'No Dalit, tribal women in Miss India list': Rahul Gandhi's fresh jibe at Centre

[CricketCartoons]

You asked me if I would and I said yes. I'm certainly aware that dalit discriminaion still happens in Ind and it is just so so wrong. Jeez we are in the 21st century. And because it said in a book that it was ok - doesn't mean it is followed. It's wrong and needs to be banned.
Afaik i think there are laws in Ind banning it. It's a mindset thing. I don't know how any human being can discriminate someone on a horrendous thing like this.

There is a lot done by governments for dalits and tribals.

Reservation in colleges and government jobs.
Non bailable ACT to prevent atrocities against them. Even using a slur against them is enough to put someone in jail and is non bailable.
Reserved constituencies. Where parties have to select candidates only from Dalits and Tribals from those constituencies.
There are politically so strong that no party can go against them.

The problem lies in representation in other areas, which are not government controlled. The most visible being bollywood, which is controlled by punjabi hindu khatris and upper caste muslims, and propagate caste biases.

Caste is here to stay but in a different consolidated form. There will be one general caste which will inter marry. Then there will be the other backward caste which will be close to general caste. The third category will be dalits (which are multiple castes) and tribals(which are also multiple).

Dalits don't intermarry among dalits. Tribals don't intermarry among other tribals. Most of the benefits of dalits have been gathered by Jatavs/chamaars community and most of the tribal benefits by Meena community. There will be a non jaatav dalit category and non meena tribal category which will be the dalits among the dalits.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You asked me if I would and I said yes. I'm certainly aware that dalit discriminaion still happens in Ind and it is just so so wrong. Jeez we are in the 21st century. And because it said in a book that it was ok - doesn't mean it is followed. It's wrong and needs to be banned.
Afaik i think there are laws in Ind banning it. It's a mindset thing. I don't know how any human being can discriminate someone on a horrendous thing like this.

I agree. The problem is when you have religious texts which most followers interpret as such a people are less humans it’s near impossible to end such discrimination. Laws are great but clearly not properly upheld as this is still a huge issue.

Imo it’s best for Dalits to convert , many have .

 

[CricketCartoons]

I have a dalit (jaatav) friend who is successful. Came through reservation, took 6 years to complete the 4 year college degree, but had lots of business acumen, if not academic quality, and built network during college and is now a successful entrepreneur. I am invested in his company. He loaned my his SUV during my marriage, and the SUV had a dalit flag. So many guests thought I am a dalit too.

Another dalit friend, who also came through reservation, and got out with decent marks and is working in a government company. His mother used to ferry water for other people. He came from a much poorer background than me and made me realize the value of reservation for them.

In college, dalit students were allowed 8 books from the library, while non dalit were allowed 4 books at a time. So we would take help of our dalit friends to get more books issued, and the only condition was to teach them the subject before the exam.

Another tribal friend, but his forefathers used to do business with Tibet, and was a prosperous tribe. This one I was jealous of. Because he didn't come from any backward community. He was just lucky that his community got listed as a tribe. The reason I was jealous of him because he didn't have to pay any college fees or hostel fees. I didn't have to pay college fees too because of some scholarship, but still had to pay the hostel and mess fees with no income in my family.

My conclusion was that reservation has definitely lifted many dalits out of poverty, but there are some undeserving tribes who should not be treated as tribes because they are taking away benefits meant for the real unprivileged tribals.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I agree. The problem is when you have religious texts which most followers interpret as such a people are less humans it’s near impossible to end such discrimination. Laws are great but clearly not properly upheld as this is still a huge issue.

Imo it’s best for Dalits to convert , many have .

Will you support editing or censoring any religious texts which cause discrimination?

 

[deltexas]

I agree. The problem is when you have religious texts which most followers interpret as such a people are less humans it’s near impossible to end such discrimination. Laws are great but clearly not properly upheld as this is still a huge issue.

Imo it’s best for Dalits to convert , many have .

Every religious text will have improper or imperfect things. The bottomline is the gist - be a good person , do good things simple. Folks here on this forum itself will scream blasphemy if I say some things in the Islamic texts are not compatible with the modern era. And you preach to convert ??

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I have a dalit (jaatav) friend who is successful. Came through reservation, took 6 years to complete the 4 year college degree, but had lots of business acumen, if not academic quality, and built network during college and is now a successful entrepreneur. I am invested in his company. He loaned my his SUV during my marriage, and the SUV had a dalit flag. So many guests thought I am a dalit too.

Another dalit friend, who also came through reservation, and got out with decent marks and is working in a government company. His mother used to ferry water for other people. He came from a much poorer background than me and made me realize the value of reservation for them.

In college, dalit students were allowed 8 books from the library, while non dalit were allowed 4 books at a time. So we would take help of our dalit friends to get more books issued, and the only condition was to teach them the subject before the exam.

Another tribal friend, but his forefathers used to do business with Tibet, and was a prosperous tribe. This one I was jealous of. Because he didn't come from any backward community. He was just lucky that his community got listed as a tribe. The reason I was jealous of him because he didn't have to pay any college fees or hostel fees. I didn't have to pay college fees too because of some scholarship, but still had to pay the hostel and mess fees with no income in my family.

My conclusion was that reservation has definitely lifted many dalits out of poverty, but there are some undeserving tribes who should not be treated as tribes because they are taking away benefits meant for the real unprivileged tribals.

What's the logic behind the book allowances?

I'm guessing it's because they are poor so need to use library more than other caste. Is there any official reasoning?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Sure , there is no caste system in Islam .

Youre an atheist but again run to the defence of caste discrimination.

What Hindu texts show this is valid & what is their logic ?

Never going to defend Manu Smriti. It is one of the worst books ever to exist. Any book that divides people based on caste, sex, faith, race must be banned and thrown into garbage.

Caste system was a bad idea and such ideas should be in drainage.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Every religious text will have improper or imperfect things. The bottomline is the gist - be a good person , do good things simple. Folks here on this forum itself will scream blasphemy if I say some things in the Islamic texts are not compatible with the modern era. And you preach to convert ??

I disagree. I wouldn’t follow any faith which has such blatant caste discrimination. It’s not interpreted, it’s clear.

What should happen is these famous Hindus such as Yogi & other priests should come out & demand this is no longer in society but they believe & accept it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Will you support editing or censoring any religious texts which cause discrimination?

This is up to you & fellow Hindus .

 

[CricketCartoons]

What's the logic behind the book allowances?

I'm guessing it's because they are poor so need to use library more than other caste. Is there any official reasoning?

Maybe because they could not afford to buy books and to help them study. They also couple keep the books for the full semester, while general category students had to return the books in 1 month, and reissue if there was no other request for the book. But it was never an issue. It was actually beneficial because we could get more books issues with the help of dalit friends.

There was another program, where if the dalit student did not do well in the entrance exam, they were called to the institute and given a 1 year preparatory course by the college professors of the premier institute. Usually they qualified (through quotas) after spending the year in the college learning from the professors.

There was no bad blood between the general and dalit students, because once you entered the system, you had to face the same rigours. The exams were same and there were no extra marks for dalit students. They were equals after getting into the system.

One dalit (chamaar community) friend who took 6 years to complete the 4 year course told me that it was the lowest point of his life, to suddenly compete with people who had an advantage in studies, and it made him feel worse about himself. But that was not unique to dalit students, many of us were humbled and developed inferiority complex seeing some very brilliant minds. I still feel ashamed of myself when I meet my peers.

 

[CricketCartoons]

This is up to you & fellow Hindus .

You think discrimination is only in hindus?

I sense your morality will suddenly go to sleep if I raise discrimination in Islam.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Never going to defend Manu Smriti. It is one of the worst books ever to exist. Any book that divides people based on caste, sex, faith, race must be banned and thrown into garbage.

Caste system was a bad idea and such ideas should be in drainage.

Manu Smriti is no different than other religious books.

But you will not say the same about Bible and the Quraan, which have many objectionable and discriminatory texts.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You think discrimination is only in hindus?

I sense your morality will suddenly go to sleep if I raise discrimination in Islam.

There can be no discrimination in Islam as Islam itself is the discrimination.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Manu Smriti is no different than other religious books.

But you will not say the same about Bible and the Quraan, which have many objectionable and discriminatory texts.

No point in bringing Bible or Quran into this thread. It will completely derail this thread.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Never going to defend Manu Smriti. It is one of the worst books ever to exist. Any book that divides people based on caste, sex, faith, race must be banned and thrown into garbage.

Let him not utter that which is false; let him not utter the truth that is unkind; let him utter the truth in such a way that it is pleasing to others."
(Manusmriti 4:138)
"Let him feed the poor and indigent, the godly men, the accomplished men, the destitute, and all living creatures."
(Manusmriti 4:32)
"Let him not, even though in the greatest distress, incline towards unrighteousness, for the man who remains firm in righteousness obtains an imperishable bliss."
(Manusmriti 4:170)
"Let him behave towards others as he would towards himself."
(Manusmriti 6:92)

 

[CricketCartoons]

No point in bringing Bible or Quran into this thread. It will completely derail this thread.

Have you even read the Manusmriti? You declared it the worst book to exist. I posted some verses from it. Tell me what you think of them.

And should I post verses from Bible and Quraan? I have copies of King James edition and Pickthall and Yusuf Alis translation.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Have you even read the Manusmriti? You declared it the worst book to exist. I posted some verses from it. Tell me what you think of them.

And should I post verses from Bible and Quraan? I have copies of King James edition and Pickthall and Yusuf Alis translation.

Caste system is a bad idea. We cannot divide society into 4 groups based on their attributes.
No matter what its intentions are, it was exploited by certain castes for centuries. Should be relegated to trash.

 

[CricketCartoons]

There can be no discrimination in Islam as Islam itself is the discrimination.

I have NO interest in discussing Islam in a way which will hurt muslims.

Problem is people like KKWC and Champ Pal, one whose morality and humanity wakes up and goes to sleep based on which religion they are discussing.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Caste system is a bad idea. We cannot divide society into 4 groups based on their attributes.
No matter what its intentions are, it was exploited by certain castes for centuries. Should be relegated to trash.

caste system is just division of labour, and it was fluid (Rig Veda has the proof). Later during Gupta Age it got solidified (genetic studies have proved that) because the haves wanted to keep the have nots out. Every society had its haves and have nots. problem started with Gupta Age and remedy started during 1800. We are living in the best time in history for Dalits.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Have you even read the Manusmriti? You declared it the worst book to exist. I posted some verses from it. Tell me what you think of them.

And should I post verses from Bible and Quraan? I have copies of King James edition and Pickthall and Yusuf Alis translation.

You are the first hindu I can recall who has defended the Manusmriti. Most are too embarrassed by some of it's scriptures that they disassociate from it publicly, even though many of it's teachings still strike a chord deep in their hearts. Your in depth defence of the historic traditions of hinduism are certainly praiseworthy.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Let him not utter that which is false; let him not utter the truth that is unkind; let him utter the truth in such a way that it is pleasing to others."
(Manusmriti 4:138)
"Let him feed the poor and indigent, the godly men, the accomplished men, the destitute, and all living creatures."
(Manusmriti 4:32)
"Let him not, even though in the greatest distress, incline towards unrighteousness, for the man who remains firm in righteousness obtains an imperishable bliss."
(Manusmriti 4:170)
"Let him behave towards others as he would towards himself."
(Manusmriti 6:92)

The Laws of Manu VIII

sacred-texts.com

A low-caste man who tries to place himself on the same seat with a man of a high caste, shall be branded on his hip and be banished, or (the king) shall cause his buttock to be gashed. Chapter 8, 281

With whatever limb a man of a low caste does hurt to (a man of the three) highest (castes), even that limb shall be cut off; that is the teaching of Manu. Chapter 8, 279

If he arrogantly teaches Brahmanas their duty, the king shall cause hot oil to be poured into his mouth and into his ears.

 

[Champ_Pal]

caste system is just division of labour, and it was fluid (Rig Veda has the proof). Later during Gupta Age it got solidified (genetic studies have proved that) because the haves wanted to keep the have nots out. Every society had its haves and have nots. problem started with Gupta Age and remedy started during 1800. We are living in the best time in history for Dalits.

It was fluid initially. But it got codified and the boundaries became rock hard. Hence it should be rejected and kicked to the curb.

We are over compensating now for Dalits. They should be given financial help. Not direct reserved seats for undeserving Dalits.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You think discrimination is only in hindus?

I sense your morality will suddenly go to sleep if I raise discrimination in Islam.

You seem wanting to dunk a biscuit in another tea .

There is no other such same discrimination in any other major faith . Only in India can one Hindu not be allowed in a Hindu temple. It’s crackers really , very stupid .

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The Laws of Manu VIII

sacred-texts.com

A low-caste man who tries to place himself on the same seat with a man of a high caste, shall be branded on his hip and be banished, or (the king) shall cause his buttock to be gashed. Chapter 8, 281

With whatever limb a man of a low caste does hurt to (a man of the three) highest (castes), even that limb shall be cut off; that is the teaching of Manu. Chapter 8, 279

If he arrogantly teaches Brahmanas their duty, the king shall cause hot oil to be poured into his mouth and into his ears.

Seems like a way to keep social hierarchies.

I have read that inter mingling of caste and inter caste marriages is a sign we are in Kali Yuga.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You seem wanting to dunk a biscuit in another tea .

There is no other such same discrimination in any other major faith . Only in India can one Hindu not be allowed in a Hindu temple. It’s crackers really , very stupid .

Men equal to two women is not discrimination? One half of humanity is more equal than other half of humanity is not discrimination?

 

[CricketCartoons]

It was fluid initially. But it got codified and the boundaries became rock hard. Hence it should be rejected and kicked to the curb.

We are over compensating now for Dalits. They should be given financial help. Not direct reserved seats for undeserving Dalits.

Manu Smriti is no different from other religious texts which have some universally good verses and some clearly discriminating ones, which have no place today.

Manusmriti is not even a religious text for hindus. It was a legal text, like hindus' sharia system. How many hindus you know have even read it and follow it?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Manu Smriti is no different from other religious texts which have some universally good verses and some clearly discriminating ones, which have no place today.

Manusmriti is not even a religious text for hindus. It was a legal text, like hindus' sharia system. How many hindus you know have even read it and follow it?

I agree to that. That is why we should criticize all scriptures that discriminate.

Manu Smriti as you have mentioned is just a law book written by men. It should be criticized like any man made draconian law book. People think that you need to follow Manu Smriti to be a Hindu. But it is not. Sanatana Dharma is far older than this pathetic book.

Shudras are the heart of Hinduism. Without them, Hinduism will perish.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Men equal to two women is not discrimination? One half of humanity is more equal than other half of humanity is not discrimination?

Because they are not , you’re confusing physical attributes to belief .

How does a Dalit know which temple he is allowed into ?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Because they are not , you’re confusing physical attributes to belief .

How does a Dalit know which temple he is allowed into ?

The male witness is equal to two female witnesses. What has that to do with physical attributes?

How many female prophets were sent?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Maybe because they could not afford to buy books and to help them study. They also couple keep the books for the full semester, while general category students had to return the books in 1 month, and reissue if there was no other request for the book. But it was never an issue. It was actually beneficial because we could get more books issues with the help of dalit friends.

There was another program, where if the dalit student did not do well in the entrance exam, they were called to the institute and given a 1 year preparatory course by the college professors of the premier institute. Usually they qualified (through quotas) after spending the year in the college learning from the professors.

There was no bad blood between the general and dalit students, because once you entered the system, you had to face the same rigours. The exams were same and there were no extra marks for dalit students. They were equals after getting into the system.

One dalit (chamaar community) friend who took 6 years to complete the 4 year course told me that it was the lowest point of his life, to suddenly compete with people who had an advantage in studies, and it made him feel worse about himself. But that was not unique to dalit students, many of us were humbled and developed inferiority complex seeing some very brilliant minds. I still feel ashamed of myself when I meet my peers.

you have good knowledge on this I want to ask two questions not fully related but I am curious about it.

Is concept of lineage important to Hindus? Since a person is reborn based on deeds of past life ( my simplistic understanding), does it matter who his lineage is?

Secondly, for devout Dalit in particular, isn't it preferable for them to clean toilets or sewage and get good karma than read books in the library ( from a religious Pov)?

 

[CricketCartoons]

So women are half as reliable as men, because of physical attributes in Islam? That is why you need two females to match one male? Which physical attribute makes them half as reliable?

Why is there a difference in inheritance law if you have a single son vs a single daughter?

 

[CricketCartoons]

you have good knowledge on this I want to ask two questions not fully related but I am curious about it.

Is concept of lineage important to Hindus? Since a person is reborn based on deeds of past life ( my simplistic understanding), does it matter who his lineage is?

Secondly, for devout Dalit in particular, isn't it preferable for them to clean toilets or sewage and get good karma than read books in the library ( from a religious Pov)?

The karma system has its pros and cons. pros: It motivates you to do good. cons: It can justify your current state as result of your past (mis)deeds.

So when karma if used to justify the state of dalits, then it becomes a tool for injustice.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Youre slow , again physical attributes concerning.

It’s fine , you are scared of answering the topic due to lack of knowledge.

There should be signs on all temples to allow any caste of Hindus in.

You did not answer Cartoon's question.

Why no Female Prophets and why is a female witness half as equal to a male's witness?

 

[CricketCartoons]

I agree to that. That is why we should criticize all scriptures that discriminate.

Manu Smriti as you have mentioned is just a law book written by men. It should be criticized like any man made draconian law book. People think that you need to follow Manu Smriti to be a Hindu. But it is not. Sanatana Dharma is far older than this pathetic book.

Shudras are the heart of Hinduism. Without them, Hinduism will perish.

Shudras and Dalits are different.
Chandragupta Maurya was a shudra.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You did not answer Cartoon's question.

Why no Female Prophets and why is a female witness half as equal to a male's witness?

Actually he answered it, that women are inferior to men in every aspect. He firmly believes it and doesn't see it as discrimination, but the natural and divine way. Women are half of men in every aspect.
That is why you should know how to discuss with islamists like him. But hindus like you are too fixated with being balanced and neutral, when islamists like him are blind to discrimination in their religion and have eagle vision for discrimination in your religion.

 

[Hitman]

Actually he answered it, that women are inferior to men in every aspect. He firmly believes it and doesn't see it as discrimination, but the natural and divine way. Women are half of men in every aspect.
That is why you should know how to discuss with islamists like him. But hindus like you are too fixated with being balanced and neutral, when islamists like him are blind to discrimination in their religion and have eagle vision for discrimination in your religion.

I'm actually surprised that you are surprised.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Actually he answered it, that women are inferior to men in every aspect. He firmly believes it and doesn't see it as discrimination, but the natural and divine way. Women are half of men in every aspect.
That is why you should know how to discuss with islamists like him. But hindus like you are too fixated with being balanced and neutral, when islamists like him are blind to discrimination in their religion and have eagle vision for discrimination in your religion.

I don't know if that is what he said, but it is not a correct belief that women are inferior in every aspect. The Islamic view is that women have different attributes, in some they excel above men, in others men are better suited. A man cannot breast feed a child for example, so how could he be superior as a mother?

 

[CricketCartoons]

I don't know if that is what he said, but it is not a correct belief that women are inferior in every aspect. The Islamic view is that women have different attributes, in some they excel above men, in others men are better suited. A man cannot breast feed a child for example, so how could he be superior as a mother?

KKWC said that female witnesses are half as reliable as males because of their physical attributes. Like is their eyesight weaker, or their hearing power weaker, or their capacity to speak the truth half as that of men?

No civilized state treats women as half as reliable as men, but he thinks it is totally justified because of womens physical traits.

 

[MP2011]

Dumb take by Rahul Gandhi. Not surprised though.

He is overdoing this caste stuff. Had he been smart, he'd have done subtle caste politics after LS elections. Even Mandal parties started receiving diminishing returns from their caste politics in '90s itself and this is 2024 we are living in!

 

[deltexas]

I disagree. I wouldn’t follow any faith which has such blatant caste discrimination. It’s not interpreted, it’s clear.

What should happen is these famous Hindus such as Yogi & other priests should come out & demand this is no longer in society but they believe & accept it.

And that is fine - each one has the right to do what they want.

I disagree. I wouldn’t follow any faith which has such blatant caste discrimination. It’s not interpreted, it’s clear.

What should happen is these famous Hindus such as Yogi & other priests should come out & demand this is no longer in society but they believe & accept it.

I disagree to you as well. Every religion has imperfections - if you disagree on that, there is nothing I can say. Religions are man made and they will have imperfections. But this is about Dalits and tribal women in Ind - so will stick to that

 

[Champ_Pal]

Dumb take by Rahul Gandhi. Not surprised though.

He is overdoing this caste stuff. Had he been smart, he'd have done subtle caste politics after LS elections. Even Mandal parties started receiving diminishing returns from their caste politics in '90s itself and this is 2024 we are living in!

This is the only way Congress can win.

BJP wins when they unite the Hindu vote bank. They are not getting any minority votes.

Congress wins when they divide Hindu vote bank by caste. This is why they pander to SC/ST and OBC's. They are the majority of Hindus in India.
Congress also has to fight Pro Muslim parties like Owaisi Party, Samajwadi party and Dalit parties like BSP.
Congress Mantra of dividing Hindus on caste is used by countless local parties too.

I don't blame Rahul. He is only doing what will get him to power. Divide and conquer.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Rahul Gandhi, Akhilesh Yadav Slam UP Govt After Dalit Girls' Bodies Found Hanging From Tree​

Leader of Opposition in the Lok Sabha Rahul Gandhi and Samajwadi Party chief Akhilesh Yadav on Wednesday slammed the Uttar Pradesh government after the bodies of two Dalit girls were found hanging from a tree in Fatehgarh. The opposition alleged expecting justice under a BJP rule is a 'crime'.

Yadav took to his official X account and vented, lashing out at the Yogi government for their silence in the matter. He posted: "The silence of the BJP government in the case of the suspicious death of two girls in Farrukhabad is disturbing. Perhaps there is a double reason for this --

one is the BJP's anti-women thinking and attitude, and the other is their being Dalits. The Samajwadi Party will send a delegation in this regard to offer condolences as well as raise its voice for justice,".

Echoing the same, Gandhi too, took to X and uploaded a post in Hindi, taking a dig at the Yogi government in the state for their alleged indifference towards the case. He wrote: "Even expecting justice under a BJP government is a crime! What can one expect from those whose priority is not justice but hiding the crime even in the most serious incidents against the weak and the deprived?"

Hinting at the Yogi government's downfall, Yadav said that people have no hope left in the BJP government. "Whenever the BJP raises women's issues, there is only political gain behind it. That is why it raises its voice in opposition-ruled states, but in BJP-ruled states, it closes its mouth, eyes, ears and all doors of morality in the case of crimes against women," he added in his post on X.

Meanwhile, Priyanka Gandhi asserted that security is the right of every daughter of India and justice is the right of every victim's family. She questioned why a father needs to raise such questions after a horrific incident like this.

"Doesn't a victim's father have the right to know the truth about the treatment meted out to his daughter? Why is the administration in a hurry to cremate the bodies of the girls?" she wrote in Hindi on X.

Commenting on the condition of Dalits in the country, she said that be it Hathras, Unnao or Farrukhabad, it is the same cruel story that is repeated everywhere. "So should the Dalits, backward, deprived, poor, women or whoever is weak, give up hope of justice now, she questioned. The Aam Aadmi Party, too, has slammed the BJP regarding the incident.

About The Incident: The bodies of two Dalit girls, aged 15 and 18 years, were found hanging from a tree in Uttar Pradesh’s Farrukhabad on Tuesday morning. Farrukhabad Superintendent of Police (SP), Alok Priyadarshi said that the bodies were found in a mango orchard in a village near Kayamganj.

The father of one of the two girls alleged that both of them were murdered but the police said prima facie it appeared that the two girls died by suicide. Investigation is underway, police confirmed.

Rahul Gandhi, Akhilesh Yadav Slam UP Govt After Dalit Girls' Bodies Found Hanging From Tree

Leader of Opposition in the Lok Sabha Rahul Gandhi and Samajwadi Party chief Akhilesh Yadav criticised the Uttar Pradesh government after two Dalit teenage girls were found hanging from a tree in Fatehgarh. They said expecting justice under a BJP rule is a 'crime' and alleged that the BJP is...

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[The Bald Eagle]

Rahul Gandhi, Akhilesh Yadav Slam UP Govt After Dalit Girls' Bodies Found Hanging From Tree​

Leader of Opposition in the Lok Sabha Rahul Gandhi and Samajwadi Party chief Akhilesh Yadav on Wednesday slammed the Uttar Pradesh government after the bodies of two Dalit girls were found hanging from a tree in Fatehgarh. The opposition alleged expecting justice under a BJP rule is a 'crime'.

Yadav took to his official X account and vented, lashing out at the Yogi government for their silence in the matter. He posted: "The silence of the BJP government in the case of the suspicious death of two girls in Farrukhabad is disturbing. Perhaps there is a double reason for this --

one is the BJP's anti-women thinking and attitude, and the other is their being Dalits. The Samajwadi Party will send a delegation in this regard to offer condolences as well as raise its voice for justice,".

Echoing the same, Gandhi too, took to X and uploaded a post in Hindi, taking a dig at the Yogi government in the state for their alleged indifference towards the case. He wrote: "Even expecting justice under a BJP government is a crime! What can one expect from those whose priority is not justice but hiding the crime even in the most serious incidents against the weak and the deprived?"

Hinting at the Yogi government's downfall, Yadav said that people have no hope left in the BJP government. "Whenever the BJP raises women's issues, there is only political gain behind it. That is why it raises its voice in opposition-ruled states, but in BJP-ruled states, it closes its mouth, eyes, ears and all doors of morality in the case of crimes against women," he added in his post on X.

Meanwhile, Priyanka Gandhi asserted that security is the right of every daughter of India and justice is the right of every victim's family. She questioned why a father needs to raise such questions after a horrific incident like this.

"Doesn't a victim's father have the right to know the truth about the treatment meted out to his daughter? Why is the administration in a hurry to cremate the bodies of the girls?" she wrote in Hindi on X.

Commenting on the condition of Dalits in the country, she said that be it Hathras, Unnao or Farrukhabad, it is the same cruel story that is repeated everywhere. "So should the Dalits, backward, deprived, poor, women or whoever is weak, give up hope of justice now, she questioned. The Aam Aadmi Party, too, has slammed the BJP regarding the incident.

About The Incident: The bodies of two Dalit girls, aged 15 and 18 years, were found hanging from a tree in Uttar Pradesh’s Farrukhabad on Tuesday morning. Farrukhabad Superintendent of Police (SP), Alok Priyadarshi said that the bodies were found in a mango orchard in a village near Kayamganj.

The father of one of the two girls alleged that both of them were murdered but the police said prima facie it appeared that the two girls died by suicide. Investigation is underway, police confirmed.

Rahul Gandhi, Akhilesh Yadav Slam UP Govt After Dalit Girls' Bodies Found Hanging From Tree

Leader of Opposition in the Lok Sabha Rahul Gandhi and Samajwadi Party chief Akhilesh Yadav criticised the Uttar Pradesh government after two Dalit teenage girls were found hanging from a tree in Fatehgarh. They said expecting justice under a BJP rule is a 'crime' and alleged that the BJP is...

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Dalits living in fear, Rahul Gandhi writes to U.P. CM Yogi over Rae Bareli murder​

A Congress delegation led by Amethi MP K.L. Sharma, senior leader Pramod Tiwari on Thursday (August 29, 2024) in Lucknow submitted a letter to Additional Chief Secretary (Home) Deepak Kumar addressed to the Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath written by Lok Sabha member from Rae Bareli and Leader of Opposition Rahul Gandhi demanding immediate arrest of the main accused Vishal Singh in the murder case of one Arjun Pasi, hailing from the Dalit community in Rae Bareli.

Mr. Gandhi added that it is believed political patronage is being given to the main accused, who is on the run since more than two weeks.

“Last week, when I met the victim’s family, I was told that six out of seven named accused have been arrested, but the main accused Vishal Singh is still at large. The family members and other villagers brought it in my notice that Vishal Singh enjoys political patronage which is leading to him being not getting arrested. With over weeks of the incident and the main accused remaining free, the victim’s family and local Dalit community is living in fear and deprive of justice. I request you to make sure that the main accused gets arrested, so the victim’s family can get justice,” Mr. Gandhi wrote in the letter to the U.P. CM.

Earlier, on August 20, Mr. Gandhi visited the deceased’s family, and alleged that the administration is not taking action against the mastermind.

“We are demanding justice here. The entire family has been threatened. No action is happening here. The SP here is not taking action against the mastermind, he is arresting small people. I want that every section of society should be respected in Uttar Pradesh and everyone should get justice. We are not going to step back until this family gets justice,” he told reporters. In the incident the accused shot dead the victim on August 11.

Source: The Hindu

 

[FearlessRoar]

BJP’s Answer to Rahul Gandhi? Party’s Haryana Candidate List Has 14 Backwards, 13 Dalits & 8 Women​

Leader of Opposition Rahul Gandhi has been championing the cause of backwards and Dalits to the extent of even asking for Dalit representation in the Miss India contest, drawing sharp reactions. At a time when he and the Opposition have been demanding caste census in India, BJP’s first candidate list for the Haryana election consisting of 67 names — including 14 backwards and 13 Dalits — is seen as the party’s answer to the Congress leader.

While the BJP has come up with its list, the Congress is yet to declare names amid confusion about its alliance with the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP), prompting the BJP to take a shot at the Grand Old Party.

The BJP has fielded 14 faces from the backward community. The Central Election Committee-approved list had representation from a wide variety of backward castes like Gurjar, Yadav, Kashyap, Kumhar, Kamboj, Rajput and Saini.

Haryana Chief Minister Nayab Singh Saini, who has been fielded from Ladwa constituency, is from the Saini community — a backward caste. The state has 42 per cent OBC population and the BJP has been mindful of their adequate representation. The BJP has fielded OBC candidates from Jagadhari, Ladwa, Kaithal, Indri, Samalkha, Rewari, and Badshahpur among other assembly constituencies.

The party, which formed a non-Jat coalition and came to power in 2014, has been careful to field enough Jats this time. Kamlesh Dhanda from Kalayat, Mahipal Dhanda from Panipat rural, Randhir Panihar from Panihar, and JP Dalal from Loharu are just some of the examples. Om Prakash Dhankar from Badli is a prime Jat candidate of the BJP.

The BJP has been extremely careful to give tickets to disadvantaged sections of Dalit communities like Valmiki, Dhanuk, Bawariya and even Bazigar.

Jatav, considered the most backwards among the Dalits, will be fielded by the BJP in this election. At least five from the Vaishya community will contest on BJP tickets.

However, in its overreach for backwards and Dalits, the BJP has been careful to not make the upper castes feel left out. With recent social media trends like ‘Brahmin Genes’ started by a CEO going viral, BJP is aware that the messaging should be correct for the upper castes as well. The party has fielded nine Brahmins this time. Shaktirani Sharma from Kalka, Arvind Sharma from Gohana, Mukesh Sharma from Gurgaon, and Mulchand Sharma from Ballavgarh are some of the names.

Apart from Brahmins, Punjabis, Rajputs, and Jat Sikhs too have found their place in BJP’s first candidate list.

BJP national spokesperson Pradeep Bhandari, taking a dig at the Congress, called it a “divided house”. “The Congress party is a corrupt divided house. BJP believes in the vision of PM Modi’s Sabka Saath, Sabka Vikas motto. This is why we have given proportionate representation in ticket distribution in Haryana,” he said.

8 WOMEN & MANY TURNCOATS​

The BJP has fielded a total of eight women candidates — Shakti Rani Sharma from Kalka, who is also a Brahmin candidate; Santosh Sarwan from Murana, which is a reserved seat; Kamlesh Dhanda, a Jat from Kalayat; Sunita Duggal from Ratia, a reserved seat for Scheduled Castes; Shruti Chaudhry, daughter of turncoat Kiran Chaudhry from Tosham; Manju Hooda from Garhi Sampla-Kiloi; Renu Dablla from Kalanaur; and Aarti Singh Rao — daughter of BJP leader Inderjit Singh Rao from Ateli.

The party has also accommodated many turncoats in its first list, making their switch worthy. Shakti Rani Sharma, who is being fielded from Kalka, moved from Jan Chetan Party to BJP. In fact, the BJP had to say no to its leader Latika Sharma who was seeking a ticket for herself from Kalka. Meanwhile, Pavan Kharkahuda — a former JJP MLA who recently joined the BJP — has been fielded by the saffron party from Kharkhauda.

BJP’s Sonipat candidate Nikhil Madan is also a turncoat who switched from the Congress, while another JJP turncoat Ramkumar Gautam has been fielded from Safirdo seat. Another former JJP MLA Devendra Singh Babli will fight on a BJP ticket from Tohana constituency. Uklana will witness former JJP leader and MLA Anup Dhaka fight on behalf of the BJP. Shruti Chaudhry — who has come from the Congress along with her mother and senior Haryana leader Kiran Chaudhry — will fight from Tosham seat. Kiran Chaudhry has been sent to Rajya Sabha from Haryana by the BJP. Another former JJP leader Sanjay Kablana has been fielded from Beri. Meanwhile, Radour seat will see former INLD leader Shayam Singh fight for the BJP.

While fielding many experienced faces, the BJP has given a chance to as many as 27 fresh faces from Haryana this time. Also, at least nine MLAs, including sitting ministers, have been dropped whose track record the party found unsatisfactory — sending out a strong message to everyone that no one is indispensable.

SOME HICCUPS, THOUGH​

While the BJP is sure of its candidate matrix, the Congress has mocked the saffron party for fielding children of BJP leaders, questioning its moral authority to raise the ‘parivarvaad’ argument. News18 had earlier reported that BJP would have to blink on the front at least this time.

Congress chief whip in Lok Sabha Manikam Tagore cited examples of Kuldeep Bishnoi’s son Bhavya Bishnoi, Kiran Chaudhry’s daughter Shruti, Rao Inderjeet Singh’s daughter Aarti, Kartar Bharana’s son Manmohan, and Satyapal Sangwan’s son Sunil who have been electorally fielded by the BJP.

The first list also had a name that may become tough for the BJP to explain — former prison official Sunil Sangwan. He will contest from the Dadri seat that ex-BJP leader Somveer Sangwan won as an independent in 2019 after being denied a BJP ticket.

Under Sunil Sangwan’s watch, Dera Saccha Sauda head and rape convict Ram Rahim was granted parole six times. Sangwan recently resigned as a jail officer to take the political plunge.

BJP’s Answer to Rahul Gandhi? Party’s Haryana Candidate List Has 14 Backwards, 13 Dalits & 8 Women - News18

While the BJP is sure of its candidate matrix, the Congress has mocked the saffron party for fielding children of BJP leaders, questioning its moral authority to raise the ‘parivarvaad’ argument

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[FearlessRoar]

21 Dalit homes set on fire in Bihar, Congress's jungle raj swipe at NDA​

Over 20 houses were set on fire by miscreants in a Dalit settlement in Bihar's Nawada district allegedly over a land dispute. Police said 15 people, including the prime suspect, have been arrested even as the RJD and Congress called the incident another proof of "jungle raj" prevailing in Bihar.

Initially, it was reported that over 80 houses were gutted in the incident on Wednesday night, but police have put the number at 21. A large contingent of police has been deployed in the area to prevent any flare-up.

The villagers have alleged that the miscreants stormed into their settlement and thrashed several Dalit families. The houses were then set ablaze and shots were also fired in the air.

However, Superintendent of Police Abhinav Dhiman denied reports of aerial firing, saying no shells were found by the police. He also said that no one was injured in the incident.

Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar held a meeting with senior officials regarding the Nawada incident and directed the Additional Director General of Police (Law and Order) to personally visit the site and oversee the probe. A Special Investigation Team (SIT) has also been formed to further investigate the matter.

The government said strict action would be taken against the guilty and no one would be spared.

MAYAWATI, RAHUL GANDHI HIT OUT AT BIHAR GOVERNMENT​

Tearing into the JD(U)-BJP government, Leader of Opposition Rahul Gandhi said the incident showed the dispensation's "utter indifference" towards Dalits and the deprived.

"Burning down an entire colony of Mahadalits in Nawada highlights the horrifying picture of injustice against the Bahujans in Bihar," Gandhi tweeted.

"Such anarchist elements find shelter under the leadership of the BJP and its NDA allies. They intimidate and suppress the Bahujans so that they cannot even demand their social and constitutional rights... The silence of the Prime Minister is a seal of approval of this big conspiracy," he further said.

BSP chief Mayawati demanded strict action by the Bihar government against the culprits and financial support for rehabilitation of poor victims.

"The incident of burning down of many houses of poor Dalits in Bihar's Nawada by the goons and ruining their lives is extremely sad and serious. The government should take strict legal action against the culprits and also provide full financial help for the rehabilitation of the victims," Mayawati tweeted.

Former Bihar Deputy Chief Minister and RJD leader Tejashwi Yadav said atrocities against Dalits wouldn't be tolerated and asked the Chief Minister to wake up from his "slumber" and break his silence.

"The Chief Minister of the third-largest party in Bihar has stopped speaking for months... the NDA is not concerned about Bihar but about criminals," he said.

21 Dalit homes set on fire in Bihar, Congress's jungle raj swipe at NDA

Initially, it was reported that over 80 houses were gutted in the incident on Wednesday night, but Bihar police have put the number at 21.

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[Stewie]

As someone who used to support and defend Rahul Gandhi during my liberal secular days, I feel quite sad to see how in the desperation of being out of power for so long, he continues to make one blunder after another. He’s done a lot of hard work to improve his image but it will go down the drain if he keeps making these uneducated statements.

I support a strong opposition. It’s essential for the health of a true democracy. Rahul Gandhi must play his role as the leader of the opposition with responsibility.

We need a separate thread where you can describe and discuss your journey from a liberal secular to Hindutva activist with a trishol in one hand and a gas can in the other.

Would love to hear about what brought about your transformation.

 

[FearlessRoar]

I want to discuss a crucial moment in India's history - the Gandhi-Ambedkar clash over Dalit rights.

In 1932, Gandhi began a fast unto death to protest the separate electorate for the Depressed Classes, which Ambedkar believed was vital for their empowerment. But here's the irony - Gandhi's actions contradicted his principles of satyagraha.

Gandhi wanted a united India to fight against British rule, but his vision for Dalit inclusion differed significantly from Ambedkar's. Their disagreement boiled over during the Round Table Conference in London in 1931.

What's interesting is how Gandhi's views on caste evolved. Initially, he held orthodox Hindu beliefs but later shifted towards unity and rejected untouchability, calling Untouchables "harijans" or children of God. However, he didn't critique the caste system itself.

The Poona Pact was born out of the Communal Award of 1932. Gandhi's fast coerced Ambedkar into signing the pact, increasing reserved seats for the Depressed Classes in joint electorates. Ambedkar initially praised Gandhi but later condemned the fast as "a foul and filthy act" and "the worst form of coercion."

What do you think did Gandhi help or hinder the Dalit cause?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Saturday claimed that Congress hates OBCs as it can not come to terms with the fact that a person from the Backward Classes is at the helm of the country

Division among Dalits, Adivasis and Backward Classes suits Congress' politics, but due to their unity it is losing its support base, he said, speaking at a campaign rally in Nanded for the November 20 Maharashtra assembly elections and Nanded Lok Sabha by-poll.

"It suits the Congress' politics if Dalits, Adivasis and Backward Classes are divided. Its game plan is to divide you into different groups and communities,'' he said.

"Congress hates the OBCs because it cannot digest the fact that an OBC is the prime minister for ten years and working by taking everyone along,'' PM Modi said.

"They want to divide the OBC communities into small castes and snatch the power of their unity. If it happens, Congress will snatch the reservation," he alleged.

Efforts to divide people on caste lines and deprive them of reservation were made by leaders from Jawaharlal Nehru to Rajiv Gandhi, he claimed.

There is a wave in favour of the `Mahayuti' alliance of BJP, Shiv Sena and NCP, he claimed, adding that its goal is `Viksit Bharat'.

"Hence, the BJP and its allies are chosen by the people again and again. In the Lok Sabha elections, Nanded did not vote for us. I hope you will bless me now,'' he said, referring to the defeat of the BJP's Pratap Chikhlikar by Congress' Vasant Chavan.

In the Haryana elections, BJP created history by winning the highest number of seats, the Prime Minister said, adding that the people of Maharashtra were set to repeat the history.

Source: NDTV

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I want to discuss a crucial moment in India's history - the Gandhi-Ambedkar clash over Dalit rights.

In 1932, Gandhi began a fast unto death to protest the separate electorate for the Depressed Classes, which Ambedkar believed was vital for their empowerment. But here's the irony - Gandhi's actions contradicted his principles of satyagraha.

Gandhi wanted a united India to fight against British rule, but his vision for Dalit inclusion differed significantly from Ambedkar's. Their disagreement boiled over during the Round Table Conference in London in 1931.

What's interesting is how Gandhi's views on caste evolved. Initially, he held orthodox Hindu beliefs but later shifted towards unity and rejected untouchability, calling Untouchables "harijans" or children of God. However, he didn't critique the caste system itself.

The Poona Pact was born out of the Communal Award of 1932. Gandhi's fast coerced Ambedkar into signing the pact, increasing reserved seats for the Depressed Classes in joint electorates. Ambedkar initially praised Gandhi but later condemned the fast as "a foul and filthy act" and "the worst form of coercion."

What do you think did Gandhi help or hinder the Dalit cause?

Lol, what a twist.
Separate Electorate on religious lines had already affected the unity of Indians since 1909, Communal Award was another attempt to further divide and weaken the freedom struggle. Ambedkar truly represented the backward classes but Gandhi had the long term foresight in this case!

The Communal award would have led to the kind of system that exists in Pakistan.
Until recently, Non-Muslims could not even vote for a muslim candidate. and the majestic legal court cases on "minority seats" in the Supreme Court of Pakistan, where apparently, every one is considered a stakeholder except the minorities themselves.

PS: Its nice to see "genuine concern" regarding communal issues in South Asia and history being discussed.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Because they are not , you’re confusing physical attributes to belief .

How does a Dalit know which temple he is allowed into ?

No one checks your ID to confirm if you are a Dalit in any Temple. May be in remote villages where everyone knows everyone it can happen. The Priest might not allow the Dalit man to enter if he knows the Dalit man personally.

One of the most important temples in South India is Tirupati Balaji Temple. I have visited Tirupati many times and I can confirm most of the devotees there are either Dalits or Low caste. Absolutely no discrimination. I am sure it is the same in all major temples.
The real discrimination among castes is between Backward Castes/Other Backward Castes against Dalits and Tribals. No politician dares to question it as majority hindus are from Backward Castes and OBC's. They are their vote bank and they do not want to anger them.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I want to discuss a crucial moment in India's history - the Gandhi-Ambedkar clash over Dalit rights.

In 1932, Gandhi began a fast unto death to protest the separate electorate for the Depressed Classes, which Ambedkar believed was vital for their empowerment. But here's the irony - Gandhi's actions contradicted his principles of satyagraha.

Gandhi wanted a united India to fight against British rule, but his vision for Dalit inclusion differed significantly from Ambedkar's. Their disagreement boiled over during the Round Table Conference in London in 1931.

What's interesting is how Gandhi's views on caste evolved. Initially, he held orthodox Hindu beliefs but later shifted towards unity and rejected untouchability, calling Untouchables "harijans" or children of God. However, he didn't critique the caste system itself.

The Poona Pact was born out of the Communal Award of 1932. Gandhi's fast coerced Ambedkar into signing the pact, increasing reserved seats for the Depressed Classes in joint electorates. Ambedkar initially praised Gandhi but later condemned the fast as "a foul and filthy act" and "the worst form of coercion."

What do you think did Gandhi help or hinder the Dalit cause?

Like everything Gandhi undertook, his Dalit cause was also a failure. Instead of calling for the ban of caste system itself like many before him like Dayanand Saraswati and later his peers like BR Ambedkar, Gandhi started giving them nicknames like Harijans, Girijans etc. Dalits did not care about any of those titles. They wanted equality and opportunity. Gandhi never worked for the abolition of Caste system. He had nothing to say about it. His mantra was, if he sees any trouble or discrimination, he would do Satyagraha(Fasting) and thinks that it will cure all issues ailing India.

Even today, Congress really does not address Dalit issue. They blame Brahmins for all the troubles of Dalits. When in fact, it is the Backward castes that are oppressing Dalits and taking away opportunities from them.

Lets take Punjab for example. They are majority Dalit state. Jat Sikhs form only 20% of Punjab population but own 95% of the cultivable land. Dalit Sikhs form 35% of population, but only own 3.5% of land. Why such disparity? Why does not congress and left parties fight for Dalit Sikh rights in Punjab? Answer is simple. They do not want to anger them. Its easy to blame Manu dude from 6th or 7th century and a minuscule minority Brahmins over pointing out the obvious elephant in the room.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Like everything Gandhi undertook, his Dalit cause was also a failure. Instead of calling for the ban of caste system itself like many before him like Dayanand Saraswati and later his peers like BR Ambedkar, Gandhi started giving them nicknames like Harijans, Girijans etc. Dalits did not care about any of those titles. They wanted equality and opportunity. Gandhi never worked for the abolition of Caste system. He had nothing to say about it. His mantra was, if he sees any trouble or discrimination, he would do Satyagraha(Fasting) and thinks that it will cure all issues ailing India.

Even today, Congress really does not address Dalit issue. They blame Brahmins for all the troubles of Dalits. When in fact, it is the Backward castes that are oppressing Dalits and taking away opportunities from them.

Lets take Punjab for example. They are majority Dalit state. Jat Sikhs form only 20% of Punjab population but own 95% of the cultivable land. Dalit Sikhs form 35% of population, but only own 3.5% of land. Why such disparity? Why does not congress and left parties fight for Dalit Sikh rights in Punjab? Answer is simple. They do not want to anger them. Its easy to blame Manu dude from 6th or 7th century and a minuscule minority Brahmins over pointing out the obvious elephant in the room.

Why would Gandhi have fought for the abolition of the caste system when it was an integral part of Hindu faith? The only ones in India who want it abolished are the ones who don't believe in Hinduism, like yourself.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Why would Gandhi have fought for the abolition of the caste system when it was an integral part of Hindu faith? The only ones in India who want it abolished are the ones who don't believe in Hinduism, like yourself.

Caste system is not integral part of the faith.
You can be a Hindu and be casteless. Hinduism is not like Islam with set rules.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Caste system is not integral part of the faith.
You can be a Hindu and be casteless. Hinduism is not like Islam with set rules.

Caste is only associated with the Hindu faith, it is directly referred to in Hindu texts. It is not a part of any other for a reason.

You can argue what you like, but since you have rejected Hindu faith yourself, how seriously will anyone take your word?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Caste is only associated with the Hindu faith, it is directly referred to in Hindu texts. It is not a part of any other for a reason.

You can argue what you like, but since you have rejected Hindu faith yourself, how seriously will anyone take your word?

Manu Smriti is not like Quran or Sharia book for Hindus. No one gets excommunicated from Hindu religion just because they do not uphold Manu Smriti.

Show me where it is written in Vedas or Upanishads that one has to believe in caste system to be a Hindu? I do not follow any religion. But I was brought up in it for half of my life before I left my home.

Now show me the evidence that one must follow caste system to be a Hindu in the Hindu holy scriptures.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Manu Smriti is not like Quran or Sharia book for Hindus. No one gets excommunicated from Hindu religion just because they do not uphold Manu Smriti.

Show me where it is written in Vedas or Upanishads that one has to believe in caste system to be a Hindu? I do not follow any religion. But I was brought up in it for half of my life before I left my home.

Now show me the evidence that one must follow caste system to be a Hindu in the Hindu holy scriptures.

No one gets excommunicated from Hinduism for any belief to be perfectly honest. You can believe anything you like including the caste system which is specifically endorsed in Hindu texts. The one thing we can state with certainty is that Hinduism is the only religion where caste is a part of the faith.

 

[Champ_Pal]

No one gets excommunicated from Hinduism for any belief to be perfectly honest. You can believe anything you like including the caste system which is specifically endorsed in Hindu texts. The one thing we can state with certainty is that Hinduism is the only religion where caste is a part of the faith.

Caste is not part of faith. It is Tribalistic and grouped by profession. Manu Smriti codified it and established hard borders.

Arya Samaj followers are Hindu. They do not follow idol worship or caste system or many local deities into Hindu Pantheon. Very similar to Sikhism.
Arya Samaj believes in Vedas while Sikhs believe in GrandhSaheb. Arya Samaj also believes in One God "Om". Similar to Sikhism which believes in "Omkar".
Arya Samaj believes that many Gods mentioned in Hinduism are just faces of one True God. This is exactly what NanakDev ji taught.

Still Arya Samajis are as much Hindu as any Sangh Parivar supporter as they believe in Dharma, Karma and transmigration of soul. No Hindu goes after them for not praying to idols or not believing in caste system.

 

[FearlessRoar]

'Attempts To Divide Society A Serious Issue': PM Modi Warns Citizens Amid Caste Politics​

Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Monday warned the country against the Opposition’s caste-based politics stating that attempts are being made to divide the society and called upon the citizens to understand the conspiracy by the “national enemies".

The Prime Minister’s warning came amid the ongoing caste politics by the Congress-led Opposition who have demanded the government to conduct a caste census in an attempt to corner the Centre.

“There is a conspiracy going on to divide the society on the basis of caste, religion, language, high and low, men and women, villages and cities. It is important that we understand the seriousness of this attempt of the national enemies, understand the crisis and we all have to defeat such an act together. We have to work together," PM Modi warned while virtually addressing a programme marking the 200th-anniversary celebrations of Shree Swaminarayan Mandir in Vadtal.

He underlined the need to create educated youth for a developed India and said that skilled youths will go on to become the country’s “biggest strength".

“We have to create strong, capable and educated youth. For a developed India, the youth should be empowered. Skilled youth will become our biggest strength. The global demand for our youth is going to increase further. Today, whatever world leaders I meet, most of the leaders expect that the youth of India, the skilled manpower of India, the youth of the IT sector of India should go to their country and work in their country. The whole world is attracted by the capability of the youth of India…" he said.

'Attempts To Divide Society A Serious Issue': PM Modi Warns Citizens Amid Caste Politics - News18

PM Narendra Modi warned the citizens stating that there are attempts being made to divide the society.

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[Cpt. Rishwat]

Caste is not part of faith. It is Tribalistic and grouped by profession. Manu Smriti codified it and established hard borders.

Arya Samaj followers are Hindu. They do not follow idol worship or caste system or many local deities into Hindu Pantheon. Very similar to Sikhism.
Arya Samaj believes in Vedas while Sikhs believe in GrandhSaheb. Arya Samaj also believes in One God "Om". Similar to Sikhism which believes in "Omkar".
Arya Samaj believes that many Gods mentioned in Hinduism are just faces of one True God. This is exactly what NanakDev ji taught.

Still Arya Samajis are as much Hindu as any Sangh Parivar supporter as they believe in Dharma, Karma and transmigration of soul. No Hindu goes after them for not praying to idols or not believing in caste system.

This is a revisionist history of Hinduism from those who now feel caste division has not stood the test of time. Unfortunately the reality is that caste division still exists even in today's Islamic nations of the subcontinent, let alone India, the birthplace of caste.

Caste is probably the major reason new faiths like Sikhism and Buddhism arose, and also why Islam took such a hold in India.