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Are we putting cricket in danger by not creating a balance between bat and ball?

ritzy_123

ritzy_123

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I personally feel bowlers will stop working hard after a while when in every other game there will be a run fest.

Rules such as two new balls, one bouncer per over, short boundaries etc.

There was a time when the matches with 270 280 used to be very competitive but now most of the times we see every team wants to bat 2nd so they can chase the total easily.
 
Too much in favor of the batsmen.

We thought there wasn't much balance in the 2015 WC... Wait till this WC gets started.

Need to get rid of the two new balls at least.

358 being chased with ease shouldn't even be a thing.

Games like this need to go into the last over.

It's almost as if England was chasing 259 not 359.
 
Chokli said:
Too much in favor of the batsmen.

We thought there wasn't much balance in the 2015 WC... Wait till this WC gets started.

Need to get rid of the two new balls at least.

358 being chased with ease shouldn't even be a thing.

Games like this need to go into the last over.

It's almost as if England was chasing 259 not 359.
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Yeah it looked like 259 but we didn't field well too
 
When Pakistan scored 358, hey its a great batting performance.

When England overhaul it with ease, hey the cricket is boring and too many balls going over the ropes.

Make up your mind guys.

Do u think if balance was there, Pakistan would end up with 358 in the first place?
 
Well nowadys 300 is the minimum and 350 about par. Specially in ENG but our so called experts still think 250 is a good score and you need to drop anchor.
 
There should have been a huge red flag when Pakistan scored 350 and snail pace Imam ul Haq scored at 120 SR.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
When Pakistan scored 358, hey its a great batting performance.

When England overhaul it with ease, hey the cricket is boring and too many balls going over the ropes.

Make up your mind guys.

Do u think if balance was there, Pakistan would end up with 358 in the first place?
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Brother if we minus Pakistan still we're seeing these type of scores so do not just mix it with Pakistan
 
ritzy_123 said:
I personally feel bowlers will stop working hard after a while when in every other game there will be a run fest.

Rules such as two new balls, one bouncer per over, short boundaries etc.

There was a time when the matches with 270 280 used to be very competitive but now most of the times we see every team wants to bat 2nd so they can chase the total easily.
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Rubbish, Not cricket At all. This is not an even contest.
 
What's more mind boggling is our captain is batting as if he was trying to save a Test match.

He used up 5.4 overs worth of balls for 27 runs.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
When Pakistan scored 358, hey its a great batting performance.

When England overhaul it with ease, hey the cricket is boring and too many balls going over the ropes.

Make up your mind guys.

Do u think if balance was there, Pakistan would end up with 358 in the first place?
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Pakistan cant compete on roads. We need something in it for the bowlers, even a little bit in the pitch is enough. Wickets were 270 is par.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
When Pakistan scored 358, hey its a great batting performance.

When England overhaul it with ease, hey the cricket is boring and too many balls going over the ropes.

Make up your mind guys.

Do u think if balance was there, Pakistan would end up with 358 in the first place?
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Pakistan's bowling got exposed here. Without Shahdab and Amir we are suffering. 358 could have been defended with a slightly better bowling attack.
 
I think Pak sensed they were below par when Sarfaraz was at the crease playing his agricultural shots. They knew they weren’t going to make enough. Asif Ali 35-40 ball 50 should have been a 80+ score at 50 balls. Imam played out of his depth so cant fault him.
 
cricketAXEpert said:
Pakistan's bowling got exposed here. Without Shahdab and Amir we are suffering. 358 could have been defended with a slightly better bowling attack.
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Pakistan needs definitely a better bowling attack plus proper spinners too we opted for Yasir Shah we should have selected Umer Khan what worst he could've done here in this series
 
Rana said:
I think Pak sensed they were below par when Sarfaraz was at the crease playing his agricultural shots. They knew they weren’t going to make enough. Asif Ali 35-40 ball 50 should have been a 80+ score at 50 balls. Imam played out of his depth so cant fault him.
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Any team could have defended this total. Our bowlers are bowling machines, they bowl on same areas without even making batsmen guessing what is coming up next.

Also, fielding has been pathetic so far. If teams like India score 300, they make it 330 by saving 30 runs in the field. But in Pakistan it works other way around, if Pak scored 358, our fielders made sure it is only 300 by sloppy fielding and dropping catches.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
Any team could have defended this total. Our bowlers are bowling machines, they bowl on same areas without even making batsmen guessing what is coming up next.

Also, fielding has been pathetic so far. If teams like India score 300, they make it 330 by saving 30 runs in the field. But in Pakistan it works other way around, if Pak scored 358, our fielders made sure it is only 300 by sloppy fielding and dropping catches.
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Yes fielding was rubbish today but still we need some sort of a balance between bat and ball. We cannot deny the fact as pitches are rubbish too commentators kept saying it seems like 350 will be a par score in the world cup
 
If Pakistan batting line up is scoring 350+ in 2 successive ODIs against the number 1 side in the world . . you know the balance is horrible wrong!

It's just not fun to watch . . its literally like stick cricket . . bowlers come to get hit . . I am not saying Pak bowled particularly well . but then England also got smashed for 350+ in 2 games . . so yea . . ICC needs to do something about this! It is becoming the norm now . .
 
NauV said:
If Pakistan batting line up is scoring 350+ in 2 successive ODIs against the number 1 side in the world . . you know the balance is horrible wrong!

It's just not fun to watch . . its literally like stick cricket . . bowlers come to get hit . . I am not saying Pak bowled particularly well . but then England also got smashed for 350+ in 2 games . . so yea . . ICC needs to do something about this! It is becoming the norm now . .
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Yes that's the point I'm trying to make if we even exclude Pakistan today we're seeing these type of scores quite frequently now and as a fan it is quite frustrating
 
This was nothing, in the 75 WC England chased down Canada's runs in less than 14 overs.
 
Pakistan has no chance of winning any game let alone the World Cup if we play on pitches like. The only albeit a slight one chance we have of wining ODI games if they are played on sporting pitches which gives a chance to our bowlers. I am so mad to see these phatta pitches as I thought games in England will be an even battle between bat and bowl but so far it seems this is not going to be the case.
 
ritzy_123 said:
I personally feel bowlers will stop working hard after a while when in every other game there will be a run fest.

Rules such as two new balls, one bouncer per over, short boundaries etc.

There was a time when the matches with 270 280 used to be very competitive but now most of the times we see every team wants to bat 2nd so they can chase the total easily.
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cricket is already in danger, I dont feel like watching cricket knowing it would be a run fest, it is kind of boring now
 
Bowling quality isn't good. Honestly if you bring back peak McGrath on to these pitches of England, he will still outclass everyone.
 
If the bowling isn't working then the only solution going forward is playing all rounders instead of specialist bowlers, at least you would be able to put on big totals enough to defend, or chase big totals with a lengthy batting line up.
 
Mercurial said:
If the bowling isn't working then the only solution going forward is playing all rounders instead of specialist bowlers, at least you would be able to put on big totals enough to defend, or chase big totals with a lengthy batting line up.
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That's exactly how other teams are playing these days. Teams nowadays prefer to chase 9 out of 10 times unless the pitch is really dry however chasing has always been our Achilles-heels and no depth in the batting makes it even harder for us to chase. Most of the games we have lost in the last 2 years have been down to our lower middle order where we have failed to finish games. The last game that we lost would have been won by any other team from that position but our lower middle order failed us yet again.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
When Pakistan scored 358, hey its a great batting performance.

When England overhaul it with ease, hey the cricket is boring and too many balls going over the ropes.

Make up your mind guys.

Do u think if balance was there, Pakistan would end up with 358 in the first place?
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:))

True.
 
Stop crying. The conditions are the same for every team. Other teams are adapting, we aren't.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
When Pakistan scored 358, hey its a great batting performance.

When England overhaul it with ease, hey the cricket is boring and too many balls going over the ropes.

Make up your mind guys.

Do u think if balance was there, Pakistan would end up with 358 in the first place?
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I thought there's no balance even when Pakistan made 350. Hell I've thought there has been no balance since the last world cup when Pakistan couldn't score 300 even against the likes of Zimbabwe.
 
Hasan123 said:
Stop crying. The conditions are the same for every team. Other teams are adapting, we aren't.
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This thread is not about us and them. It is about ODIs as a whole. There hasn't been a balance between bat and ball for a long time.
 
Mercurial said:
Bowling quality isn't good. Honestly if you bring back peak McGrath on to these pitches of England, he will still outclass everyone.
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McGraths 80mph line and length on these wickets will be smashed over midwicket with ease bowlers have never had it tougher in ODIs.
 
There's no seam and swing and little turn for the spinners can't blame the bowlers if they end up going on strike for unfair playing conditions.
 
NauV said:
If Pakistan batting line up is scoring 350+ in 2 successive ODIs against the number 1 side in the world . . you know the balance is horrible wrong!

It's just not fun to watch . . its literally like stick cricket . . bowlers come to get hit . . I am not saying Pak bowled particularly well . but then England also got smashed for 350+ in 2 games . . so yea . . ICC needs to do something about this! It is becoming the norm now . .
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Exactly. That is why I prefer test cricket to ODIs nowadays since the test game is much more balanced, most times, you know a breakthrough could happen anytime. ODIs have basically become an extended T20 game. People want to see wickets falling as well as runs being scored.
 
Taking reverse swing almost out of the ODI format with two new balls was a big mistake from ICC in my opinion. Even if wickets would have been flat reverse swing still would have kept pacers in the game which isnt the case anymore.
 
Something needs to be done about this after the WC. ICC needs to replace the kookaburra with a duke. 2 new balls for the whole 50 overs needs to be scrapped, have 2 new balls until the 30th over then let the bowling side choose which ball to continue with. Something needs to be done about pitches as well, maybe they can start assigning ratings like they do in tests, multiple strikes and that ground is suspended from international matches for a certain amount of time.
 
aloo paratha said:
This thread is not about us and them. It is about ODIs as a whole. There hasn't been a balance between bat and ball for a long time.
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Yes I agree there is a lack of balance between bat and ball. But I don't think this will be the case for all of the WC anyway.

But the only reason it's being discussed so much is because it is effecting Pakistan. Every team has this issue but I haven't seen as many other teams complain as much as our fans are today. We just need to adapt and move with the times.
 
Its depressing whats happened to ODI cricket. Only Test cricket remains where quality bowling gets rewarded.
 
ritzy_123 said:
Exactly stop being blind we're talking cricket everything is not in terms of Pakistan
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The only reason this is being talked about is because is affecting Pakistan. It has been an issue for years why bring it up as soon as Pakistan cant defend 359? :))
 
This is why for crybabies like you, we play our cricket in UAE. Enjoy the quality cricket UAE pitches provides once the WC is over.
 
Make boundaries 70 metres minimum. Ditch 2 balls rule. Use Dukes. Bring balance in pitches - make them 65-35 in batsmen’s favour.

I don’t know why ICC is hell bent on killing the art of bowling. Kids growing in this era wouldn’t want to be bowlers down the line. If a poor batting line up of Pak can score 350 plus twice in a row - there’s something seriously wrong.
 
Hasan123 said:
Stop crying. The conditions are the same for every team. Other teams are adapting, we aren't.
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You mean our bowling isn't adapting right?
Coz we just made 350+ twice in two matches. So our batting has clearly adapted so far.
 
The game of ODI cricket as we know it or knew it is dead. A combination of T20 style batting, ridiculous bat friendly rules, modern bats, shorter boundaries, etc has completely changed the game. Test cricket is changing too but the rate for OD cricket change has been much greater.

Something that I have noticed lately: we talk and complain a lot about our batting still living in the 80s and 90s, and our batsmen not moving on with the times and adapting the faster SRs of today, but something else that has escaped our attention completely is the failure of our bowlers, pace bowlers in particular to evolve. We have utterly lost or ignored the art of new ball bowling which is so important now. Our bowlers seem to be one trick ponies, relying entirely on reverse swing. They do not have the diverse skills such as slower balls, cutters, bouncers, wide Yorkers, knuckle balls, etc required of today’s bowlers on such pitches... look at our SR in the first ten overs of ODIs lately. It’s pathetic.

Our batting and fielding was always lagging behind but now our bowling is as well.
 
Hasan123 said:
The only reason this is being talked about is because is affecting Pakistan. It has been an issue for years why bring it up as soon as Pakistan cant defend 359? :))
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Check Ramiz Speaks before this match and tell him the same thing.. If you think you're right you cannot be right all the time :)
 
It is not new. Australia was exactly in the same position 4 years back. They had players who had Phd on playing pattas. But even slightest hint of movement bothered them. They rolled out flat decks and laughed all the way to win the cup.
 
Well Cricket has been like this for a while now. I remember in 2013 in the India, Australia series 360 was being chased easily. This is not completely knew. I was 100% confident that the wickets in England for this series and the World Cup will be like these. England's strength is batting and they will want to maximise the advantage. They have Mark Wood, Jofra Archer and the two spinners who will make sure that the opposition don't go too high and their batters can chase anything the opposition can set.

Also the two new balls isn't helping either as the ball does not have enough wear and tear for the bowlers to reverse in the final 10 overs. So everything has been taken away from the bowlers for a while now.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
You mean our bowling isn't adapting right?
Coz we just made 350+ twice in two matches. So our batting has clearly adapted so far.
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Yes our bowling hasn't adapted. But our fan base still hasn't adapted to modern day conditions. Flat pitches are here to stay . So instead of complaining about them , we need to be talking about how we can improve on such pitches.

Also I would not be doing banghra over the batting yet. On yesterday's pitch we should have scored closer to 400.
 
ritzy_123 said:
Check Ramiz Speaks before this match and tell him the same thing.. If you think you're right you cannot be right all the time :)
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Ramiz is entitled to his opinion. Just like I am. I don't need to listen to Ramiz to form my opinion.
 
Hasan123 said:
Yes I agree there is a lack of balance between bat and ball. But I don't think this will be the case for all of the WC anyway.

But the only reason it's being discussed so much is because it is effecting Pakistan. Every team has this issue but I haven't seen as many other teams complain as much as our fans are today. We just need to adapt and move with the times.
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Well that's because this forum is mainly Pakistani. Go on Reddit and you see people from every country complaining about it. Even some English posters feel this way.
 
aloo paratha said:
Well that's because this forum is mainly Pakistani. Go on Reddit and you see people from every country complaining about it. Even some English posters feel this way.
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They are legitimate complainants. But these pitches are here to stay. We need to stop complaining about them and find ways to adapt to them.

These big scores are hardly chased yet look at how easily England chased it down. Our bowling attack is more of a issue than how flat the pitches are.
 
I may be in minority when I say this, but whats the issue if scores are getting to 350? What if its a product of batsmen being better? Does the argument still stand when Pakistan gets shot out for 200 and the opposition chases it down with ease? Does the pitch come into play then or is it only when runs are being scored?

I believe in this day and age of cricket the batsmen are much more willing to take a risk and know which balls they can score runs off of. For bowlers the margin of error has decreased to the point where if you miss your length or line by even a fraction, a good batsmen will put you away.
 
sure, maybe the balance is not great right now. but the conditions are the same for everyone.
 
It's getting boring and draining seeing games like yesterday, big scores being chased down with ease.
 
I cannot put in words how much i hate the two new balls and small boundaries
 
Exactly,
2 ball rule should be reserved to one, if the ball color changes use pink balls.
Powerplay should shorten.
 
I watch/ed cricket to see the even battle between bat and ball and not the joke that is being played in England. And before people say that I am being biased as Pakistan was on the losing end of the two games I want to state clearly that losing or winning is part of the game but the balance between bat & ball is the art of the game which is so much more important than just Pakistan. Do remember what we did to field hockey with all the rule changes that today it's almost unwatchable. I hope and pray that cricket doesn't go the same.
 
Too many things need to be done to bring back the balance in ODIs.

End D/N matches.
Red balls
70 meters boundaries all around the world.
No DWL method, matches should be drawn or NR in case of rain etc.
1 ball/inning
No PP at any stage.
 
Honestly at the very least I feel we can have pitch diversity. So everyone gets what they like. For example in a 5 match series 2 can be flat, 1 can be normal, and 2 can be green/slow. This way everyone gets to see what they want. Like I remember in the last world cup my two favorite games were low scoring that NZ vs Aus in the groupstage and Pak vs SA. Both games were great to watch but on the flip there were also some really high scoring and moderate scoring games so everyone gets too view what they enjoy.
 
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