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Are Tim Southee and Trent Boult the best fast bowling duo in the world today?

Fastandfurious said:
Wahab has been in good form, hopefully it continues, Insha'Allah. Just need to continue feeding him confidence and I think Waqar has done that.
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Wahab needs to get his yorkers right even if the pace is reduced in doing so. Bowls way too short, too often.
The only legitimate delivery that guarantees a wicket or dot balls at worst.
 
Treat to watch. For once a bowler is as good in LOIs as he is in tests.

Those dismissals earlier today against England were just amazing.
 
Remarkable display of bowling by Southee.An absolute delight really...Completely Owned England.

7/33 with some cracking dismissals.
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Aman said:
That's what happens when you have bowlers play in conditions that don't suit them.

We all saw how ineffective the Aussies were in the UAE.
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Agree but to be a great bowler you will have to adjust in all conditions otherwise you will become a HTB. NZ attack was expect to at least bowl better than indians here.
 
Disappointed in Boult. Southee wasn't as good as Boult to begin with but 410/2. That is horrible bowling. Boult going for 5 an over
 
Strike Rate said:
Agree but to be a great bowler you will have to adjust in all conditions otherwise you will become a HTB. NZ attack was expect to at least bowl better than indians here.
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Other than Steyn, there are no great bowlers in world cricket.
 
Present Steyn will get hammered here by Warner and co. He is past his prime, and not the same bowler anymore.

Based on his body of work over the last 7-8 years, he is well ahead of every other fast bowler of this generation but at the moment, not so.
 
Mamoon said:
Present Steyn will get hammered here by Warner and co. He is past his prime, and not the same bowler anymore.

Based on his body of work over the last 7-8 years, he is well ahead of every other fast bowler of this generation but at the moment, not so.
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So there are no great bowlers in world cricket? What a shame =\
 
Aman said:
Other than Steyn, there are no great bowlers in world cricket.
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But tell me honestly you don'e expect NZ attack to bowl better than indian against aussies in aussie conditions? (i know pitches these days are not that good for pacers there but still NZ should do better)
 
Strike Rate said:
But tell me honestly you don'e expect NZ attack to bowl better than indian against aussies in aussie conditions? (i know pitches these days are not that good for pacers there but still NZ should do better)
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Yeah I did.

It's really disappointing, I never thought we'd go this bad.
 
Mamoon said:
Present Steyn will get hammered here by Warner and co. He is past his prime, and not the same bowler anymore.

Based on his body of work over the last 7-8 years, he is well ahead of every other fast bowler of this generation but at the moment, not so.
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Yet another example of you sitting on the fence in your typical chalaak fashion. If Steyn fails, you will be like i told you so. If Steyn succeeds you will be like told you he is the best bowler of this generation.
 
AlphaFighter said:
Yet another example of you sitting on the fence in your typical chalaak fashion. If Steyn fails, you will be like i told you so. If Steyn succeeds you will be like told you he is the best bowler of this generation.
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Hmm Savak, you need to cut the obsession with me. Anyone serious viewer can see that Steyn is declining, that doesn't mean however that he is now incapable of producing great spells, but he isn't the same as he was 2-3 years ago.

He has always struggled against Australia and on current form on such wickets, he is very likely to fail. That is all.
 
Hmm Savak, you need to cut the obsession with me.
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First of all, why are you calling me Savak?

Just because someone makes a frank observation about you which is that you happen to cleverly choose your words to sit on the fence so that you are in a position to act accordingly whichever way things go later on, means someone is obsessed with you? Seriously, get over yourself.

Anyone serious viewer can see that Steyn is declining, that doesn't mean however that he is now incapable of producing great spells, but he isn't the same as he was 2-3 years ago.
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He produced great spells 2-3 years ago right? And you are saying even though he is not the same bowler that he is 2-3 years ago, he is still capable of producing great spells? Make up your mind.

Lol, perfectly setting your self up for A steyn success or failure in Australia.

He has always struggled against Australia and on current form on such wickets, he is very likely to fail. That is all.
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He played a key role in their series win in Australia in 2008, he played a key role in the test victory in 2013 and ODI victories. I hardly call that struggling.

I will gladly bump this post of yours when Steyn wins South Africa a match in Australia before you come out with "I told you so, the guy is a class bowler".
 
AlphaFighter said:
First of all, why are you calling me Savak?

Just because someone makes a frank observation about you which is that you happen to cleverly choose your words to sit on the fence so that you are in a position to act accordingly whichever way things go later on, means someone is obsessed with you? Seriously, get over yourself.
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I don't care what others say, but I am not the only one who sees the visible similarities between you and Savak and how your return to PP has coincided with his two profiles getting banned. I generally have a good record in identifying dual accounts, perhaps you are just similar to him in then in your thought-process.

I am calling you out on your obsession because you have been following me around needlessly for the past two days and bringing up me in threads in which I haven't posted anything.

He produced great spells 2-3 years ago right? And you are saying even though he is not the same bowler that he is 2-3 years ago, he is still capable of producing great spells? Make up your mind.
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Which part do you not understand - yes he is still capable of some great spells, but he's not as consistent as he was 2-3 years ago. He picked during the early 2010s and but from the last year and a half or so, he doesn't seem to have the same bite in his bowling. His stats look good because he is still capable of producing that one great spell, but he goes missing more regularly now than he did in his peak.

He is increasingly becoming more and more injury prone and has himself said that he doesn't have many years left in the tank.

Lol, perfectly setting your self up for A steyn success or failure in Australia.



He played a key role in their series win in Australia in 2008, he played a key role in the test victory in 2013 and ODI victories. I hardly call that struggling.

I will gladly bump this post of yours when Steyn wins South Africa a match in Australia before you come out with "I told you so, the guy is a class bowler".
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His performance vs. Australia and England have been patchy and weak compared to his performances vs. other teams. He has not been dominant and destructive against them.

The fact that you are bringing ODIs to the table shows that you yourself can't think of many top spells by Steyn in Tests. Not setting myself up for anything - he might be retired by the time SA tour Australia again, and at the moment his bowling is not conductive to these surfaces because he is not quick enough and there is no lateral movement as well as no reverse-swing.

You need someone bowling thunderbolts with great accuracy like MJ in 2013-2014 to be successful on these pitches. They are terrible for pacers.
 
southee is a club level bowler with no pace. trend boult is good domestic bowler. Both are definately not international standard fast bowlers. massively overrated!!
 
How confident , sober , humble and mature is Tim southee in the commentary box ?

Our players need to learn.
 
in_cutter said:
Trent Boult is down 10kph in pace. What happened?
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I'm guessing he's bowling within himself for accuracy, he was bowling quicker in the second spell.

Consistently around 135-137.
 
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[MENTION=131603]pacesensation[/MENTION]


Lachie Ferguson is Fast (Not Express)


He may be quicker than Nz's Jaccob Duffey & Jamieson.


He looks as quick as Hamesh Bennett. And looks only slower than Adam Milne who is Express Fast Bowler.



Here is a Video of Lachie who in my view will soon Debut for NZ team. He is 25 and had an excellent Fc Season Last Year. He broke Mark Craig's hand with a Beamer.


http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/...en-hand-after-hit-by-beamer-in-plunket-shield
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
[MENTION=131603]pacesensation[/MENTION]


Lachie Ferguson is Fast (Not Express)


He may be quicker than Nz's Jaccob Duffey & Jamieson.


He looks as quick as Hamesh Bennett. And looks only slower than Adam Milne who is Express Fast Bowler.



Here is a Video of Lachie who in my view will soon Debut for NZ team. He is 25 and had an excellent Fc Season Last Year. He broke Mark Craig's hand with a Beamer.


http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/...en-hand-after-hit-by-beamer-in-plunket-shield
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very beautiful action

Saw abit of mcdonald in him, when he reaches the crease and takes the bowl to his chest.

Yeah, he is about 138 to 147kph kinda fast. With an occasional 150k delivery
 
pacesensation said:
very beautiful action

Saw abit of mcdonald in him, when he reaches the crease and takes the bowl to his chest.

Yeah, he is about 138 to 147kph kinda fast. With an occasional 150k delivery
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Yes. Should be in the Test Squad ahead of Doug Bracewell.

Not Sure whether He is Capable of Hitting 150kph. Looks Fast. Good Runup & Good Action & Follow through.
 
If New Zealand play Lachie Ferguson in place of injured Boult than it will test our batting lineup further. He is Fast.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
[MENTION=131603]pacesensation[/MENTION]


Lachie Ferguson is Fast (Not Express)


He may be quicker than Nz's Jaccob Duffey & Jamieson.


He looks as quick as Hamesh Bennett. And looks only slower than Adam Milne who is Express Fast Bowler.



Here is a Video of Lachie who in my view will soon Debut for NZ team. He is 25 and had an excellent Fc Season Last Year. He broke Mark Craig's hand with a Beamer.


http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/...en-hand-after-hit-by-beamer-in-plunket-shield
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Well 9 months later He definitely is Express now. As Fast as Milne.

Unlike Wahab & Starc and just like Milne his Average Pace is above 91 , 92 mph. Something only Milne managed in an Odi vs Pakistan in UAE.


Great for the game. Well done NZC
 
http://www.news.com.au/sport/cricke...p/news-story/e023055c2ff27449c23229508a279139

It emerged during Australia’s seven-wicket win in Adelaide that Hazlewood and Starc are the most lethal opening bowling partnership in the history of Test cricket.
After South Africa was knocked over for 259 in the first innings of the Third Test, Hazlewood and Starc — as unlikely as it seems — stood clear above every opening bowling partnership to ever play Test cricket.
When bowling with the new ball at the top of an innings as a tandem act, Starc and Hazlewood claim more scalps per ball bowled than every legendary pairing in the game’s history — with a minimum of 100 Test dismissals between them.
ABC Grandstand cricket statistics wizard Ric Finlay pointed out during the Adelaide Test after South Africa’s first innings that Hazlewood and Starc have taken a wicket between them every 40.81 deliveries.
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And they often play on flat wickets
 
New Zealand pace spearhead and stand-in skipper Tim Southee on Thursday became the second-highest wicket-taker in men's Twenty20 Internationals. Southee (99 wickets) achieved the milestone when he dismissed Bangladesh batsman Mosaddek Hossain in the third and final T20I on Thursday. The New Zealand pacer had 96 wickets under his belt before the third T20I and he needed three more to leapfrog former Pakistan skipper Shahid Afridi in achieving the feat.

Southee hit the bullseye and scalped three to become the second highest wicket-taker in men's T20Is. Sri Lanka legend Lasith Malinga is still the leading wicket-taker with 107 scalps under his belt.

Interestingly, Malinga is also the only bowler to have taken more than 100 wickets in the shortest format of the game.

Only Afghanistan spinner Rashid Khan (95) and Shakib Al Hasan (92) are from the current lot of players who are near Southee's feat.

In the third T20I, Todd Astle and Southee ran through Bangladesh's batting line-up to help the hosts win the final T20I by 65 runs on Thursday.

Some sensational hitting from the New Zealand openers powered them to 141/4 after the game was reduced to 10-overs-per-side. Bangladesh was then restricted to 76 all out, giving the hosts a fine series sweep.

Chasing 142 for a win in the dead rubber, Bangladesh never looked comfortable as they lost two wickets in the first over, thanks to brilliant bowling from skipper Southee.

Mohammad Naim did play his shots but his stint at the crease was short.

With Naim's wicket in the fourth over, Astle ran through the Bangladesh middle-order and did not allow any batsman to get to the double-digit mark as he finished with four wickets.

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/new...nd-highest-wicket-taker-in-mens-t20is-2404253
 
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Boult-Southee are like an all-format Anderson-Broad. They have been the most consistent pace bowling duo in the last decade or so. Played all formats with minimum injuries while taking a boatload of wickets.

For me, their names have to be included among the greatest fast-bowlers of the modern era. Not because they are unplayable or lightening quick. But because they are consistently good or great and almost always play an integral role in their side's victories.

New Zealand's rise from a lowly ranked mediocre side to a top-tier world-beater side could not have been possible without these two. It's a shame they are not talked about enough because they aren't Australian, Indian or English.
 
Not young anymore but they are still a formidable team. Boult is exciting in particular and so is ferguson.
 
Southee claims his 12th 5-fer in this 1st Test against England, outstanding bowling. These 2 aren't stopping any time soon.
 
Southee has been brilliant in last 3-4 years. Boult has gone downward since that 2019 WC final.

Both NZ greats nevertheless and should pair alongside Hadlee and Bond as 4-men pace attack in NZ all time XI with Vettori being a spinner.
 
For me Cummins and Hazlewood duo is the best fast bowling pair in world cricket considering everything, their records, fitness etc.
 
They are an excellent new ball pairing. Although Southee has been a real world class bowler the past 3 years where as Boult has dipped in that time.
 
Who is New Zealand's best pacer at the moment?

There is no doubt that NZ has got arguably one of the best pace attacks in the world.

But who is the best pacer they have got?

Tim Southee 309 wkts, AVG 28
Trent Boult 281 wkts, AVG 28
Neil Wagner 222 wkts, AVG 26

Discuss!
 
Trent Boult. He is an all-format bowler. 8/10

Tim Southee has been outstanding in last few years. So, a 7.5/10

Neil Wagner is 7/10 but still very good.
 
They are the best swing bowling duo for sure. No pair can swing the kookaburra like these two do in World cricket. Alzarri/Holder and Jimmy/random english bowler dont get the same swing with the kookaburra as they do with the Dukes.
 
Veteran pacer Tim Southee bagged the jackpot wicket of Pakistani batter Babar Azam in New Zealand's meeting with Pakistan in the ongoing ICC World T20 2021 at the Sharjah Cricket Stadium on Tuesday. One of the finest pacers in the modern era of the sport across all formats, pace ace Southee has also entered his name in an elite list by getting the better of Pakistan captain.

Southee outsmarted Azam by bowling a slower one in the fifth over of Pakistan's innings at the famous Sharjah Cricket Stadium. Azam, who powered Pakistan to a remarkable win over Team India, was beaten for lack of pace as the middle stump was knocked over by Southee's slower delivery. With Azam taking a long way back to the pavilion and Southee drawing first blood for New Zealand, the Kiwi pacer managed to achieve a personal milestone in world cricket.

Southee bagged his 100th T20I wicket by getting the better of Azam in the low-scoring thriller at Sharjah. The senior New Zealand fast bowler has become the third bowler to take 100 wickets in all three formats of the game. The former New Zealand skipper has joined the likes of Sri Lankan legend Lasith Malinga and veteran Bangladesh all-rounder Shakib Al Hasan in the elite list.

The 32-year-old has played 79 Test matches, 143 One Day Internationals (ODI), and 83 T20Is for the Black Caps. The Kiwi outswinger has taken 314 wickets in Tests, 190 in ODIs, and 100 in T20Is for the Black Caps. The New Zealander made his T20I debut against former world champions England at Eden Park in 2008.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...th-100th-wicket-in-t20is-icc-world-t20/826848
 
Southee's wicket of Malan at Abu Dhabi:

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They’ve looked fantastic at Lord’s.

A proper swing bowling pair.
 
Hat-trick for Southee! His second one in T20Is. (vs India in 2nd T20I)
 
MenInG said:
Hat-trick for Southee! His second one in T20Is. (vs India in 2nd T20I)
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Joins an elite group!

Bowlers with more than one T20I hat-trick:

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Tim Southee &#55356;&#56819;&#55356;&#56831;
 
MenInG said:
Joins an elite group!

Bowlers with more than one T20I hat-trick:

Lasith Malinga
Tim Southee
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Video of hattrick

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Colored kit era great bowling pairs
McGrath & Lee
Steyn & Morkel
Wasim & Waqar
Broad & Anderson
Ambrose and Walsh
Southee and Boult
 
Tim Southee is the first player to reach the milestone of 300 (347*) Test wickets, 200 (202*) ODI wickets and 100 (134*) T20I wickets.

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Thought this was a good toiling performance from Southee, on a very flat pitch, to dismiss Pakistan’s talented middle order of Babar, Saud and Salman. Stepping up as captain and with much improved lines and lengths from the latter part of the England series. There’s life in the old dog yet.
 
James said:
Thought this was a good toiling performance from Southee, on a very flat pitch, to dismiss Pakistan’s talented middle order of Babar, Saud and Salman. Stepping up as captain and with much improved lines and lengths from the latter part of the England series. There’s life in the old dog yet.
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If Southee maintains his fitness then I reckon he will have Anderson like career.
 
They were just been a year or so unfortunately they are not anymore. Sad to see these legends fade away but fast bowling in international is quite dead at the moment. It’s hard to say even one bowler who is at the top of his game except maybe Shaheen if he didn’t get injured. Finding a pair is close to impossible.
 
Tim Southee became the first bowler to breach the 150-wicket barrier in T20Is on Friday at Eden Park, Auckland.

Veteran New Zealand pacer Tim Southee completed 150 wickets in the shortest format, becoming the first bowler in Men's T20Is to reach the milestone.

Southee achieved the feat on Friday in Auckland during the first T20I against Pakistan, where he claimed figures of 4/25 in his four-over spell.

Abbas Afridi was Southee's 150th victim in T20Is. The New Zealand quick was the third to get to 100 T20I wickets behind Shakib Al Hasan and Lasith Malinga.


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Southee, who made his T20I debut in 2008, currently has 746 international wickets, including over 350 in the longest format of the game.

The New Zealand seamer was in good form at Eden Park, dismissing Mohammad Rizwan, Iftikhar Ahmed, Abbas Afridi and Haris Rauf as Pakistan attempted to chase 228.

New Zealand won by 46 runs to take a 1-0 lead in the series. The next T20I will be played on Sunday in Hamilton.

ICC
 
They have passed their prime but I would still say they are the best in the world right now. Their left right combo makes it even more challenging for batters.
 
2/19 from the veteran today, i think he made the wicket look a lot more difficult than it really was.
 
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