Are contests such as Miss World demeaning to women?

[MenInG]

I see that there is a lot of happiness in India over

https://twitter.com/x/status/931915138365616128

Is this how we see women now? Is the idea of someone only useful to the society if they are Miss Universe or World?

This is a worldwide issue.

 

[Pakistanian]

Whoever said its the only way they're useful to society? That's a huge assumption. She isn't getting more attention than Malala and a year from now people won't even remember her like they don't remember the previous miss worlds/universes/galaxies lol.

I think these kinds of competitions should be organized in extremely conservative countries such as a Pakistan where women are only valued if they're covered in big black curtains. The shock value would be huge lol.

 

[Varun]

To be honest, these beauty pageants have never made it big. There are no women of any country queuing up to participate in them, and they are awarded each year to a country depending on their ulterior motive of bagging an important fashion/related contract there.

 

[Varun]

I think these kinds of competitions should be organized in extremely conservative countries such as a Pakistan where women are only valued if they're covered in big black curtains. The shock value would be huge lol.

Such an event will also be safe for Steve Harvey to be emcee at.

 

[JaDed]

It seems like a fake award but not sure.

On the topic religion and cultures have been much more demeaning to women than anything else and still are.

If women have issues with such pageants,they should argue for it themselves(doesn't seem like it),like they have done in numbers against patriarchy and being mistreated in religion.

The age for men making rules w.r.t women should be done with,and shouldn't happen anymore,they should be allowed to make their own.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Do they still have these pageants? Judging women for the beauty may be suitable when you want a model. But to call it Miss World or Universe is as fake as it can get. Pity those who celebrate someone from their country winning this jism ki numaish.

 

[Bubby]

India's Manushi Chhillar Wins Miss World 2017

Sanya, China: India's Manushi Chhillar has won the Miss World beauty pageant for the year 2017. The win comes 17 years after Priyanka Chopra brought home the coveted title in the year 2000.

Stephanie Hill, who is Miss England was the first runner up and Miss Mexico Andrea Meza was second runner up.



Ms Chhillar, a 20-year-old from Haryana, studied in St. Thomas School in New Delhi and Bhagat Phool Singh Government Medical College for Women in Sonepat. Ms Chhillar aims to be a cardiac surgeon and has plans of opening non-profit hospitals in rural areas.


Manushi Chhillar being crowned Miss World 2017
After reaching the top five, Ms Chhillar was asked during the Question and Answer round, which profession she thought deserved the highest salary and why.



Replying to the question, Ms Chhillar said it was not a question about a person's salary and that a mother was worthy of the highest respect.


Miss World 2017 Manushi Chhillar with her parents after she won
"I think a mother is of highest respect. I don't think its just about cash but love and respect she gives to someone. She is the biggest inspiration in my life. Mother should get highest respect."

Around 108 women from across the world participated in the beauty pageant.

The winner of last year's title, Puerto Rico's Stephanie Del Valle passed on her crown to Ms Chhillar.

 

[Varun]

Miss World / Universe / Earth, etc. - which one is the real thing?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes, its objectification of women.

 

[Snak3eye5]

Yes, its objectification of women.

Are we then able to make the arguement that the Mr. Universe competitions aims to objectify men ? If you put yourself into any of their shoes whether Mr.universe or Miss world, there is social and career advancements in taking part in these competitions. Some of these competitions also have he winner promote charity for different organizations around the world where the winner has to go to those causes and spend time energy towards aiming to inspire and just helping in any way or form. It's not all just trying to objectify.

Some folks start to take part in such shows as they would like to use the platform towards other career choices whether movies, modeling etc etc.. One of the shows I watched few years ago the Miss America winner that won, Nina Davuluri an American born of Indian origin mentioned during the competition that she took part in the show only to win the cash prize which would help out with her college degree in becoming a doctor.

So one should not judge that it's only about objectifying woman.

 

[TM Riddle]

She's a Jat from Haryana and a medical student. Well congratulations to her I guess. Personally I'm not really a big fan of these contests as they give away the impression of being so shallow and superficial.
Also surprised to see no comment about how Pakistan has much prettier ladies in every gali of Punjab.

 

[shah_1]

'Beauty with a purpose' is a good segment in this compeition

according to wiki, she came first in this

Chhillar's Beauty with a Purpose project was Project Shakti. The campaign's goal is to spread awareness about menstrual hygiene.[10] She visited about 20 villages for the project and treated over 5,000 women.[

 

[miandadrules]

Yes, its objectification of women.

Thankfully, the niqab/hijab doesn't do that, otherwise you'd be seen as a hypocrite.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

No, this is true liberation.

 

[Syed1]

She's a Jat from Haryana and a medical student. Well congratulations to her I guess. Personally I'm not really a big fan of these contests as they give away the impression of being so shallow and superficial.
Also surprised to see no comment about how Pakistan has much prettier ladies in every gali of Punjab.

These pageants have contests in which women have to walk around half naked which isn't acceptable to majority of Pakistani women. Doesn't have anything to do with facial beauty which any layman can say is 10 times what you would find in India. Sorry if that hurt your feelings but truth is generally bitter.

 

[big_gamer007]

Sushmita Sen won in 1994 I think? So been over 20 years since these contests have been popular in India somewhat, the contestants after winning have a chance of going into Bollywood so it's good for them if that's their dream.. It's basically a beauty/modelling kind of profession so if people going into it have no problem then don't see why anyone else should..

Btw Mr. Universe/World/India is also a thing so it's not that it's just about women..

 

[TM Riddle]

These pageants have contests in which women have to walk around half naked which isn't acceptable to majority of Pakistani women. Doesn't have anything to do with facial beauty which any layman can say is 10 times what you would find in India. Sorry if that hurt your feelings but truth is generally bitter.

I have always maintained that Pakistani women are much better looking compared to their Indian counterparts.That and the soulful music is the only saving grace for you guys.
We are ahead in every other department.

 

[Syed1]

I have always maintained that Pakistani women are much better looking compared to their Indian counterparts.That and the soulful music is the only saving grace for you guys.
We are ahead in every other department.

If that helps you sleep at night.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Btw Mr. Universe/World/India is also a thing so it's not that it's just about women..

Yes, because objectification of females has the same effects as the objectification of men.

When the great Imran Khan is called handsome it enhances his power as a politician, when Benazir is judged for her beauty it demeans her as a politician.

Till women and men have a level playing field, it is a joke to equate female objectification with male objectification.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Are we then able to make the arguement that the Mr. Universe competitions aims to objectify men ? If you put yourself into any of their shoes whether Mr.universe or Miss world, there is social and career advancements in taking part in these competitions. Some of these competitions also have he winner promote charity for different organizations around the world where the winner has to go to those causes and spend time energy towards aiming to inspire and just helping in any way or form. It's not all just trying to objectify.

Some folks start to take part in such shows as they would like to use the platform towards other career choices whether movies, modeling etc etc.. One of the shows I watched few years ago the Miss America winner that won, Nina Davuluri an American born of Indian origin mentioned during the competition that she took part in the show only to win the cash prize which would help out with her college degree in becoming a doctor.

So one should not judge that it's only about objectifying woman.

Mr Universe is a bodybuilding competition, it's sport. Athletes train and then judges decide on a winner based on various factors including muscle size, definition etc.

There are plenty of others ways people can help charities and advance their career.

Miss world is primarily based on the looks of a woman.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Thankfully, the niqab/hijab doesn't do that, otherwise you'd be seen as a hypocrite.

No because I've never worn them.

 

[SandyB]

[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] In this case the girl is from Haryana, the state with India's worst sex ratio and also a place generally considered one of the worst / unsafe places for a woman to be in he country.

So a Girl from there getting this , will improve the perception of the girl child for at least a small minuscule of people. When the Phogat sisters and Sakshi Mallik won medals at the Commonwealth games or the Olympics, ot had a small yet significant positive effect.

 

[CricketCartoons]

[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] In this case the girl is from Haryana, the state with India's worst sex ratio and also a place generally considered one of the worst / unsafe places for a woman to be in he country.

So a Girl from there getting this , will improve the perception of the girl child for at least a small minuscule of people. When the Phogat sisters and Sakshi Mallik won medals at the Commonwealth games or the Olympics, ot had a small yet significant positive effect.

Wrong is wrong. Punjab has a poor sex ratio. Does that mean having the punjabi canadian actress (you know who) helps in woman empowerment?

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] In this case the girl is from Haryana, the state with India's worst sex ratio and also a place generally considered one of the worst / unsafe places for a woman to be in he country.

So a Girl from there getting this , will improve the perception of the girl child for at least a small minuscule of people. When the Phogat sisters and Sakshi Mallik won medals at the Commonwealth games or the Olympics, ot had a small yet significant positive effect.

This doesn't empower women at all, if anything its more entertainment for the perverts who already exist in big numbers from this area.

 

[MenInG]

[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] In this case the girl is from Haryana, the state with India's worst sex ratio and also a place generally considered one of the worst / unsafe places for a woman to be in he country.

So a Girl from there getting this , will improve the perception of the girl child for at least a small minuscule of people. When the Phogat sisters and Sakshi Mallik won medals at the Commonwealth games or the Olympics, ot had a small yet significant positive effect.

Bro - I am not here to judge but I have felt that such comps are great men - do nothing for women.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Miss World isn't even covered in the UK any more, I think it went out of fashion about 20 years ago. Maybe it's still seen as important in some third world countries.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Miss World isn't even covered in the UK any more, I think it went out of fashion about 20 years ago. Maybe it's still seen as important in some third world countries.

You are just bitter as our Indian girl beat your contestant from UK, who btw deserved to be the winner IMO. She talked about universal healthcare for everyone, while the Indian gave emotional answer about being a mother.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You are just bitter as our Indian girl beat your contestant from UK, who btw deserved to be the winner IMO. She talked about universal healthcare for everyone, while the Indian gave emotional answer about being a mother.

She's hardly the typical Indian girl and she's average looking imo.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I wish I cared enough about it to be bitter. Maybe it would be more interesting if our contenders weren't lumped under the UK flag. If we had separate entrants from Scotland, Wales and Ireland it would at least stir some jealousy and local hatred. And pride of course.

 

[CricketCartoons]

She's hardly the typical Indian girl and she's average looking imo.

That is true. Winning these beauty contests is a quick way to get an entry into bollywood for these girls, and is used as a stepping stone. She will be forgotten in a week.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The interesting thing is that you could probably find hundreds of girls who look like the winner among the Pakistani community in Britain, but I don't think you could say that about the Indian community in the US.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The interesting thing is that you could probably find hundreds of girls who look like the winner among the Pakistani community in Britain, but I don't think you could say that about the Indian community in the US.

I agree. If it was just about looks then the British Pakistani girls would win it. Just that they not as good as facing the audience and speaking in front of the judges, which is where the average Indian girls score.

 

[gani999]

These pageants have contests in which women have to walk around half naked which isn't acceptable to majority of Pakistani women. Doesn't have anything to do with facial beauty which any layman can say is 10 times what you would find in India. Sorry if that hurt your feelings but truth is generally bitter.

For winning these contests, the women need to have much more than facial beauty. Personality, education and general smartness carry many more points than facial good looks. Guess that is why Pakistani women don't do too well in these?

 

[Markhor]

These women are consenting to participate in these contests. I do find it rather superficial and not sure what these women get out of winning them.

I think there are bigger issues in relation to women's rights than these pageants.

 

[gani999]

To each his own.

If you have got good looks and personality, and can get famous by flaunting it, so be it.

There is also an equivalent contest for men. The chaps with better bodies, looks and personality win it.

In a dog-eat-dog world, people will use anything they have to get ahead of the rat-race and get famous. Some use their looks, some their bodies, some their academic qualification, or whatever it is that will get them ahead of the next person.

Is it a good thing or a bad thing? We can debate that forever.

It may be demeaning to some or objectification of women to others. But let's face it. Nobody is forcing these women to take part. It is also not like they win easily. The amount of time, money and effort the girls put into these contests is phenomenal.

 

[Pakistanian]

She's a Jat from Haryana and a medical student. Well congratulations to her I guess. Personally I'm not really a big fan of these contests as they give away the impression of being so shallow and superficial.
Also surprised to see no comment about how Pakistan has much prettier ladies in every gali of Punjab.

I don't get India's caste obsession, i don't know how her caste is relevant here. Also I think Pakistan has good looking people in every region, it's just that indians are only famliar with one.

 

[KingKhanWC]

For winning these contests, the women need to have much more than facial beauty. Personality, education and general smartness carry many more points than facial good looks. Guess that is why Pakistani women don't do too well in these?

Are you trying to suggest Pakistani women have less personality and good looks than Indian women? lol

 

[Moh@n]

Erm, AFAIK Arnold Schwarzenegger won the Mr. Universe title six times in a row. It takes dedication and hard work to even participate in such a contest. Winning this is quite an achievement I would say.

 

[Pakistanian]

Are you trying to suggest Pakistani women have less personality and good looks than Indian women? lol

Lol most indian guys have no interaction with Pakistani women so they have no idea and we should keep it that way, the less they interact with Pakistani women the better.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Erm, AFAIK Arnold Schwarzenegger won the Mr. Universe title six times in a row. It takes dedication and hard work to even participate in such a contest. Winniythis is quite an achievement I would say.

Mr Universe is a bodybuilding competition, it's a sport. Do you not understand the difference?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

For winning these contests, the women need to have much more than facial beauty. Personality, education and general smartness carry many more points than facial good looks. Guess that is why Pakistani women don't do too well in these?

LOL, I agree, but what's that got to do with a Miss World contest? This is what I mean, you would only get someone from a developing nation who would come out with such tosh. In Britain no one takes these things seriously any more.

 

[Yossarian]

I have always maintained that Pakistani women are much better looking compared to their Indian counterparts.That and the soulful music is the only saving grace for you guys.
We are ahead in every other department.

And don't forget the men too. Same applies.

 

[Moh@n]

Mr Universe is a bodybuilding competition, it's a sport. Do you not understand the difference?

Not many women are bodybuilders. It might not be a sport but it's a massive achievement.

 

[gani999]

Are you trying to suggest Pakistani women have less personality and good looks than Indian women? lol

No, I am merely trying to rile up some Pakistani blokes here who have this one-point-obsession with the "we are better than the Indians" silliness. Nothing gives me more pleasure.

And by the way, I have interacted with and known women from Pakistan, and they have great personalities and looks. I'm not demeaning them in any way.

Learn from your women, Khan.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not many women are bodybuilders. It might not be a sport but it's a massive achievement.

There are millions of women bodybuilders. I know 5 personally. There are competitions inc world championship for women bodybuilders. You cannot compare a sport to a beauty pageant.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No, I am merely trying to rile up some Pakistani blokes here who have this one-point-obsession with the "we are better than the Indians" silliness. Nothing gives me more pleasure.

And by the way, I have interacted with and known women from Pakistan, and they have great personalities and looks. I'm not demeaning them in any way.

Learn from your women, Khan.

thanks for the clarification.

Also they are not my women.

 

[troodon]

Lol most indian guys have no interaction with Pakistani women so they have no idea and we should keep it that way, the less they interact with Pakistani women the better.

The mythical Pakistani beauties. Just like the plasters bowler ever Atul Sharma from India.

We have seen the famous Pak celebrities who tried their hand in Bollywood. We know how overrated they are.

 

[90MPH]

It's def out of fashion here In the UK - and probably most western countries now.

In any case It's upto the individual if they want to participate in such events.

 

[90MPH]

The mythical Pakistani beauties. Just like the plasters bowler ever Atul Sharma from India.

We have seen the famous Pak celebrities who tried their hand in Bollywood. We know how overrated they are.

Just because the mythical Pakistani beauties don't parcipate in your wonderful film industry doesn't mean they don't exist.

I am not saying they are better looking or have better personalities then Indian women but let's not compare them with fast bowlers just because you don't produce them as good as Pakistan which is frankly an absurd comparison.

 

[troodon]

Manushi is not just a beautiful face. She is a 2nd year MBBS student and soon will be a doctor.

She is a beauty with brains. Not easy to find that combo. Congrats to her.

 

[amax]

congrats to her and India

 

[troodon]

Just because the mythical Pakistani beauties don't parcipate in your wonderful film industry doesn't mean they don't exist.

I am not saying they are better looking or have better personalities then Indian women but let's not compare them with fast bowlers just because you don't produce them as good as Pakistan which is frankly an absurd comparison.

Valid comparison.

We have not produced anyone comparable to Wasim or Waqar.

You guys have not produced anyone comparable to Aishwarya or the many others who won the Miss world or Universe titles.

 

[Pakistanian]

Valid comparison.

We have not produced anyone comparable to Wasim or Waqar.

You guys have not produced anyone comparable to Aishwarya or the many others who won the Miss world or Universe titles.

Aishwarya rai isn't even attractive and gauging looks is such a shallow thing. Just cause India has more Miss Worlds than Sweden or Lebanon doesn't mean the average indian is better looking than the average person in those countries.

 

[Pakistanian]

The interesting thing is that you could probably find hundreds of girls who look like the winner among the Pakistani community in Britain, but I don't think you could say that about the Indian community in the US.

Most of them look like Mindy Kaling or that Indian chick that won miss usa.

 

[90MPH]

Valid comparison.

We have not produced anyone comparable to Wasim or Waqar.

You guys have not produced anyone comparable to Aishwarya or the many others who won the Miss world or Universe titles.

lol, maybe because Pakistan doesn't enter these competitions for cultural reasons. Personally I think there shouldn't be barriers for them if they do want to enter them should they wish to.

But that shouldn't be a measurement just because you have Aishwarya that Pakistan doesnt have good looking women. If you had the chance to visit Pakistan you would know that statement is simply not true.

In any case looks alone shouldn't be the criteria to judge women. Some of the best looking women have the most awful personalities.

 

[CricketCartoons]

It's def out of fashion here In the UK - and probably most western countries now.

In any case It's upto the individual if they want to participate in such events.

Was it covered in prominent british newspapers? I assume it would have been reported only as a filler news. Maybe if England had won, they would have reported it in page 3 at best.

 

[troodon]

Aishwarya rai isn't even attractive and gauging looks is such a shallow thing. Just cause India has more Miss Worlds than Sweden or Lebanon doesn't mean the average indian is better looking than the average person in those countries.

Lebanese or Swedes are better looking. I am not talking about them.

My response was simply to posters who were claiming that Pak women are better than Indian women.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Lebanese or Swedes are better looking. I am not talking about them.

My response was simply to posters who were claiming that Pak women are better than Indian women.

It is a matter of personal preference. Not something absolute or to be debated.

 

[90MPH]

Was it covered in prominent british newspapers? I assume it would have been reported only as a filler news. Maybe if England had won, they would have reported it in page 3 at best.

It used to be hyped on UK television about 15/20years ago but no one talks about it now as no one cares or is interested. It's all about reality tv shows these days.

 

[amax]

It is a matter of personal preference. Not something absolute or to be debated.

yeah sensible post women from both countries are beautiful imo

 

[Pakistanian]

Lebanese or Swedes are better looking. I am not talking about them.

My response was simply to posters who were claiming that Pak women are better than Indian women.

In the subcontinent and in most of the world there's the caucasian standard of beauty, the further north you travel in south asia the closer you get to that standard - the same standard that made you admit that Swedes and Lebanese are better looking. Pakistan being northwest of India is closer to that standard than India is, so id we were to follow tradional norms than Pakistanis would be considered better looking however i dont subscribe to those conventional ideas of what's considered good looking. Indians/Sri Lankans have their own look, and that's something y'all shouldn't be ashamed about.

 

[troodon]

In the subcontinent and in most of the world there's the caucasian standard of beauty, the further north you travel in south asia the closer you get to that standard - the same standard that made you admit that Swedes and Lebanese are better looking. Pakistan being northwest of India is closer to that standard than India is, so id we were to follow tradional norms than Pakistanis would be considered better looking however i dont subscribe to those conventional ideas of what's considered good looking. <b>Indians/Sri Lankans have their own look, and that's something y'all shouldn't be ashamed about </b>.

Who is ashamed?

I don’t particularly like the northwest euro look. It’s just my preference. I like the Italian/Greek/Portuguese/South American look. So your theory of further north doesn’t apply to everyone. I like tanned skin.

May be you are ashamed.

 

[TM Riddle]

Miss World isn't even covered in the UK any more, I think it went out of fashion about 20 years ago. Maybe it's still seen as important in some third world countries.

IMO hindu women shouldn't be allowed in this contest but that's just me.

 

[Abdul]

Nah. These competitions are fine.

 

[Abdul]

Erm, AFAIK Arnold Schwarzenegger won the Mr. Universe title six times in a row. It takes dedication and hard work to even participate in such a contest. Winning this is quite an achievement I would say.

That's goals.

 

[TM Riddle]

Hindu women shouldn't contest this competition imo.

 

[gani999]

LOL, I agree, but what's that got to do with a Miss World contest? This is what I mean, you would only get someone from a developing nation who would come out with such tosh. In Britain no one takes these things seriously any more.

Well this year's runner up is British. And a look at the winner's lists for the last few years shows that there are almost as many from developed countries as there are from developing ones. So the interest is definitely there.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well this year's runner up is British. And a look at the winner's lists for the last few years shows that there are almost as many from developed countries as there are from developing ones. So the interest is definitely there.

There's no interest at all here, I wouldn't have known about it if I hadn't come on here today. Just because there is an entrant it doesn't mean the rest of the country cares. These sort of competitions probably only get interest from third world nations where they don't see many nice women so they sit there perving over the tv when the competition rolls round. Then they'll try to cover their tracks by claiming it's the brains which they find attractive.

 

[Pakistanian]

Who is ashamed?

I don’t particularly like the northwest euro look. It’s just my preference. I like the Italian/Greek/Portuguese/South American look. So your theory of further north doesn’t apply to everyone. I like tanned skin.

May be you are ashamed.

All the ethnicities you names are caucasian and Mediterraneans, and Pakistan is closer to the Mediterranean thab India is. It's funny you claim you're not ashamed and that Indians are better looking yet your people are further removed from the standard you aspire.

 

[Snak3eye5]

There's no interest at all here, I wouldn't have known about it if I hadn't come on here today. Just because there is an entrant it doesn't mean the rest of the country cares. These sort of competitions probably only get interest from third world nations where they don't see many nice women so they sit there perving over the tv when the competition rolls round. Then they'll try to cover their tracks by claiming it's the brains which they find attractive.

Bitter much ? JUst because you don't care shouldn't mean that you should lump the rest of you're fellowmen under one umbrella. Also one shouldn't take away a win from the winner or the rest of the contestants. It's most likely a grueling affair to compete and whether it's not competitive as some other sport, it takes guts and inspiration to take part, diet, excercise, talk in front of so many people and finally win out of so many contestants. I don't think anyone here should take that away from any of the contestants, winners from this or past winners of any beauty competitions ...I think it's insulting to say that it's third world countries that actually watch and that sort of stuff. Would that opinion change if Pakistan was in the competition ?? I could make the arguement that India doesn't care either since they have been winning since the 90's in the Miss world and Miss Universe competitions probably even earlier. I don't even know what the count is anymore and I certainly could also make the case that Pakistan if allowed their woman to take part in these competitions would win as many since they obviously have the same genes...

 

[troodon]

All the ethnicities you names are caucasian and Mediterraneans, and Pakistan is closer to the Mediterranean thab India is. It's funny you claim you're not ashamed and that Indians are better looking yet your people are further removed from the standard you aspire.

Who is aspiring the standard?

Where I live there are plenty of Black Americans who are super cute and hot. None can match them when it comes to hotness. I like the tanned skin on African Americans and South Americans.

Don’t know where you got the Caucasian look and stuff. If you think that is the only look that can be beautiful, then there are millions of people in India too who have that tanned Caucasian look.

If you remove the pathans and Balochis, the rest of Pakistan like Sindhis and Punjabis are similar to Indians. So don’t know why you keep saying you guys are close to the Mediterranean people.

 

[Yossarian]

Who is aspiring the standard?

Where I live there are plenty of Black Americans who are super cute and hot. None can match them when it comes to hotness. I like the tanned skin on African Americans and South Americans.

DonÂ’t know where you got the Caucasian look and stuff. If you think that is the only look that can be beautiful, then there are millions of people in India too who have that tanned Caucasian look.

Of course there are. But we're talking about the general overall look, and not just that of a few millions (or even a few tens of millions) out of a population of 1.3 billion.

All you have to do is to look at the Bollywood movie and Indian tv soaps industries, the strong Indian market for skin lightening products, or even the "fair skin" touted, and required, as qualities in prospective marital partners, as proof of the caucasian look / lighter skin as being most Indians ideals of beauty.

If you remove the pathans and Balochis, the rest of Pakistan like Sindhis and Punjabis are similar to Indians. So donÂ’t know why you keep saying you guys are close to the Mediterranean people.

Why should the Pathans and Balochis be removed from the equation? They are as much Pakistanis as the Sindhis and Punjabis. It's like saying whilst ignoring the peoples of Indian Punjab and all the other northern states, and just taking only Tamil Nadu and the other southern Indian states, plus only West Bengal and the states east of West Bengal, as being the representative of the overall Indian look.

 

[Pakistanian]

Who is aspiring the standard?

Where I live there are plenty of Black Americans who are super cute and hot. None can match them when it comes to hotness. I like the tanned skin on African Americans and South Americans.

Don’t know where you got the Caucasian look and stuff. If you think that is the only look that can be beautiful, then there are millions of people in India too who have that tanned Caucasian look.

If you remove the pathans and Balochis, the rest of Pakistan like Sindhis and Punjabis are similar to Indians. So don’t know why you keep saying you guys are close to the Mediterranean people.

I live in America, in fact in the metroplex like you do and I have seen plenty of Pakistanis and Indians and can tell us a apart 8 times out of 10. What's funny is that most Pakistanis here are either Punjabis, Urdu people, Memons and Aga Khanis yet they're all better looking than any of the indians I've met lol.

 

[CricketCartoons]

There's no interest at all here, I wouldn't have known about it if I hadn't come on here today. Just because there is an entrant it doesn't mean the rest of the country cares. These sort of competitions probably only get interest from third world nations where they don't see many nice women so they sit there perving over the tv when the competition rolls round. Then they'll try to cover their tracks by claiming it's the brains which they find attractive.

Which just shows how UK has advanced into a mature nation in just a few years, as this event was started in UK, the most number of miss world events were held in UK, the last one being held way back in 2014. I am sure this will also help in solving UK's rape culture, now that they have stopped objectifying women.

 

[saadibaba]

So predictable how this thread quickly went from discussing whether Miss World/Universe competitions are demeaning to women to who has the better looking women....lol

Miss World/Universe competitions have become relics of the 80's and 90's, a time when people used to like Baywatch, when the "Thong song" by Sisqo was a hit and having bikini clad girls walk on the ramp was considered daring. In todays hyper-exploitative and overly unhinged culture, competitions like these are not even covered by mainstream media unless some goof-up happens or if some contestant gives an unintentionally hilarious reply to one of those standard questions like "If you could be either water or fire, which would you be and why"

That being said, if some poor girl is getting a chance to get some fame and money out of this competition and its opening other potential opportunities for her in the future than why should anyone be against that.

As for being exploitative to women. Like the event, this debate has also become cliched and is only being made by old school feminists or high minded PC warriors. Like the saying goes "The show must go on".

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Bitter much ? JUst because you don't care shouldn't mean that you should lump the rest of you're fellowmen under one umbrella. Also one shouldn't take away a win from the winner or the rest of the contestants. It's most likely a grueling affair to compete and whether it's not competitive as some other sport, it takes guts and inspiration to take part, diet, excercise, talk in front of so many people and finally win out of so many contestants. I don't think anyone here should take that away from any of the contestants, winners from this or past winners of any beauty competitions ...I think it's insulting to say that it's third world countries that actually watch and that sort of stuff. Would that opinion change if Pakistan was in the competition ?? I could make the arguement that India doesn't care either since they have been winning since the 90's in the Miss world and Miss Universe competitions probably even earlier. I don't even know what the count is anymore and I certainly could also make the case that Pakistan if allowed their woman to take part in these competitions would win as many since they obviously have the same genes...

You seem to be misinformed, I don't live in Pakistan, so when I say this event isn't covered here, I am talking about the UK not Pakistan. This is the second time I've been called bitter for just telling you guys that the event was considered unfashionable here decades ago. People just don't see women parading in this sort of event as appropriate any more. I don't make these decisions, it's just how society has evolved in the modern world.

If you read the above post from saadibaba, he pretty much says the same thing.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You seem to be misinformed, I don't live in Pakistan, so when I say this event isn't covered here, I am talking about the UK not Pakistan. This is the second time I've been called bitter for just telling you guys that the event was considered unfashionable here decades ago. People just don't see women parading in this sort of event as appropriate any more. I don't make these decisions, it's just how society has evolved in the modern world.

If you read the above post from saadibaba, he pretty much says the same thing.

You are misinformed about UK. Miss world was held in London just 3 years ago.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Which just shows how UK has advanced into a mature nation in just a few years, as this event was started in UK, the most number of miss world events were held in UK, the last one being held way back in 2014. I am sure this will also help in solving UK's rape culture, now that they have stopped objectifying women.

Don't get me wrong, UK guys like to do their perving as well, the thriving porn industry is testament to that. But that is regulated and those who indulge will do so privately, there won't be any asinine excuses for it like "oh these girls work hard, it's their brains we admire!" Western people are very adept at compartmentalising their desires and traits and thus can present a very sophisticated and admirable front that you third worlders are still learning.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You are misinformed about UK. Miss world was held in London just 3 years ago.

Which proves my point. It was held right under our noses, but the average Joe wouldn't even be aware of it.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Which proves my point. It was held right under our noses, but the average Joe wouldn't even be aware of it.

If you are the only average joe, then yes. But you being ignorant about what is happening in UK only says about you, not UK.

You should read UK newspapers..the mirror, independent, daily mail have covered the news. And that when their miss england lost. Wonder what would be the reaction if they had won.