Are Jews to blame for the rise in anti-semitism?

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They are to an extent.

Palestine, extremist Rabbis, racial/religious superiority. Jewish extremism is localised to (mainly) one area, whereas Muslim extremism is more wide spread so maybe that contributes to anti-Muslim sentiment more?

Though, I will say that there is a huge problem of anti-Semitism in Muslim communities (and in fundamental Christian communities too). It is obvious by some of the posters on this thread and on the forum.

I feel most communities harbour some form of extreme bias against another. If Christians and Muslims can be accused of anti-semitism due to their posts on the forum, then Hindus can be charged with being Islamophobes by the same token. If anything they are ten times worse as they infest every forum and news site with their trolling.

I guess it shows the common shared nature of humanity beyond labels.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If you crave a simple answer to an enormously challenging question, then it is this -

The (formerly so called) local working classes of caucasian origin in these countries no longer have the jobs, earning or economic security that they became accustomed to since WW2. In the last 20 - 25 years the knowledge economy has passed them by & left them marooned. They are looking for someone to blame - other than themselves.
This has given a wonderful opportunity to all sorts of demagogues, major & minor who can spin a largely right-wing narrative of "outsiders" coming in to take away their jobs, traditions & lifestyle. These outsiders could be anybody who is handy - Mexicans/Latinos in US, Sub-saharan Africans in France, Turks in germany, any one of numerous groups in UK (including, hilariously, Polish handymen, Romanian fruit pickers etc). And of course - dare I say it on this site - Muslims.
But the ORIGINAL outsider, ever since the early middle-ages , have been the Jews. So they are not immune, indeed far from it - in this general wave of hatred for the "other" that is being fomented by dishonest politicians, so called leaders & frankly criminal right-wing demagogues everywhere.
So there's my theory. Largely I also believe that this wave has led to Brexit, Trump, Modi. Who knows what's to come yet?

Im not craving for anything from you as I dont know as you as a poster at all. I was suggesting sticking to the topic and Im not sure how achievements of Jews has anything to do with the topic.

Your jobs answer is just wrong. UK, US, Germany, Aus and others seeing lower unemployment rates in recent times yet anti semitism is growing.

 

[pillionrider]

People of subcontinent in general are very useless in terms of contribution and has been the case throughout history for the most part

lol speak for yourself bud

 

[Technics 1210]

The world we live in is an absolute tragedy. If one doesn’t believe in the status quo, then one is a conspiracy theorist. The users who use free speech to criticise Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Pakistan, India, UK, USA, you name it – are the same users who find criticism of Israel/Judaism/Jews forbidden or best, taboo. These users tread carefully as if they are walking around egg shells.

The reality is anti-Semitism existed long BEFORE Christianity and Islam existed, and as much as our resident users profess Muslims are the only people who are antisemitic (isn’t this Islamophobic by their twisted logic?) their intellectual dishonesty and ignorance has no place in a free-thinking world.

What was the main cause of anti-Semitism pre 1947? MONEY. What is the main cause of anti-Semitism post 1947? POLITICS. Why is this distinction important? For most people anti-Semitism begins with WW2 fuelled by sympathetic emotions, the reality is, anti-Semitism existed long before.

Let’s begin with Moses and Pharaoh, we all know the story of how Moses saved the Hebrews from the Pharaohs. We also know what took place after with the Golden calf – and with Moses’ last sermon, Judaism was born. Whether you believe in religion or not, this fact doesn’t change, and is relevant as you are about to read.

Moses banished the Jews from modern day Israel, and the Jews walked in the wilderness for 40 years. Moses was/is considered the *Law giver* of Judaism, but with him being absent, the Jews would often insert their own laws outside of the Torah, thus the acceptance of Usury was born within Judaism, because Jew would take their possessions, mostly Gold, and lend to others. This practise later found its way into the Talmud.

Before Jesus arrived on the scene, Jews were lending money and charging high levels of interest. Such practises were rampant. However lending money was not the problem, in fact, high interest was not the problem either, the real problem was when the Jews held the borrowers to ransom by threating to take their possessions if the debt was not paid. This is the birth of anti-Semitism. Ever wonder where the term repossession comes from? You guess right.

Fast forward to when Jesus arrived, a special moment in his life known as the *cleansing of the temple*. Guess who he cleansed? That’s right, the Money Lenders – Jews. Jews were removed from the Herod's Temple, or known today as the Temple mount. THIS was the moment when Jews disregarded Jesus which lead to his crucifixion.

Note up to this point Islam is nowhere in the picture, and what is more important to note is that Jews then migrated towards Europe for two reasons. One, the Roman Empire, the Jews funded the Romans and found passage toward Europe. This is fine, until the penny drops, and one has to ask, well, why on Earth did the Jews not settle in Israel? Whey even after 2000 years, before 1947, Jews were not the major people in Israel? Don’t blame Muslims, they appeared approx. 1300 years after Jesus! The answer? The Jews were banished from Israel and in accordance to the Talmud, a major suffering of Jewish people had to occur before Jews were allowed back in Israel – thus Zionism was born – the political branch of Judaism.

Jews prospered in Europe. Through money lending, repossessions, and ransom. Anti-Semitism was now rife – remember Christianity forbade Usury, as did Islam later – this meant if you wanted to borrow money, you had to approach a Jew. But the story steps up a gear. Mayer Amschel Rothschild – you may have heard of him, well, he thought to himself, why lend to farmers, peasants, common man, when he could lend to Kings and Queens, and Governments. This ladies and gentlemen is the moment nations were susceptible to being held ransom. Think it did not happen? Think again.

The basis for the Rothschild fortune was laid during the later stages of the Napoleonic wars from 1813 to 185. The Rothschild family was instrumental in the financing of the British War effort, handling shipments of bullion to the Duke of Wellington’s army in Portugal and Spain as well as arranging the payment of British financial subsidies to their continental allies. The commissions and interest lead the Rothschilds wealth to grow enormously.

Here’s where it gets interesting. Napoleon was losing the war, but Rothschild thought he could use this as an advantage, how? Simple. He let known in Britain that Napoleon was WINNING the war, and starting selling his positions. Now because Rothschild was well respected, people followed him, which lead to panic selling – what did Rothschild do? He snapped up UK Bonds and Equity at rock bottom prices. This meant that the British OWED money to the Rothschilds, and this in practise means that the Rothschilds could call in their debt if the British did not follow suit [REPOSSESSION].

This gave birth to the Balfour Declaration! The declaration between the British Government and the Zionists, essentially the Rothschilds owned the British, and if the British did not dance to their tune, the Rothschilds would call in their debt and destroy the British. Don’t believe me? Take a look at this picture and tell me who is in power AND the Balfour declaration – which is an OFFICIAL government document.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration



The interesting aspect is the Balfour Declaration was signed in 1917, and by this time World War 1 was coming to an end, but Israel was no where in sight. This is why World War 2 is often referred to (by historians) as the unfinished war – where the motive was not liberation from Germany, but to establish Israel.
Before 1933, Hitler was not evil according to the media! No, it was when Jewish businesses imposed an embargo on Germany is when Hitler really resented the Jews. German people were suffering, and Hitler approached the Zionists and signed – wait for this – the Haavara Agreement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

Now with World War 2 over, Israel created, the truth was coming out. Benjamin H. Freedman, a Jew, yes a Jew, who was in the inner circle of the Zionists, gave a speech in 1961 at the Willard Hotel. Here is the Audio of that speech:

[utube] HhFRGDyX48c[/utube]

He exposed the motive behind the 2 World Wars.

Now after 1947, the reason why Jews were in power was not because they were smart, but because they had money. Money talks. They snapped up the Media and Political circles in the USA. Now you may be wondering why? Well, number one reason, USA by 1947 was a Super power in the making, but most importantly, USA was a Christian nation. Why does this matter? Well remember the part where the Jess killed Jesus? Well the Jews realised that Jesus was a prophet, and thus promised the Christian the RETURN OF THE MESSIAH. This is the reason behind the alliance between the USA and Israel – nothing more – other than religion. The Jews of Israel promises to help the Christians of the USA to return the Messiah to Jerusalem!

Now fast forward to past 1947. To those of you who claims 12 million cannot control the world. Wake up. What matter most to people? Money. How is the public perception controlled and influenced? Through the media? There are 10 major banks in the West, 5 major media companies, all controlled by the Jews. From the CEOs, to the executive board. This is public knowledge given banks are public companies. Even during 9/11, a story which was aired called *5 dancing Israelis* was swiftly removed from major Western news channels. Why?

When was the last time you ever saw an Israeli or Jewish protagonist in a movie or a drama? When was the last time you ever read an anti-Israeli/Jew article in the news? When was the last time you heard view on radio criticising the Jews and Israeli politics? For those of you in the UK, you may have watched Spooks. Fantastic program, but when there was an episode where the Mossad where the protagonists, it received the highest number of complaints! Why? It’ ok to depict Muslims, Christians, Atheists, North Koreans, Russians, and Chinese as evil?

Mel Gibson produced and directed a movie called – The Passion of the Christ – great movie but for him a tragedy, for his version blamed the Jews for the death of Jesus. After this movie his carrier was finished. Jews do not control the media you say? Think again. Look at the top producers, top directors; Steven Spielberg, whom I consider one of the greatest directors, was great in the 80s, and 90s, but went political with movies like Munich and Schindlers list. He event lost out on the best Oscar on best movie when he directed Lincoln, and lost out to Argo – a story where Iran was depicted as the weak.

This is a side show to the reality of what is happening in the Middle East. Post 1947, think of all the wars which USA has engaged in the ME. Which country has benefited the most? Israel. Last stop, destination Iran. Where does the term Firewall stem from? Moses and the fire between the Hebrews and the Pharaohs. Which nation makes the greatest Firewalls? Israel! Juniper, Net screen, Fortinet, the list goes on. DMZ heard of this feature? Where does it come from? Israel! Why is the Mossad considered the best intelligent service in the world? They have backdoors to such firewalls!

Now the Jews control the money, the media, and politics in the USA – A superpower – linked through religious purpose –Trump is a puppet. Recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, Golan heights, and reneging from the Iran nuclear deal only benefits Israel. If a candidate stands any chance of winning, he must 1 – denounce Iran, and 2 – support APIAC.

Many of the readers of course will read the above as mumbo jumbo, but let me explain the power of the Jewish controlled media in the west. For those of you born and raised in the West, you were taught about WW1 & WW2, but if I ask you how many UK, USA, German, Russian, Indian, troops died, you will have to confirm via Google – if I asked you how many Jews died, you would confirm without even flinching. History is written by the winners is it?

Everything I have mention above is verifiable by Historians, Governments, and Politicians. I dare you to defy me! Anti-Semitism has squat to do with scientific contributions or Muslims, but has everything to do with money and the history of the most persecuted people in humanity - for it is money that is power, nothing else.

So if you plebeians think I am anti-Semitic because I cite historical facts, then the joke is on you. History was never bunk and never started post WW2. Save you Kleenex. Not forgetting the fact than Arabs are also defined as Semitic, but the bias media has brainwashed you into thinking otherwise.

So, come back, do your homework, and save the Anti-Semitic accusations - I dare and defy you.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The world we live in is an absolute tragedy. If one doesn’t believe in the status quo, then one is a conspiracy theorist. The users who use free speech to criticise Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Pakistan, India, UK, USA, you name it – are the same users who find criticism of Israel/Judaism/Jews forbidden or best, taboo. These users tread carefully as if they are walking around egg shells.

The reality is anti-Semitism existed long BEFORE Christianity and Islam existed, and as much as our resident users profess Muslims are the only people who are antisemitic (isn’t this Islamophobic by their twisted logic?) their intellectual dishonesty and ignorance has no place in a free-thinking world.

What was the main cause of anti-Semitism pre 1947? MONEY. What is the main cause of anti-Semitism post 1947? POLITICS. Why is this distinction important? For most people anti-Semitism begins with WW2 fuelled by sympathetic emotions, the reality is, anti-Semitism existed long before.

Let’s begin with Moses and Pharaoh, we all know the story of how Moses saved the Hebrews from the Pharaohs. We also know what took place after with the Golden calf – and with Moses’ last sermon, Judaism was born. Whether you believe in religion or not, this fact doesn’t change, and is relevant as you are about to read.

Moses banished the Jews from modern day Israel, and the Jews walked in the wilderness for 40 years. Moses was/is considered the *Law giver* of Judaism, but with him being absent, the Jews would often insert their own laws outside of the Torah, thus the acceptance of Usury was born within Judaism, because Jew would take their possessions, mostly Gold, and lend to others. This practise later found its way into the Talmud.

Before Jesus arrived on the scene, Jews were lending money and charging high levels of interest. Such practises were rampant. However lending money was not the problem, in fact, high interest was not the problem either, the real problem was when the Jews held the borrowers to ransom by threating to take their possessions if the debt was not paid. This is the birth of anti-Semitism. Ever wonder where the term repossession comes from? You guess right.

Fast forward to when Jesus arrived, a special moment in his life known as the *cleansing of the temple*. Guess who he cleansed? That’s right, the Money Lenders – Jews. Jews were removed from the Herod's Temple, or known today as the Temple mount. THIS was the moment when Jews disregarded Jesus which lead to his crucifixion.

Note up to this point Islam is nowhere in the picture, and what is more important to note is that Jews then migrated towards Europe for two reasons. One, the Roman Empire, the Jews funded the Romans and found passage toward Europe. This is fine, until the penny drops, and one has to ask, well, why on Earth did the Jews not settle in Israel? Whey even after 2000 years, before 1947, Jews were not the major people in Israel? Don’t blame Muslims, they appeared approx. 1300 years after Jesus! The answer? The Jews were banished from Israel and in accordance to the Talmud, a major suffering of Jewish people had to occur before Jews were allowed back in Israel – thus Zionism was born – the political branch of Judaism.

Jews prospered in Europe. Through money lending, repossessions, and ransom. Anti-Semitism was now rife – remember Christianity forbade Usury, as did Islam later – this meant if you wanted to borrow money, you had to approach a Jew. But the story steps up a gear. Mayer Amschel Rothschild – you may have heard of him, well, he thought to himself, why lend to farmers, peasants, common man, when he could lend to Kings and Queens, and Governments. This ladies and gentlemen is the moment nations were susceptible to being held ransom. Think it did not happen? Think again.

The basis for the Rothschild fortune was laid during the later stages of the Napoleonic wars from 1813 to 185. The Rothschild family was instrumental in the financing of the British War effort, handling shipments of bullion to the Duke of Wellington’s army in Portugal and Spain as well as arranging the payment of British financial subsidies to their continental allies. The commissions and interest lead the Rothschilds wealth to grow enormously.

Here’s where it gets interesting. Napoleon was losing the war, but Rothschild thought he could use this as an advantage, how? Simple. He let known in Britain that Napoleon was WINNING the war, and starting selling his positions. Now because Rothschild was well respected, people followed him, which lead to panic selling – what did Rothschild do? He snapped up UK Bonds and Equity at rock bottom prices. This meant that the British OWED money to the Rothschilds, and this in practise means that the Rothschilds could call in their debt if the British did not follow suit [REPOSSESSION].

This gave birth to the Balfour Declaration! The declaration between the British Government and the Zionists, essentially the Rothschilds owned the British, and if the British did not dance to their tune, the Rothschilds would call in their debt and destroy the British. Don’t believe me? Take a look at this picture and tell me who is in power AND the Balfour declaration – which is an OFFICIAL government document.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

View attachment 90758

The interesting aspect is the Balfour Declaration was signed in 1917, and by this time World War 1 was coming to an end, but Israel was no where in sight. This is why World War 2 is often referred to (by historians) as the unfinished war – where the motive was not liberation from Germany, but to establish Israel.
Before 1933, Hitler was not evil according to the media! No, it was when Jewish businesses imposed an embargo on Germany is when Hitler really resented the Jews. German people were suffering, and Hitler approached the Zionists and signed – wait for this – the Haavara Agreement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

Now with World War 2 over, Israel created, the truth was coming out. Benjamin H. Freedman, a Jew, yes a Jew, who was in the inner circle of the Zionists, gave a speech in 1961 at the Willard Hotel. Here is the Audio of that speech:

[utube] HhFRGDyX48c[/utube]

He exposed the motive behind the 2 World Wars.

Now after 1947, the reason why Jews were in power was not because they were smart, but because they had money. Money talks. They snapped up the Media and Political circles in the USA. Now you may be wondering why? Well, number one reason, USA by 1947 was a Super power in the making, but most importantly, USA was a Christian nation. Why does this matter? Well remember the part where the Jess killed Jesus? Well the Jews realised that Jesus was a prophet, and thus promised the Christian the RETURN OF THE MESSIAH. This is the reason behind the alliance between the USA and Israel – nothing more – other than religion. The Jews of Israel promises to help the Christians of the USA to return the Messiah to Jerusalem!

Now fast forward to past 1947. To those of you who claims 12 million cannot control the world. Wake up. What matter most to people? Money. How is the public perception controlled and influenced? Through the media? There are 10 major banks in the West, 5 major media companies, all controlled by the Jews. From the CEOs, to the executive board. This is public knowledge given banks are public companies. Even during 9/11, a story which was aired called *5 dancing Israelis* was swiftly removed from major Western news channels. Why?

When was the last time you ever saw an Israeli or Jewish protagonist in a movie or a drama? When was the last time you ever read an anti-Israeli/Jew article in the news? When was the last time you heard view on radio criticising the Jews and Israeli politics? For those of you in the UK, you may have watched Spooks. Fantastic program, but when there was an episode where the Mossad where the protagonists, it received the highest number of complaints! Why? It’ ok to depict Muslims, Christians, Atheists, North Koreans, Russians, and Chinese as evil?

Mel Gibson produced and directed a movie called – The Passion of the Christ – great movie but for him a tragedy, for his version blamed the Jews for the death of Jesus. After this movie his carrier was finished. Jews do not control the media you say? Think again. Look at the top producers, top directors; Steven Spielberg, whom I consider one of the greatest directors, was great in the 80s, and 90s, but went political with movies like Munich and Schindlers list. He event lost out on the best Oscar on best movie when he directed Lincoln, and lost out to Argo – a story where Iran was depicted as the weak.

This is a side show to the reality of what is happening in the Middle East. Post 1947, think of all the wars which USA has engaged in the ME. Which country has benefited the most? Israel. Last stop, destination Iran. Where does the term Firewall stem from? Moses and the fire between the Hebrews and the Pharaohs. Which nation makes the greatest Firewalls? Israel! Juniper, Net screen, Fortinet, the list goes on. DMZ heard of this feature? Where does it come from? Israel! Why is the Mossad considered the best intelligent service in the world? They have backdoors to such firewalls!

Now the Jews control the money, the media, and politics in the USA – A superpower – linked through religious purpose –Trump is a puppet. Recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, Golan heights, and reneging from the Iran nuclear deal only benefits Israel. If a candidate stands any chance of winning, he must 1 – denounce Iran, and 2 – support APIAC.

Many of the readers of course will read the above as mumbo jumbo, but let me explain the power of the Jewish controlled media in the west. For those of you born and raised in the West, you were taught about WW1 & WW2, but if I ask you how many UK, USA, German, Russian, Indian, troops died, you will have to confirm via Google – if I asked you how many Jews died, you would confirm without even flinching. History is written by the winners is it?

Everything I have mention above is verifiable by Historians, Governments, and Politicians. I dare you to defy me! Anti-Semitism has squat to do with scientific contributions or Muslims, but has everything to do with money and the history of the most persecuted people in humanity - for it is money that is power, nothing else.

So if you plebeians think I am anti-Semitic because I cite historical facts, then the joke is on you. History was never bunk and never started post WW2. Save you Kleenex. Not forgetting the fact than Arabs are also defined as Semitic, but the bias media has brainwashed you into thinking otherwise.

So, come back, do your homework, and save the Anti-Semitic accusations - I dare and defy you.

Superb post. POTW

I would add it's also important to look at the diamond business which was started in the last 1800's from Kimberly and how this wealth helped in politics.

It;s also interesting to note how the German Jews were very patriotic at the start of WW1 but then things took a turn.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Let's look at it this way. According to Muslims

Jews vs Muslims - Israel is oppressive
Hindus vs Muslims - India has extremists Hindus
Christians vs Muslims - America is killing Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq
Buddhists vs Muslims - Blame China, Burma, etc.

You see a common problem? Wherever, there is a conflict, it always involve Muslims.

Jews are peace loving people who want to live peacefully in their own state. When do you hear Jews poking their nose in anyone else's business? The world would have been much worse without Jews. The anti-semitism is entirely based on unwarranted hatred and jealousy.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The world we live in is an absolute tragedy. If one doesn’t believe in the status quo, then one is a conspiracy theorist. The users who use free speech to criticise Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Pakistan, India, UK, USA, you name it – are the same users who find criticism of Israel/Judaism/Jews forbidden or best, taboo. These users tread carefully as if they are walking around egg shells.

The reality is anti-Semitism existed long BEFORE Christianity and Islam existed, and as much as our resident users profess Muslims are the only people who are antisemitic (isn’t this Islamophobic by their twisted logic?) their intellectual dishonesty and ignorance has no place in a free-thinking world.

What was the main cause of anti-Semitism pre 1947? MONEY. What is the main cause of anti-Semitism post 1947? POLITICS. Why is this distinction important? For most people anti-Semitism begins with WW2 fuelled by sympathetic emotions, the reality is, anti-Semitism existed long before.

Let’s begin with Moses and Pharaoh, we all know the story of how Moses saved the Hebrews from the Pharaohs. We also know what took place after with the Golden calf – and with Moses’ last sermon, Judaism was born. Whether you believe in religion or not, this fact doesn’t change, and is relevant as you are about to read.

Moses banished the Jews from modern day Israel, and the Jews walked in the wilderness for 40 years. Moses was/is considered the *Law giver* of Judaism, but with him being absent, the Jews would often insert their own laws outside of the Torah, thus the acceptance of Usury was born within Judaism, because Jew would take their possessions, mostly Gold, and lend to others. This practise later found its way into the Talmud.

Before Jesus arrived on the scene, Jews were lending money and charging high levels of interest. Such practises were rampant. However lending money was not the problem, in fact, high interest was not the problem either, the real problem was when the Jews held the borrowers to ransom by threating to take their possessions if the debt was not paid. This is the birth of anti-Semitism. Ever wonder where the term repossession comes from? You guess right.

Fast forward to when Jesus arrived, a special moment in his life known as the *cleansing of the temple*. Guess who he cleansed? That’s right, the Money Lenders – Jews. Jews were removed from the Herod's Temple, or known today as the Temple mount. THIS was the moment when Jews disregarded Jesus which lead to his crucifixion.

Note up to this point Islam is nowhere in the picture, and what is more important to note is that Jews then migrated towards Europe for two reasons. One, the Roman Empire, the Jews funded the Romans and found passage toward Europe. This is fine, until the penny drops, and one has to ask, well, why on Earth did the Jews not settle in Israel? Whey even after 2000 years, before 1947, Jews were not the major people in Israel? Don’t blame Muslims, they appeared approx. 1300 years after Jesus! The answer? The Jews were banished from Israel and in accordance to the Talmud, a major suffering of Jewish people had to occur before Jews were allowed back in Israel – thus Zionism was born – the political branch of Judaism.

Jews prospered in Europe. Through money lending, repossessions, and ransom. Anti-Semitism was now rife – remember Christianity forbade Usury, as did Islam later – this meant if you wanted to borrow money, you had to approach a Jew. But the story steps up a gear. Mayer Amschel Rothschild – you may have heard of him, well, he thought to himself, why lend to farmers, peasants, common man, when he could lend to Kings and Queens, and Governments. This ladies and gentlemen is the moment nations were susceptible to being held ransom. Think it did not happen? Think again.

The basis for the Rothschild fortune was laid during the later stages of the Napoleonic wars from 1813 to 185. The Rothschild family was instrumental in the financing of the British War effort, handling shipments of bullion to the Duke of Wellington’s army in Portugal and Spain as well as arranging the payment of British financial subsidies to their continental allies. The commissions and interest lead the Rothschilds wealth to grow enormously.

Here’s where it gets interesting. Napoleon was losing the war, but Rothschild thought he could use this as an advantage, how? Simple. He let known in Britain that Napoleon was WINNING the war, and starting selling his positions. Now because Rothschild was well respected, people followed him, which lead to panic selling – what did Rothschild do? He snapped up UK Bonds and Equity at rock bottom prices. This meant that the British OWED money to the Rothschilds, and this in practise means that the Rothschilds could call in their debt if the British did not follow suit [REPOSSESSION].

This gave birth to the Balfour Declaration! The declaration between the British Government and the Zionists, essentially the Rothschilds owned the British, and if the British did not dance to their tune, the Rothschilds would call in their debt and destroy the British. Don’t believe me? Take a look at this picture and tell me who is in power AND the Balfour declaration – which is an OFFICIAL government document.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

View attachment 90758

The interesting aspect is the Balfour Declaration was signed in 1917, and by this time World War 1 was coming to an end, but Israel was no where in sight. This is why World War 2 is often referred to (by historians) as the unfinished war – where the motive was not liberation from Germany, but to establish Israel.
Before 1933, Hitler was not evil according to the media! No, it was when Jewish businesses imposed an embargo on Germany is when Hitler really resented the Jews. German people were suffering, and Hitler approached the Zionists and signed – wait for this – the Haavara Agreement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

Now with World War 2 over, Israel created, the truth was coming out. Benjamin H. Freedman, a Jew, yes a Jew, who was in the inner circle of the Zionists, gave a speech in 1961 at the Willard Hotel. Here is the Audio of that speech:

[utube] HhFRGDyX48c[/utube]

He exposed the motive behind the 2 World Wars.

Now after 1947, the reason why Jews were in power was not because they were smart, but because they had money. Money talks. They snapped up the Media and Political circles in the USA. Now you may be wondering why? Well, number one reason, USA by 1947 was a Super power in the making, but most importantly, USA was a Christian nation. Why does this matter? Well remember the part where the Jess killed Jesus? Well the Jews realised that Jesus was a prophet, and thus promised the Christian the RETURN OF THE MESSIAH. This is the reason behind the alliance between the USA and Israel – nothing more – other than religion. The Jews of Israel promises to help the Christians of the USA to return the Messiah to Jerusalem!

Now fast forward to past 1947. To those of you who claims 12 million cannot control the world. Wake up. What matter most to people? Money. How is the public perception controlled and influenced? Through the media? There are 10 major banks in the West, 5 major media companies, all controlled by the Jews. From the CEOs, to the executive board. This is public knowledge given banks are public companies. Even during 9/11, a story which was aired called *5 dancing Israelis* was swiftly removed from major Western news channels. Why?

When was the last time you ever saw an Israeli or Jewish protagonist in a movie or a drama? When was the last time you ever read an anti-Israeli/Jew article in the news? When was the last time you heard view on radio criticising the Jews and Israeli politics? For those of you in the UK, you may have watched Spooks. Fantastic program, but when there was an episode where the Mossad where the protagonists, it received the highest number of complaints! Why? It’ ok to depict Muslims, Christians, Atheists, North Koreans, Russians, and Chinese as evil?

Mel Gibson produced and directed a movie called – The Passion of the Christ – great movie but for him a tragedy, for his version blamed the Jews for the death of Jesus. After this movie his carrier was finished. Jews do not control the media you say? Think again. Look at the top producers, top directors; Steven Spielberg, whom I consider one of the greatest directors, was great in the 80s, and 90s, but went political with movies like Munich and Schindlers list. He event lost out on the best Oscar on best movie when he directed Lincoln, and lost out to Argo – a story where Iran was depicted as the weak.

This is a side show to the reality of what is happening in the Middle East. Post 1947, think of all the wars which USA has engaged in the ME. Which country has benefited the most? Israel. Last stop, destination Iran. Where does the term Firewall stem from? Moses and the fire between the Hebrews and the Pharaohs. Which nation makes the greatest Firewalls? Israel! Juniper, Net screen, Fortinet, the list goes on. DMZ heard of this feature? Where does it come from? Israel! Why is the Mossad considered the best intelligent service in the world? They have backdoors to such firewalls!

Now the Jews control the money, the media, and politics in the USA – A superpower – linked through religious purpose –Trump is a puppet. Recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, Golan heights, and reneging from the Iran nuclear deal only benefits Israel. If a candidate stands any chance of winning, he must 1 – denounce Iran, and 2 – support APIAC.

Many of the readers of course will read the above as mumbo jumbo, but let me explain the power of the Jewish controlled media in the west. For those of you born and raised in the West, you were taught about WW1 & WW2, but if I ask you how many UK, USA, German, Russian, Indian, troops died, you will have to confirm via Google – if I asked you how many Jews died, you would confirm without even flinching. History is written by the winners is it?

Everything I have mention above is verifiable by Historians, Governments, and Politicians. I dare you to defy me! Anti-Semitism has squat to do with scientific contributions or Muslims, but has everything to do with money and the history of the most persecuted people in humanity - for it is money that is power, nothing else.

So if you plebeians think I am anti-Semitic because I cite historical facts, then the joke is on you. History was never bunk and never started post WW2. Save you Kleenex. Not forgetting the fact than Arabs are also defined as Semitic, but the bias media has brainwashed you into thinking otherwise.

So, come back, do your homework, and save the Anti-Semitic accusations - I dare and defy you.

My word. As everyone knows I am not a fan of POTW nominations, but if ever one was deserved it is right there. So much historical context and summed up so succinctly.

I doff my hat to you sir, consider your contribution a service to all our members!

 

[Ronaldo7]

[MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION] That was a nice read. Good amount of time and effort has been put in that. POTW right here.

 

[The_Odd_One]

The world we live in is an absolute tragedy. If one doesn’t believe in the status quo, then one is a conspiracy theorist. The users who use free speech to criticise Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Pakistan, India, UK, USA, you name it – are the same users who find criticism of Israel/Judaism/Jews forbidden or best, taboo. These users tread carefully as if they are walking around egg shells.

The reality is anti-Semitism existed long BEFORE Christianity and Islam existed, and as much as our resident users profess Muslims are the only people who are antisemitic (isn’t this Islamophobic by their twisted logic?) their intellectual dishonesty and ignorance has no place in a free-thinking world.

What was the main cause of anti-Semitism pre 1947? MONEY. What is the main cause of anti-Semitism post 1947? POLITICS. Why is this distinction important? For most people anti-Semitism begins with WW2 fuelled by sympathetic emotions, the reality is, anti-Semitism existed long before.

Let’s begin with Moses and Pharaoh, we all know the story of how Moses saved the Hebrews from the Pharaohs. We also know what took place after with the Golden calf – and with Moses’ last sermon, Judaism was born. Whether you believe in religion or not, this fact doesn’t change, and is relevant as you are about to read.

Moses banished the Jews from modern day Israel, and the Jews walked in the wilderness for 40 years. Moses was/is considered the *Law giver* of Judaism, but with him being absent, the Jews would often insert their own laws outside of the Torah, thus the acceptance of Usury was born within Judaism, because Jew would take their possessions, mostly Gold, and lend to others. This practise later found its way into the Talmud.

Before Jesus arrived on the scene, Jews were lending money and charging high levels of interest. Such practises were rampant. However lending money was not the problem, in fact, high interest was not the problem either, the real problem was when the Jews held the borrowers to ransom by threating to take their possessions if the debt was not paid. This is the birth of anti-Semitism. Ever wonder where the term repossession comes from? You guess right.

Fast forward to when Jesus arrived, a special moment in his life known as the *cleansing of the temple*. Guess who he cleansed? That’s right, the Money Lenders – Jews. Jews were removed from the Herod's Temple, or known today as the Temple mount. THIS was the moment when Jews disregarded Jesus which lead to his crucifixion.

Note up to this point Islam is nowhere in the picture, and what is more important to note is that Jews then migrated towards Europe for two reasons. One, the Roman Empire, the Jews funded the Romans and found passage toward Europe. This is fine, until the penny drops, and one has to ask, well, why on Earth did the Jews not settle in Israel? Whey even after 2000 years, before 1947, Jews were not the major people in Israel? Don’t blame Muslims, they appeared approx. 1300 years after Jesus! The answer? The Jews were banished from Israel and in accordance to the Talmud, a major suffering of Jewish people had to occur before Jews were allowed back in Israel – thus Zionism was born – the political branch of Judaism.

Jews prospered in Europe. Through money lending, repossessions, and ransom. Anti-Semitism was now rife – remember Christianity forbade Usury, as did Islam later – this meant if you wanted to borrow money, you had to approach a Jew. But the story steps up a gear. Mayer Amschel Rothschild – you may have heard of him, well, he thought to himself, why lend to farmers, peasants, common man, when he could lend to Kings and Queens, and Governments. This ladies and gentlemen is the moment nations were susceptible to being held ransom. Think it did not happen? Think again.

The basis for the Rothschild fortune was laid during the later stages of the Napoleonic wars from 1813 to 185. The Rothschild family was instrumental in the financing of the British War effort, handling shipments of bullion to the Duke of Wellington’s army in Portugal and Spain as well as arranging the payment of British financial subsidies to their continental allies. The commissions and interest lead the Rothschilds wealth to grow enormously.

Here’s where it gets interesting. Napoleon was losing the war, but Rothschild thought he could use this as an advantage, how? Simple. He let known in Britain that Napoleon was WINNING the war, and starting selling his positions. Now because Rothschild was well respected, people followed him, which lead to panic selling – what did Rothschild do? He snapped up UK Bonds and Equity at rock bottom prices. This meant that the British OWED money to the Rothschilds, and this in practise means that the Rothschilds could call in their debt if the British did not follow suit [REPOSSESSION].

This gave birth to the Balfour Declaration! The declaration between the British Government and the Zionists, essentially the Rothschilds owned the British, and if the British did not dance to their tune, the Rothschilds would call in their debt and destroy the British. Don’t believe me? Take a look at this picture and tell me who is in power AND the Balfour declaration – which is an OFFICIAL government document.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

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The interesting aspect is the Balfour Declaration was signed in 1917, and by this time World War 1 was coming to an end, but Israel was no where in sight. This is why World War 2 is often referred to (by historians) as the unfinished war – where the motive was not liberation from Germany, but to establish Israel.
Before 1933, Hitler was not evil according to the media! No, it was when Jewish businesses imposed an embargo on Germany is when Hitler really resented the Jews. German people were suffering, and Hitler approached the Zionists and signed – wait for this – the Haavara Agreement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

Now with World War 2 over, Israel created, the truth was coming out. Benjamin H. Freedman, a Jew, yes a Jew, who was in the inner circle of the Zionists, gave a speech in 1961 at the Willard Hotel. Here is the Audio of that speech:

[utube] HhFRGDyX48c[/utube]

He exposed the motive behind the 2 World Wars.

Now after 1947, the reason why Jews were in power was not because they were smart, but because they had money. Money talks. They snapped up the Media and Political circles in the USA. Now you may be wondering why? Well, number one reason, USA by 1947 was a Super power in the making, but most importantly, USA was a Christian nation. Why does this matter? Well remember the part where the Jess killed Jesus? Well the Jews realised that Jesus was a prophet, and thus promised the Christian the RETURN OF THE MESSIAH. This is the reason behind the alliance between the USA and Israel – nothing more – other than religion. The Jews of Israel promises to help the Christians of the USA to return the Messiah to Jerusalem!

Now fast forward to past 1947. To those of you who claims 12 million cannot control the world. Wake up. What matter most to people? Money. How is the public perception controlled and influenced? Through the media? There are 10 major banks in the West, 5 major media companies, all controlled by the Jews. From the CEOs, to the executive board. This is public knowledge given banks are public companies. Even during 9/11, a story which was aired called *5 dancing Israelis* was swiftly removed from major Western news channels. Why?

When was the last time you ever saw an Israeli or Jewish protagonist in a movie or a drama? When was the last time you ever read an anti-Israeli/Jew article in the news? When was the last time you heard view on radio criticising the Jews and Israeli politics? For those of you in the UK, you may have watched Spooks. Fantastic program, but when there was an episode where the Mossad where the protagonists, it received the highest number of complaints! Why? It’ ok to depict Muslims, Christians, Atheists, North Koreans, Russians, and Chinese as evil?

Mel Gibson produced and directed a movie called – The Passion of the Christ – great movie but for him a tragedy, for his version blamed the Jews for the death of Jesus. After this movie his carrier was finished. Jews do not control the media you say? Think again. Look at the top producers, top directors; Steven Spielberg, whom I consider one of the greatest directors, was great in the 80s, and 90s, but went political with movies like Munich and Schindlers list. He event lost out on the best Oscar on best movie when he directed Lincoln, and lost out to Argo – a story where Iran was depicted as the weak.

This is a side show to the reality of what is happening in the Middle East. Post 1947, think of all the wars which USA has engaged in the ME. Which country has benefited the most? Israel. Last stop, destination Iran. Where does the term Firewall stem from? Moses and the fire between the Hebrews and the Pharaohs. Which nation makes the greatest Firewalls? Israel! Juniper, Net screen, Fortinet, the list goes on. DMZ heard of this feature? Where does it come from? Israel! Why is the Mossad considered the best intelligent service in the world? They have backdoors to such firewalls!

Now the Jews control the money, the media, and politics in the USA – A superpower – linked through religious purpose –Trump is a puppet. Recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, Golan heights, and reneging from the Iran nuclear deal only benefits Israel. If a candidate stands any chance of winning, he must 1 – denounce Iran, and 2 – support APIAC.

Many of the readers of course will read the above as mumbo jumbo, but let me explain the power of the Jewish controlled media in the west. For those of you born and raised in the West, you were taught about WW1 & WW2, but if I ask you how many UK, USA, German, Russian, Indian, troops died, you will have to confirm via Google – if I asked you how many Jews died, you would confirm without even flinching. History is written by the winners is it?

Everything I have mention above is verifiable by Historians, Governments, and Politicians. I dare you to defy me! Anti-Semitism has squat to do with scientific contributions or Muslims, but has everything to do with money and the history of the most persecuted people in humanity - for it is money that is power, nothing else.

So if you plebeians think I am anti-Semitic because I cite historical facts, then the joke is on you. History was never bunk and never started post WW2. Save you Kleenex. Not forgetting the fact than Arabs are also defined as Semitic, but the bias media has brainwashed you into thinking otherwise.

So, come back, do your homework, and save the Anti-Semitic accusations - I dare and defy you.

I could summarize it for you in one sentence, we must hate jews because of their success and influence in the world, and their will to not be prosecuted again. There I did it for you.

 

[Robert]

The world we live in is an absolute tragedy. If one doesn’t believe in the status quo, then one is a conspiracy theorist. The users who use free speech to criticise Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Pakistan, India, UK, USA, you name it – are the same users who find criticism of Israel/Judaism/Jews forbidden or best, taboo. These users tread carefully as if they are walking around egg shells.

The reality is anti-Semitism existed long BEFORE Christianity and Islam existed, and as much as our resident users profess Muslims are the only people who are antisemitic (isn’t this Islamophobic by their twisted logic?) their intellectual dishonesty and ignorance has no place in a free-thinking world.

What was the main cause of anti-Semitism pre 1947? MONEY. What is the main cause of anti-Semitism post 1947? POLITICS. Why is this distinction important? For most people anti-Semitism begins with WW2 fuelled by sympathetic emotions, the reality is, anti-Semitism existed long before.

Let’s begin with Moses and Pharaoh, we all know the story of how Moses saved the Hebrews from the Pharaohs. We also know what took place after with the Golden calf – and with Moses’ last sermon, Judaism was born. Whether you believe in religion or not, this fact doesn’t change, and is relevant as you are about to read.

Moses banished the Jews from modern day Israel, and the Jews walked in the wilderness for 40 years.

Come again? He didn't even make it to Israel, he died in the Wilderness. This was God's punishment on him for breaking the stone tablets. His successor Joshua led the Israelites out of the Wilderness and into the Promised Land.

Before Jesus arrived on the scene, Jews were lending money and charging high levels of interest. Such practises were rampant. However lending money was not the problem, in fact, high interest was not the problem either, the real problem was when the Jews held the borrowers to ransom by threating to take their possessions if the debt was not paid. This is the birth of anti-Semitism. Ever wonder where the term repossession comes from? You guess right.

I disagree - ask antisemitic Christians why they are antisemitic and they will say "Because they crucified my Lord". Christianity can be seen as a Jewish heresy.

Jewish moneylenders were in fact highly useful to Christian businessmen because they could borrow money from them - a point you make later.

Fast forward to when Jesus arrived, a special moment in his life known as the *cleansing of the temple*. Guess who he cleansed? That’s right, the Money Lenders – Jews. Jews were removed from the Herod's Temple, or known today as the Temple mount. THIS was the moment when Jews disregarded Jesus which lead to his crucifixion.

Not exactly. He had upset the local priestly power structure by riding into Jerusalem on his donkey to great acclaim after the Sermon on the Mount. He was a radical rabbi and popular, and the Sanhedrin (priesthood) felt threatened by his triumphal entry and his debate victory over them.

Note up to this point Islam is nowhere in the picture, and what is more important to note is that Jews then migrated towards Europe for two reasons. One, the Roman Empire, the Jews funded the Romans and found passage toward Europe.

No. In fact the Roman Empire decided to destroy Israel due to constant uprisings and achieved this in CE 70-75, scattering the Jewish diaspora across Europe, the Caucuses, Africa and Persia.

This is fine, until the penny drops, and one has to ask, well, why on Earth did the Jews not settle in Israel? Whey even after 2000 years, before 1947, Jews were not the major people in Israel?

Because they had been expelled from their homeland by the Romans. Then the Empire fell, the Caliphs took over and would not let them back in en masse.

Jews prospered in Europe. Through money lending, repossessions, and ransom. Anti-Semitism was now rife – remember Christianity forbade Usury, as did Islam later – this meant if you wanted to borrow money, you had to approach a Jew. But the story steps up a gear. Mayer Amschel Rothschild – you may have heard of him, well, he thought to himself, why lend to farmers, peasants, common man, when he could lend to Kings and Queens, and Governments. This ladies and gentlemen is the moment nations were susceptible to being held ransom. Think it did not happen? Think again.

Though bear in mind the numerous Pogroms and deportations from Europe. So it wasn't all rosy for European Jewry.

The basis for the Rothschild fortune was laid during the later stages of the Napoleonic wars from 1813 to 185. The Rothschild family was instrumental in the financing of the British War effort, handling shipments of bullion to the Duke of Wellington’s army in Portugal and Spain as well as arranging the payment of British financial subsidies to their continental allies. The commissions and interest lead the Rothschilds wealth to grow enormously.

Here’s where it gets interesting. Napoleon was losing the war, but Rothschild thought he could use this as an advantage, how? Simple. He let known in Britain that Napoleon was WINNING the war, and starting selling his positions. Now because Rothschild was well respected, people followed him, which lead to panic selling – what did Rothschild do? He snapped up UK Bonds and Equity at rock bottom prices. This meant that the British OWED money to the Rothschilds, and this in practise means that the Rothschilds could call in their debt if the British did not follow suit [REPOSSESSION].

This gave birth to the Balfour Declaration! The declaration between the British Government and the Zionists, essentially the Rothschilds owned the British, and if the British did not dance to their tune, the Rothschilds would call in their debt and destroy the British. Don’t believe me? Take a look at this picture and tell me who is in power AND the Balfour declaration – which is an OFFICIAL government document.

You're over-reaching. While it is true that the Rothschild bank backed King George to win against Napoleon, the British Empire exploded across the world thereafter and the debts were paid well before 1917. Adter the Napoleonic Wars the Rothschilds became fund managers.

The interesting aspect is the Balfour Declaration was signed in 1917, and by this time World War 1 was coming to an end, but Israel was no where in sight. This is why World War 2 is often referred to (by historians) as the unfinished war – where the motive was not liberation from Germany, but to establish Israel.

That's news to me. WW1 and WW2 can reasonably be described as one war with a 21-year ceasefire in the middle, but the collapse of Weimar Germany and the rise of Hitler was rather more due to the punishing Treaty of Versailles and the Great Depression.

Before 1933, Hitler was not evil according to the media! No, it was when Jewish businesses imposed an embargo on Germany is when Hitler really resented the Jews. German people were suffering, and Hitler approached the Zionists and signed – wait for this – the Haavara Agreement.

Yeah, I hear this from conspiracy theorists. In fact Hitler had already begun persecuting the German Jews, refugees began to flee and Jewish financiers overseas retaliated against these abuses, much like the world did to apartheid South Africa fifty years later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

Now with World War 2 over, Israel created, the truth was coming out. Benjamin H. Freedman, a Jew, yes a Jew, who was in the inner circle of the Zionists, gave a speech in 1961 at the Willard Hotel. Here is the Audio of that speech:

[utube] HhFRGDyX48c[/utube]

He exposed the motive behind the 2 World Wars.

Now after 1947, the reason why Jews were in power was not because they were smart, but because they had money. Money talks. They snapped up the Media and Political circles in the USA. Now you may be wondering why? Well, number one reason, USA by 1947 was a Super power in the making, but most importantly, USA was a Christian nation. Why does this matter? Well remember the part where the Jess killed Jesus? Well the Jews realised that Jesus was a prophet, and thus promised the Christian the RETURN OF THE MESSIAH.
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Sorry mate, this is nonsense, the return of Jesus is promised in the Bible. All this was written down before they were scattered by the Romans.

This is the reason behind the alliance between the USA and Israel – nothing more – other than religion. The Jews of Israel promises to help the Christians of the USA to return the Messiah to Jerusalem!

Not even the dumbest Americans would believe that modern Jews could enact a Biblical prophecy. They believe their God is going to do it, and God is omnipotent after all.

Now fast forward to past 1947. To those of you who claims 12 million cannot control the world. Wake up. What matter most to people? Money. How is the public perception controlled and influenced? Through the media? There are 10 major banks in the West, 5 major media companies, all controlled by the Jews. From the CEOs, to the executive board. This is public knowledge given banks are public companies. Even during 9/11, a story which was aired called *5 dancing Israelis* was swiftly removed from major Western news channels. Why?

When was the last time you ever saw an Israeli or Jewish protagonist in a movie or a drama?

Rachel Berry in Glee?

Larry in Curb Your Enthusiasm?

When was the last time you ever read an anti-Israeli/Jew article in the news? When was the last time you heard view on radio criticising the Jews and Israeli politics? For those of you in the UK, you may have watched Spooks. Fantastic program, but when there was an episode where the Mossad where the protagonists, it received the highest number of complaints! Why? It’ ok to depict Muslims, Christians, Atheists, North Koreans, Russians, and Chinese as evil?

There was plenty of talk about the Gaza convoy interception. That was critical of the IDF.

Mel Gibson produced and directed a movie called – The Passion of the Christ – great movie but for him a tragedy, for his version blamed the Jews for the death of Jesus. After this movie his carrier was finished.

He has been in fifteen films since Passion, directing three of them. The Resurrection of the Christ is in post-production right now.

Jews do not control the media you say? Think again. Look at the top producers, top directors; Steven Spielberg, whom I consider one of the greatest directors, was great in the 80s, and 90s, but went political with movies like Munich and Schindlers list. He event lost out on the best Oscar on best movie when he directed Lincoln, and lost out to Argo – a story where Iran was depicted as the weak.

Well if the Jews control the media, he would be getting Oscars for everything still, surely?

This is a side show to the reality of what is happening in the Middle East. Post 1947, think of all the wars which USA has engaged in the ME. Which country has benefited the most? Israel. Last stop, destination Iran. Where does the term Firewall stem from?

The construction industry.

Moses and the fire between the Hebrews and the Pharaohs. Which nation makes the greatest Firewalls? Israel! Juniper, Net screen, Fortinet, the list goes on. DMZ heard of this feature? Where does it come from? Israel! Why is the Mossad considered the best intelligent service in the world? They have backdoors to such firewalls!

Now the Jews control the money, the media, and politics in the USA – A superpower – linked through religious purpose –Trump is a puppet. Recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, Golan heights, and reneging from the Iran nuclear deal only benefits Israel. If a candidate stands any chance of winning, he must 1 – denounce Iran, and 2 – support APIAC.

That's putting the cart before the horse. Trump doesn't care about those places, he takes positions which will get him votes in the Bible Belt.

Many of the readers of course will read the above as mumbo jumbo, but let me explain the power of the Jewish controlled media in the west. For those of you born and raised in the West, you were taught about WW1 & WW2, but if I ask you how many UK, USA, German, Russian, Indian, troops died, you will have to confirm via Google – if I asked you how many Jews died, you would confirm without even flinching. History is written by the winners is it?

Apples and oranges. Those Jews you refer to were civilians, not soldiers. The Holocaust is unique in history as the only time that industrial methods were used to exterminate a population, and it remains in living memory, and happened in Europe - that is why it is such a wscar on history.

BTW I know of the top of my head that about 500K British Emnpire / Commonwealth soldiers died, about 250K American soldiers, 5M Germans, and a truly shocking 20M Russians.

Everything I have mention above is verifiable by Historians, Governments, and Politicians. I dare you to defy me!

Dare accepted. There is some truth in your posts but a lot of errors too.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I could summarize it for you in one sentence, we must hate jews because of their success and influence in the world, and their will to not be prosecuted again. There I did it for you.

Are you 12? lol

Clearly you are against the post. Please refute it in detail....if you can but I know you can't.

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]

Please answer the question in the OP. Why is antisemtism rising in Europe and the US? The media doesn't demonise then as they do Muslims.

 

[Bosanquet]

Im not craving for anything from you as I dont know as you as a poster at all. I was suggesting sticking to the topic and Im not sure how achievements of Jews has anything to do with the topic.

Your jobs answer is just wrong. UK, US, Germany, Aus and others seeing lower unemployment rates in recent times yet anti semitism is growing.

You are the one who called me out following my comment on Mamoon's post re Jewish achievements.Thus my response to you. And of course neither do I know you as a poster.

As I hinted, there are no simple answers to complex questions. So let's make it a little more complex.

The dislike of ALL outsiders/others/immigrant communities/religions by the natives of these western countries has been fanned by a spectrum of their so-called leaders. Simply pointing at total employment rates is rather obtuse. Most of the job growth has been in "knowledge" sectors or in crap mac-jobs and zero hours contracts.
This has deprived the erstwhile white working classes of their traditional guaranteed for life manufacturing/mining type jobs and so they want answers. The easiest answer is - 'Blame the immigrants & outsiders who steal what is rightfully yours'.
And so the rise in anti- EVERYBODY feeling. Not just Jews. Heck even some of my Greek, Italian & Polish colleagues within the NHS are planning to leave or actually left. As a member of your faith I suspect you know exactly what I mean and will have experienced these attitudes within the local communities.

 

[Technics 1210]

Come again? He didn't even make it to Israel, he died in the Wilderness. This was God's punishment on him for breaking the stone tablets. His successor Joshua led the Israelites out of the Wilderness and into the Promised Land.

Who said he made it to Israel? I said Moses banished the Jews from modern day Israel, and the Jews walked in the wilderness for 40 years. Whether lead by Joshua or anyone else doesn’t change my point.

I disagree - ask antisemitic Christians why they are antisemitic and they will say "Because they crucified my Lord". Christianity can be seen as a Jewish heresy.

My point was in reference to before Jesus appeared, and more so in my next paragraph, I also mentioned that once the Jews were removed from the Herod's Temple, the Jews disregarded Jesus which lead to his crucifixion. Yes the Jews crucified their Lord, but I explained why Jesus was crucified, it was because Jesus removed the money lenders.

Your response doesn’t change this fact, but does demonstrate that Christians were anti-Semitic long before Islam was in the picture.

Jewish moneylenders were in fact highly useful to Christian businessmen because they could borrow money from them - a point you make later

Yup. It was all down to money lending. You are agreeing with my point.

Not exactly. He had upset the local priestly power structure by riding into Jerusalem on his donkey to great acclaim after the Sermon on the Mount. He was a radical rabbi and popular, and the Sanhedrin (priesthood) felt threatened by his triumphal entry and his debate victory over them.

Of course, he upset the local priestly power! He was responsible for destroying the temple! Also doesn’t change the fact that Jesus destroyed the Money Lenders which lead to a rise in resentment, he after all insulted the Jews by destroying what they believed was their God given right. This led to his crucifixion. Remember he was giving sermons long before he entered the Temple on his donkey – he was popular as you say, but it was when he destroyed the money lenders, when he became unpopular in the eyes of the Jews.

No. In fact the Roman Empire decided to destroy Israel due to constant uprisings and achieved this in CE 70-75, scattering the Jewish diaspora across Europe, the Caucuses, Africa and Persia.

Doesn’t refute what I said. Jews were not permitted to settle in Israel for nearly 2000 years as per their faith. As a result, Jews settled across Europe.

Because they had been expelled from their homeland by the Romans. Then the Empire fell, the Caliphs took over and would not let them back in en masse.

It was their faith that had expelled them, why were they walking in wilderness? You have also missed the Christian crusaders who conquered Israel, took part in expelling the Jews too. Yes Caliphate played a role, but much later on. You cannot just blame the Muslims!

Romans never exiled any nation from anywhere on the eastern seaboard of the Mediterranean. Apart from enslaving prisoners, a small population of Judea continued to live on their lands, even after the destruction of the second temple. Some converted to Christianity in the 4th century, while the majority embraced Islam during the 7th century Arab conquest.

Though bear in mind the numerous Pogroms and deportations from Europe. So it wasn't all rosy for European Jewry.

Doesn’t change the fact that most Jews settled in Europe. Of course it was not rosy, anti-Semitism was rife thanks to the money lending practices of the Jews.

You're over-reaching. While it is true that the Rothschild bank backed King George to win against Napoleon, the British Empire exploded across the world thereafter and the debts were paid well before 1917. Adter the Napoleonic Wars the Rothschilds became fund managers.

Of course after the Napoleonic wars the Rothschilds became fund managers, they owned the bonds! Debts were not paid off before 1917, Britain was still paying interest, in fact during WW1 and WW2 debts increased!

That's news to me. WW1 and WW2 can reasonably be described as one war with a 21-year ceasefire in the middle, but the collapse of Weimar Germany and the rise of Hitler was rather more due to the punishing Treaty of Versailles and the Great Depression.

You said it, a 21 year ceasefire! Meaning unfinished business.

https://onlineessays.com/essays/history/was-world-war-2-a-continuation-of-world-war-1.php

The reality is what was the point of signing the Balfour Declaration towards the end of World War 1? Unless of course there were plans to restart the war!

Yeah, I hear this from conspiracy theorists. In fact Hitler had already begun persecuting the German Jews, refugees began to flee and Jewish financiers overseas retaliated against these abuses, much like the world did to apartheid South Africa fifty years later.

You can call it a conspiracy; fact is there was a deal between Nazis and Zionists and it was called the Haavara agreement. Do you deny this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

Sorry mate, this is nonsense, the return of Jesus is promised in the Bible. All this was written down before they were scattered by the Romans.

And? Who said otherwise? I said the Jews promised the Christians to help the Messiah return after being held responsible by the Christians for the death of Jesus. How does you statement above change this fact?
You said yourself above, Christians blamed the Jews - *Because they crucified my Lord* - and the Jews simply decided to help the Christians as both Jews and Christians come from the same lineage of Abrahamic faith – Isaac. Hence the term Judeo-Christian.

Not even the dumbest Americans would believe that modern Jews could enact a Biblical prophecy. They believe their God is going to do it, and God is omnipotent after all.

You are talking about the same dumb people who voted for Trump? Reality is the Bible Belt is strong in the USA, and the religious lobby one of the most powerful. You cannot dismiss a point by stating the people are not dumb enough given it was not the people who had a say in the alliance between USA and Israel, it was the religious politicians! They believe their God is doing it, via the help of the Jews!

The reality remains the alliance between USA and Israel is based on a religious alliance before anything else.

Rachel Berry in Glee?
Larry in Curb Your Enthusiasm?

These are comedies, and do not include protagonists.

There was plenty of talk about the Gaza convoy interception. That was critical of the IDF.

Which News Channel/News Paper/Radio? RT is critical of the IDF, but RT is considered a propaganda site is it not?

He has been in fifteen films since Passion, directing three of them. The Resurrection of the Christ is in post-production right now.

Why Hollywood finally forgave Mel Gibson at the 2017 Oscars

https://www.businessinsider.com/mel-gibson-comeback-oscars-2017-2?r=US&IR=T

Forgiven for what? Mel Gibson was heavily criticised for depicting the Jews in negative light in his Passion of the Christ movie. This lead to him making many anti-Semitic remarks which killed his career. His career was then resurrected ONLY because he was heavily funded by the Christians.

http://jcpa.org/article/mel-gibsons-the-passion-of-the-christ-legitimizing-anti-semitism/

The 15 or so appearances you refer to range from cameos to favoured roles.

Well if the Jews control the media, he would be getting Oscars for everything still, surely?

Control is not about awards. It’s about what is permitted and what is forbidden. Control is not the same as favouritism. Though Spielberg did win an Oscar for Schinders List, for reasons which are obvious.

Remember, I asked you above if you remember the last time you saw a Jewish protagonist in a movie, and you cited 2 comedies.

The construction industry.

Sorry but you are wrong here. I work in the Telecoms industry and every major firewall must be registered in Israel, or the developed by Israelis. Israel invented the firewall for telecommunications.

https://www.israel21c.org/made-in-israel-the-top-64-innovations-developed-in-israel/

That's putting the cart before the horse. Trump doesn't care about those places, he takes positions which will get him votes in the Bible Belt.

Trump only cares about money. His elder daughter converted to Judaism and married Kushner. Kushner is the Son of one of Trump’s business associates. Trump was well supported by the Jews while he was developing New York! This is common verifiable knowledge.

He might not care about those places, but that doesn’t mean he will not do favours for APIAC/Israel in return for finance. Is it a coincidence that Trump has managed to passed 3 executive orders in favour if Israel, when no other US president in history has done so?

BTW I know of the top of my head that about 500K British Emnpire / Commonwealth soldiers died, about 250K American soldiers, 5M Germans, and a truly shocking 20M Russians.

Your numbers are pretty close, though 25M Russians died. Notice how you said, off the top of my head. Would you say the same if someone asked you how many Jews died in WW2?

Dare accepted. There is some truth in your posts but a lot of errors too.

Disagree. Overall you have not disagreed with the crux of my post, which is, the majority of anti-Semitism stems from the practice of Money Lending, long before the arrival of Christians and Muslims. In fact you have substantiated this point.

Jewish money not only influenced wars, but funded wars too; again this point has not been refuted and is historically verifiable.

Money is the reason why Jews are in positions of power and control. From lending, to funding, to the creation of Central Banks. Money talks.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I could summarize it for you in one sentence, we must hate jews because of their success and influence in the world, and their will to not be prosecuted again. There I did it for you.

In the same vein, let me summarise your summary in one sentence. Jews are all fine people so anti-Semitism was wrong, Muslims on the other hand are troublemakers so Islamphobia is totally understandable and justified.

 

[Adijazz1706]

The world we live in is an absolute tragedy. If one doesn’t believe in the status quo, then one is a conspiracy theorist. The users who use free speech to criticise Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Pakistan, India, UK, USA, you name it – are the same users who find criticism of Israel/Judaism/Jews forbidden or best, taboo. These users tread carefully as if they are walking around egg shells.

The reality is anti-Semitism existed long BEFORE Christianity and Islam existed, and as much as our resident users profess Muslims are the only people who are antisemitic (isn’t this Islamophobic by their twisted logic?) their intellectual dishonesty and ignorance has no place in a free-thinking world.

What was the main cause of anti-Semitism pre 1947? MONEY. What is the main cause of anti-Semitism post 1947? POLITICS. Why is this distinction important? For most people anti-Semitism begins with WW2 fuelled by sympathetic emotions, the reality is, anti-Semitism existed long before.

Let’s begin with Moses and Pharaoh, we all know the story of how Moses saved the Hebrews from the Pharaohs. We also know what took place after with the Golden calf – and with Moses’ last sermon, Judaism was born. Whether you believe in religion or not, this fact doesn’t change, and is relevant as you are about to read.

Moses banished the Jews from modern day Israel, and the Jews walked in the wilderness for 40 years. Moses was/is considered the *Law giver* of Judaism, but with him being absent, the Jews would often insert their own laws outside of the Torah, thus the acceptance of Usury was born within Judaism, because Jew would take their possessions, mostly Gold, and lend to others. This practise later found its way into the Talmud.

Before Jesus arrived on the scene, Jews were lending money and charging high levels of interest. Such practises were rampant. However lending money was not the problem, in fact, high interest was not the problem either, the real problem was when the Jews held the borrowers to ransom by threating to take their possessions if the debt was not paid. This is the birth of anti-Semitism. Ever wonder where the term repossession comes from? You guess right.

Fast forward to when Jesus arrived, a special moment in his life known as the *cleansing of the temple*. Guess who he cleansed? That’s right, the Money Lenders – Jews. Jews were removed from the Herod's Temple, or known today as the Temple mount. THIS was the moment when Jews disregarded Jesus which lead to his crucifixion.

Note up to this point Islam is nowhere in the picture, and what is more important to note is that Jews then migrated towards Europe for two reasons. One, the Roman Empire, the Jews funded the Romans and found passage toward Europe. This is fine, until the penny drops, and one has to ask, well, why on Earth did the Jews not settle in Israel? Whey even after 2000 years, before 1947, Jews were not the major people in Israel? Don’t blame Muslims, they appeared approx. 1300 years after Jesus! The answer? The Jews were banished from Israel and in accordance to the Talmud, a major suffering of Jewish people had to occur before Jews were allowed back in Israel – thus Zionism was born – the political branch of Judaism.

Jews prospered in Europe. Through money lending, repossessions, and ransom. Anti-Semitism was now rife – remember Christianity forbade Usury, as did Islam later – this meant if you wanted to borrow money, you had to approach a Jew. But the story steps up a gear. Mayer Amschel Rothschild – you may have heard of him, well, he thought to himself, why lend to farmers, peasants, common man, when he could lend to Kings and Queens, and Governments. This ladies and gentlemen is the moment nations were susceptible to being held ransom. Think it did not happen? Think again.

The basis for the Rothschild fortune was laid during the later stages of the Napoleonic wars from 1813 to 185. The Rothschild family was instrumental in the financing of the British War effort, handling shipments of bullion to the Duke of Wellington’s army in Portugal and Spain as well as arranging the payment of British financial subsidies to their continental allies. The commissions and interest lead the Rothschilds wealth to grow enormously.

Here’s where it gets interesting. Napoleon was losing the war, but Rothschild thought he could use this as an advantage, how? Simple. He let known in Britain that Napoleon was WINNING the war, and starting selling his positions. Now because Rothschild was well respected, people followed him, which lead to panic selling – what did Rothschild do? He snapped up UK Bonds and Equity at rock bottom prices. This meant that the British OWED money to the Rothschilds, and this in practise means that the Rothschilds could call in their debt if the British did not follow suit [REPOSSESSION].

This gave birth to the Balfour Declaration! The declaration between the British Government and the Zionists, essentially the Rothschilds owned the British, and if the British did not dance to their tune, the Rothschilds would call in their debt and destroy the British. Don’t believe me? Take a look at this picture and tell me who is in power AND the Balfour declaration – which is an OFFICIAL government document.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

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The interesting aspect is the Balfour Declaration was signed in 1917, and by this time World War 1 was coming to an end, but Israel was no where in sight. This is why World War 2 is often referred to (by historians) as the unfinished war – where the motive was not liberation from Germany, but to establish Israel.
Before 1933, Hitler was not evil according to the media! No, it was when Jewish businesses imposed an embargo on Germany is when Hitler really resented the Jews. German people were suffering, and Hitler approached the Zionists and signed – wait for this – the Haavara Agreement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

Now with World War 2 over, Israel created, the truth was coming out. Benjamin H. Freedman, a Jew, yes a Jew, who was in the inner circle of the Zionists, gave a speech in 1961 at the Willard Hotel. Here is the Audio of that speech:

[utube] HhFRGDyX48c[/utube]

He exposed the motive behind the 2 World Wars.

Now after 1947, the reason why Jews were in power was not because they were smart, but because they had money. Money talks. They snapped up the Media and Political circles in the USA. Now you may be wondering why? Well, number one reason, USA by 1947 was a Super power in the making, but most importantly, USA was a Christian nation. Why does this matter? Well remember the part where the Jess killed Jesus? Well the Jews realised that Jesus was a prophet, and thus promised the Christian the RETURN OF THE MESSIAH. This is the reason behind the alliance between the USA and Israel – nothing more – other than religion. The Jews of Israel promises to help the Christians of the USA to return the Messiah to Jerusalem!

Now fast forward to past 1947. To those of you who claims 12 million cannot control the world. Wake up. What matter most to people? Money. How is the public perception controlled and influenced? Through the media? There are 10 major banks in the West, 5 major media companies, all controlled by the Jews. From the CEOs, to the executive board. This is public knowledge given banks are public companies. Even during 9/11, a story which was aired called *5 dancing Israelis* was swiftly removed from major Western news channels. Why?

When was the last time you ever saw an Israeli or Jewish protagonist in a movie or a drama? When was the last time you ever read an anti-Israeli/Jew article in the news? When was the last time you heard view on radio criticising the Jews and Israeli politics? For those of you in the UK, you may have watched Spooks. Fantastic program, but when there was an episode where the Mossad where the protagonists, it received the highest number of complaints! Why? It’ ok to depict Muslims, Christians, Atheists, North Koreans, Russians, and Chinese as evil?

Mel Gibson produced and directed a movie called – The Passion of the Christ – great movie but for him a tragedy, for his version blamed the Jews for the death of Jesus. After this movie his carrier was finished. Jews do not control the media you say? Think again. Look at the top producers, top directors; Steven Spielberg, whom I consider one of the greatest directors, was great in the 80s, and 90s, but went political with movies like Munich and Schindlers list. He event lost out on the best Oscar on best movie when he directed Lincoln, and lost out to Argo – a story where Iran was depicted as the weak.

This is a side show to the reality of what is happening in the Middle East. Post 1947, think of all the wars which USA has engaged in the ME. Which country has benefited the most? Israel. Last stop, destination Iran. Where does the term Firewall stem from? Moses and the fire between the Hebrews and the Pharaohs. Which nation makes the greatest Firewalls? Israel! Juniper, Net screen, Fortinet, the list goes on. DMZ heard of this feature? Where does it come from? Israel! Why is the Mossad considered the best intelligent service in the world? They have backdoors to such firewalls!

Now the Jews control the money, the media, and politics in the USA – A superpower – linked through religious purpose –Trump is a puppet. Recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, Golan heights, and reneging from the Iran nuclear deal only benefits Israel. If a candidate stands any chance of winning, he must 1 – denounce Iran, and 2 – support APIAC.

Many of the readers of course will read the above as mumbo jumbo, but let me explain the power of the Jewish controlled media in the west. For those of you born and raised in the West, you were taught about WW1 & WW2, but if I ask you how many UK, USA, German, Russian, Indian, troops died, you will have to confirm via Google – if I asked you how many Jews died, you would confirm without even flinching. History is written by the winners is it?

Everything I have mention above is verifiable by Historians, Governments, and Politicians. I dare you to defy me! Anti-Semitism has squat to do with scientific contributions or Muslims, but has everything to do with money and the history of the most persecuted people in humanity - for it is money that is power, nothing else.

So if you plebeians think I am anti-Semitic because I cite historical facts, then the joke is on you. History was never bunk and never started post WW2. Save you Kleenex. Not forgetting the fact than Arabs are also defined as Semitic, but the bias media has brainwashed you into thinking otherwise.

So, come back, do your homework, and save the Anti-Semitic accusations - I dare and defy you.

The finest wall of text I've read on this site

 

[KingKhanWC]

Police say anti-Semitic attack at Winnipeg cafe was hoax

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/04/24/police-say-anti-semitic-attack-at-winnipeg-cafe-was-hoax/

With rising antisemitism these Jewish owners tried to take advantage.

 

[Robert]

Who said he made it to Israel? I said Moses banished the Jews from modern day Israel, and the Jews walked in the wilderness for 40 years. Whether lead by Joshua or anyone else doesn’t change my point.

This is incorrect. He never saw Israel. You said he led the Israelites out of Israel. He did not - he led them out of bondage in Egypt. They wandered in the Wilderness looking for the Promised Land but Moses never got them there.

My point was in reference to before Jesus appeared, and more so in my next paragraph, I also mentioned that once the Jews were removed from the Herod's Temple, the Jews disregarded Jesus which lead to his crucifixion. Yes the Jews crucified their Lord, but I explained why Jesus was crucified, it was because Jesus removed the money lenders.

The Sanhedrin had him executed, not the money-changers. He was a threat to the priesthood. The moneychangers could easily set up again down the road a bit.

Your response doesn’t change this fact, but does demonstrate that Christians were anti-Semitic long before Islam was in the picture.

There were no Christians at the time. Jesus was a Jew, as were his followers. Christianity as a religion with a power base did not come along for another three hundred years.

Of course, he upset the local priestly power! He was responsible for destroying the temple! Also doesn’t change the fact that Jesus destroyed the Money Lenders which lead to a rise in resentment, he after all insulted the Jews by destroying what they believed was their God given right. This led to his crucifixion. Remember he was giving sermons long before he entered the Temple on his donkey – he was popular as you say, but it was when he destroyed the money lenders, when he became unpopular in the eyes of the Jews.

He didn't destroy the temple, he kicked the moneylenders out of it and didn't destroy them either. Then the Sanhedrin had him killed because he was popular among the residents of Jerusalem and thereabouts.

It was their faith that had expelled them, why were they walking in wilderness? You have also missed the Christian crusaders who conquered Israel, took part in expelling the Jews too. Yes Caliphate played a role, but much later on. You cannot just blame the Muslims!

I am not blaming anything on anyone, I am correcting your understanding of the history of the Israelites. The Roman Empire extirpated the nation of Israel and detroyed their Temple around 70 CE - it's in Josephus. They ruled the area for the next few hundred years, until the Eastern Roman Empire fell to the Caliphs.

Romans never exiled any nation from anywhere on the eastern seaboard of the Mediterranean. Apart from enslaving prisoners, a small population of Judea continued to live on their lands, even after the destruction of the second temple. Some converted to Christianity in the 4th century, while the majority embraced Islam during the 7th century Arab conquest.

Some Jews might have hung around but the diaspora was scattered by the Roman Empire in 75 CE.

Of course after the Napoleonic wars the Rothschilds became fund managers, they owned the bonds! Debts were not paid off before 1917, Britain was still paying interest, in fact during WW1 and WW2 debts increased!

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Your graph does not cover the 19th century, which was when Victoria's Empire paid off the Rothschilds after the Napoloeonic War. Of course the Empire ended up more in debt after WW1 / Great Depression / WW2, these were ruinous events.

You said it, a 21 year ceasefire! Meaning unfinished business.

No, you said WW2 was the "unfinished war". I said WW1 and WW2 could be described as one war, meaning that WW1 was the unfinished war.

The reality is what was the point of signing the Balfour Declaration towards the end of World War 1? Unless of course there were plans to restart the war!

There were no such plans. WW1 was utterly ruinous for everyone.

You can call it a conspiracy; fact is there was a deal between Nazis and Zionists and it was called the Haavara agreement. Do you deny this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

I deny your interpretation of it - the deal allowed some individual German Jews to keep some of their assets if they fled Germany to British Mandate Palestine. Hitler wanted them gone, but he Final Solution was not an option at the time so he tried relatively peaceful means.

And? Who said otherwise? I said the Jews promised the Christians to help the Messiah return after being held responsible by the Christians for the death of Jesus. How does you statement above change this fact?

There is no fact to change. "The Jews" never promised "the Christians" this.

You said yourself above, Christians blamed the Jews - *Because they crucified my Lord* - and the Jews simply decided to help the Christians as both Jews and Christians come from the same lineage of Abrahamic faith – Isaac. Hence the term Judeo-Christian.

Judeo-Christian refers to Western culture, not some imaginary promise.

The reality remains the alliance between USA and Israel is based on a religious alliance before anything else.

It's more to do with the Bible Belt Christians who believe that the Israelis are God's chosen people. It doesn't make a lot of sense to be honest. Nobody can be elected President without a lot of Christian voters so every POTUS has to support Israel.

These are comedies, and do not include protagonists.

Of course comedies have protagonists and antagonists. There's also Alfie Solomons in Peaky Blinders, though there are not that many Jewish chacters in the movies.

Which News Channel/News Paper/Radio? RT is critical of the IDF, but RT is considered a propaganda site is it not?

RT is basically Putin's mouthpiece. I heard a lot of criticism of Israel's government on BBC regarding the Gaza convoy.

Remember, I asked you above if you remember the last time you saw a Jewish protagonist in a movie, and you cited 2 comedies.

Well, there is a strong tradition of Jewish comics and musicians in both sides of the Atlantic. Not so many movie stories about Jews.

Sorry but you are wrong here. I work in the Telecoms industry and every major firewall must be registered in Israel, or the developed by Israelis. Israel invented the firewall for telecommunications.

https://www.israel21c.org/made-in-israel-the-top-64-innovations-developed-in-israel/

All Microsoft and Apple firewalls have to be "registered" in Israel? What does "registered" mean?

He might not care about those places, but that doesn’t mean he will not do favours for APIAC/Israel in return for finance. Is it a coincidence that Trump has managed to passed 3 executive orders in favour if Israel, when no other US president in history has done so?

Not sure what your point is here. He can only get legislation through by Executive Order as Congress and the courts block him on principle.

Your numbers are pretty close, though 25M Russians died. Notice how you said, off the top of my head. Would you say the same if someone asked you how many Jews died in WW2?

Again I don't see the point of this. The Holocaust is as publicised by the German government as any other entity and rightly so. They want to atone for the horroes their grandfathers perpetrated and make sure it cannot happen again.

Disagree. Overall you have not disagreed with the crux of my post, which is, the majority of anti-Semitism stems from the practice of Money Lending, long before the arrival of Christians and Muslims. In fact you have substantiated this point.

I think antisemitism is just bad old-fashioned racism, like racism against blacks or South Asians.

Jewish money not only influenced wars, but funded wars too; again this point has not been refuted and is historically verifiable.

Money is the reason why Jews are in positions of power and control. From lending, to funding, to the creation of Central Banks. Money talks.

Not as much as WASP money has. Carnegie and Vanderbilt and Rockefeller and so on.

 

[barah_admi]

So many people have missed the point of this thread that it is actually hilarious.

 

[Tubs]

There certainly is a lot of Jew-hatred here. May I remind you that secular Jews exist, and hating them simply because of their Jewish blood is racism. Having a problem with Zionism/Jewish religion is not racism and I think is totally fine (as is having a problem with any religion).

And the whole successful Jew thing, the Jews as a people are very old. The rich stayed rich, and yes they have a lot of influence. Compare them to the rich Muslims, the Saudi royal family, who lavishly spend their money out in the open, kill other Muslims, and execute people who criticise them. They are both dangerous to an extent, the Saudis overtly, and the influence of rich Jewish families is more covert.

 

[QazzarFan]

Nobody outside of Islamic world think Jews are bad. Considering how much they contributed for modern science for their tiny population, they are in fact a gift to mankind.

especially Brit Pakistanis seem to hate them the most even though Palestinians never bothered about Pakistan or care about Pakistani issues

 

[James]

There certainly is a lot of Jew-hatred here. May I remind you that secular Jews exist, and hating them simply because of their Jewish blood is racism. Having a problem with Zionism/Jewish religion is not racism and I think is totally fine (as is having a problem with any religion).

And the whole successful Jew thing, the Jews as a people are very old. The rich stayed rich, and yes they have a lot of influence. Compare them to the rich Muslims, the Saudi royal family, who lavishly spend their money out in the open, kill other Muslims, and execute people who criticise them. They are both dangerous to an extent, the Saudis overtly, and the influence of rich Jewish families is more covert.

The fact that my listing of antisemitic tropes earlier in this thread has largely fallen on deaf ears speaks volumes. I don’t think enough people understand how easy it is to slip into antisemitism when discussing Jews.

Some of the staunchest critics of the State of Israel and Netanyahu are themselves Jews - and this isn’t just in the Jewish diaspora, as many Israeli citizens did not even vote for Netanyahu! - however some of the posts here seem to be blaming all of the world’s Jews for the ongoing actions and policies of the Israeli government, which is totally antisemitic.

 

[warcry]

not jews.
Israel is to blame for the rise in anti-semitism

In fact, it benifits from anti semitism
Rise in anti semitism forced jews to immigrate into israel. And this a process that started since the early twientieth century. Israel needs all the jews, for there to be a jewish state.

There was even collaboration of the zionists and the nazis, rises in anti semitism made jews relocate to palestine in the first place.

 

[Robert]

[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]

Please answer the question in the OP. Why is antisemtism rising in Europe and the US? The media doesn't demonise then as they do Muslims.

The Great Recession of 2008.

When people feel the economic squeeze, they look for someone to blame, some Other, and antisemitism is the oldest form of Othering. See Panic of 1873, see Great Depression of the 1930s which led to the most terrible war of all and the most heinous crime on Europe’s soil.

Unscrupulous politicians such as Trump have seized on Othering as a tactic and exploited it, so we see the emergence of white nationalism / ethnostate thinking.

Fascism is on the march across Europe once again. I have tried to wake PP up to this fact for the last two years. All ethnic minorities are at risk. Stop fighting each other and find common ground against your real enemy!

 

[Robert]

The fact that my listing of antisemitic tropes earlier in this thread has largely fallen on deaf ears speaks volumes. I don’t think enough people understand how easy it is to slip into antisemitism when discussing Jews.

Some of the staunchest critics of the State of Israel and Netanyahu are themselves Jews - and this isn’t just in the Jewish diaspora, as many Israeli citizens did not even vote for Netanyahu! - however some of the posts here seem to be blaming all of the world’s Jews for the ongoing actions and policies of the Israeli government, which is totally antisemitic.

Your post was the smartest and most humane on this thread [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION].

 

[James]

Your post was the smartest and most humane on this thread [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION].

Thank you old friend. Unfortunately a rather different contribution is the one that’s getting all of the Post of the Week nominations.

 

[msaaim89]

A couple of really well articulated post by [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION]

POTW easily.

 

[Adijazz1706]

The Great Recession of 2008.

When people feel the economic squeeze, they look for someone to blame, some Other, and antisemitism is the oldest form of Othering. See Panic of 1873, see Great Depression of the 1930s which led to the most terrible war of all and the most heinous crime on Europe’s soil.

Unscrupulous politicians such as Trump have seized on Othering as a tactic and exploited it, so we see the emergence of white nationalism / ethnostate thinking.

Fascism is on the march across Europe once again. I have tried to wake PP up to this fact for the last two years. All ethnic minorities are at risk. Stop fighting each other and find common ground against your real enemy!

The most heinous crime on European soil last century remains the Holdomor with 10 million casualties, masterminded by a Jew in Kaganovich

 

[Robert]

Thank you old friend. Unfortunately a rather different contribution is the one that’s getting all of the Post of the Week nominations.

We might not agree on every point, but you always give me pause for thought about my beliefs. While I am the elder, I often think you have the wiser head.

Yes, I am quite shocked by all these POTW nominations.

 

[Robert]

The most heinous crime on European soil last century remains the Holdomor with 10 million casualties, masterminded by a Jew in Kaganovich

That wasn't in Europe - it was a famine in Ukraine (part of USSR) caused by a collapse in agricultural production due to Soviet collectivisation policies. Gradual reduction in food rations, removal of freedom of movement and news blackout appears to have been a deliberate policy by the Soviets to eliminate the Ukrainian peasant class, and the Terror-Famine has been recognised as a genocide by the UN and EU.

Your comment about the race of the alleged "mastermind" is irrelevant to the story and therefore antisemitic.

 

[Adijazz1706]

That wasn't in Europe - it was a famine in Ukraine (part of USSR) caused by a collapse in agricultural production due to Soviet collectivisation policies. Gradual reduction in food rations, removal of freedom of movement and news blackout appears to have been a deliberate policy by the Soviets to eliminate the Ukrainian peasant class, and the Terror-Famine has been recognised as a genocide by the UN and EU.

Your comment about the race of the alleged "mastermind" is irrelevant to the story and therefore antisemitic.

A lot of the Bolsheviks in senior positions were Jewish (Sverdlov, Sokolnikov, Zinoviev, Kaganovich, Radek, Kamenev and even Trotsky were Jewish) Even Churchill warned of the malice of what he called 'international jews' primarily naming the Bolshevik Jews for their control over Communist Russia. He even hints at their role in the French revolution as an indicator of their malevolent nature.

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism_versus_Bolshevism

 

[Technics 1210]

This is incorrect. He never saw Israel. You said he led the Israelites out of Israel. He did not - he led them out of bondage in Egypt. They wandered in the Wilderness looking for the Promised Land but Moses never got them there.

I said *modern* day Israel. No where did I claim Israel existed at the time.

The Sanhedrin had him executed, not the money-changers. He was a threat to the priesthood. The moneychangers could easily set up again down the road a bit.

Who said the Money changers executed Jesus? They wanted him out for sure.

There were no Christians at the time. Jesus was a Jew, as were his followers. Christianity as a religion with a power base did not come along for another three hundred years.

Yes I know, the point was that Money lenders resented Jesus. You also said, “ask antisemitic Christians why they are antisemitic and they will say "Because they crucified my Lord"”

My point was that Antisemitism existed long before Islam appeared.

He didn't destroy the temple, he kicked the moneylenders out of it and didn't destroy them either. Then the Sanhedrin had him killed because he was popular among the residents of Jerusalem and thereabouts.

It depends which version you accept, the fact remains, after the cleansing of the money lenders, the money lenders resented Jesus.

I am not blaming anything on anyone, I am correcting your understanding of the history of the Israelites. The Roman Empire extirpated the nation of Israel and detroyed their Temple around 70 CE - it's in Josephus. They ruled the area for the next few hundred years, until the Eastern Roman Empire fell to the Caliphs.

I was correcting you because you excluded the crusaders in your history, and jumped straight to the Caliphate. However, your point doesn’t change the fact Jews migrated to Europe and were exiled from Israel because of their faith.

Your graph does not cover the 19th century, which was when Victoria's Empire paid off the Rothschilds after the Napoloeonic War. Of course the Empire ended up more in debt after WW1 / Great Depression / WW2, these were ruinous events.

You mentioned Britain’s paid off it’s debt well before 1917. What reference does 1917 have? I just posted a graph showing Britain was still paying off it’s debt well before 1917.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_British_national_debt

Here’s a graph showing debt levels since 1692. The graph clearly shows that the debt was never paid off.

https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt_analysis

No, you said WW2 was the "unfinished war". I said WW1 and WW2 could be described as one war, meaning that WW1 was the unfinished war.

If WW1 and WW2 could be described as one war, then clearly WW1 was the first part, followed by a ceasefire, then the final part, with WW2. Tell me why WW2 cannot be considered the unfinished war, yet both WWs seen seen as one war?

There were no such plans. WW1 was utterly ruinous for everyone.

Are you denying there ever was a Balfour declaration? There was a plan alright. You are right that WW1 was utterly ruinous, but not for everyone, except for the few in power whose objective was Israel (Zionists). Their propaganda was exposed in WW1. It is not surprising given powerful Jewish families have been known to fund and influence wars (before WW) then.

I deny your interpretation of it - the deal allowed some individual German Jews to keep some of their assets if they fled Germany to British Mandate Palestine. Hitler wanted them gone, but he Final Solution was not an option at the time so he tried relatively peaceful means.

Despite my interpretation of it, the point was that the agreement did exist, and what you should be asking is why, the Zionists established an agreement with Hitler while Hitler was depicted as pure evil in the media (outside of Germany) at the time!? You say to allow some Jews to keep their assets? You should be asking why the deal did not cover all Jews in Germany and why Zionists were playing a double game.

There is no fact to change. "The Jews" never promised "the Christians" this.
Judeo-Christian refers to Western culture, not some imaginary promise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

I don’t understand why you are not willing to accept this point of a promise. Like you say above, Judeo-Christian is a Western culture, where does this stem from? The promise, which lead to unity, aka, Judeo-Christian.

It's more to do with the Bible Belt Christians who believe that the Israelis are God's chosen people. It doesn't make a lot of sense to be honest. Nobody can be elected President without a lot of Christian voters so every POTUS has to support Israel.

You are right, it does not make sense in the absence of unity based on a promise. Also doesn’t make sense given many Christians blame Jews for the death of their Christ (your words above too). The Bible Belt only support Israel because the Jews promised to help the Christians return the Messiah to fulfil a prophecy.
By the way, the Bible Belt vote is worth more with issues like Abortion.

RT is basically Putin's mouthpiece. I heard a lot of criticism of Israel's government on BBC regarding the Gaza convoy.

So if RT report on the IDF and their wrong doing, RT cannot be trusted, but if BBC report on the same news, it's trustworthy?

You heard on the BBC, just on the BBC? No other media channels? BBC of course is a state owned channel and not a company with shareholders.

You do know that Israel has in the past asked BBC to change it’s headlines in reference to Israel and the IDF?

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/250275

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/bbc-changes-gaza-israel-headline-after-communal-anger-1.468139

Just goes to prove how powerful and influential Jews are in the Media.

All Microsoft and Apple firewalls have to be "registered" in Israel? What does "registered" mean?

It means the Public IP of the firewall is sent to the relevant Israeli company, then a firewall license is issued, which has the embedded IP. This is known as registering.

Not sure what your point is here. He can only get legislation through by Executive Order as Congress and the courts block him on principle.

The point is he is dancing to the Zionist/AIPAC tune. Do you not see it? Why did previous Presidents not do the same? Why did previous Presidents VETO the recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel?

Answer is Trump is heavily involved with the Jews via his family and businesses. He receives financial favours in return.

EOs are the fast route, legislation as you say has to go through a voting process. Have you seen how many Jews and supporters of Zionists are in the house of representative? Legislation which supports Israel, such as War in the ME, or aid, is past through very swiftly, yet other matters are never ending.

I posted a video earlier on, on an ex CIA agent, who is questioned by Congress, and he firmly blames Israel on the failure of American Foreign policy. Look at the reaction from Congress members who pretty much accused him of anti-semitisim.

Again I don't see the point of this. The Holocaust is as publicised by the German government as any other entity and rightly so. They want to atone for the horroes their grandfathers perpetrated and make sure it cannot happen again.

The point is simple. We in the West are taught more about the suffering of Jews in WW2 then any other aspect of the War. This is the power of the media. A constant message, hammered down, in many forms.

I think antisemitism is just bad old-fashioned racism, like racism against blacks or South Asians.

The point is not what defines anti-Semitism per se, the point is why when people point out facts on Israel, Judaism, and Jews considered anti-Semitic? By this logic every one criticising Islam and Muslims is an Islamophobe, and racist - which is just ridiculous.

Not as much as WASP money has. Carnegie and Vanderbilt and Rockefeller and so on.

WASP wealth is mostly derived from businesses including Steel and Oil.
Jewish families on the other hand, Rothschilds, Wahlbergs, etc, wealth is mostly derived from central banking system, IMF clearing systems, banks, and the media.


We can argue over the religious events and accuracy, but again, you are not refuting my main point which is that Antisemitism is not an Islamic trait as many believe, and is mainly the result of Jewish money lending. I pointed out how and why Money lending was practiced within Jews and how their wealth grew to the point they were funding and influencing Governments and Royalty for their own purpose. This cannot be denied.

I go back to my first statement - we live in a world where we are free to ciritise every ideology, and people, under the guise of freedom of speech, but are accused of anti-semitisim/racism when we criticise/highlight on Judaism, Israel, Jews, and Zionism. Why?

Voltaire said "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

 

[Technics 1210]

The Great Recession of 2008.

When people feel the economic squeeze, they look for someone to blame, some Other, and antisemitism is the oldest form of Othering. See Panic of 1873, see Great Depression of the 1930s which led to the most terrible war of all and the most heinous crime on Europe’s soil.

Unscrupulous politicians such as Trump have seized on Othering as a tactic and exploited it, so we see the emergence of white nationalism / ethnostate thinking.

Fascism is on the march across Europe once again. I have tried to wake PP up to this fact for the last two years. All ethnic minorities are at risk. Stop fighting each other and find common ground against your real enemy!

The Jewish bankers benefited the most from the crashes, people saw this, and rightly made an issue of it. Who went to jail for the 2008 crash? Selling subprime mortgages securities as AAA is and has been defined as fraud. Who went to Jail?

1930s is the same. JP Morgan, another Jewish banker (who later converted to Christianity) profited from the crash of 1929.

 

[Technics 1210]

Claim Jews were/are Money Lenders and influenced/funded wars, control Banks and Media in the West, is anti-semetic and racist.

Claim most of the terrorism of late can be linked to Islam is an exercise of free speech and thinking.

Unbelievable.

The very fact that we cannot criticise Jews without being accused of anti-semitisim, fuels antisemitisim itself! No one has explained why pointing out Jewish facts is antisemitic/racist, they just say it is because they have been brainwashed into believing so. No logic what so ever.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes, I am quite shocked by all these POTW nominations.

Why are you shocked? I just posted a high level of the history of Jews and the effects of money lending, in an attempt to explain how anti-antisemitism was born, why it was and still is rife, and that anti-semitisim is not a Muslim trait - and you find it shocking?

What is shocking is that most people have very little understanding of Jewish history, and as far as they are concerned, the history of the Jews begins in 1947.

 

[Adijazz1706]

I said *modern* day Israel. No where did I claim Israel existed at the time.




Who said the Money changers executed Jesus? They wanted him out for sure.





Yes I know, the point was that Money lenders resented Jesus. You also said, “ask antisemitic Christians why they are antisemitic and they will say "Because they crucified my Lord"”

My point was that Antisemitism existed long before Islam appeared.




It depends which version you accept, the fact remains, after the cleansing of the money lenders, the money lenders resented Jesus.






I was correcting you because you excluded the crusaders in your history, and jumped straight to the Caliphate. However, your point doesn’t change the fact Jews migrated to Europe and were exiled from Israel because of their faith.




You mentioned Britain’s paid off it’s debt well before 1917. What reference does 1917 have? I just posted a graph showing Britain was still paying off it’s debt well before 1917.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_British_national_debt

Here’s a graph showing debt levels since 1692. The graph clearly shows that the debt was never paid off.

https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt_analysis

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If WW1 and WW2 could be described as one war, then clearly WW1 was the first part, followed by a ceasefire, then the final part, with WW2. Tell me why WW2 cannot be considered the unfinished war, yet both WWs seen seen as one war?





Are you denying there ever was a Balfour declaration? There was a plan alright. You are right that WW1 was utterly ruinous, but not for everyone, except for the few in power whose objective was Israel (Zionists). Their propaganda was exposed in WW1. It is not surprising given powerful Jewish families have been known to fund and influence wars (before WW) then.





Despite my interpretation of it, the point was that the agreement did exist, and what you should be asking is why, the Zionists established an agreement with Hitler while Hitler was depicted as pure evil in the media (outside of Germany) at the time!? You say to allow some Jews to keep their assets? You should be asking why the deal did not cover all Jews in Germany and why Zionists were playing a double game.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

I don’t understand why you are not willing to accept this point of a promise. Like you say above, Judeo-Christian is a Western culture, where does this stem from? The promise, which lead to unity, aka, Judeo-Christian.




You are right, it does not make sense in the absence of unity based on a promise. Also doesn’t make sense given many Christians blame Jews for the death of their Christ (your words above too). The Bible Belt only support Israel because the Jews promised to help the Christians return the Messiah to fulfil a prophecy.
By the way, the Bible Belt vote is worth more with issues like Abortion.




So if RT report on the IDF and their wrong doing, RT cannot be trusted, but if BBC report on the same news, it's trustworthy?

You heard on the BBC, just on the BBC? No other media channels? BBC of course is a state owned channel and not a company with shareholders.

You do know that Israel has in the past asked BBC to change it’s headlines in reference to Israel and the IDF?

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/250275

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/bbc-changes-gaza-israel-headline-after-communal-anger-1.468139

Just goes to prove how powerful and influential Jews are in the Media.




It means the Public IP of the firewall is sent to the relevant Israeli company, then a firewall license is issued, which has the embedded IP. This is known as registering.





The point is he is dancing to the Zionist/AIPAC tune. Do you not see it? Why did previous Presidents not do the same? Why did previous Presidents VETO the recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel?

Answer is Trump is heavily involved with the Jews via his family and businesses. He receives financial favours in return.

EOs are the fast route, legislation as you say has to go through a voting process. Have you seen how many Jews and supporters of Zionists are in the house of representative? Legislation which supports Israel, such as War in the ME, or aid, is past through very swiftly, yet other matters are never ending.

I posted a video earlier on, on an ex CIA agent, who is questioned by Congress, and he firmly blames Israel on the failure of American Foreign policy. Look at the reaction from Congress members who pretty much accused him of anti-semitisim.




The point is simple. We in the West are taught more about the suffering of Jews in WW2 then any other aspect of the War. This is the power of the media. A constant message, hammered down, in many forms.




The point is not what defines anti-Semitism per se, the point is why when people point out facts on Israel, Judaism, and Jews considered anti-Semitic? By this logic every one criticising Islam and Muslims is an Islamophobe, and racist - which is just ridiculous.




WASP wealth is mostly derived from businesses including Steel and Oil.
Jewish families on the other hand, Rothschilds, Wahlbergs, etc, wealth is mostly derived from central banking system, IMF clearing systems, banks, and the media.


We can argue over the religious events and accuracy, but again, you are not refuting my main point which is that Antisemitism is not an Islamic trait as many believe, and is mainly the result of Jewish money lending. I pointed out how and why Money lending was practiced within Jews and how their wealth grew to the point they were funding and influencing Governments and Royalty for their own purpose. This cannot be denied.

I go back to my first statement - we live in a world where we are free to ciritise every ideology, and people, under the guise of freedom of speech, but are accused of anti-semitisim/racism when we criticise/highlight on Judaism, Israel, Jews, and Zionism. Why?

Voltaire said "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

That's not a quote by Voltaire, it's much more modern. Doesn't take away the fact that it's valid anyway. The point worth noting is that most people don't have any claims of exact knowledge about any WW2 casualties other than 'Ehrenberg's number' of 6M (which he used even before the war had ended)

 

[Technics 1210]

That's not a quote by Voltaire, it's much more modern. Doesn't take away the fact that it's valid anyway. The point worth noting is that most people don't have any claims of exact knowledge about any WW2 casualties other than 'Ehrenberg's number' of 6M (which he used even before the war had ended)

Thanks for the correction on Voltaire.

6M figure was mentioned in leading newspapers even during WW1, before the War ended.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

especially Brit Pakistanis seem to hate them the most even though Palestinians never bothered about Pakistan or care about Pakistani issues

What a disgusting comment. So now being even mildly critical of Israel's racist policies is translated as hating Jews? You may have your reasons to hate Brit Pakistanis, but would be better if you can at least produce a quote to make your case.

 

[Robert]

I was correcting you because you excluded the crusaders in your history, and jumped straight to the Caliphate. However, your point doesn’t change the fact Jews migrated to Europe and were exiled from Israel because of their faith.

They were dispersed by the Romans because they kept rebelling, not because of their faith. Roman citizens could be any faith, they just had to toe the line of Rome.

I didn't jump to the Caliphate of Saladdin's time (not that he called himself Caliph). I got as far as the Rashidun Caliphate which took over Palestine from the Eastern Roman Empire. The Crusades came 400 years after that.

You mentioned Britain’s paid off it’s debt well before 1917. What reference does 1917 have?

You implied that the British Empire was in the pocket of Jewish financiers, hence pressure to sign the Balfour Declaration. I said the debt was paid off in the latter half of the nineteenth century. As you can see from your own graph, the Napoleonic War debt was paid down to very little in the turn of the 20th century.

If WW1 and WW2 could be described as one war, then clearly WW1 was the first part, followed by a ceasefire, then the final part, with WW2. Tell me why WW2 cannot be considered the unfinished war, yet both WWs seen seen as one war?

Because WW2 was finished in 1945. The Axis were smashed and peaceful ever since. WW1 can be thought of as unfinished because the terms of the Treaty of Versailles set up the preconditions for WW2.

Despite my interpretation of it, the point was that the agreement did exist, and what you should be asking is why, the Zionists established an agreement with Hitler while Hitler was depicted as pure evil in the media (outside of Germany) at the time!? You say to allow some Jews to keep their assets? You should be asking why the deal did not cover all Jews in Germany and why Zionists were playing a double game.

When you says "the Zionists" you imply that they were some sort of unified power bloc, when in fact there were some individual Jewish families who wanted to get out of Germany and move to Palestine. The "why" is simply their survival away from a nation that was becoming very bad for them.

I don’t understand why you are not willing to accept this point of a promise.

Because there was never any such promise - I was a Churchgoing Christian for twenty years, so I would have heard it if there were.

'Judao-Christian' refers to the source code of Western culture - the Old Testament of the Bible contains the Torah, with the Jesus stories in the New Testament. 'Judao-Christian' doesn't refer to some sort of religious alliance. Christians believe in Adam and Noah as well as St John.

So if RT report on the IDF and their wrong doing, RT cannot be trusted, but if BBC report on the same news, it's trustworthy?

RT advances the narrative of Russia's allies in the region. RT is Kremlin propaganda - 200 Russian journalists have dispapeared since Putin took power and the rest fell into line out of fear. The BBC is vulnerable to political pressure from HM Gov but HM Gov does not disappear journalists, so I consider the BBC somewhat more reliable.

Though I feel that BBC = Brexit Broadcasting Corporation these days so usually watch Channel 4 news instead these days.

The point is he is dancing to the Zionist/AIPAC tune. Do you not see it? Why did previous Presidents not do the same? Why did previous Presidents VETO the recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel?

Answer is Trump is heavily involved with the Jews via his family and businesses. He receives financial favours in return.

There you go again, treating "the Jews" as one unit instead of individuals. I am sure Trump has dealings with individual financiers who are Jewish. Just as he does with other WASPs and Russian oligarchs who are not Jewish. He moved the Embassy as a sop to his voter base - consider than no other POTUS ever did that as it would destabilise the region even more. If this power bloc you call "the Jews" were so all-powerful, the Embassy would have moved decades earlier.

The point is simple. We in the West are taught more about the suffering of Jews in WW2 then any other aspect of the War. This is the power of the media. A constant message, hammered down, in many forms.

I'd say your average Briton knows more about the Great Escape, Douglas Bader's tin legs and Barnes Wallis's bouncing bomb than about the Holocaust. I read a report that other day that half of millenial Americans do not even know what it was! So much for this constant hammering.

The point is not what defines anti-Semitism per se, the point is why when people point out facts on Israel, Judaism, and Jews considered anti-Semitic? By this logic every one criticising Islam and Muslims is an Islamophobe, and racist - which is just ridiculous.

Aggregating all Jews into one supposed power bloc is antisemitic.

Just as blaming all Muslims for 9/11 is Islamophobic.

Criticise that actions of individual Jews and the Israeli government's actions by all means. I would avoid the term "Zionist" altogether - it means different things to different people and you will be misunderstood.

We can argue over the religious events and accuracy, but again, you are not refuting my main point which is that Antisemitism is not an Islamic trait as many believe, and is mainly the result of Jewish money lending. I pointed out how and why Money lending was practiced within Jews and how their wealth grew to the point they were funding and influencing Governments and Royalty for their own purpose. This cannot be denied.

I deny it. Antisemitism is just old-fashioned racism, nothing more. Racists try to rationalise their racism by making it about money and think up conspiracy theories. So we get the Blood Libel, Holocaust Denial, alleged white genocide by creeping "Islamicisation" and so on.

 

[Robert]

Why are you shocked? I just posted a high level of the history of Jews and the effects of money lending, in an attempt to explain how anti-antisemitism was born, why it was and still is rife, and that anti-semitisim is not a Muslim trait - and you find it shocking?

I am shocked that people are praising it in toto - clearly because it fulfils their racial prejudices - rather than attempt a critique of it to break down the inaccuracies and false equivalences as [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] and I have.

 

[Technics 1210]

You implied that the British Empire was in the pocket of Jewish financiers, hence pressure to sign the Balfour Declaration. I said the debt was paid off in the latter half of the nineteenth century. As you can see from your own graph, the Napoleonic War debt was paid down to very little in the turn of the 20th century.

Which they were, but your claim that Britain paid of its debt long before 1917 is proven to be false; Britain was always in debt.

When you says "the Zionists" you imply that they were some sort of unified power bloc, when in fact there were some individual Jewish families who wanted to get out of Germany and move to Palestine. The "why" is simply their survival away from a nation that was becoming very bad for them.

You didn’t answer the question. Why was the agreement not for all Jews and just the Zionists? Why were Zionists playing the double game? Sounds like a powerful bloc to me!

And yes, Zionists were influential, and unified, powerful political group, and still are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Zionism

Because there was never any such promise - I was a Churchgoing Christian for twenty years, so I would have heard it if there were.

You didn’t read the link I cited, there was a promise.

Just because you didn’t hear it at church doesn’t mean it is not true.

RT advances the narrative of Russia's allies in the region. RT is Kremlin propaganda - 200 Russian journalists have dispapeared since Putin took power and the rest fell into line out of fear. The BBC is vulnerable to political pressure from HM Gov but HM Gov does not disappear journalists, so I consider the BBC somewhat more reliable.

Though I feel that BBC = Brexit Broadcasting Corporation these days so usually watch Channel 4 news instead these days.

Why does this all matter when Israel forces news agencies to change their headlines? This was the point wasn't it? The control of the media.

What do you have to say about BBC being forced to change their headlines by the Israelis in reference to the actions of the IDF?

There you go again, treating "the Jews" as one unit instead of individuals. I am sure Trump has dealings with individual financiers who are Jewish. Just as he does with other WASPs and Russian oligarchs who are not Jewish. He moved the Embassy as a sop to his voter base - consider than no other POTUS ever did that as it would destabilise the region even more. If this power bloc you call "the Jews" were so all-powerful, the Embassy would have moved decades earlier.

I will say the Jews, in the same way people say The Muslims and The Christians, and The Atheists. Why do you have a problem with the former but not the latter?

Most Russian Oligarchs are Jewish!

Don't you get it? The Zionists have been pushing America to move the embassy for many decades! Past Presidents vetoed because they new of the political mess it would create, and remember, still got voted in the second terms! The pressure from the AIPAC however was still there!

I'd say your average Briton knows more about the Great Escape, Douglas Bader's tin legs and Barnes Wallis's bouncing bomb than about the Holocaust. I read a report that other day that half of millenial Americans do not even know what it was! So much for this constant hammering.

From movies! Yes. From books? No.

Americans are taught more about their history, than others.

When was the last time the Balfour declaration and the Haavara agreement taught in British schools?

Aggregating all Jews into one supposed power bloc is antisemitic.

Where did I aggregate all Jews? If you read my comments I mentioned clearly that Unorthodox Jews are not to blame for anti-semtisim.

Criticise that actions of individual Jews and the Israeli government's actions by all means. I would avoid the term "Zionist" altogether - it means different things to different people and you will be misunderstood.

Oh but I did criticise the actions of certain Jews, and I am being labelled an anti-Semitic for doing so. As for reference to religion, this cannot be criticised individually but as a whole.

I deny it. Antisemitism is just old-fashioned racism, nothing more. Racists try to rationalise their racism by making it about money and think up conspiracy theories. So we get the Blood Libel, Holocaust Denial, alleged white genocide by creeping "Islamicisation" and so on.

Of course you deny it, despite all the evidence and facts of how Jewish money lenders funded wars, influenced wars, created the banking system etc, control the media, you will still deny it because not only do the facts go against the status quo, but you believe any challenge to the status quo is a conspiracy theory.

I don’t need to know what anti-Semitism is, I have asked repeatedly in this thread why pointing out historical facts in relation to Judaism, Jews, Zionism, and Israel is deemed anti-semetic?

 

[Technics 1210]

I am shocked that people are praising it in toto - clearly because it fulfils their racial prejudices - rather than attempt a critique of it to break down the inaccuracies and false equivalences as [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] and I have.

But you have not broken down anything. You have not refuted the fact that the practice of money lending gave birth to anti-semitism, you have not refuted the fact that anti-Semitism is not an Islamic trait. You have not refuted the fact that the wars in the ME benefit Israel. You have not refuted the fact they funded wars, influenced wars, created banks, controlled the media, and politics in the West.

All you and James have done is post a list of things we cannot say, and shouldn't say, because they are anti-semetic - this sort of behaviour is what fuels anti-Semitic further. What you should be doing is explaining why that list is anti-semetic given the evidence and facts. Why is questioning the narrative of the Zionists and Judaism anti-semetic?

 

[Technics 1210]

One point I have noticed. It is ok to generalise when in positive light. If one says The Jews are smart, dedicated, innovative, etc – this is OK! However, if one generalises in negative light, it’s anti-Semitic!

It's ok to say the Jews are a gift to the world, but not ok to say the Jews funded and influenced wars despite the evidence.

Double standards galore!

 

[Ronaldo7]

Another shooting in a Synagogue today. According to initial reports one person has been killed.

 

[Technics 1210]

Bernie Sanders calls the Israeli government ‘racist’ on live TV – to rapturous applause

Bernie Sanders has criticised Israel’s treatment of Palestinian people during a live town hall event. The 2020 presidential hopeful also described Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government as “racist”.

If Sanders becomes president, he would be the first Jewish person to hold the office.

https://youtu.be/d12EEjee7w0



https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2...ment-racist-on-live-tv-to-rapturous-applause/

 

[Ronaldo7]

Bernie Sanders calls the Israeli government ‘racist’ on live TV – to rapturous applause

Bernie Sanders has criticised Israel’s treatment of Palestinian people during a live town hall event. The 2020 presidential hopeful also described Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government as “racist”.

If Sanders becomes president, he would be the first Jewish person to hold the office.

https://youtu.be/d12EEjee7w0

View attachment 90836

https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2...ment-racist-on-live-tv-to-rapturous-applause/

Bernie's a jew? Should have known.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Bernie Sanders calls the Israeli government ‘racist’ on live TV – to rapturous applause

Bernie Sanders has criticised Israel’s treatment of Palestinian people during a live town hall event. The 2020 presidential hopeful also described Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government as “racist”.

If Sanders becomes president, he would be the first Jewish person to hold the office.

https://youtu.be/d12EEjee7w0

View attachment 90836

https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2...ment-racist-on-live-tv-to-rapturous-applause/

They're just going to label him as the 'wrong type of jew'.

 

[Robert]

But you have not broken down anything. You have not refuted the fact that the practice of money lending gave birth to anti-semitism, you have not refuted the fact that anti-Semitism is not an Islamic trait. You have not refuted the fact that the wars in the ME benefit Israel. You have not refuted the fact they funded wars, influenced wars, created banks, controlled the media, and politics in the West.

I refuted them all, but you are not moved so I will post no more on this subject.

 

[Technics 1210]

I refuted them all, but you are not moved so I will post no more on this subject.

Ok dear friend.

 

[mustang]

Are jewish people immigrating to a country and making life for local people a living hell as shown in this video? -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2nlIfn8tNA

If they do, then I consider anti-semitism or anti-ANYTHINGism to be justified. Any community that is trying to force others to bend to their will need to be fought back. Barring this, movements against any community is not justified.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The Great Recession of 2008.

When people feel the economic squeeze, they look for someone to blame, some Other, and antisemitism is the oldest form of Othering. See Panic of 1873, see Great Depression of the 1930s which led to the most terrible war of all and the most heinous crime on Europe’s soil.

Unscrupulous politicians such as Trump have seized on Othering as a tactic and exploited it, so we see the emergence of white nationalism / ethnostate thinking.

Fascism is on the march across Europe once again. I have tried to wake PP up to this fact for the last two years. All ethnic minorities are at risk. Stop fighting each other and find common ground against your real enemy!

Ive never heard it called the great recession. I lived through it fine and so did everyone else I know, we were hardly standing in que for free bread.

I have mentioned employment levels are amongst the lowest they have been in recent years but antisemitism is still rising. I think you are just wrong as this being the reason.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Are you 12? lol

Clearly you are against the post. Please refute it in detail....if you can but I know you can't.

His post seems to be straight out of a 10 page Islamic booklet written by a self proclaimed scholar/researcher. The guy literally claimed that Mel Gibson's career ended after Passion of the Christ when I, myself have watched Daddy's Home 2 featuring Gibson last Christmas. The entire post screams just one thing that we must hate Jews because they have been successful and able to control the world.

 

[The_Odd_One]

In the same vein, let me summarise your summary in one sentence. Jews are all fine people so anti-Semitism was wrong, Muslims on the other hand are troublemakers so Islamphobia is totally understandable and justified.

Could not have said it better myself. Jews do not go into Sri Lanka and kill 200+ people. Jews do not want to kill anyone just because they insulted Moses. Anti-semitism is completely based on inferiority complex.

 

[KingKhanWC]

His post seems to be straight out of a 10 page Islamic booklet written by a self proclaimed scholar/researcher. The guy literally claimed that Mel Gibson's career ended after Passion of the Christ when I, myself have watched Daddy's Home 2 featuring Gibson last Christmas. The entire post screams just one thing that we must hate Jews because they have been successful and able to control the world.

You watched films, great! lol

Stating historical facts doesn't mean they should be hated.

Could not have said it better myself. Jews do not go into Sri Lanka and kill 200+ people. Jews do not want to kill anyone just because they insulted Moses. Anti-semitism is completely based on inferiority complex.

No only 50% of the worlds Jews live in a nation which oppresses people and steals their home, gardens and lands. If 50% of the world Muslims, 1 billion did this , you'd be crying all day long but it's not religion your issue but Islam , thus your biased mind is easy to see.

 

[The_Odd_One]

You watched films, great! lol

Stating historical facts doesn't mean they should be hated.



No only 50% of the worlds Jews live in a nation which oppresses people and steals their home, gardens and lands. If 50% of the world Muslims, 1 billion did this , you'd be crying all day long but it's not religion your issue but Islam , thus your biased mind is easy to see.

Then, what other reason he has given in his post?

The difference between Jews and Muslims is that Jews have a conflict in their home only. They do not poke their nose in the matters of other countries. You give them their land and their issue will be resolved. You give Palestinian their land, Muslims will still make trouble somewhere else.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Then, what other reason he has given in his post?

The difference between Jews and Muslims is that Jews have a conflict in their home only. They do not poke their nose in the matters of other countries. You give them their land and their issue will be resolved. You give Palestinian their land, Muslims will still make trouble somewhere else.

Their home? They are occuyping land illegaly. They also have poked thier nose in many nations including Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, UAE, Pakistan and many others. Do you even read the news or history?

 

[Technics 1210]

The fact that agreeing with Judaism/Jewish historical facts is conflated as hatred by some, reveals the extent of how misapplied and ignorant the accusation of anti-semitism is.

 

[Technics 1210]

Their home? They are occuyping land illegaly. They also have poked thier nose in many nations including Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, UAE, Pakistan and many others. Do you even read the news or history?

This comment alone is considered anti-Semitic (wrongly so).

Nobody realises the the bigger picture. We've been fed stories that Israelis are victims of Palestinians, but the reality is so further from the fake news!

 

[The_Odd_One]

Their home? They are occuyping land illegaly. They also have poked thier nose in many nations including Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, UAE, Pakistan and many others. Do you even read the news or history?

I do and I do not hear Jews killing people in any other country or trying to make everyone Jew.

Jews should be allowed to live peacefully in their home without Palestinians making any trouble. Israel has a strong democracy and is a leader in science and technology. A strong Israel is nothing but good for the world.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I do and I do not hear Jews killing people in any other country or trying to make everyone Jew.

Jews should be allowed to live peacefully in their home without Palestinians making any trouble. Israel has a strong democracy and is a leader in science and technology. A strong Israel is nothing but good for the world.

No you dont. I've just given you 6 nations where Jews have killed or attempted to kill but you are still in denial.

Lets take one nation at a time, have Jews not killed anyone in the UAE? A nation which isn't even an enemy.

What is the Jewish home, define their borders?

 

[KingKhanWC]

This comment alone is considered anti-Semitic (wrongly so).

Nobody realises the the bigger picture. We've been fed stories that Israelis are victims of Palestinians, but the reality is so further from the fake news!

A lot of people are brainwashed by Zionist propaganda. Some esp western europeans seem to forget it was their kind who butchered more Jews than anyone else and now act like defenders of Jews and look to call others out for attacking Jews.

What people have failed to realise in this thread is Zionism is behind much of the propaganda against Muslims due to their wishes of how the world should be. What this has also done is increased anti-semistism as the thick will start to hate all that seem/look different. But Zionist dont care as long as their 'nation' is defended and they can continue their killings and theft of land.

 

[The_Odd_One]

No you dont. I've just given you 6 nations where Jews have killed or attempted to kill but you are still in denial.

Lets take one nation at a time, have Jews not killed anyone in the UAE? A nation which isn't even an enemy.

What is the Jewish home, define their borders?

Israel has only retaliated to anyone who threatened them. You do not hear Israel killing people in a completely irrelevant country like Sri Lanka.

Before asking me to define Israel's borders, can you define Pakistan's border? Israel is the only Jewish state in the entire world. Other religions have several states. Jews have been consistently persecuted historically in other countries. They survived a massive genocide. Let them live in their land peacefully.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Israel has only retaliated to anyone who threatened them. You do not hear Israel killing people in a completely irrelevant country like Sri Lanka.

Before asking me to define Israel's borders, can you define Pakistan's border? Israel is the only Jewish state in the entire world. Other religions have several states. Jews have been consistently persecuted historically in other countries. They survived a massive genocide. Let them live in their land peacefully.

Are you saying it ok to illegaly assasinate or kill people in another country because you find them a threat? Please confirm.

lol Pakistan borders are as seen on ever map and accepted by Pakistanis and their government. Kashmir is disupted land and doesn't belong to Pakistan.

Now what are the borders of Israel? If was hit by person A and decided to take your land and beat you up, Im sure you wont be so understanding.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Are you saying it ok to illegaly assasinate or kill people in another country because you find them a threat? Please confirm.

lol Pakistan borders are as seen on ever map and accepted by Pakistanis and their government. Kashmir is disupted land and doesn't belong to Pakistan.

Now what are the borders of Israel? If was hit by person A and decided to take your land and beat you up, Im sure you wont be so understanding.

What do you expect if you gang up on one country and wage a war? Jews did not steal any land. They bought land legally and started businesses. They were living peacefully in Palestine until Israel was formed. Then all hell broke loose. Israel became #1 enemy of the Arab world. It is poetic justice that Israel stands as a world renowned country with strong democracy while its enemies are all becoming failed states.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What do you expect if you gang up on one country and wage a war? Jews did not steal any land. They bought land legally and started businesses. They were living peacefully in Palestine until Israel was formed. Then all hell broke loose. Israel became #1 enemy of the Arab world. It is poetic justice that Israel stands as a world renowned country with strong democracy while its enemies are all becoming failed states.

So according to you it's ok to murder people in another land illegaly because you feel threatened. Do you hold the same principle for a Muslim nation??????

Living peacefully? Before Israel was formed there was a huge bombing on a hotel? Not heard of this?

Again, what are the borders of Israel? If you dont know just say.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Not all Jews are zionists

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not all Jews are zionists

Majority are but most Zionists arent Jews.

 

[The_Odd_One]

So according to you it's ok to murder people in another land illegaly because you feel threatened. Do you hold the same principle for a Muslim nation??????

Living peacefully? Before Israel was formed there was a huge bombing on a hotel? Not heard of this?

Again, what are the borders of Israel? If you dont know just say.

Muslims have the right to defend themselves but they have no right to go in other countries like SL and kill innocent people. Israel must do everything in its power to defend itself and its people because they have nowhere else to go.

Israel does not have fixed borders because Palestinians brought it upon themselves by starting a war rather than accepting Israel as a state. It is an open game now.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Muslims have the right to defend themselves but they have no right to go in other countries like SL and kill innocent people. Israel must do everything in its power to defend itself and its people because they have nowhere else to go.

Israel does not have fixed borders because Palestinians brought it upon themselves by starting a war rather than accepting Israel as a state. It is an open game now.

I hope everyone has read this gem.

Israelis can go an kill anyone anywere, break int law etc but nobody esp Muslims cant lol

Again, the hotel bombing was before the creation of Israel. the same terrorists also wiped out villages. Are you saying this is not true?

Ok let me ask what should be Israels borders or does the whole f planet belong to them?

 

[Adijazz1706]

Muslims have the right to defend themselves but they have no right to go in other countries like SL and kill innocent people. Israel must do everything in its power to defend itself and its people because they have nowhere else to go.

Israel does not have fixed borders because Palestinians brought it upon themselves by starting a war rather than accepting Israel as a state. It is an open game now.

At least read up on the Irgun before spouting rubbish, their leaders later became leaders of Israel

 

[Robert]

Ive never heard it called the great recession. I lived through it fine and so did everyone else I know, we were hardly standing in que for free bread.

I have mentioned employment levels are amongst the lowest they have been in recent years but antisemitism is still rising. I think you are just wrong as this being the reason.

The Great Recession is mostly an American term, used to illustrate that the G20 bank bailout prevented another Great Depression - ten million unemployed, bread riots.

You might have been ok - so was I - but a lot of people lost their jobs, and health care and benefits are harder and harder to get. This is why so many are in true poverty and forced to turn to food banks. So many are quite literally standing in line for free bread, more and more every month.

As for employment levels, many of these are zero hours gigs with no sick pay or security.

So many people are poorer, sicker, angrier, and they look for some Other to blame, bringing about a rise in all forms of racism including AS.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Are jewish people immigrating to a country and making life for local people a living hell as shown in this video? -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2nlIfn8tNA

If they do, then I consider anti-semitism or anti-ANYTHINGism to be justified. Any community that is trying to force others to bend to their will need to be fought back. Barring this, movements against any community is not justified.

That video is six years old, it is Anjem Choudhery and his merry band of followers on a demo. He has since been arrested and jailed.

Trying to pass that demo of as representative of Muslims is like posting an EDL march or Tommy Robinson video off as representing average white Brits. Not sure if you are serious here or just trolling but even the girl herself says in the video that the vast majority of Muslims don't behave like that. You cannot silence every extremist though, just look at what happened in New Zealand.

 

[The_Odd_One]

I hope everyone has read this gem.

Israelis can go an kill anyone anywere, break int law etc but nobody esp Muslims cant lol

Again, the hotel bombing was before the creation of Israel. the same terrorists also wiped out villages. Are you saying this is not true?

Ok let me ask what should be Israels borders or does the whole f planet belong to them?

No, the hotel was a legit military target because it was the headquarter of the british occupation army. The British were helping Arabs to wage a war against pro-Israel Jews by supplying weapons and training.

Yes, some innocent people died but only a delusional person can compare it to the bombing in SL or what happened in Mumbai. You cannot avoid collateral damage. Did innocent people die in Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Yes. But was US wrong to carry out a nuclear strike? No.

 

[The_Odd_One]

At least read up on the Irgun before spouting rubbish, their leaders later became leaders of Israel

When a small group of extremist Muslims do something, don't call all Muslims extremists.

When a small group of extremist Jews do something, reflect it on all Jews.

I get it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

When a small group of extremist Muslims do something, don't call all Muslims extremists.

When a small group of extremist Jews do something, reflect it on all Jews.

I get it.

How about just apply equal standards for both Muslims and Jews? I think that would be better.

 

[Technics 1210]

A lot of people are brainwashed by Zionist propaganda. Some esp western europeans seem to forget it was their kind who butchered more Jews than anyone else and now act like defenders of Jews and look to call others out for attacking Jews.

What people have failed to realise in this thread is Zionism is behind much of the propaganda against Muslims due to their wishes of how the world should be. What this has also done is increased anti-semistism as the thick will start to hate all that seem/look different. But Zionist dont care as long as their 'nation' is defended and they can continue their killings and theft of land.

Brother, it is clear that the propaganda is strong in this thread. Let me prove it.

If one cites a historical fact with respect to Judaism/Jews/Israel/Zionism, then one is an Anti-Semite. Proven by the fact that accusers have a problem with users agreeing with my post.

Now here’s where it gets interesting – if one questions the evidence of a historical event with respect to Judaism/Jews/Israel/Zionism then one is also an Anti-semite! – Cue Holocaust.

So, agree or not agree, with Jewish history, we’re anti-Semites!

Now here’s the kicker. Questioning the Holocaust is, wait for this, ILLEGAL, in 14 nations in the West. So not only are we anti-Semites for questioning a historical event, but we’re criminals too!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

The question is, why does the truth need protection by law? If a Flat Earther believes the Earth is flat despite the empirical evidence, he is deemed mad, but not a criminal. Apply the same logic when it comes to questioning the narrative of Zionism, then not only is one anti-Semitic, but a criminal too.

The truth does NOT need protection by law, unless it is, a lie. FACT.

 

[Technics 1210]

I hope everyone has read this gem.

Israelis can go an kill anyone anywere, break int law etc but nobody esp Muslims cant lol

Again, the hotel bombing was before the creation of Israel. the same terrorists also wiped out villages. Are you saying this is not true?

Ok let me ask what should be Israels borders or does the whole f planet belong to them?

Don't bother. He is a fully fledged Islamophobic who hates Muslims with a passion.

See what I did here?

 

[mustang]

How about just apply equal standards for both Muslims and Jews? I think that would be better.

Are you personally applying equal standards for muslims and non-muslims?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Are you personally applying equal standards for muslims and non-muslims?

I don't need to even say so myself, most fair minded neutrals who visit these boards would confirm it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No, the hotel was a legit military target because it was the headquarter of the british occupation army. The British were helping Arabs to wage a war against pro-Israel Jews by supplying weapons and training.

Yes, some innocent people died but only a delusional person can compare it to the bombing in SL or what happened in Mumbai. You cannot avoid collateral damage. Did innocent people die in Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Yes. But was US wrong to carry out a nuclear strike? No.

What a guy you are.

You are now justifying a terorist attack which murdered 91 people and injured many more. Your justification for this terrorism is the British were an occupying force. What kind of history have you been taught? There was no Jewish state so the British werent occupying them. Yes they were fighting the Jewish terrorists who had previously carried out attacks.

For the record.

Do you also justify the attack on Deir Yassin a village where all the residents were massacered? Since your history is poor, this was before the creation of Israel?