Are the followers of Hindutva, the biggest threat to Hinduism?

[gazza619]

In Hinduism, the concept of karma plays a central role in discouraging vengeance and promoting a path of forgiveness and detachment. Every negative action creates an energy that eventually comes back to the individual. As is commonly known “What goes around, comes around.” If someone wrongs another, they accumulate negative karma, which will manifest as suffering in their own life, either in this birth or the next.

Taking revenge also creates new negative karma for the avenger, perpetuating a cycle of suffering and rebirth

This is how fundamentally the concept of Vengeance is not celebrated in Hindu belief system. No one is perfect however and ordinary people often act in vengeance not knowing they are digging a deeper hole for them and those around them.

Interesting. If Hindus dont believe in vengeance then why do we have so many hindu extremists?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

In Hinduism, non-violence is encapsulated in the principle of Ahimsa, which means avoiding harm to all living beings through actions, speech, and thoughts. Ahimsa is considered a supreme virtue and is often translated as "non-violence," but it also includes avoiding mental and emotional harm.

But do we ever witness this Ahimsa among the followers of Hindutva, who have no issue with hurling threats to butcher and massacre millions of people who even stealthily slaughter cow or escape meat ban. Or do we witness it ever when minorities get manhandled brutally by a majority adhering to the teachings of Hindutva not Hinduism.

So is it high time for Hindu reformists to distance themselves from the toxic ideology of Hindutva or is it the right way for them to inculcate this dogma of Hindutva at expense of cardinal concepts of Hinduism like Ahimsa

 

[Devadwal]

Obsession with hindu is real for pakistan people's.

Takecare own country first and stop worrying about India

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Poll added Guys!

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Correction *Hindutva

Obsession with hindu is real for pakistan people's.

Takecare own country first and stop worrying about India

 

[Devadwal]

This mentality is the reason why Pakistan has become a failed State while india is shining

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It's up to Hindus to decide what is a threat or isn't a threat to them. There are many positives to Hindutva and some negatives. They can best decide it.

 

[ChennaiFan]

Similar to how the islamic terrorism is a threat to islam, hindutva could be a threat to hinduism.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Pseudo seculars are the biggest threat to Hinduism.
I am all for criticizing and bashing Hinduism for its many outdated practices. But the same should be applied to all religions. Can’t bash one kid while cradling the other.

Hindutva is nationalistic. Hinduism is the clown face of the original Sanatana dharma.

 

[Hikaru]

It's up to Hindus to decide what is a threat or isn't a threat to them. There are many positives to Hindutva and some negatives. They can best decide it.

Well said Deadly bhai, saves me a paragraph.

 

[BouncerGuy]

PLEASE MAKE NO JOKES ABOUT RELIGION.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Obsession with hindu is real for pakistan people's.

Takecare own country first and stop worrying about India

Only way that will happen is if we have a separate forum for Indians and another one for Pakistanis with agreement that none shall discuss the other's business. Or I suppose Indians could just go to an Indian forum instead of piping up in a Pakistan one, that would achieve the same effect.

 

[HalBass9]

Any form of extreme ideology poses a threat to society, some reveal their consequences immediately, while others take years to manifest. In India, many have come to embrace an extreme version of Hinduism as a core part of their identity, influenced in part by rising wealth.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Hindutva is the political muscle of Hinduism. Whenever Hinduism is under political threat, Hindutva will emerge to combat the attackers and destroy them. Once Hindutva is certain that there is no threat to Hinduism it will cease to exist so that people of the world can safely practice Sanatan Dharma in its purest form which is the most beautiful and majestic thing ever.

 

[deltexas]

Pseudo seculars are the biggest threat to Hinduism.
I am all for criticizing and bashing Hinduism for its many outdated practices. But the same should be applied to all religions. Can’t bash one kid while cradling the other.

Hindutva is nationalistic. Hinduism is the clown face of the original Sanatana dharma.

This.. All the pseudo seculars will criticize Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism but will stay eerily quiet on Islam religion. Religion is a guideline and so several things were criticized in Hinduism and the laws have repealed those and thats how it should be . Say anything about Islam and then see the adverse reactions. As I said before, religion is just a set of principles , guidelines to help you be a better person, not something you follow to the T or consider it gospel truth.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The point ​

Do Hindus want Savarkar's Hinduism or The Hinduism
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What's Hindutva And Why It Conflicts With Hinduism​

The expression Hindutva emerged from Hinduism which simply means a state or quality of being a Hindu. However, going through its etymology Hindutva sought a wider demarcation to move free from Hinduism but keeping a bonded identity with it as well.

The Hindutva ideology was first introduced in 1923 by Maharashtra-based Hindu social and political activist Vinayak Damodar Savarkar. As an advocate of sovereignty, Savarkar started his public life as a radical freedom fighter for the liberation of India from British rule. In this stint, he spent several years in jail, including the infamous and torturous cells of the Andaman Islands from where he sought clemency with a promise to renounce revolutionary activities. After the release, Savarkar’s temperament turned to create Hindu nationalism by identifying and promoting its heritage and civilization.

Savarkar had an inherent conservative vision of Hindu social and political consciousness to perceive a Hindu Rashtra (nation). His Hindutva doctrine is based on the hypothesis that India’s religious and cultural diversities are fundamentally rooted in its collective Hindu identity.

“Common Rashtra, common race and common culture” are the three cardinals identifying Hindutva nationalism

In line with the Hindutva’s concept, Hindu means a nationality of Hindu Rashtra, a motherland or fatherland with its geographical boundaries. And regarding “common race and common culture” Hindu means a correlative genealogy or ancestry, sharing its cultural heritage, beliefs, and ethics.

Correspondent to that the followers of all the India-born religions and sects are included in the Hindutva fold. But it excludes those who belong to foreign-born faiths like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and Zoroastrianism.

Hindutva tries to portray itself as a cultural and nationalistic conception to mark itself as India’s identity. Still, it does not assume a theological categorization. In its expansive role, Hindutva believes in the existence of a collective Hindu culture or way of life which is also being shared and practiced by compatible non-Hindu communities. In social environs, Hindutva is everything that is Indic.

Savarkar explicitly proclaimed, “Hindutva is not a word but a history. Not only the spiritual or religious history of our people as at times it is mistaken to be by being confounded with the other cognate term Hinduism, but history in full”.

Savarkar’s approach incidentally confined Hinduism within its religious and spiritual order. And let Hindutva play a wider role to define India’s nationalism, its people, history, culture, and traditions.

Savarkar argued “Hindutva is not identical with what is vaguely indicated by the term Hinduism. By an ‘ism’ it is generally meant a theory or a code more or less based on spiritual or religious dogma or creed. Had not linguistic usage stood in our way then ‘Hinduness’ would have certainly been a better word than Hinduism as a near parallel to Hindutva”.

He declared “Hinduism is only a derivative, a fraction, a part of Hindutva. … Hindutva embraces all the departments of thought and activity of the whole Being of our Hindu race”.

In India’s cultural, linguistic and religious diversities, Savarkar believed the existence of a strong underlying Indian tradition based on his vision of Hindu values. In his views, Hindu reflects the cultural and political nationality of India.

With that premise, Savarkar tried to secularized Hindutva. Under that platform, he could include Muslims, Christians, and Parsis believing these communities were Hindus too from cultural and historical perspectives.


https://www.hindusforhumanrights.or...nflicts-with-hinduism-a-guest-view?format=amp

 

[HalBass9]

This.. All the pseudo seculars will criticize Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism but will stay eerily quiet on Islam religion. Religion is a guideline and so several things were criticized in Hinduism and the laws have repealed those and thats how it should be . Say anything about Islam and then see the adverse reactions. As I said before, religion is just a set of principles , guidelines to help you be a better person, not something you follow to the T or consider it gospel truth.

It is the ideology of Hindutva that has been linked to acts of lynching and the justification of violence against individuals based on their beliefs. This includes denying Muslims housing, forcing people to chant 'Jai Shri Ram,' and incidents of harassment of women during Holi, often with pressure on members of other religions to participate, or else face threats and abuse.

If you're going to fabricate narratives, at least try to conceal the overwhelming evidence available across media platforms.

 

[ramki]

Interesting. If Hindus dont believe in vengeance then why do we have so many hindu extremists?

Isn't this more of a reaction? Because, 10s of millions of Hindus and Zoroastrians and Buddhists and Jains and various other pagan religions from Iran to Indonesia were decimated and taken over by extremists over the course of 1000 years? How can anybody living from Middle East to Pakistan complain about others' religious extremism? Gotta have perspective about history.

 

[ramki]

Isn't this more of a reaction? Because, 10s of millions of Hindus and Zoroastrians and Buddhists and Jains and various other pagan religions from Iran to Indonesia were decimated and taken over by extremists over the course of 1000 years? How can anybody living from Middle East to Pakistan complain about others' religious extremism? Gotta have perspective about history.

Having said that, India (and Hinduism) has a rich history of secularism and tolerance. It will remain secular even if Hindutva forces dominate and it's somewhat required. We started pandering to the minorities in the name of secularism. Some course correction was needed. We don't and shouldn't get into the mono-religious theocratic cesspools like many of our neighbors and middle eastern friends.

 

[Bhaijaan]

A Hindutva soldier would proudly give up his life before letting any harm to Hinduism. To Hindutvawaadis, Sanatan is supreme.

 

[cricketjoshila]

In Hinduism, non-violence is encapsulated in the principle of Ahimsa, which means avoiding harm to all living beings through actions, speech, and thoughts. Ahimsa is considered a supreme virtue and is often translated as "non-violence," but it also includes avoiding mental and emotional harm.

But do we ever witness this Ahimsa among the followers of Hindutva, who have no issue with hurling threats to butcher and massacre millions of people who even stealthily slaughter cow or escape meat ban. Or do we witness it ever when minorities get manhandled brutally by a majority adhering to the teachings of Hindutva not Hinduism.

So is it high time for Hindu reformists to distance themselves from the toxic ideology of Hindutva or is it the right way for them to inculcate this dogma of Hindutva at expense of cardinal concepts of Hinduism like Ahimsa

You have no idea about Sanatan. Please leave our religion and how to practice it to us.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The point ​

Do Hindus want Savarkar's Hinduism or The Hinduism
====

What's Hindutva And Why It Conflicts With Hinduism​

The expression Hindutva emerged from Hinduism which simply means a state or quality of being a Hindu. However, going through its etymology Hindutva sought a wider demarcation to move free from Hinduism but keeping a bonded identity with it as well.

The Hindutva ideology was first introduced in 1923 by Maharashtra-based Hindu social and political activist Vinayak Damodar Savarkar. As an advocate of sovereignty, Savarkar started his public life as a radical freedom fighter for the liberation of India from British rule. In this stint, he spent several years in jail, including the infamous and torturous cells of the Andaman Islands from where he sought clemency with a promise to renounce revolutionary activities. After the release, Savarkar’s temperament turned to create Hindu nationalism by identifying and promoting its heritage and civilization.

Savarkar had an inherent conservative vision of Hindu social and political consciousness to perceive a Hindu Rashtra (nation). His Hindutva doctrine is based on the hypothesis that India’s religious and cultural diversities are fundamentally rooted in its collective Hindu identity.

“Common Rashtra, common race and common culture” are the three cardinals identifying Hindutva nationalism

In line with the Hindutva’s concept, Hindu means a nationality of Hindu Rashtra, a motherland or fatherland with its geographical boundaries. And regarding “common race and common culture” Hindu means a correlative genealogy or ancestry, sharing its cultural heritage, beliefs, and ethics.

Correspondent to that the followers of all the India-born religions and sects are included in the Hindutva fold. But it excludes those who belong to foreign-born faiths like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and Zoroastrianism.

Hindutva tries to portray itself as a cultural and nationalistic conception to mark itself as India’s identity. Still, it does not assume a theological categorization. In its expansive role, Hindutva believes in the existence of a collective Hindu culture or way of life which is also being shared and practiced by compatible non-Hindu communities. In social environs, Hindutva is everything that is Indic.

Savarkar explicitly proclaimed, “Hindutva is not a word but a history. Not only the spiritual or religious history of our people as at times it is mistaken to be by being confounded with the other cognate term Hinduism, but history in full”.

Savarkar’s approach incidentally confined Hinduism within its religious and spiritual order. And let Hindutva play a wider role to define India’s nationalism, its people, history, culture, and traditions.

Savarkar argued “Hindutva is not identical with what is vaguely indicated by the term Hinduism. By an ‘ism’ it is generally meant a theory or a code more or less based on spiritual or religious dogma or creed. Had not linguistic usage stood in our way then ‘Hinduness’ would have certainly been a better word than Hinduism as a near parallel to Hindutva”.

He declared “Hinduism is only a derivative, a fraction, a part of Hindutva. … Hindutva embraces all the departments of thought and activity of the whole Being of our Hindu race”.

In India’s cultural, linguistic and religious diversities, Savarkar believed the existence of a strong underlying Indian tradition based on his vision of Hindu values. In his views, Hindu reflects the cultural and political nationality of India.

With that premise, Savarkar tried to secularized Hindutva. Under that platform, he could include Muslims, Christians, and Parsis believing these communities were Hindus too from cultural and historical perspectives.


https://www.hindusforhumanrights.or...nflicts-with-hinduism-a-guest-view?format=amp

NGOs don't decide what's Sanatan and what's not. For that we have our dharmagurus.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pseudo Hindus are the greatest threat to Sanatan. Hindutva is Sanatan.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

You have no idea about Sanatan. Please leave our religion and how to practice it to us.

Ok fair enough, so would you leave other religions on themselves too... I mean how come your country could decide how people of a particular religion marry or divorce ...or what should they eat or not etc... Hopefully what are you speaking applies to all.

 

[sweep_shot]

Hindutva is responsible for rising Indiaphobia worldwide.

Hindutva may contribute to dissolution/balkanization of India in the long run.

 

[jamie smith fan]

Hindutva is responsible for rising Indiaphobia worldwide.

Hindutva may contribute to dissolution/balkanization of India in the long run.

Ur hate for India is real.
Keep it going.

 

[sweep_shot]

Ur hate for India is real.
Keep it going.

I don't hate India per se. There are many decent Indians too.

I hate the Islamophobic ones and dislike the obnoxious blind nationalist ones.

 

[Rajdeep]

Hindutva is responsible for rising Indiaphobia worldwide.

Hindutva may contribute to dissolution/balkanization of India in the long run.

Muslims have problems with hindus in India, Jews in Israel, Christians in west etc etc. So if one is having problem with so many, actual problem is internal and not with others. It is high time muslims realize that they are solely responsible for Islamophobia. I mean look at yourself, if in real life also you are same the way you post, you think people will not be wary about the religion you practice? Not only they will be wary but they will probably also inform their sons/daughters to stay away from Sweep Shot and his kinds. Now if that becomes Islamophobia, who exactly is responsible for it?

Muslims must realize one thing, action speaks louder than words. World is under no obligation to pander to them. As long as islamist terrorism and brain dead jingoistic people like you who sounds more like sleeper cell activists exists world will always looks at you guys with wary. No point crying Islamophobia or blaming Hindus etc. That is simply a distractionary tactics. The problem is inhouse...fix that first.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I don't hate India per se. There are many decent Indians too.

I hate the Islamophobic ones and dislike the obnoxious blind nationalist ones.

No,
It is your coping mechanism.
You belong to a country which has openly used riots to kill hindus in the last year, fact acknowledged by the current US government. In the respective threads you tried to defend to Islamist terrorists in your country by every lie could come up with but our fellow posters destroyed every arguement of yours with facts. Ever since you have been running from thread to thread making poor quality posts in the name of Bharat bashing making yourself easily one of the most low quality posters on the forum currently.

Most of the posters who encourage your behaviour themselves don’t post this poorly on a regular basis.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Muslims have problems with hindus in India, Jews in Israel, Christians in west etc etc. So if one is having problem with so many, actual problem is internal and not with others. It is high time muslims realize that they are solely responsible for Islamophobia. I mean look at yourself, if in real life also you are same the way you post, you think people will not be wary about the religion you practice? Not only they will be wary but they will probably also inform their sons/daughters to stay away from Sweep Shot and his kinds. Now if that becomes Islamophobia, who exactly is responsible for it?

Muslims must realize one thing, action speaks louder than words. World is under no obligation to pander to them. As long as islamist terrorism and brain dead jingoistic people like you who sounds more like sleeper cell activists exists world will always looks at you guys with wary. No point crying Islamophobia or blaming Hindus etc. That is simply a distractionary tactics. The problem is inhouse...fix that first.

But it is non-Muslims who have been trying to force Muslims to their way of life through sanctions and warfare, including invasions. When was the last time an Islamic country invaded a Jewish, Hindu or Christian one?