Are Indian bowlers faster than Pakistani bowlers?

[Madplayer]

Indian fans are a disgrace when it comes to understanding fast bowling just look at the history of your "fast" bowlers and then doobo in some chullu bhar pani before comparing them to Pakistan's fast bowlers. I cant believe so people said Bhuvneshwar is quicker than Hasan

 

[Sam99]

it doesn't proved anything. Wahab riaz is still the fastest bowler in Asia by far. He has bowled 150 ks in heat of UAE. Indian trundlers can only dream of bowling 150ks anywhere let alone in the heat of UAE.Even Mohammad sami at the age 37-38 can bowl faster than trundler country.

In that way Varun Aaron can bowl as fast as him lol.

 

[dauntless]

In that way Varun Aaron can bowl way faster than him lol.

no he can't bowl faster than wahab. Show me the evidence. Wahab recently bowled few deliveries at 154.5 kph in PSL.Even he bowled fastest ball in world cup 2015.Wahab is untouchable in this aspect.

 

[dauntless]

Indian fans are a disgrace when it comes to understanding fast bowling just look at the history of your "fast" bowlers and then doobo in some chullu bhar pani before comparing them to Pakistan's fast bowlers. I cant believe so people said Bhuvneshwar is quicker than Hasan

LOL. yeah. what do they know about fast bowling.Look at their rocket bowler ishant trundler sharma bowling 130ks thunderbolts.

 

[dhonixi]

Bumrah is not even playing who is fastest of all from green trundling brigade. Hassan done nothing in test cricket.

 

[Syed1]

Lol at the Indians comparing their telletubby attack to our world class one.... Even in this match they needed Ashwin to pick up the bulk of the wickets

 

[dhonixi]

One area where pak has their back covered in fast bowling, is now lost. So it's understandable that their behind is burning.

 

[Sam99]

Lol at the Indians comparing their telletubby attack to our world class one.... Even in this match they needed Ashwin to pick up the bulk of the wickets

I guess you needed Yasir shah to pick 10 wickets in match to win you a game in lords.

 

[dhonixi]

World class one with abbas, who is definition of mediocre, he is someone for whom trundler was coined. LMAO

 

[Syed1]

I guess you needed Yasir shah to pick 10 wickets in match to win you a game in lords.

We seemed to do fairly well without Shah in the latest tour

 

[Sam99]

We seemed to do fairly well without Shah in the latest tour

Conditions were more helpful for pacers 2 months ago than it's now. Yeah still your pace attack might have still done work but in this conditions you will need yasir shah like we need ashwin.

 

[InziRules]

Lol at the Indians comparing their telletubby attack to our world class one.... Even in this match they needed Ashwin to pick up the bulk of the wickets

Hilarious, no? We've got 10-12 BK's in domestic and they're acting like he was some great saviour for them, and comparing Abbas who is so much better to him

 

[InziRules]

Conditions were more helpful for pacers 2 months ago than it's now. Yeah still your pace attack might have still done work but in this conditions you will need yasir shah like we need ashwin.

Yeah, of course they were.......

Let's wait for India to bat first. When Kohli fails, it'll become swinging and seaming and green.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Hilarious, no? We've got 10-12 BK's in domestic and they're acting like he was some great saviour for them, and comparing Abbas who is so much better to him

You've got 10-12 bks but u are still playing a bowler who avgs 33+ in tests.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

We seemed to do fairly well without Shah in the latest tour

In second test match you lost by an innings. Courtesy :flat pitch.

 

[Sam99]

Yeah, of course they were.......

Let's wait for India to bat first. When Kohli fails, it'll become swinging and seaming and green.

Not really. Anderson and Broad are more skillful here than our pace attack. They might get more help and early wickets too.

 

[babajee]

You've got 10-12 bks but u are still playing a bowler who avgs 33+ in tests.

BK would average 33+ if he wasn’t played on horses for courses basis.

 

[Balthazar]

Indian bowlers have been quite fast to Pakistan bowlers and this has been going on for quite some time. Sure Pakistan bowlers have better wicket-taking skills but if you wanna just look at sheer pace then hands down it's India. And we have some 10-12 bowlers waiting in the domestics who are even better than the current lot.

 

[BlackShadow]

BK would average 33+ if he wasn’t played on horses for courses basis.

Still leagues above the phaast ones who end up averaging 40+ even if you pick them on horses for courses basis.

 

[BlackShadow]

World class one with abbas, who is definition of mediocre, he is someone for whom trundler was coined. LMAO

That is how trundling was defined in 2000s. These days even part timers like Pandaya hit 90mph and there you have a "fast" bowler bowling 125kph, ridiculous.

 

[Smbhayi]

what's this thread about...?

 

[Muddaser]

That is how trundling was defined in 2000s. These days even part timers like Pandaya hit 90mph and there you have a "fast" bowler bowling 125kph, ridiculous.

So were Mcgrath, Pollock and Asif.

Wahab is the quickest bowler in Asia by a mile. Cant get into our team.

 

[Muddaser]

Indians have always been faster than Pakistanis according to themselves even though the world thinks otherwise.

According to Indian fans, Srinath was quicker than Waqar Younis.

This is the bubble they live in.

We saw the great Indian fast bowling attack in our last encounter.

 

[InziRules]

Indian bowlers have been quite fast to Pakistan bowlers and this has been going on for quite some time. Sure Pakistan bowlers have better wicket-taking skills but if you wanna just look at sheer pace then hands down it's India. And we have some 10-12 bowlers waiting in the domestics who are even better than the current lot.

Wahab and Sami even now are faster than anyone on this Indian team.

We have fast bowlers with no control, it's just that when you have a great team and have had great pacers, pace alone won't get you into the team

 

[InziRules]

Still leagues above the phaast ones who end up averaging 40+ even if you pick them on horses for courses basis.

The one who got Kohli out twice, ripped apart India and made them lose by 180 runs? Come back wen your phast bowlers do that.

 

[BlackShadow]

The one who got Kohli out twice, ripped apart India and made them lose by 180 runs? Come back wen your phast bowlers do that.

Still a trash Test bowler who will likely end his career averaging 35. Too bad that his 19th June exploits never helped him with his Test career, nor did it help Pakistan's Test ranking where you rub shoulders with the likes of WI and Bangladesh.

Btw, quite a derail from what the thread is intended to be. Two of your pacer's top speeds were 3-5 kph slower than Shami's average pace. Let that sink in.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

The one who got Kohli out twice, ripped apart India and made them lose by 180 runs? Come back wen your phast bowlers do that.

Yeah the same guy.

 

[InziRules]

Still a trash Test bowler who will likely end his career averaging 35. Too bad that his 19th June exploits never helped him with his Test career, nor did it help Pakistan's Test ranking where you rub shoulders with the likes of WI and Bangladesh.

Btw, quite a derail from what the thread is intended to be. Two of your pacer's top speeds were 3-5 kph slower than Shami's average pace. Let that sink in.

Like I said, we don't have an inferiority complex that makes us select average fast bowlers over more deserving slower ones, just so we can show off this supposed pace. We have the fastest bowler that ever bowled, so no issue if India select faster, worse bowlers.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indian fans are a disgrace when it comes to understanding fast bowling just look at the history of your "fast" bowlers and then doobo in some chullu bhar pani before comparing them to Pakistan's fast bowlers. I cant believe so people said Bhuvneshwar is quicker than Hasan

Yes Bhuvi before his injury was bowling quicker than Hassan.Posting smilies wont change that.

Which Pakistani fast bowler last took 200 test wickets? Can you please tell me that?

 

[cricketjoshila]

The one who got Kohli out twice, ripped apart India and made them lose by 180 runs? Come back wen your phast bowlers do that.

Indian Phast bowlers won 2 WCs 1T20Wc 2CTs and has led India to the no.1 Test Mace for months. Thats more than what Pakistani ones managed.

 

[InziRules]

Indian Phast bowlers won 2 WCs 1T20Wc 2CTs and has led India to the no.1 Test Mace for months. Thats more than what Pakistani ones managed.

You mean Indian batsman.

 

[Smbhayi]

Like I said, we don't have an inferiority complex that makes us select average fast bowlers over more deserving slower ones, just so we can show off this supposed pace. We have the fastest bowler that ever bowled, so no issue if India select faster, worse bowlers.

Too bad, ranking shows other way...

 

[cricketjoshila]

You mean Indian batsman.

Look up the performance of the Indian bowlers in those tournaments.

 

[Titan24]

Opening bowlers averaging 35+ with ball and 4th seamer averaging 40.

No thanks, even if they ball 200 kph.

Ishant, Yadav and Pandya combined are not even half of Abbas in terms of skills.

 

[babajee]

Indian posters probably get excited over Ashwin bowling faster than Yasir and Shadab.

 

[Abdullah719]

1st inns of 1st Test - ENGvPAK

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1st inns of 1st Test - ENGvIND

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At the end of the first innings:



So Shami's average pace was slower than both Amir and Hasan, by the end of the innings

 

[BlackShadow]

Opening bowlers averaging 35+ with ball and 4th seamer averaging 40.

No thanks, even if they ball 200 kph.

Ishant, Yadav and Pandya combined are not even half of Abbas in terms of skills.

This indeed is a depleted pace attack, but even here Shami alone is worth more than the entire Pakistan pace unit.

Add Bhuvi and Bumrah, and it makes the Pakistani pace attack look club level. Fortunately, India's pace trio doesn't need to trundle to be effective. All averaging in 20s while bowling phaaast.

 

[babajee]

This indeed is a depleted pace attack, but even here Shami alone is worth more than the entire Pakistan pace unit.

Add Bhuvi and Bumrah, and it makes the Pakistani pace attack look club level. Fortunately, India's pace trio doesn't need to trundle to be effective. All averaging in 20s while bowling phaaast.

This is some great stuff

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Lol. Ben Stokes is the fastest bowler in the match

 

[big_gamer007]

It’s funny to see how Pakistani fans over the years have gone from we have the best pace bowlers to we have better pace bowlers than India now to we have faster bowlers than India.

The average speed of pace bowling of both teams is nearly same.. Pakistani fans and there chhoti chhoti khushiyan that their team maybe bowled 0.001 mph faster than Indian team in average..

 

[Balthazar]

Wahab and Sami even now are faster than anyone on this Indian team.

We have fast bowlers with no control, it's just that when you have a great team and have had great pacers, pace alone won't get you into the team

You need to compare those who are playing at the moment. They are not in your team because they are not international material otherwise they would be playing now. After first match performance by our bowlers, I'd like to say they may be even better at skills not just pace.

 

[Muddaser]

You need to compare those who are playing at the moment. They are not in your team because they are not international material otherwise they would be playing now. After first match performance by our bowlers, I'd like to say they may be even better at skills not just pace.

Topic of discussion is "who are faster".

 

[Muddaser]

This indeed is a depleted pace attack, but even here Shami alone is worth more than the entire Pakistan pace unit.

Add Bhuvi and Bumrah, and it makes the Pakistani pace attack look club level. Fortunately, India's pace trio doesn't need to trundle to be effective. All averaging in 20s while bowling phaaast.

Are you serious?

 

[Ellipsism]

Yes Bhuvi before his injury was bowling quicker than Hassan.Posting smilies wont change that.

Which Pakistani fast bowler last took 200 test wickets? Can you please tell me that?

Surely you can't be serious?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Surely you can't be serious?

Surely you havent watched him bowl in recent times.

 

[mak36]

Poor guys just cant handle the fact.

Add to that the fact that Mavi and Nagarkoti outpace Pakistani bowlers by some distance.

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Stop chest-thumping for once. Let them play for the national team first.

 

[MesonK]

i love it when Indian jingoistic youngsters come to Pakistani forum to "prove a point". I was like that in my college days as well.

Just like beefed up records of new pakistani batsmen does not mean they can equal their Indian counter parts in terms of technique, similarly Indian pacers are behind Pakistani pacemen and it will continue. Bowling rhythm, actions, technique, pace, swing/seam capability ... all is in favor of Pakistan still after administrative disasters faced by Pakistani cricket over the years.

It has always been like this, open chested, messed up actions, trundlers have come out of india and it will go on. Wahab Riaz is like what 33 now and still bowling faster than the highest recorded delivery from India. Lol he was bowling at around 154 kph in PSL.

People love to call Hasan ali as a medium fast bowler. Guy has touched 148 KPH in WI. Amir can sustain his pace around 144-147 kph range if he wants. Shahin Afridi will be a 145+ KPH bowler as well with muscle development. There are others as well. Pakistani fans are just less vocal and jingo.

 

[mak36]

At the end of the first innings:

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So Shami's average pace was slower than both Amir and Hasan, by the end of the innings

Please stop bringing logic.

 

[InziRules]

i love it when Indian jingoistic youngsters come to Pakistani forum to "prove a point". I was like that in my college days as well.

Just like beefed up records of new pakistani batsmen does not mean they can equal their Indian counter parts in terms of technique, similarly Indian pacers are behind Pakistani pacemen and it will continue. Bowling rhythm, actions, technique, pace, swing/seam capability ... all is in favor of Pakistan still after administrative disasters faced by Pakistani cricket over the years.

It has always been like this, open chested, messed up actions, trundlers have come out of india and it will go on. Wahab Riaz is like what 33 now and still bowling faster than the highest recorded delivery from India. Lol he was bowling at around 154 kph in PSL.

People love to call Hasan ali as a medium fast bowler. Guy has touched 148 KPH in WI. Amir can sustain his pace around 144-147 kph range if he wants. Shahin Afridi will be a 145+ KPH bowler as well with muscle development. There are others as well. Pakistani fans are just less vocal and jingo.

Exactly. I don't even get the comparison. Just like how Umesh will not start when Bhuvneshwar Kumar is back, Wahab and our faster bowlers with no discipline have no chance of starting ahead of Hasan and Amir

 

[mak36]

i love it when Indian jingoistic youngsters come to Pakistani forum to "prove a point". I was like that in my college days as well.

Just like beefed up records of new pakistani batsmen does not mean they can equal their Indian counter parts in terms of technique, similarly Indian pacers are behind Pakistani pacemen and it will continue. Bowling rhythm, actions, technique, pace, swing/seam capability ... all is in favor of Pakistan still after administrative disasters faced by Pakistani cricket over the years.

It has always been like this, open chested, messed up actions, trundlers have come out of india and it will go on. Wahab Riaz is like what 33 now and still bowling faster than the highest recorded delivery from India. Lol he was bowling at around 154 kph in PSL.

People love to call Hasan ali as a medium fast bowler. Guy has touched 148 KPH in WI. Amir can sustain his pace around 144-147 kph range if he wants. Shahin Afridi will be a 145+ KPH bowler as well with muscle development. There are others as well. Pakistani fans are just less vocal and jingo.

Brilliant post.

The funniest thing is these chest-thumpers are citing Indian pacers who haven't even debuted.

 

[Titan24]

Indian fans always had a complex of Pakistan pace bowling and in those emotions they dont realize other than Akhtar it was never just about pace because no one was as fast as him but the skills which Pak fast bowlers showed throughout the history.

Pace is nothing on its own and just plays a supporting role. Skills are still there in Pak bowlers for everyone to see. Whether its Hassan Ali taking the world by storm in CT 17 and became the highest wicket taker, Amir bowling that wonderful spell against India in the final or recent UK tour, a guy named Abbas who has taken 42 wickets in 8 matches @17.

Tell me honestly Indian fans, dont you like watching Pak bowling, that thrill and rush of blood?

Indian pace bowling has never been really skillful but as a unit they do a decent job but in terms of individual skills of pace bowlers Indian counterparts are far behind.

 

[Abdullah719]

Please stop bringing logic.

Second innings of first Test - Comparison:

 

[Ellipsism]

Surely you havent watched him bowl in recent times.

Yes I have, and he’s not quicker than Hasan. Bhuvi barely crosses over 140 in his first spell, and that’s about when it comes to top speed. The rest is cannon fodder stuff. Here are the first innings speeds of Bhuvi vs South Africa in SA (1st test) and Hasan against SL in the UAE (1st test). I think the stats speak for themselves

 

[Usman Chadda]

Bhaiyyon itna na urao inhein aaj. Waise hi sadmay mein hain

 

[Stewie]

-+ 3/5 mph is not much to write home about...

 

[Dingolfy]

Second innings of first Test - Comparison:

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Only one bowler faster than Indians and both Ishant and Shami bowled faster than rest.So overall, we win

 

[Dingolfy]

Yes I have, and he’s not quicker than Hasan. Bhuvi barely crosses over 140 in his first spell, and that’s about when it comes to top speed. The rest is cannon fodder stuff. Here are the first innings speeds of Bhuvi vs South Africa in SA (1st test) and Hasan against SL in the UAE (1st test). I think the stats speak for themselves

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And Hassan couldn't sustain his speed in England. Look how he trundled in the second test in England.

 

[ManFan]

Only one bowler faster than Indians and both Ishant and Shami bowled faster than rest.So overall, we win

Amir faster than Shami?

Hasan faster than Yadav?

Ishant faster than Abbas?

How do you win overall?

 

[Dingolfy]

Indian fans always had a complex of Pakistan pace bowling and in those emotions they dont realize other than Akhtar it was never just about pace because no one was as fast as him but the skills which Pak fast bowlers showed throughout the history.

Pace is nothing on its own and just plays a supporting role. Skills are still there in Pak bowlers for everyone to see. Whether its Hassan Ali taking the world by storm in CT 17 and became the highest wicket taker, Amir bowling that wonderful spell against India in the final or recent UK tour, a guy named Abbas who has taken 42 wickets in 8 matches @17.

Tell me honestly Indian fans, dont you like watching Pak bowling, that thrill and rush of blood?

Indian pace bowling has never been really skillful but as a unit they do a decent job but in terms of individual skills of pace bowlers Indian counterparts are far behind.

I was a big fan of such bowling but your current test bowlers dont have the stamina or fitness to do that. ANd in tests, even Ishant Sharma has bowled well than Post-Ban Amir and that reflects in their stats from 2016.
Speaking about skills, when was the last time your fast bowlers bowled something like how we bowled in SA for a full series (not for one test)

 

[Dingolfy]

Amir faster than Shami?

Hasan faster than Yadav?

Ishant faster than Abbas?

How do you win overall?

Amir fastest at 145.7, Shami next at 143.6,Sharma next at 143.1,Hassan next at 141.8 and Abbas and Fahemm under 140. So we win .

 

[ManFan]

Amir fastest at 145.7, Shami next at 143.6,Sharma next at 143.1,Hassan next at 141.8 and Abbas and Fahemm under 140. So we win .

Is it not man-to-man? The thread says bowlers.

Even if on an individual basis, the first is Amir.

 

[Dingolfy]

Is it not man-to-man? The thread says bowlers.

Even if on an individual basis, the first is Amir.

Even Man-to-man, we will win.
Amir faster than Shami
Sharma faster than Hassan
Yadav faster than both Abbas and Faheem

 

[InziRules]

Why do we even care? So what if they're faster? WE won the first test with our bowlers.

 

[ManFan]

Even Man-to-man, we will win.
Amir faster than Shami
Sharma faster than Hassan
Yadav faster than both Abbas and Faheem

So I posted a post comparing the average speed in 2016 when we faced England in the First Test under similar conditions (it did not post due to technical difficulties) and not be forced to bowl slow through the air like in May and it is the following:

Amir: 143.4

Wahab: 147.1

Rahat: 140.2

 

[Ellipsism]

And Hassan couldn't sustain his speed in England. Look how he trundled in the second test in England.

Still faster than BK:

Bear in mind this was at Headingly where swing/seam take precedence. Being able to sustain speeds will come with time, he’s only played 5 test matches.

 

[mak36]

Second innings of first Test - Comparison:

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The irony is the bowler who is slowest (Abbas) is more skilful than India's entire attack. What India would do to have a bowler like him.

 

[ManFan]

The irony is the bowler who is slowest (Abbas) is more skilful than India's entire attack. What India would do to have a bowler like him.

Not to mention the Man of the Series in his first tour to England.

 

[Dingolfy]

So I posted a post comparing the average speed in 2016 when we faced England in the First Test under similar conditions (it did not post due to technical difficulties) and not be forced to bowl slow through the air like in May and it is the following:

Amir: 143.4

Wahab: 147.1

Rahat: 140.2

First of all, nobody is 'forced' to bowl slow. You either have it or not. Amir actually bowled slower back then as per your speeds.
Secondly, if we go for older matches as of 2016, I can post speeds from SA series also.The discussion is about your current bowling attack.

 

[ManFan]

First of all, nobody is 'forced' to bowl slow. You either have it or not. Amir actually bowled slower back then as per your speeds.
Secondly, if we go for older matches as of 2016, I can post speeds from SA series also.The discussion is about your current bowling attack.

You actually do bowl slow to obtain better control and or swing/seam. In the same way spinners slow down through the air to create more loop, flight, drift, and turn so do pacers to obtain more revs, swing, seam.

And I brought up the last time we toured England in the summer (First Test only) because that is what you are doing now. It makes little sense to compare speeds in May to August in England as the conditions are entirely different.

And SA was a great series for your bowlers but we will tour later this year so a direct comparison can be made there also.

 

[Dingolfy]

The irony is the bowler who is slowest (Abbas) is more skillful than India's entire attack. What India would do to have a bowler like him.

This thread is about speeds. Regarding our attack, like I said earlier, come back when your current bowlers bowl for full series like how we bowled in SA. Abbas already tapered off in the second test against England.Took only 2 wickets at the average of 39 when English bowlers ran through your batsmen twice.

 

[ManFan]

This thread is about speeds. Regarding our attack, like I said earlier, come back when your current bowlers bowl for full series like how we bowled in SA. Abbas already tapered off in the second test against England.Took only 2 wickets at the average of 39 when English bowlers ran through your batsmen twice.

He had one bad innings in England?

Remind us please how many Ishant and Yadav have had?

 

[MesonK]

Pakistani Pace battery in England, 2nd innings

 

[Dingolfy]

He had one bad innings in England?

Remind us please how many Ishant and Yadav have had?

Also only one good test also.And if that makes him better than Indian bowlers and the failure in second test also should be counted.You cant have double standards.
And good thing you brought up Ishant.Check his avearge from 2016 with Amir( your premier bowler) and you will see the massive difference.I will be opening an another thread soon to discuss that.

 

[ManFan]

Also only one good test also.And if that makes him better than Indian bowlers and the failure in second test also should be counted.You cant have double standards.
And good thing you brought up Ishant.Check his avearge from 2016 with Amir( your premier bowler) and you will see the massive difference.I will be opening an another thread soon to discuss that.

He had a Test where he took eight wickets and was named Man of the Match. (First Test in England). The man has taken almost fifty wickets at a sub 20 average while Ishant only had one memorable spell against Ponting his rookie year.

Ishant has one memorable match-winning spell in what, three or four tours of England?

He may be better than Amir statistically but no one in their right mind would take him over Amir simply due to the gulf of class between the two. Amir may be rightly called pathetic but at least he can win when the pressure amounts greater and greater. Heck, he's won us two ICC Trophies.

 

[Dingolfy]

He had a Test where he took eight wickets and was named Man of the Match. (First Test in England). The man has taken almost fifty wickets at a sub 20 average while Ishant only had one memorable spell against Ponting his rookie year.

Ishant has one memorable match-winning spell in what, three or four tours of England?

He may be better than Amir statistically but no one in their right mind would take him over Amir simply due to the gulf of class between the two. Amir may be rightly called pathetic but at least he can win when the pressure amounts greater and greater. Heck, he's won us two ICC Trophies.

fifty wickets at a sub 20 average are against Windies,Srilanka,Ireland and England.3 minnows and one non-minnow.And in the second test match against non-minnow itself, he tapered off.
There is gulf of class in Tests and Ishant is currently much ahead of Amir in Tests.. Ishant's average from 2016 is in 26.41 whereas Amir's is 33.21.Massive difference.
And regarding ICC trophies, even Ishant Sharma has CT13 trophy and was fourth highest wicket taker in that with 10 wickets at an average of 21.8.

 

[Dingolfy]

You actually do bowl slow to obtain better control and or swing/seam. In the same way spinners slow down through the air to create more loop, flight, drift, and turn so do pacers to obtain more revs, swing, seam.

And I brought up the last time we toured England in the summer (First Test only) because that is what you are doing now. It makes little sense to compare speeds in May to August in England as the conditions are entirely different.

And SA was a great series for your bowlers but we will tour later this year so a direct comparison can be made there also.

So why did Amir bowled slow back then? Another 'injury'? And Bhaijan, this current test had to be stopped due to bad light which was caused by the rain clouds.It doesn't get any overcast than that.Why do you think both teams were getting so much movement in the air? Even then, the faster bowlers in both the teams bowled quick.

 

[ManFan]

fifty wickets at a sub 20 average are against Windies,Srilanka,Ireland and England.3 minnows and one non-minnow.And in the second test match against non-minnow itself, he tapered off.
There is gulf of class in Tests and Ishant is currently much ahead of Amir in Tests.. Ishant's average from 2016 is in 26.41 whereas Amir's is 33.21.Massive difference.
And regarding ICC trophies, even Ishant Sharma has CT13 trophy and was fourth highest wicket taker in that with 10 wickets at an average of 21.8.

He can’t choose the opposition but only perform what’s in front of him.

As far as Amir, he is comfortably better than Ishant. However unlike Ishant, he hasn’t had the benefit of playing at home for extended periods of time such as the seamer-friendly pitches against SL. He has played in AUS, Summertime England and the UAE.

Ishant is also out of the team for periods of time while Amir has bowled the most overs for any bowler across three formats.

If you are talking about CT than do I really need to mention the name “Amir” to you? ) He also has a wonderful spell against the M.O.T.T. Dilshan in the T20 Final in 2009 which he helped win.

 

[ManFan]

So why did Amir bowled slow back then? Another 'injury'? And Bhaijan, this current test had to be stopped due to bad light which was caused by the rain clouds.It doesn't get any overcast than that.Why do you think both teams were getting so much movement in the air? Even then, the faster bowlers in both the teams bowled quick.

Bowl slow when?

This Test was overcast but not as much as the one in May where the par score was barely over 200. Here, both teams came close to 300 but as the pitch deteriorated, they failed to do so again in the second innings.

 

[Dingolfy]

He can’t choose the opposition but only perform what’s in front of him.

As far as Amir, he is comfortably better than Ishant. However unlike Ishant, he hasn’t had the benefit of playing at home for extended periods of time such as the seamer-friendly pitches against SL. He has played in AUS, Summertime England and the UAE.

Ishant is also out of the team for periods of time while Amir has bowled the most overs for any bowler across three formats.

If you are talking about CT than do I really need to mention the name “Amir” to you? ) He also has a wonderful spell against the M.O.T.T. Dilshan in the T20 Final in 2009 which he helped win.

And still bowled worse than Ishant .And seamer-friendly pitches against SL? LOL.When did Srilanka became fast bowler's paradise. Man, I love your excuses. Keep them coming.Its highly entertaining

 

[Dingolfy]

Bowl slow when?

This Test was overcast but not as much as the one in May where the par score was barely over 200. Here, both teams came close to 300 but as the pitch deteriorated, they failed to do so again in the second innings.

Oh boy, loving the excuses. Coming thick and fast. Regarding AMir's pace, he bowled 145 this year which is faster than his 143 last time which kinda debunks your theory.But no problemo. Keep them coming.