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Are the followers of Hindutva, the biggest threat to Hinduism?

Are the followers of Hindutva, the biggest threat to Hinduism?


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In Hinduism, non-violence is encapsulated in the principle of Ahimsa, which means avoiding harm to all living beings through actions, speech, and thoughts. Ahimsa is considered a supreme virtue and is often translated as "non-violence," but it also includes avoiding mental and emotional harm.

But do we ever witness this Ahimsa among the followers of Hindutva, who have no issue with hurling threats to butcher and massacre millions of people who even stealthily slaughter cow or escape meat ban. Or do we witness it ever when minorities get manhandled brutally by a majority adhering to the teachings of Hindutva not Hinduism.

So is it high time for Hindu reformists to distance themselves from the toxic ideology of Hindutva or is it the right way for them to inculcate this dogma of Hindutva at expense of cardinal concepts of Hinduism like Ahimsa
 
Pseudo seculars are the biggest threat to Hinduism.
I am all for criticizing and bashing Hinduism for its many outdated practices. But the same should be applied to all religions. Can’t bash one kid while cradling the other.

Hindutva is nationalistic. Hinduism is the clown face of the original Sanatana dharma.
 
Obsession with hindu is real for pakistan people's.

Takecare own country first and stop worrying about India

:kp

Only way that will happen is if we have a separate forum for Indians and another one for Pakistanis with agreement that none shall discuss the other's business. Or I suppose Indians could just go to an Indian forum instead of piping up in a Pakistan one, that would achieve the same effect.
 
Any form of extreme ideology poses a threat to society, some reveal their consequences immediately, while others take years to manifest. In India, many have come to embrace an extreme version of Hinduism as a core part of their identity, influenced in part by rising wealth.
 
Hindutva is the political muscle of Hinduism. Whenever Hinduism is under political threat, Hindutva will emerge to combat the attackers and destroy them. Once Hindutva is certain that there is no threat to Hinduism it will cease to exist so that people of the world can safely practice Sanatan Dharma in its purest form which is the most beautiful and majestic thing ever.
 
Pseudo seculars are the biggest threat to Hinduism.
I am all for criticizing and bashing Hinduism for its many outdated practices. But the same should be applied to all religions. Can’t bash one kid while cradling the other.

Hindutva is nationalistic. Hinduism is the clown face of the original Sanatana dharma.
This.. All the pseudo seculars will criticize Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism but will stay eerily quiet on Islam religion. Religion is a guideline and so several things were criticized in Hinduism and the laws have repealed those and thats how it should be . Say anything about Islam and then see the adverse reactions. As I said before, religion is just a set of principles , guidelines to help you be a better person, not something you follow to the T or consider it gospel truth.
 

The point 👉


Do Hindus want Savarkar's Hinduism or The Hinduism
====

What's Hindutva And Why It Conflicts With Hinduism​


Gandhi-Savarkar-2.png


The expression Hindutva emerged from Hinduism which simply means a state or quality of being a Hindu. However, going through its etymology Hindutva sought a wider demarcation to move free from Hinduism but keeping a bonded identity with it as well.

The Hindutva ideology was first introduced in 1923 by Maharashtra-based Hindu social and political activist Vinayak Damodar Savarkar. As an advocate of sovereignty, Savarkar started his public life as a radical freedom fighter for the liberation of India from British rule. In this stint, he spent several years in jail, including the infamous and torturous cells of the Andaman Islands from where he sought clemency with a promise to renounce revolutionary activities. After the release, Savarkar’s temperament turned to create Hindu nationalism by identifying and promoting its heritage and civilization.

Savarkar had an inherent conservative vision of Hindu social and political consciousness to perceive a Hindu Rashtra (nation). His Hindutva doctrine is based on the hypothesis that India’s religious and cultural diversities are fundamentally rooted in its collective Hindu identity.

“Common Rashtra, common race and common culture” are the three cardinals identifying Hindutva nationalism

In line with the Hindutva’s concept, Hindu means a nationality of Hindu Rashtra, a motherland or fatherland with its geographical boundaries. And regarding “common race and common culture” Hindu means a correlative genealogy or ancestry, sharing its cultural heritage, beliefs, and ethics.

Correspondent to that the followers of all the India-born religions and sects are included in the Hindutva fold. But it excludes those who belong to foreign-born faiths like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and Zoroastrianism.

Hindutva tries to portray itself as a cultural and nationalistic conception to mark itself as India’s identity. Still, it does not assume a theological categorization. In its expansive role, Hindutva believes in the existence of a collective Hindu culture or way of life which is also being shared and practiced by compatible non-Hindu communities. In social environs, Hindutva is everything that is Indic.

Savarkar explicitly proclaimed, “Hindutva is not a word but a history. Not only the spiritual or religious history of our people as at times it is mistaken to be by being confounded with the other cognate term Hinduism, but history in full”.

Savarkar’s approach incidentally confined Hinduism within its religious and spiritual order. And let Hindutva play a wider role to define India’s nationalism, its people, history, culture, and traditions.

Savarkar argued “Hindutva is not identical with what is vaguely indicated by the term Hinduism. By an ‘ism’ it is generally meant a theory or a code more or less based on spiritual or religious dogma or creed. Had not linguistic usage stood in our way then ‘Hinduness’ would have certainly been a better word than Hinduism as a near parallel to Hindutva”.

He declared “Hinduism is only a derivative, a fraction, a part of Hindutva. … Hindutva embraces all the departments of thought and activity of the whole Being of our Hindu race”.

In India’s cultural, linguistic and religious diversities, Savarkar believed the existence of a strong underlying Indian tradition based on his vision of Hindu values. In his views, Hindu reflects the cultural and political nationality of India.

With that premise, Savarkar tried to secularized Hindutva. Under that platform, he could include Muslims, Christians, and Parsis believing these communities were Hindus too from cultural and historical perspectives.


https://www.hindusforhumanrights.or...nflicts-with-hinduism-a-guest-view?format=amp
 
This.. All the pseudo seculars will criticize Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism but will stay eerily quiet on Islam religion. Religion is a guideline and so several things were criticized in Hinduism and the laws have repealed those and thats how it should be . Say anything about Islam and then see the adverse reactions. As I said before, religion is just a set of principles , guidelines to help you be a better person, not something you follow to the T or consider it gospel truth.

It is the ideology of Hindutva that has been linked to acts of lynching and the justification of violence against individuals based on their beliefs. This includes denying Muslims housing, forcing people to chant 'Jai Shri Ram,' and incidents of harassment of women during Holi, often with pressure on members of other religions to participate, or else face threats and abuse.

If you're going to fabricate narratives, at least try to conceal the overwhelming evidence available across media platforms.
 
Interesting. If Hindus dont believe in vengeance then why do we have so many hindu extremists?
Isn't this more of a reaction? Because, 10s of millions of Hindus and Zoroastrians and Buddhists and Jains and various other pagan religions from Iran to Indonesia were decimated and taken over by extremists over the course of 1000 years? How can anybody living from Middle East to Pakistan complain about others' religious extremism? Gotta have perspective about history.
 
Isn't this more of a reaction? Because, 10s of millions of Hindus and Zoroastrians and Buddhists and Jains and various other pagan religions from Iran to Indonesia were decimated and taken over by extremists over the course of 1000 years? How can anybody living from Middle East to Pakistan complain about others' religious extremism? Gotta have perspective about history.
Having said that, India (and Hinduism) has a rich history of secularism and tolerance. It will remain secular even if Hindutva forces dominate and it's somewhat required. We started pandering to the minorities in the name of secularism. Some course correction was needed. We don't and shouldn't get into the mono-religious theocratic cesspools like many of our neighbors and middle eastern friends.
 
A Hindutva soldier would proudly give up his life before letting any harm to Hinduism. To Hindutvawaadis, Sanatan is supreme.
 
In Hinduism, non-violence is encapsulated in the principle of Ahimsa, which means avoiding harm to all living beings through actions, speech, and thoughts. Ahimsa is considered a supreme virtue and is often translated as "non-violence," but it also includes avoiding mental and emotional harm.

But do we ever witness this Ahimsa among the followers of Hindutva, who have no issue with hurling threats to butcher and massacre millions of people who even stealthily slaughter cow or escape meat ban. Or do we witness it ever when minorities get manhandled brutally by a majority adhering to the teachings of Hindutva not Hinduism.

So is it high time for Hindu reformists to distance themselves from the toxic ideology of Hindutva or is it the right way for them to inculcate this dogma of Hindutva at expense of cardinal concepts of Hinduism like Ahimsa

You have no idea about Sanatan. Please leave our religion and how to practice it to us.
 

The point 👉


Do Hindus want Savarkar's Hinduism or The Hinduism
====

What's Hindutva And Why It Conflicts With Hinduism​


Gandhi-Savarkar-2.png


The expression Hindutva emerged from Hinduism which simply means a state or quality of being a Hindu. However, going through its etymology Hindutva sought a wider demarcation to move free from Hinduism but keeping a bonded identity with it as well.

The Hindutva ideology was first introduced in 1923 by Maharashtra-based Hindu social and political activist Vinayak Damodar Savarkar. As an advocate of sovereignty, Savarkar started his public life as a radical freedom fighter for the liberation of India from British rule. In this stint, he spent several years in jail, including the infamous and torturous cells of the Andaman Islands from where he sought clemency with a promise to renounce revolutionary activities. After the release, Savarkar’s temperament turned to create Hindu nationalism by identifying and promoting its heritage and civilization.

Savarkar had an inherent conservative vision of Hindu social and political consciousness to perceive a Hindu Rashtra (nation). His Hindutva doctrine is based on the hypothesis that India’s religious and cultural diversities are fundamentally rooted in its collective Hindu identity.

“Common Rashtra, common race and common culture” are the three cardinals identifying Hindutva nationalism

In line with the Hindutva’s concept, Hindu means a nationality of Hindu Rashtra, a motherland or fatherland with its geographical boundaries. And regarding “common race and common culture” Hindu means a correlative genealogy or ancestry, sharing its cultural heritage, beliefs, and ethics.

Correspondent to that the followers of all the India-born religions and sects are included in the Hindutva fold. But it excludes those who belong to foreign-born faiths like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and Zoroastrianism.

Hindutva tries to portray itself as a cultural and nationalistic conception to mark itself as India’s identity. Still, it does not assume a theological categorization. In its expansive role, Hindutva believes in the existence of a collective Hindu culture or way of life which is also being shared and practiced by compatible non-Hindu communities. In social environs, Hindutva is everything that is Indic.

Savarkar explicitly proclaimed, “Hindutva is not a word but a history. Not only the spiritual or religious history of our people as at times it is mistaken to be by being confounded with the other cognate term Hinduism, but history in full”.

Savarkar’s approach incidentally confined Hinduism within its religious and spiritual order. And let Hindutva play a wider role to define India’s nationalism, its people, history, culture, and traditions.

Savarkar argued “Hindutva is not identical with what is vaguely indicated by the term Hinduism. By an ‘ism’ it is generally meant a theory or a code more or less based on spiritual or religious dogma or creed. Had not linguistic usage stood in our way then ‘Hinduness’ would have certainly been a better word than Hinduism as a near parallel to Hindutva”.

He declared “Hinduism is only a derivative, a fraction, a part of Hindutva. … Hindutva embraces all the departments of thought and activity of the whole Being of our Hindu race”.

In India’s cultural, linguistic and religious diversities, Savarkar believed the existence of a strong underlying Indian tradition based on his vision of Hindu values. In his views, Hindu reflects the cultural and political nationality of India.

With that premise, Savarkar tried to secularized Hindutva. Under that platform, he could include Muslims, Christians, and Parsis believing these communities were Hindus too from cultural and historical perspectives.


https://www.hindusforhumanrights.or...nflicts-with-hinduism-a-guest-view?format=amp
NGOs don't decide what's Sanatan and what's not. For that we have our dharmagurus.
 
You have no idea about Sanatan. Please leave our religion and how to practice it to us.
Ok fair enough, so would you leave other religions on themselves too... I mean how come your country could decide how people of a particular religion marry or divorce ...or what should they eat or not etc... Hopefully what are you speaking applies to all.
 
Hindutva is responsible for rising Indiaphobia worldwide.

Hindutva may contribute to dissolution/balkanization of India in the long run. :inti
 
Hindutva is responsible for rising Indiaphobia worldwide.

Hindutva may contribute to dissolution/balkanization of India in the long run. :inti

Muslims have problems with hindus in India, Jews in Israel, Christians in west etc etc. So if one is having problem with so many, actual problem is internal and not with others. It is high time muslims realize that they are solely responsible for Islamophobia. I mean look at yourself, if in real life also you are same the way you post, you think people will not be wary about the religion you practice? Not only they will be wary but they will probably also inform their sons/daughters to stay away from Sweep Shot and his kinds. Now if that becomes Islamophobia, who exactly is responsible for it?

Muslims must realize one thing, action speaks louder than words. World is under no obligation to pander to them. As long as islamist terrorism and brain dead jingoistic people like you who sounds more like sleeper cell activists exists world will always looks at you guys with wary. No point crying Islamophobia or blaming Hindus etc. That is simply a distractionary tactics. The problem is inhouse...fix that first.
 
I don't hate India per se. There are many decent Indians too.

I hate the Islamophobic ones and dislike the obnoxious blind nationalist ones. :inti

No,
It is your coping mechanism.
You belong to a country which has openly used riots to kill hindus in the last year, fact acknowledged by the current US government. In the respective threads you tried to defend to Islamist terrorists in your country by every lie could come up with but our fellow posters destroyed every arguement of yours with facts. Ever since you have been running from thread to thread making poor quality posts in the name of Bharat bashing making yourself easily one of the most low quality posters on the forum currently.

Most of the posters who encourage your behaviour themselves don’t post this poorly on a regular basis.
 
Muslims have problems with hindus in India, Jews in Israel, Christians in west etc etc. So if one is having problem with so many, actual problem is internal and not with others. It is high time muslims realize that they are solely responsible for Islamophobia. I mean look at yourself, if in real life also you are same the way you post, you think people will not be wary about the religion you practice? Not only they will be wary but they will probably also inform their sons/daughters to stay away from Sweep Shot and his kinds. Now if that becomes Islamophobia, who exactly is responsible for it?

Muslims must realize one thing, action speaks louder than words. World is under no obligation to pander to them. As long as islamist terrorism and brain dead jingoistic people like you who sounds more like sleeper cell activists exists world will always looks at you guys with wary. No point crying Islamophobia or blaming Hindus etc. That is simply a distractionary tactics. The problem is inhouse...fix that first.

But it is non-Muslims who have been trying to force Muslims to their way of life through sanctions and warfare, including invasions. When was the last time an Islamic country invaded a Jewish, Hindu or Christian one?
 
If we claim terrorism has no religion then we should be consistent. India and Hindus suffered a huge tragedy last week. The response from the average Hindu has not been one of violence. One or two incidents are expected as crazy people will naturally use this as an outlet and this axe man falls into this category.

Respect to our Hindu brothers for their conduct.
 
the image of indians and hindus went from being seen as wise, aesetic, mystical wise men to being frustrated angry bullies in one generation. just to be clear, i don't mean that this is the image of the hindu religion or hindu religious people, but that the hindu religious person got replaced by the rabid hindutva nationalist as the default image of the average indian.

I think if it were a local phenomenon, it would not be particularly different, but the fact that social media warriors are so desperate for Western approval and validation that they seek to align themselves with Israel, etc., has spread their image globally, which has made the overall situation worse. India should try to focus on controlling its cyber population, who project a terrible image of the country.
 
the image of indians and hindus went from being seen as wise, aesetic, mystical wise men to being frustrated angry bullies in one generation. just to be clear, i don't mean that this is the image of the hindu religion or hindu religious people, but that the hindu religious person got replaced by the rabid hindutva nationalist as the default image of the average indian.

I think if it were a local phenomenon, it would not be particularly different, but the fact that social media warriors are so desperate for Western approval and validation that they seek to align themselves with Israel, etc., has spread their image globally, which has made the overall situation worse. India should try to focus on controlling its cyber population, who project a terrible image of the country.

In the west Hindus are generally considered as peaceful vegetarians who believe in reincarnation with a multitude of gods whome they worship. I think they were generally considered strange (by western standards) but fairly harmless, and keen to assimilate into western culture.

Because the communal violence we see on a casual basis in India is mostly self contained, this image has mostly remained constant. In the west, what people in the east do to each other is not really considered too deeply.
 
A Hindutva soldier would proudly give up his life before letting any harm to Hinduism. To Hindutvawaadis, Sanatan is supreme.

Where was this soldier when India was under the rule of Mughals and British ? Or was this soldier licking British boots while the Hindus like Chandershekhar Azad , sardar patel , Subhash Chandra Bose etc were fighting ?
 
A Hindutva soldier would proudly give up his life before letting any harm to Hinduism. To Hindutvawaadis, Sanatan is supreme.
Who pulled the triggers during the Jalianwala Bagh massacre?
 
The answer to this question is very deep which people on these forums probably won’t be able to comprehend as they lack critical thinking and don’t have any depth in understanding how different ideologies/views are interconnected.
 
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I find it very funny but Hinduism is not a threat for anyone, either in India or around the world. We all know what the real threat is and just saw an example of it few days ago in Kashmir. If these threads are a by product because few Indian posters riled you guys up then its fair. Its human nature afterall and we all say things to make ourselves feel good.
 
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movie showed that Mughals looted Gold and treasure from Marathas and kept it in the Asirgarh Fort, Burhanpur, MP:

https://x.com/RoshanKrRaii/status/1...97703193919642?t=nPw4_AydD9zIMOgloJmrPA26s=19



Who would know the indians are the original indiana jones :)


anyone know if one of these found anything historical
 

400 years ago, a Muslim stopped his grand grand grand father and family in an similar fashion. Killed half of them and let his predecessor live after their soiled their pangs and agreed to convert to Islam.

In 2025, a Hindu can only ruin his day and do no harm because it’s a secular nation where Hindu majority has ensured safety of all minorities without needing to convert. Times changed for the better and we are all glad for it. Thank Lord
 
In Hinduism, non-violence is encapsulated in the principle of Ahimsa, which means avoiding harm to all living beings through actions, speech, and thoughts. Ahimsa is considered a supreme virtue and is often translated as "non-violence," but it also includes avoiding mental and emotional harm.

But do we ever witness this Ahimsa among the followers of Hindutva, who have no issue with hurling threats to butcher and massacre millions of people who even stealthily slaughter cow or escape meat ban. Or do we witness it ever when minorities get manhandled brutally by a majority adhering to the teachings of Hindutva not Hinduism.

So is it high time for Hindu reformists to distance themselves from the toxic ideology of Hindutva or is it the right way for them to inculcate this dogma of Hindutva at expense of cardinal concepts of Hinduism like Ahimsa
Hindu+Ism & Hindu+Tva are two separate things. Neither qualify as religion but certainly Hinduism is politically imposed ideology by west. Let me explain you how. Ism as a suffix came only in early 19th century by British Indologists.‘Hindu’ or ‘Bharathiya’ practice isn’t confined to unidirectional act. The beauty of ‘Being Hindu’ lies in its the plurality & respectful node towards every Dharmic Way.The moment one tags ‘-Ism’ plurality is lost. To explain attached are architecture of 3 distinct practices in order as:

1)Deconstructivism
2)Modernism
3)Expressionism

It’s interesting that you talk of Hindu+tva with so much hate. Do you have an iota of understanding what it stands for. I don’t have a problem if western self mocked themselves while attributing ‘ism’ with Hindu but request not to try demean Hindi/Sanskrit words.We get ‘Hindutva’ when suffix ‘Tattva’ (तत्व) is added to Hindu. Tattva (/ˈtʌtvə/) is a Sanskrit word meaning 'thatness', 'principle', 'reality' or 'truth'. According to various Indian schools of philosophy, a tattva is an element or aspect of reality.
 
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Sanghis are very stupid and they give India a bad name.

India's reputation is going downhill day by day thanks to them. :inti
 
Pseudo seculars are S dangerous as radical Hindus.
Hinduism is a culture. It incorporates all major dharmic religions of India. It is pluralistic and has room for improvement and innovation. The ones that try to confine Hinduism in a box and set boundaries to it are the biggest threat to Hinduism. That includes both pseudo seculars and also hardline Hindus.
 

How India became Hindutva



A FEW days ago, I made the mistake of posting a simple question on X. I had just seen the Indian film Dhurandhar, which attempts to connect Karachi’s Lyari gang wars of the 1990s to the Mumbai terrorist attack many years later. My question was simple and legitimate: “Why are Indians so obsessed with Pakistan?” I posed the question out of genuine bafflement. Pakistan has been attacked by India numerous times, yet one would have to look incredibly hard to find Pakistani television or film media focus on proving Indian villainy. India, and Dhurandar is evidence of this, is utterly obsessed with presenting mono-dimensional characters of Pakistanis and of Muslims, all of whom seem to be intent on attacking India.

Unsurprisingly, the second I posed the question, the troll farms set about hurling insults of the worst kind at me. The level of vitriol in these comments was further evidence of nationalist anger. No Pakistani wakes up thinking about insulting random Indian columnists who write for Indian papers — the converse sadly is not true. I had also posed the question for a second reason: as those who have watched the film will notice, the film is well made. Bollywood filmmakers have made advances in cinematography, scriptwriting, the musical score, action sequences and production in general. How then can they be so retrogressive and backward in producing well-rounded characters if they are Muslim?


This time it is not Pakistanis alone who are fed up with such long productions of what is essentially Islamophobia. While the film is doing well in India — understandable given the kind of vitriolic anti-Pakistan narrative that is fed by the state to an entire generation — it has already been blocked in a number of Gulf countries. Given that millions of South Asians live in that region, this means that the film’s earnings have now been majorly hit. It appears that the state-driven narrative of animosity in India against Muslims might be getting in the way of the eagerness of many of its citizens to work in the Muslim countries of the Gulf. It is also likely that such actions will be repeated in the future as Pakistan increases its security presence in the Gulf.

How did India, once a secular and admired democracy, fall into such a deep pit of propaganda and historical mistruths? Some clues can be found in a dataset and article released by one of the few remaining esteemed and independent news sources in India. CERI-SciencesPo and The Caravan magazine — whose staff has faced harassment at the hands of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s supporters — released an incredible initiative titled ‘Seeing the Sangh: The RSS Project’. The initiative, which features an eye-opening map reveals how the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, which Modi has deceptively called “the largest NGO in the world” is actually “the largest far right network in history”.

How did India, once a secular and admired democracy, fall into such a deep pit of propaganda and historical mistruths?
The RSS along with its nasty propaganda against Muslims and minorities and its constant whetting of religious hatred has managed to become huge. The “RSS formally acknowledges only about three dozen affiliates, even though it is widely understood to coordinate a sprawling network,” ‘Seeing the Sangh’ explains. As is evident from the map, there are in fact a vast number of organisations in India that apparently do what the RSS wants — from organising mobs to lynch Muslims to developing campaigns to destroy mosques, to changing the names of cities and streets, to harassing ordinary Muslims to all manner of other hate-filled actions.

In the words of Christophe Jaffrelot, the research director at Sciences-Po in Paris and an esteemed scholar of South Asian history, “Hindutva is often equated with BJP, the Hindu nationalist party, but this ethno-religious movement has also developed deep roots in civil society since the creation of RSS in 1925. This dataset [on which the project is based], by revealing connections between the RSS, the mother organisation, and a myriad of more or less acknowledged subsidiaries which go much beyond what is known as the ‘Sangh Parivar’ (the RSS family), makes it very clear: extreme Hindu nationalist activists have reached out to almost every social and professional milieu. This network is not confined to India but is expanding globally thanks to the support of the diaspora, something this database captures also in great detail.”

Bollywood films are no exception to the rule. Nothing, it seems, happens in India today without the blessings and accommodation of the Hindutva mindset. It follows that even talented filmmakers who may have wished to make a more evolved film focused on story rather than propaganda have to produce slick and smartly produced garbage. If Dhurandhar did not have to fit into that box it could have competed with the best Hollywood film. But this is the story of India under Modi. Such is the toxic grip of Hindutva that potential and talent are being destroyed. Unfortunately, a large section of the Indian diaspora appears to have embraced Hindutva. This has led major US academic institutions like Rutgers and Stanford to focus on the poison being spread through this far right ideology.

The cost of hatred is that it eats a country whole from the inside. The ‘Seeing the Sangh’ map reveals just how this has happened in India. Even as a large section of Indians may be oblivious to the cost that the Modi regime has incurred, the rest of the world can see the tragedy clearly. Ironically, despite their general eagerness to underscore how awful all Pakistanis are — the Indian audience watching Dhurandar appears to have fallen in love not with the Indian spy character who roams Karachi for RAW but the character of Rehman Dakait. Whether they admit it consciously or not everyone knows a lie when they encounter one.



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How India became Hindutva



A FEW days ago, I made the mistake of posting a simple question on X. I had just seen the Indian film Dhurandhar, which attempts to connect Karachi’s Lyari gang wars of the 1990s to the Mumbai terrorist attack many years later. My question was simple and legitimate: “Why are Indians so obsessed with Pakistan?” I posed the question out of genuine bafflement. Pakistan has been attacked by India numerous times, yet one would have to look incredibly hard to find Pakistani television or film media focus on proving Indian villainy. India, and Dhurandar is evidence of this, is utterly obsessed with presenting mono-dimensional characters of Pakistanis and of Muslims, all of whom seem to be intent on attacking India.

Unsurprisingly, the second I posed the question, the troll farms set about hurling insults of the worst kind at me. The level of vitriol in these comments was further evidence of nationalist anger. No Pakistani wakes up thinking about insulting random Indian columnists who write for Indian papers — the converse sadly is not true. I had also posed the question for a second reason: as those who have watched the film will notice, the film is well made. Bollywood filmmakers have made advances in cinematography, scriptwriting, the musical score, action sequences and production in general. How then can they be so retrogressive and backward in producing well-rounded characters if they are Muslim?


This time it is not Pakistanis alone who are fed up with such long productions of what is essentially Islamophobia. While the film is doing well in India — understandable given the kind of vitriolic anti-Pakistan narrative that is fed by the state to an entire generation — it has already been blocked in a number of Gulf countries. Given that millions of South Asians live in that region, this means that the film’s earnings have now been majorly hit. It appears that the state-driven narrative of animosity in India against Muslims might be getting in the way of the eagerness of many of its citizens to work in the Muslim countries of the Gulf. It is also likely that such actions will be repeated in the future as Pakistan increases its security presence in the Gulf.

How did India, once a secular and admired democracy, fall into such a deep pit of propaganda and historical mistruths? Some clues can be found in a dataset and article released by one of the few remaining esteemed and independent news sources in India. CERI-SciencesPo and The Caravan magazine — whose staff has faced harassment at the hands of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s supporters — released an incredible initiative titled ‘Seeing the Sangh: The RSS Project’. The initiative, which features an eye-opening map reveals how the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, which Modi has deceptively called “the largest NGO in the world” is actually “the largest far right network in history”.


The RSS along with its nasty propaganda against Muslims and minorities and its constant whetting of religious hatred has managed to become huge. The “RSS formally acknowledges only about three dozen affiliates, even though it is widely understood to coordinate a sprawling network,” ‘Seeing the Sangh’ explains. As is evident from the map, there are in fact a vast number of organisations in India that apparently do what the RSS wants — from organising mobs to lynch Muslims to developing campaigns to destroy mosques, to changing the names of cities and streets, to harassing ordinary Muslims to all manner of other hate-filled actions.

In the words of Christophe Jaffrelot, the research director at Sciences-Po in Paris and an esteemed scholar of South Asian history, “Hindutva is often equated with BJP, the Hindu nationalist party, but this ethno-religious movement has also developed deep roots in civil society since the creation of RSS in 1925. This dataset [on which the project is based], by revealing connections between the RSS, the mother organisation, and a myriad of more or less acknowledged subsidiaries which go much beyond what is known as the ‘Sangh Parivar’ (the RSS family), makes it very clear: extreme Hindu nationalist activists have reached out to almost every social and professional milieu. This network is not confined to India but is expanding globally thanks to the support of the diaspora, something this database captures also in great detail.”

Bollywood films are no exception to the rule. Nothing, it seems, happens in India today without the blessings and accommodation of the Hindutva mindset. It follows that even talented filmmakers who may have wished to make a more evolved film focused on story rather than propaganda have to produce slick and smartly produced garbage. If Dhurandhar did not have to fit into that box it could have competed with the best Hollywood film. But this is the story of India under Modi. Such is the toxic grip of Hindutva that potential and talent are being destroyed. Unfortunately, a large section of the Indian diaspora appears to have embraced Hindutva. This has led major US academic institutions like Rutgers and Stanford to focus on the poison being spread through this far right ideology.

The cost of hatred is that it eats a country whole from the inside. The ‘Seeing the Sangh’ map reveals just how this has happened in India. Even as a large section of Indians may be oblivious to the cost that the Modi regime has incurred, the rest of the world can see the tragedy clearly. Ironically, despite their general eagerness to underscore how awful all Pakistanis are — the Indian audience watching Dhurandar appears to have fallen in love not with the Indian spy character who roams Karachi for RAW but the character of Rehman Dakait. Whether they admit it consciously or not everyone knows a lie when they encounter one.



Above articles is great, i fully agree with all of it,

@Rajdeep @cricketjoshila @Champ_Pal @JaDed @Devadwal @uppercut @Theanonymousone @straighttalk @Vikram1989 @RexRex @Varun @Romali_rotti @Bhaijaan
Ok good for you as all Indians care about tiktok opinions
 

How India became Hindutva



A FEW days ago, I made the mistake of posting a simple question on X. I had just seen the Indian film Dhurandhar, which attempts to connect Karachi’s Lyari gang wars of the 1990s to the Mumbai terrorist attack many years later. My question was simple and legitimate: “Why are Indians so obsessed with Pakistan?” I posed the question out of genuine bafflement. Pakistan has been attacked by India numerous times, yet one would have to look incredibly hard to find Pakistani television or film media focus on proving Indian villainy. India, and Dhurandar is evidence of this, is utterly obsessed with presenting mono-dimensional characters of Pakistanis and of Muslims, all of whom seem to be intent on attacking India.

Unsurprisingly, the second I posed the question, the troll farms set about hurling insults of the worst kind at me. The level of vitriol in these comments was further evidence of nationalist anger. No Pakistani wakes up thinking about insulting random Indian columnists who write for Indian papers — the converse sadly is not true. I had also posed the question for a second reason: as those who have watched the film will notice, the film is well made. Bollywood filmmakers have made advances in cinematography, scriptwriting, the musical score, action sequences and production in general. How then can they be so retrogressive and backward in producing well-rounded characters if they are Muslim?


This time it is not Pakistanis alone who are fed up with such long productions of what is essentially Islamophobia. While the film is doing well in India — understandable given the kind of vitriolic anti-Pakistan narrative that is fed by the state to an entire generation — it has already been blocked in a number of Gulf countries. Given that millions of South Asians live in that region, this means that the film’s earnings have now been majorly hit. It appears that the state-driven narrative of animosity in India against Muslims might be getting in the way of the eagerness of many of its citizens to work in the Muslim countries of the Gulf. It is also likely that such actions will be repeated in the future as Pakistan increases its security presence in the Gulf.

How did India, once a secular and admired democracy, fall into such a deep pit of propaganda and historical mistruths? Some clues can be found in a dataset and article released by one of the few remaining esteemed and independent news sources in India. CERI-SciencesPo and The Caravan magazine — whose staff has faced harassment at the hands of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s supporters — released an incredible initiative titled ‘Seeing the Sangh: The RSS Project’. The initiative, which features an eye-opening map reveals how the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, which Modi has deceptively called “the largest NGO in the world” is actually “the largest far right network in history”.


The RSS along with its nasty propaganda against Muslims and minorities and its constant whetting of religious hatred has managed to become huge. The “RSS formally acknowledges only about three dozen affiliates, even though it is widely understood to coordinate a sprawling network,” ‘Seeing the Sangh’ explains. As is evident from the map, there are in fact a vast number of organisations in India that apparently do what the RSS wants — from organising mobs to lynch Muslims to developing campaigns to destroy mosques, to changing the names of cities and streets, to harassing ordinary Muslims to all manner of other hate-filled actions.

In the words of Christophe Jaffrelot, the research director at Sciences-Po in Paris and an esteemed scholar of South Asian history, “Hindutva is often equated with BJP, the Hindu nationalist party, but this ethno-religious movement has also developed deep roots in civil society since the creation of RSS in 1925. This dataset [on which the project is based], by revealing connections between the RSS, the mother organisation, and a myriad of more or less acknowledged subsidiaries which go much beyond what is known as the ‘Sangh Parivar’ (the RSS family), makes it very clear: extreme Hindu nationalist activists have reached out to almost every social and professional milieu. This network is not confined to India but is expanding globally thanks to the support of the diaspora, something this database captures also in great detail.”

Bollywood films are no exception to the rule. Nothing, it seems, happens in India today without the blessings and accommodation of the Hindutva mindset. It follows that even talented filmmakers who may have wished to make a more evolved film focused on story rather than propaganda have to produce slick and smartly produced garbage. If Dhurandhar did not have to fit into that box it could have competed with the best Hollywood film. But this is the story of India under Modi. Such is the toxic grip of Hindutva that potential and talent are being destroyed. Unfortunately, a large section of the Indian diaspora appears to have embraced Hindutva. This has led major US academic institutions like Rutgers and Stanford to focus on the poison being spread through this far right ideology.

The cost of hatred is that it eats a country whole from the inside. The ‘Seeing the Sangh’ map reveals just how this has happened in India. Even as a large section of Indians may be oblivious to the cost that the Modi regime has incurred, the rest of the world can see the tragedy clearly. Ironically, despite their general eagerness to underscore how awful all Pakistanis are — the Indian audience watching Dhurandar appears to have fallen in love not with the Indian spy character who roams Karachi for RAW but the character of Rehman Dakait. Whether they admit it consciously or not everyone knows a lie when they encounter one.



Above articles is great, i fully agree with all of it,

@Rajdeep @cricketjoshila @Champ_Pal @JaDed @Devadwal @uppercut @Theanonymousone @straighttalk @Vikram1989 @RexRex @Varun @Romali_rotti @Bhaijaan

Ever since India became hijacked by the sanghis, they lost every single war (2019, 2021, and 2025), seceded land to China, became regionally and globally isolated, and became hated worldwide.

India is being self-destructive. :inti
 
The problem with India is it doesn't look like a small minority infested with radical Hindutva ideology, there seems to be way too many, perhaps because it's 1/6th of the world's population.

When a designated Terrorist butcher of 3000 people can be voted in by facist majority then you know where that country is headed. Hindutva radicalism, facism and terrorism will only eventually lead to India breaking into further pieces, it's bound to happen if a big section of them kept up with their deeply rooted hatefilled feels and tactics.

They can't make peace with facts that Muslim ruled them for generations, that I believe is their biggest grudge and is a forever haunting fact for them hence they will stay stuck with that inferiority complex for eternity. They are fine with brutal Europeans enslaving their forefathers for generations and looting them to core, but Muslims who built subcontinent and are the same people of the region with a different faith were and are apparently their problem.

They can't make peace with Muslim among them in large number, and they can't make peace with the fact that coexisting peacefully with the neighboring Muslim country is the only way to progress.

Bunch of delululs who think they are a modern day country while heavily infested with poverty hunger all kind of social and economical problem for a billion
 
The problem with India is it doesn't look like a small minority infested with radical Hindutva ideology, there seems to be way too many, perhaps because it's 1/6th of the world's population.

When a designated Terrorist butcher of 3000 people can be voted in by facist majority then you know where that country is headed. Hindutva radicalism, facism and terrorism will only eventually lead to India breaking into further pieces, it's bound to happen if a big section of them kept up with their deeply rooted hatefilled feels and tactics.

They can't make peace with facts that Muslim ruled them for generations, that I believe is their biggest grudge and is a forever haunting fact for them hence they will stay stuck with that inferiority complex for eternity. They are fine with brutal Europeans enslaving their forefathers for generations and looting them to core, but Muslims who built subcontinent and are the same people of the region with a different faith were and are apparently their problem.

They can't make peace with Muslim among them in large number, and they can't make peace with the fact that coexisting peacefully with the neighboring Muslim country is the only way to progress.

Bunch of delululs who think they are a modern day country while heavily infested with poverty hunger all kind of social and economical problem for a billion
You guys seriously need to stop preaching about peace. Everywhere you look, there are conflicts your neck-deep in.
You have issues with Christians in the West, you have issues with Jews in the Middle East, you have issues with Hindus and Sikhs in the subcontinent, and even your own Ahmadis and every other minority you can’t tolerate.

Stop lecturing other countries and look at yourselves in the mirror. There are around 55 Muslim countries, and most have collapsed massively due to extremism and terrorism(Except a few oil-rich nations and Turkey)

You’re talking about peace? Muslims can’t tolerate other religions and even live together in peace. From Somalia to Sudan, Nigeria to Mali, every Muslim-majority country infested with extremism and terrorism.

You are talking about peace… lol. You’d better stick to your Hindutva rants all day to soothe yourself.
 
You guys seriously need to stop preaching about peace. Everywhere you look, there are conflicts your neck-deep in.
You have issues with Christians in the West, you have issues with Jews in the Middle East, you have issues with Hindus and Sikhs in the subcontinent, and even your own Ahmadis and every other minority you can’t tolerate.

Stop lecturing other countries and look at yourselves in the mirror. There are around 55 Muslim countries, and most have collapsed massively due to extremism and terrorism(Except a few oil-rich nations and Turkey)

You’re talking about peace? Muslims can’t tolerate other religions and even live together in peace. From Somalia to Sudan, Nigeria to Mali, every Muslim-majority country infested with extremism and terrorism.

You are talking about peace… lol. You’d better stick to your Hindutva rants all day to soothe yourself.

That's why you run to numerous Muslim countries to seek bread and butter and a better living standard and live in those countries peacefully. Guess why it's peaceful in those countries?... O right because Western/Israeli illegal wars and terrorism hasn't spread in those places.

Go scream this propaganda islamophobic nonsense at all those millions of Indians lined up to get a visa to a bunch of Muslim countries for a better living than their third world nation. Don't get your feelings hurt over Hindudva facism, you elected a known terrorist butcher as your PM and hate runs deeply in your government and every sect of your society. Continue this path and India will be broken further
 
That's why you run to numerous Muslim countries to seek bread and butter and a better living standard and live in those countries peacefully. Guess why it's peaceful in those countries?... O right because Western/Israeli illegal wars and terrorism hasn't spread in those places.

Go scream this propaganda islamophobic nonsense at all those millions of Indians lined up to get a visa to a bunch of Muslim countries for a better living than their third world nation. Don't get your feelings hurt over Hindudva facism, you elected a known terrorist butcher as your PM and hate runs deeply in your government and every sect of your society. Continue this path and India will be broken further
told you about the hate they always spew,


He cant even name me a period of time wre the hindus actually didnt treat the minorities with any form of respect / tolerance.... he's gonna read me the point of views from the Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Moaists, etc

i know what hes gonna do hes gonna read from the hindu script to say everyone lived peacefully - never from the opposite side.
 

Saffron Terror and Hindutva Ideology​



There are few states where a person or community’s right to exist within a state’s territorial boundaries hinges on religious beliefs. In today’s India, minorities are increasingly forced to chant “Jai Shri Ram” or face violent consequences.

Samuel Huntington’s ideas may have seemed far-fetched to some in 1992 when he predicted future wars to be “not between countries, but between cultures.” Religion is a key factor in the cultural identity, and religious identity has become a powerful political force in state affairs and has sparked numerous identity-based interstate and intrastate conflicts throughout history. The resurgence of the commingling of politics and religion has had serious consequences in several countries and signals a shift towards a muscular majoritarian religiously inspired nationalist movements. We have recently witnessed the phenomena of religious nationalism in the Rohingya genocide, which is a series of persecutions of Muslims by the Myanmar military. Due to their distinct religious identity, over a million Rohingya people have been forced to escape their homeland and seek refuge in other countries. Similarly, in today’s “shining” India—the world’s “largest democracy”—inter-communal clashes over religion continue.

In recent history, a genocide perpetrated against minorities in India has been overshadowed by crimes against humanity elsewhere in the world. The major global powers appear to ignore the violence in India against minorities because of their strategic interests in the region and more importantly, India’s significant economic potential. Political violence in Kashmir, Assam, Gujarat, Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Manipur, Meghalaya, Mizoram, Nagaland, Tripura, and Sikkim illustrates the state’s worst repressive approaches towards minorities. The introduction of India’s New Citizenship Policy is blatant discrimination against the 172 million Muslims who constitute almost 14.6 percent of the population. Other minorities such as Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists, people from the scheduled castes – the lowest, including Dalits – and Adivasis – the Indigenous people of India – also live under constant fear.

India, Minorities, and RSS

The dramatic rise of religious nationalism in India is buttressed the right-wing extremist Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) Hindu nationalist movement. RSS, which literally means “national volunteer organization,” was founded on 27 September 1925 in Nagpur, India during the Hindu renaissance. The sevaks or volunteers of RSS aim to transform social, cultural, educational, labour, developmental, and political structures into their version of Hinduism. The founding members of RSS were besotted with Benito Mussolini’s fascist ideology and aimed to implement his same approach to eliminate religious minorities in India. RSS has abandoned the Indian national tricolour in favour of the saffron flag, known as bhagwa dhwaj. Saffron colour has become linked to RSS identity, and RSS sevaks revere the saffron flag. According to RSS ideology, all religions in India other than Hinduism are considered foreign religions, and their adherents should either leave the country or convert to Hinduism in order to achieve the Hindu renaissance.

The ruling Bhartiya Janata Party (BJP) acts as a political interface of RSS, which is allegedly “remaking the nation into one where some people count as more Indian than others.” As a result, violence against minorities is often referred to as state-sponsored terrorism. It is no coincidence that the persecution of minorities has increased since Narendra Modi’s ascension to the position of prime minister. Modi has been an RSS sevak and believes in the execution of Hindutva ideology – a belief that India should become an “only Hindu state.” It was Modi who allowed the Gujarat Pogrom in 2002 while he was chief minister, for which he was declared persona non grata in America and many European countries for many years until he became prime minister.

Under state patronage, saffron terror groups have become part of mainstream politics and influence national policy matters. These groups have revived Hindutva ideology in a systematic and brutal manner which has terrified India’s minorities, particularly Muslims and Christians. Advocates of Hindutva refer to themselves as Sangh Parivar, where Sangh refers to the movement and Parivar corresponds to the family. The Hindu nationalist organisations affiliated with RSS ideology identify with Sangh Parivar, including political parties like the BJP and militant religious organisations like Bajrang Dal. In today’s India, RSS sevaks regularly carry metal rods, cricket bats, and rocks to attack people in minority communities in the name of Hindutva or saffron terror.

Shining India under Saffron Terror

When minorities, particularly Muslims, are assaulted by saffron terrorists, they are often forced to recite “Jai Shri Ram,” a slogan raised for the glorification of Hindu lord Rama, or else are offered a life-or-death choice: to accept Hinduism as their religion or be killed. Such situations occur throughout India, whether in Assam’s Barpeta District or Mumbai’s crowded streets. The horrifying images of a photojournalist trampling the body of a Muslim man who had been killed by state police illustrate the state-sponsored brutality.

Even places of worship are not safe in today’s India. Many mosques, like Ayodhya which was constructed in the Mughal era, have been converted into temples. RSS militants have demolished churches or set them on fire. Union of Catholic Asian News reported that another church in Uttarakhand state was attacked by a mob of 200 radical Hindu nationalists on 10 September 2021. Even more worrisome is that this hatred transcends Indian borders. According to Amar Singh, president of Turbans 4 Australia, the whole Sikh community is concerned about increasing attacks by Hindu nationalists in Australian cities.

There are a few voices, like that of Arundhati Roy, who resist RSS fascist ideology, but the political effectiveness of Hindutva ideology has been imbued in the Indian constitution, thus leaving little space to counter RSS fascism. India has survived many challenges and serious crises since 1947. However, the rise of saffron terror and the renewed onslaught on minorities, if not checked, will prove to be far more devastating to the sovereignty of world’s largest democracy.
 
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