Are Indian bowlers faster than Pakistani bowlers?

[Bubby]

Since when do we consider speed guns in Australia seriously?

Bumrah has touched 148-149 regularly its not that he Can't do that

 

[Stumper]

Since when do we consider speed guns in Australia seriously?

From the time Shoiab Akthar bowled 160k delivery in Australia.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Yes.

Real fast bowlers hit 150 regularly.

145 is fast-medium, medium-fast is 125-135 trundlers and above

 

[cricketjoshila]

145 is fast-medium, medium-fast is 125-135 trundlers and above

145ks is 90mph. Thats fast.

 

[latecut]

On TV, where International batsmen are seen facing these deliveries, 145 kmph may not look fast, but it is fast. In street cricket, even 110 kmph is fast for most street cricketers. Most mortals wil chicken out if asked to face 145 kmph cricket ball. They will not even be able to see it, much less play any strokes on it.

 

[Bewal Express]

Abbas and Hasan look a pretty skilled opening pair.

Abbas is skilled, Hasan is ok.

 

[Rightarmfast]

145 is fast-medium, medium-fast is 125-135 trundlers and above

fyi, wasim akram was clocked at a fastest of 145, and nothing beyond that. Maybe u want to change your stance?

 

[sshakir411]

This was fine before the internet, doesnt work anymore buddy

so which Indian fast bowler has played for an year and consistently bowled at 150mph after the internet?

 

[charlie007]

so which Indian fast bowler has played for an year and consistently bowled at 150mph after the internet?

Indian or not, hardly any bowler has bowled 150 kph (I'm sure you didn't mean to write mph) consistently without chucking or anomalies in their limbs.

 

[sshakir411]

Indian or not, hardly any bowler has bowled 150 kph (I'm sure you didn't mean to write mph) consistently without chucking or anomalies in their limbs.

So, zero. But yeah good catch. hate using this forum on the phone.

 

[charlie007]

So, zero. But yeah good catch. hate using this forum on the phone.

This includes Pakistani bowlers or bowlers from any other country. Nobody consistently bowls at 150 clicks or over, they will slow down, they're all human.

But the point is, Indian bowlers do not need to bowl at 150 kph to be faster than Pakistani bowlers. Pakistani bowlers mostly bowl around 135-142 kph range. Indian fast bowlers are somewhat quicker by 3-4 kph more, as has been evident in the last couple of years.

 

[Sachin136]

So, zero. But yeah good catch. hate using this forum on the phone.

How many bowlers in history had an average speed of 150kmph (excluding myths like Larwood being super fast)? Is that your criteria for being a fast bowler?

 

[ravisurya]

Bump.

 

[Ganju Baba]

Are Indian bowlers faster than Pakistani bowlers?

Yes.

Are Indian bowlers better than Pakistani bowlers?

Hell Yeah.

 

[ILcricket]

Not just about pace , better too .

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

YES

Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Bhuvi, Kuli, Ashwin >> Amir, Afridi, Abbas, Hasan, Yasir, Shadab


Any country, any pitch.

 

[Rahul1]

No doubt about it. I think Amir was trundling in the 120s in Cape Town.

 

[docteurmanish]

in an era of speed guns , why is there a debate? bumrah , shami, aaron and mavi are the fastest subcontinent bowlers rt now . all reach 145 k plus consistently.

 

[ravisurya]

Indian bowlers like srinath really got short changed becoz of lack of speed guns.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

They got slower because the conditions required them to do so. As I mentioned to @Dignolfy, bowling at 90MPH on seaming pitches won’t do you any good especially if you lose your ability to swing/seam the ball while doing so. Hence, Shami bowling at 85 when he picked up five against SA and helping India to their only win of that tour.

In the previous two matches, he was picking up wickets but not as many because he was bowling faster and not smarter. Why do the likes of Amir bowl at 90MPH in Australia but Max 85 in NZ, ENG and the UAE? Because lowering their speed allows them to enable more revs on the ball increasing their swing momentum. As far as the UAE is concerned, you will break your back if you attempt to bowl at 90MPH for an entire innings let alone an entire Test series. Which is why Wahab Riaz is effective because he bowls short and rapid spells giving him plenty of time to recover once the spinners are having a go.

Shami’s average speed was made aware to me as 90MPH but his best spell in SA was one where he was bowling yorkers at 85 MPH. Which is precisely what the likes of Abbas and Faheem were bowling at top speed under similar conditions while being slower on average than Hasan and Amir.

Anyways, if the likes of Amir and Hasan are truly fit in December when they tour SA, we can have an adequate data sample to compare their speeds.

So your argument then was that Pakistani bowlers reduced their pace to take advantage of the swing/seam on offer. Fair enough. How come they couldn't summon that extra yard of pace on this Newlands track when it was required. On the other hand, Shami in his 4th test in Australia was clocking upto low 140's and Bumrah upto 148.8 kph.

 

[Hasan123]

Forget faster, as unit they bowl much better. They have a plan for every batter and stick to it.

 

[aukhan]

Yes they are faster and more skillful than our overrated bowlers.

 

[Savak]

No comparison. The speed with which Indian Cricket is ahead of Pakistan on every front now is embarrassing to say the least

 

[Bhaijaan]

Indian pacers have been on average quicker than Pakistani bowlers since many years now, its a not a news that broke yesterday. The major step and news has been that they also seem to be performing at par or even better in recent times.

Spin bowling has been a major part of Pakistan's bowling success for roughly a decade now.

 

[Napa]

YES

Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Bhuvi, Kuli, Ashwin >> Amir, Afridi, Abbas, Hasan, Yasir, Shadab


Any country, any pitch.

You left Jadeja out of the set of Indian bowlers. He was the second highest wicket taken in the last Test after Bumrah.

 

[Mp812]

Sarfraz in a post-match press conference. "Our fast-bowlers haven't bowled up to the mark in this Test. Our bowlers bowled at an average pace of 130kmph while they, on the other hand, were bowling at 145kmph. If you lack pace here, you don't get wickets... I don't know what is going on. I don't know what held them back on this Cape Town wicket."

India got 58 wickets on SA tour without 'pace' as is considered by many posters

 

[Rayyman]

Yeah not anymore

 

[Muhammad Saad]

I think this thread can rest in piece and we have yet to unleashed Naseem Shah.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Yeah not anymore

I think this thread can rest in piece and we have yet to unleashed Naseem Shah.

Why?
What happened.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Why?
What happened.

We just found couple of 150k pacers and 3rd one is about to unleashed later this year.

 

[ataullah]

Our hasnain faster than any of them? 151 kph and 145 average

 

[Mbappe]

India;
M Shami, J Bumrah, Umesh Yadav, V Aaron, N Saini, Avesh Khan, M Siraj, Khaled Ahmed, K Nagarkoti, S Mavi, Basil Thampi,
Pakistan;
W Riaz, M Irfan, M Amir, M Sami, H Rauf, M Hasnain, M Musa, S Afridi, N Shah, S Irshad,
Rahat Ali, Hasan Ali, Usman Shinwari,

 

[DRsohail]

Speed wise we may be up there but skill wise India is definitely superior.

 

[ataullah]

After Hasnain clocking 151kph, wahab 150 plus, Hasan Ali 145, Musa khan 148 and others hitting 145 are our bowlers quicker than Indians? How are Indians faring in IPL speed wise?

 

[Abdullah719]

After Hasnain clocking 151kph, wahab 150 plus, Hasan Ali 145, Musa khan 148 and others hitting 145 are our bowlers quicker than Indians? How are Indians faring in IPL speed wise?

Fastest deliveries by Indian pacers listed on IPL website:

Bumrah 147.17
Saini 146.85
Saini 146.21
Bumrah 145.42
Saini 145.25
Ishant 145.01

Bowlers with a fastest ball of 140-145 are Shami, Prasidh Krishna, Yadav and Kulkarni.

 

[hasanali]

There are about fifteen Pakistani bowlers who can touch 90 mph at the moment. I'd be very surprised if Indians had anything close to that.

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

Indians can never win in terms of speed. "fast bowling" is not their cup of tea.Trundlers galore everywhere in india

 

[Indiafan]

After Hasnain clocking 151kph, wahab 150 plus, Hasan Ali 145, Musa khan 148 and others hitting 145 are our bowlers quicker than Indians? How are Indians faring in IPL speed wise?

Fastest deliveries by Indian pacers listed on IPL website:

Bumrah 147.17
Saini 146.85
Saini 146.21
Bumrah 145.42
Saini 145.25
Ishant 145.01

Bowlers with a fastest ball of 140-145 are Shami, Prasidh Krishna, Yadav and Kulkarni.

Shami, bumrah are not gonna go all out in this ill before the world cup

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Fastest deliveries by Indian pacers listed on IPL website:

Bumrah 147.17
Saini 146.85
Saini 146.21
Bumrah 145.42
Saini 145.25
Ishant 145.01

Bowlers with a fastest ball of 140-145 are Shami, Prasidh Krishna, Yadav and Kulkarni.

The likes of shami , bumrah and even Ishant can maintain decent to good test speeds over a 4/5 match test series too. It's not just over 4 over spells. No Pakistani bowler has done that recently except Hasan Ali.

 

[Abdullah719]

The likes of shami , bumrah and even Ishant can maintain decent to good test speeds over a 4/5 match test series too. It's not just over 4 over spells. No Pakistani bowler has done that recently except Hasan Ali.

I know.

 

[Sachin136]

Indians can never win in terms of speed. "fast bowling" is not their cup of tea.Trundlers galore everywhere in india

Pakistan's premier test bowlers (Amir and Abbas) were bowling in the high 120s and low 130s the last time I saw them in a test.

 

[Indiafan]

After Hasnain clocking 151kph, wahab 150 plus, Hasan Ali 145, Musa khan 148 and others hitting 145 are our bowlers quicker than Indians? How are Indians faring in IPL speed wise?

Fastest deliveries by Indian pacers listed on IPL website:

Bumrah 147.17
Saini 146.85
Saini 146.21
Bumrah 145.42
Saini 145.25
Ishant 145.01

Bowlers with a fastest ball of 140-145 are Shami, Prasidh Krishna, Yadav and Kulkarni.

Prasidh 149.2 kph in his second over today with regular speeds over 145. He is playing for KKR

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Its been a while since this thread was started and the same questions arise.
India still haven't figured out their fast bowling.
They have found some relief in Bumrah but considering the financial resources they throw at cricketers they should have a whole pack. Arshdeep does look promising though

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Also I'm glad Pakistan are back with real pace.

 

[ElRaja]

lack of fast bowling culture, too many young quicks get thrown by the wayside, pak do the same to batsman. lack of knowledge of how to develop the skill set. bumrah is a freak, shami levelled up, and it took ishant sharma nearly 60 tests to figure out what he was doing, he had two or three great years and now he's too old.

if bumrahs back gives way india will be in trouble, cos shami is pbly 34 now at least. arshdeep gets great shape but will not trouble players on flatter pitches, once he gets back to india i doubt he will get as much national team exposure. also 6 fc games in 3 years shows where his focus lies.

of the others the only one with any x factor is umran malik, but he was significantly slower than i expected when he played for india. bowling 150 year in year out is very tough.