I’ve had one for x years and it’s amazing”.

Please deal in facts and figures, not your opinion.
  • Are you aware of support for all the major tools on the market? Solidworks, Autodesk, Catia just to name a few don’t offer support on Mac OS natively if at all. Performance and feature set doesn’t even come into it because of the product support. Links:

https://www.3ds.com/support/hardware-and-software/hardware-and-software-configurations

https://www.autodesk.com/support/te...oCAD-2024-including-Specialized-Toolsets.html

https://www.solidworks.com/support/system-requirements

  • Here is an example of comparing a Lenovo to a Macbook in a similar price range. The Lenovo is currently selling for the same price as the M3 version of the MacBook Air (£1299).
    . If you skip to the benchmark and conclusions, you’ll see there’s just no comparison. I mean the Cinebench and GeekBench scores make the Mac seems several years outdated. It’s difficult to measure exactly like for like because products always have new iterations and can be upgraded but if you take the standard model Lenovo kills Mac.

As for your comment regarding iPhones it’s another that isn’t opinion and not fact based. Since you apple fan boys can never produce the numbers, the benchmarks or any fact based argument it always boils down to view “it suits me fine and I don’t need to change”. What exactly can you do with an iPhone that you can’t do with a rival phone similarly or even up to 20% lower in price?

If you need to browse the internet, connect to your social media apps, open multiple apps simultaneously, make/receive calls, take high quality images/videos. The similarly priced and even lower priced competition does this too, almost always better.

You are the prime example of why Apple don’t even need to innovate anymore. Apple know there are people who will keep buying their stuff.

Not an Apple fanboy or a tech wizard, but why would your workplace offer a laptop that's not good enough with software they need? Just to prove how much macbooks suck?

Those in your organization needing those specific specs would obviously pick the Lenovo or Dell alternatives, but anyone who can do with all is likely to pick a mac. It's simply better for efficient on-the-go power. Or is this also debatable?
 
Not an Apple fanboy or a tech wizard, but why would your workplace offer a laptop that's not good enough with software they need? Just to prove how much macbooks suck?

Those in your organization needing those specific specs would obviously pick the Lenovo or Dell alternatives, but anyone who can do with all is likely to pick a mac. It's simply better for efficient on-the-go power. Or is this also debatable?
You have different users in different departments like any organisation. Maybe they had requirements.

There is no debate based on price or performance. If you want to include arbitrary arguments like "I like the look" or "it does what I need it to", then there could be a debate.
 
You have different users in different departments like any organisation. Maybe they had requirements.

There is no debate based on price or performance. If you want to include arbitrary arguments like "I like the look" or "it does what I need it to", then there could be a debate.

Power to performance of the chip, battery life and supremely optimised apps are reasonable arguments imo.
 
You have to be a special kind of special imbecile if you can’t be bothered to do any basic research before typing up nonsense.



As usual Apple fans don’t have facts or figures to support their claims and therefore are left to use petty pointless arguments like “I’ve had one for x years and it’s amazing”.

Please deal in facts and figures, not your opinion.
  • Are you aware of support for all the major tools on the market? Solidworks, Autodesk, Catia just to name a few don’t offer support on Mac OS natively if at all. Performance and feature set doesn’t even come into it because of the product support. Links:

https://www.3ds.com/support/hardware-and-software/hardware-and-software-configurations

https://www.autodesk.com/support/te...oCAD-2024-including-Specialized-Toolsets.html

https://www.solidworks.com/support/system-requirements

  • Here is an example of comparing a Lenovo to a Macbook in a similar price range. The Lenovo is currently selling for the same price as the M3 version of the MacBook Air (£1299).
    . If you skip to the benchmark and conclusions, you’ll see there’s just no comparison. I mean the Cinebench and GeekBench scores make the Mac seems several years outdated. It’s difficult to measure exactly like for like because products always have new iterations and can be upgraded but if you take the standard model Lenovo kills Mac.

As for your comment regarding iPhones it’s another that isn’t opinion and not fact based. Since you apple fan boys can never produce the numbers, the benchmarks or any fact based argument it always boils down to view “it suits me fine and I don’t need to change”. What exactly can you do with an iPhone that you can’t do with a rival phone similarly or even up to 20% lower in price?

If you need to browse the internet, connect to your social media apps, open multiple apps simultaneously, make/receive calls, take high quality images/videos. The similarly priced and even lower priced competition does this too, almost always better.

You are the prime example of why Apple don’t even need to innovate anymore. Apple know there are people who will keep buying their stuff.
If you are company is using software/tools that are incompatible with Mac OS, why are they offering all employees a choice between Mac and Windows systems (your words)? That seems like a complete whack thing to do.

Moreover, one has to be complete bonkers to opt for Windows over Macs if they are using software that is compatible with both OS. The premium feel of Macs is at a completely different level and even the top end Windows system don't come close. Windows is for people who can't afford Macs or for those who are using tools that are incompatible with Mac. As simple as that.

As far as iPhones are concerned, surely, Apple must be doing something right due to which they are selling millions of iPhones annually in spite of the fact that there are countless cheaper alternatives in the market. Not everything can be captured by numbers and specs sheet. If iPhone lacked certain critical features that is impeding the day to day lives of people, they wouldn't buy it. It is not that hard to understand.

Apple is not my dad's company. If I find something better (for me) in the market, I will switch. However, in the 15-16 years, I have seen no Android device or no Android feature that would compel me to switch. I don't understand why you are so bothered by people's choices. Your hatred for a tech company is irrational. If you prefer Android and Windows, that's great for you, but you seem to have a personal vendetta against Apple and its consumers. Are you sure you didn't get fired or rejected by Apple?
 
You have to be a special kind of imbecile if your workplace is offering you a MacBook and you opt for a Dell or a Lenovo laptop over a MacBook. The difference in quality and user experience are not even in the same ballpark.

As for iPhones are concerned, I have only used iPhones since 2009 and I don’t feel the need to switch. Works perfectly for me and fulfills all my requirements. The Apple ecosystem is a major factor of course, but you’d be willing to compromise on that if you find something extraordinary in the market and I haven’t seen anything yet that would compel me to try something different.

I have an iPhone I’ve been using for a number of years now, but I can’t fathom the laptop argument. Dell is just so far ahead, most businesses in the UK anyway have contracts with them and Microsoft; other machines and softwares are simply not good enough to compete with this combo in real world industries, whether it’s manufacturing or something else. If you meant the Mac etc are better from a personal use / experience perspective then that opinion is easier to understand, I can’t comment on that because I’ve never used it and have mostly used Dell products which I believe are much better placed to complete a variety of activities, but maybe Mac is better if you’re just doing emails, browsing and some word processing or something imo
 
If you are company is using software/tools that are incompatible with Mac OS, why are they offering all employees a choice between Mac and Windows systems (your words)? That seems like a complete whack thing to do.

Moreover, one has to be complete bonkers to opt for Windows over Macs if they are using software that is compatible with both OS. The premium feel of Macs is at a completely different level and even the top end Windows system don't come close. Windows is for people who can't afford Macs or for those who are using tools that are incompatible with Mac. As simple as that.

As far as iPhones are concerned, surely, Apple must be doing something right due to which they are selling millions of iPhones annually in spite of the fact that there are countless cheaper alternatives in the market. Not everything can be captured by numbers and specs sheet. If iPhone lacked certain critical features that is impeding the day to day lives of people, they wouldn't buy it. It is not that hard to understand.

Apple is not my dad's company. If I find something better (for me) in the market, I will switch. However, in the 15-16 years, I have seen no Android device or no Android feature that would compel me to switch. I don't understand why you are so bothered by people's choices. Your hatred for a tech company is irrational. If you prefer Android and Windows, that's great for you, but you seem to have a personal vendetta against Apple and its consumers. Are you sure you didn't get fired or rejected by Apple?
My company allows choice and expects the users to make the choice that best fits them. Almost everyone is using Lenovo laptops and tablets. There may be a requirement for Macs, but I'm not aware of it.

The premium feel and look of top end Dell, Asus, Lenovo, MSI and many other laptops is amazing too if you haven't been brainwashed into think only Apply know how to do it. You might like the sleek look and feel of MacBooks but I love the modern dark RGB framed laptops that the top end Windows PCs are releasing. However this is an opinion it is not fact. Please bring facts and figures to back your claim not opinions.

Yes - Apple are doing marketing brilliantly. They know that all they have to do is stick an extra button and make a minor adjustment to the iPhone case and it will be "state of the art" and people will buy the newest phone. Apple make overpriced phones but they know how to sell these things.

As I have said previously, there is nothing you can do on an iPhone that you can't on a similarly or lower priced Android. I would turn it around and say, what feature does your iPhone have that has made you so loyal to it? It's definitely not performance or technical specs. It can only be "how it looks/feels" or "they have a reputation".

Anyways you haven't come back with any facts or figures - it's always the same with Apple fans, everything Apple does is the best until they have to back it up with facts.
 
MAC is fast but if i’m working on coding esp microsoft technologies like dot net or utilising visual studio i would easily choose Dell over Mac. Creating Enterprise level softwares is way better in Windows PCs esp Dell compared to Mac.

On the IOs vs Android, that’s silly majority users will be Iphone ones so we definitely would prefer an Iphone.
 
The only place where Mac might be ahead of Windows would be in product based companies like Discord etc where just using Vim or Emacs is more than enough.
No way can coding for Enterprise work in Mac, the amount of control required over repositories, firewalls, APIs , personal window policy is way easier for Windows than it ever will be for MAC oS
 
The only place where Mac might be ahead of Windows would be in product based companies like Discord etc where just using Vim or Emacs is more than enough.
No way can coding for Enterprise work in Mac, the amount of control required over repositories, firewalls, APIs , personal window policy is way easier for Windows than it ever will be for MAC oS
Macs are also used in Game Dev, Design and production too. .NET is now cross platform and Rider IDE is good choice on Mac. Microsoft is no more closed sourced like it used to be. Visual Studio Code not Visual Studio is their flagship product and many AI based IDE's like Cursor and Zed works only on macOS for now.

I spent many years working for enterprise clients who were entirely on Microsoft stack (onprem and cloud). I then moved to product based companies/ solopreneur. I think moving away from Windows kinda helped me to see the power of open source ecosystem. Underneath MacOS is still a UNIX distribution which has some of the best isolations you can achieve in terms of process and memory.
 
Macs are also used in Game Dev, Design and production too. .NET is now cross platform and Rider IDE is good choice on Mac. Microsoft is no more closed sourced like it used to be. Visual Studio Code not Visual Studio is their flagship product and many AI based IDE's like Cursor and Zed works only on macOS for now.

I spent many years working for enterprise clients who were entirely on Microsoft stack (onprem and cloud). I then moved to product based companies/ solopreneur. I think moving away from Windows kinda helped me to see the power of open source ecosystem. Underneath MacOS is still a UNIX distribution which has some of the best isolations you can achieve in terms of process and memory.
I agree on the UNIX part and also VS code, but I still felt the learning curve was more when moving, I have a personal laptop which is MAC, but I can’t ask the Companies I work for to change their infrastructure policies, the guys in infra are really old, they will not be able to manage policies on Mac OS laptops.

I do agree Microsoft now is no more closed out but heck you would surprised to see so many old and new applications on here windows servers and not cloud which makes windows laptop a good choice.
 
I agree on the UNIX part and also VS code, but I still felt the learning curve was more when moving, I have a personal laptop which is MAC, but I can’t ask the Companies I work for to change their infrastructure policies, the guys in infra are really old, they will not be able to manage policies on Mac OS laptops.

I do agree Microsoft now is no more closed out but heck you would surprised to see so many old and new applications on here windows servers and not cloud which makes windows laptop a good choice.
Yah... I guess 70% of OS are still Windows. Windows dominates the personal and gaming space. Gaming on MacOS is the worst.
 
You folks used the new M series macbooks? Absolutely crazy speeds. Other manufactures are catching up.
Who?

Intel has thrown in the towel.

AMD is not close for performance per watt.

at $800, Macbook Air M2 will run circles around x86 chips on the market.
 
Who?

Intel has thrown in the towel.

AMD is not close for performance per watt.

at $800, Macbook Air M2 will run circles around x86 chips on the market.

Right, very niche developers aside, Apple has pretty much sealed the deal with M series Macbooks. For Intel/Amd equivalent performance, the chipset takes half to 1/3 the battery with no thermal or throttling issues. Just a no brainer currently, easy choice.
 
Nvidia Overtakes Apple As World's Most Valuable Company

Nvidia dethroned Apple as the world's most valuable company on Friday, following a record-setting rally in the stock powered by an insatiable demand for its new supercomputing AI chips.

Nvidia's stock market value briefly touched $3.53 trillion, while that of Apple was $3.52 trillion, according to data from LSEG.

In June, Nvidia briefly became the world's most valuable company, before it was overtaken by Microsoft and Apple. The tech trio's market capitalizations have been neck-and-neck for several months. Microsoft's market value stood at $3.20 trillion.

Nvidia's stock has risen about 18% so far in October, with a string of gains coming after OpenAI, the company behind ChatGPT, announced a funding round of $6.6 billion. Nvidia provides chips used to train so-called foundation models such as OpenAI's GPT-4.

"More companies are now embracing artificial intelligence in their everyday tasks and demand remains strong for Nvidia chips," said Russ Mould, investment director at AJ Bell.

"It is certainly in a sweet spot and so long as we avoid a big economic downturn in the United States, there is a feeling that companies will continue to invest heavily in AI capabilities, creating a healthy tailwind for Nvidia."

Nvidia's shares hit a record high on Tuesday, building on a rally from last week when TSMC, the world's largest contract chipmaker, posted a forecast-beating 54% jump in quarterly profit driven by soaring demand for chips used in AI.


 
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