Are Shadab Khan and Mohammad Nawaz reliable enough with the bat to be promoted in the batting order?

[Bilal7]

Both of them have played some superb cameos lately and although the temptation is to treat them as proper all-rounders and play a fourth pacer/third spinner in the World Cup, there is also a high probability that this backfires and we weaken an already weak middle-order.

So do we stick or twist? Drop Iftikhar for a fourth pacer or Usman Qadir on the 23rd or do we stay with a deep batting order (on paper)?

 

[JimmyGetsBuckets]

Both more reliable than Chacha, Haider, and Asif.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Doesnt matter.

Any team that plays 2 slow openers wont chase anything except maybe against Bangladesh or Windies.

We have to hope our bowlers concede 160 every single time for Pakistan to win the tournament.

Or hope our bowlers miraculously defend 160.

 

[Sports_Psychologist]

Nawaz played another good innings today so I'll definitely say that they are more reliable batters than our pathetic middle order.

 

[Smudger]

Doesnt matter.

Any team that plays 2 slow openers wont chase anything except maybe against Bangladesh or Windies.

We have to hope our bowlers concede 160 every single time for Pakistan to win the tournament.

Or hope our bowlers miraculously defend 160.

And Sa
And Eng

 

[Sports_Psychologist]

Doesnt matter.

Any team that plays 2 slow openers wont chase anything except maybe against Bangladesh or Windies.

We have to hope our bowlers concede 160 every single time for Pakistan to win the tournament.

Or hope our bowlers miraculously defend 160.

We just chased 200+ with 10 wickets left , you are hilarious.
On Australian wickets and grounds, our so called high SR Opening batters wont be able to pass 10,15 runs.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

We just chased 200+ with 10 wickets left , you are hilarious.
On Australian wickets and grounds, our so called high SR Opening batters wont be able to pass 10,15 runs.

I knew that would come up.

Yes a second string bowling attack of England was good enough for us to chase.

If they were capable enough, they should have chased 200 against Topley and Wood. They failed. Twice.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

And Sa
And Eng

Yeah against Junior Dala and unknown bowlers sure.

Good luck chasing 180 against Starc, Cummins and Zampa or for that matter Wood, Topley and Rashid in Australia.

Mark it.

They won't.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

What a deranged comment. Do take your moaning somewhere else though, this is about Shadab and Nawaz.

Shadab can be a good number 4.

Nawaz is not good enough.

 

[Madplayer]

I think they are suspect against genuine pace. Especially Nawaz.

Nawaz should work on his batting because some of the shots he plays would make top order batsmen proud. He could become a genuine middle order batting allrounder for Pakistan.

 

[Suleiman]

I think they are suspect against genuine pace. Especially Nawaz.

Nawaz should work on his batting because some of the shots he plays would make top order batsmen proud. He could become a genuine middle order batting allrounder for Pakistan.

Yep. He has a List A high score of 180+ iirc. Definitely has the ingredients to be a top class batsman.

But realistically we need to drop both Iftikhar and Shan and get whoever is available and a Pakistani on the next flight to Australia, they can’t do worse than both those guys as t20 bats, no matter who they are.

 

[Mainul]

Both Shadab and Newaz are more reliable and capable with the bat than Iftikhar,Asif ,Masood and Haider

 

[shady]

I think the best bet at this point is to play to your strengths and have Wasim as a 4th seamer. Bank on Babar and Rizwan being consistent enough to set par totals and back your bowling to defend it.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Can't find out till we try out. Atleast we know what the likes of Iftikhar, Haider, Khushdil, Asif and Shan are capable of.

 

[Energy]

Shadab and Nawaz have already accomplished more than any other batter apart from Rizwan and Babar. Such is the pathetic quality of all others.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Yes, it is far better to play them in the middle order than Shan Masood, Iftikhar Ahmed, Haider Ali, Asif Ali, Khushdil Shah etc

This also allows us to play four fast bowlers, which most likely will be required in Australia.

Mohammed Rizwan (Wk)
Babar Azam
Fakhar Zaman
Shadab Khan
Mohammed Nawaz
Iftikhar Ahmed
Asif Ali
Mohammed Wasim
Shaheen Afridi
Haris Rauf
Naseem Shah

 

[Energy]

Yes, it is far better to play them in the middle order than Shan Masood, Iftikhar Ahmed, Haider Ali, Asif Ali, Khushdil Shah etc

This also allows us to play four fast bowlers, which most likely will be required in Australia.

Mohammed Rizwan (Wk)
Babar Azam
Fakhar Zaman
Shadab Khan
Mohammed Nawaz
Iftikhar Ahmed
Asif Ali
Mohammed Wasim
Shaheen Afridi
Haris Rauf
Naseem Shah

This is a very good XI to be honest, and Nawaz/Shadab does provide that luxury now. Wasim/Hasnain/Qadir can be rotated.

 

[Energy]

Yes, it is far better to play them in the middle order than Shan Masood, Iftikhar Ahmed, Haider Ali, Asif Ali, Khushdil Shah etc

This also allows us to play four fast bowlers, which most likely will be required in Australia.

Mohammed Rizwan (Wk)
Babar Azam
Fakhar Zaman
Shadab Khan
Mohammed Nawaz
Iftikhar Ahmed
Asif Ali
Mohammed Wasim
Shaheen Afridi
Haris Rauf
Naseem Shah

This is a very good XI to be honest, and Nawaz/Shadab does provide that luxury now. Wasim/Hasnain/Qadir can be rotated.

 

[Sports_Psychologist]

Yes, it is far better to play them in the middle order than Shan Masood, Iftikhar Ahmed, Haider Ali, Asif Ali, Khushdil Shah etc

This also allows us to play four fast bowlers, which most likely will be required in Australia.

Mohammed Rizwan (Wk)
Babar Azam
Fakhar Zaman
Shadab Khan
Mohammed Nawaz
Iftikhar Ahmed
Asif Ali
Mohammed Wasim
Shaheen Afridi
Haris Rauf
Naseem Shah

a good 11 considering the resources available but at the same time i'll switch ifitikhar with haider as he can hit the fast bowlers as well (not as per the current record but overall what i have seen) ifitkhar has a limited spin bowlers cow corner hitting zone only. At the same in order to maintain the fitness of Naseem Shah and Hasnain, i'll switch them in a match or two.

 

[Kriketer]

Hoping Imad Wasim will get a call up, he was in a good form in CPL.

1. Mohammed Rizwan (Wk)
2. Babar Azam
3. Fakhar Zaman
4. Shadab Khan
5. Mohammed Nawaz
6. Iftikhar Ahmed
7. Asif Ali
8. Imad Wasim
9. Naseem Shah
10. Haris Rauf
11. Shaheen Afridi

This will be our ideal lineup. Gives us batting depth with 3 front line pacers and solid spin options with Shadab, Nawaz and Imad. If Fakhar recovers and gets in form then we will be a solid team and certain to make it to the final.

 

[Grunge101]

Reliable or not , they are still far better choices than Chacha/khushdil.

I would prefer Shadab over Nawaz for Number 4 slot. He's displayed more versatility. Nawaz excels against spinners but tends to get out of sorts against fast bowlers bowling 140 or above.

 

[Marooned]

Better than our specialist MO batsmen.

This is why we need to drop a batsmen (Shan/Haider) and play a 4th seam option.

Ideally we should have given Jamal a longer rope to see what he can bring in batting.

 

[Kianig89]

From the squad we have, best thing Saqlain and Moyo should do is pick best 11 players from squad and that is not difficult because the likes of Khusdil Haider Haris Dhani and Qadir are already out of race if you rank the squad from 1 to 15, provided that Fakhar and Shaheen will be in the final 15 team picked should be in order of requirement

Rizwan
Babar
Fakhar ( if 50/1 he should come out)
Shan ( only bats if we re 2 down < 7 ovrs)
Nawaz
Iftikhar
Asif
Shadab
WasimJr.
Rauf
Shaheen

This should be the team Shan and Iftikhar should be only used when there is a collapse.
If we have passed the 10th over by 2 down then then Iftikhar should not come out)

We can afford Shan and Iftikhar playing 15 deliveries each and motoring along 20 runs

 

[Bilal7]

Our lineup should be set for the World Cup:

1) Babar
2) Rizwan
3) Fakhar
4) Nawaz
5) Haider
6) Iftikhar
7) Shadab
8) Asif/Wasim/Qadir/Hasnain
9) Rauf
10) Naseem
11) Shaheen

The only question is over the #8 spot. An extra six-hitter? A fourth pacer? And if so, which one? Or do we go with Qadir on the huge Australian grounds?

 

[Ab Fan]

Our lineup should be set for the World Cup:

1) Babar
2) Rizwan
3) Fakhar
4) Nawaz
5) Haider
6) Iftikhar
7) Shadab
8) Asif/Wasim/Qadir/Hasnain
9) Rauf
10) Naseem
11) Shaheen

The only question is over the #8 spot. An extra six-hitter? A fourth pacer? And if so, which one? Or do we go with Qadir on the huge Australian grounds?

Go with Asif Ali at 7 and Shadab at 8.

 

[Zeshan547]

Our lineup should be set for the World Cup:

1) Babar
2) Rizwan
3) Fakhar
4) Nawaz
5) Haider
6) Iftikhar
7) Shadab
8) Asif/Wasim/Qadir/Hasnain
9) Rauf
10) Naseem
11) Shaheen

The only question is over the #8 spot. An extra six-hitter? A fourth pacer? And if so, which one? Or do we go with Qadir on the huge Australian grounds?

Wasim for now has earned his place for now, plus he is better hitter than Hasnain, plus asif two sixes after 10 match is luxury we can't afford. Even wasim and hansnain on most days will outscore him, and Hasnain is my first back option as pacer but he won't make first choice XI, unless someone from that have horrible first two games.

 

[Marooned]

Our lineup should be set for the World Cup:

1) Babar
2) Rizwan
3) Fakhar
4) Nawaz
5) Haider
6) Iftikhar
7) Shadab
8) Asif/Wasim/Qadir/Hasnain
9) Rauf
10) Naseem
11) Shaheen

The only question is over the #8 spot. An extra six-hitter? A fourth pacer? And if so, which one? Or do we go with Qadir on the huge Australian grounds?

Ideally, Jamal should have been given enough chances for that 8 spot.

Think there's a decent hitter and handy 4th seam option in there.

 

[Zeshan547]

Plus a little swap in batting order, Haider at 4 and Nawaz at 5 because having both Fakhar and Nawaz together in some scenarios won't be good match up in middle overs vs certain bowlers. In ideal world i would have Riz and Fakhar open and Babar at 3 to make sure quick start in PP but we all know that's not happening.

 

[ritzy_123]

I think with our teams approach it seems the final XI for the wc is now

1) Muhammad Rizwan
2) Babar Azam
3) Fakhar Zaman
4) Muhammad Nawaz
5) Haider Ali
6) Iftikhar Ahmed
7) Shadab Khan
8) Khushdil Shah
9) Shaheen Shah Afridi
10) Haris Rauf
11) Naseem Shah

To keep Khushdil Shah in the team is my personal opinion as Asif Ali seems useless in these conditions although Khushdil might also be not effective but at least to see what happens if he bats in place of Asif Ali during warm ups

 

[Markhor]

The question shouldn't be about Shadab and Nawaz's reliability as middle-order bats but the reliability under pressure of our much vaunted, much heralded, top ICC ranked openers who've underwhelmed in four consecutive crunch games in space of a year.

These two provide the urgency and intent sorely lacking in an otherwise one-dimensional lineup.

They will fail more often that not, because the nature of their role requires taking more risk, but already we've seen their promotions bear fruit in four recent games (vs IND, vs BAN, and twice vs NZL).