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Too soon to tell. Its only been a few days. Unfortunately some shameless people are trying use the rape of a women to score cheap political points.
It has always happened. PTI politicians and the PTI youth brigade, aka cult-followers themselves have led the way when it comes to politicizing tragedies and scoring cheap political points.
The greatest example is the rape and murder of that little girl Zainab in January 2018. Even on PP, the PTI youth brigade who are crying now were scoring political points back then.
That's mentality of whole nation, let me remind you that those disgusting human rights activists like Waqas Goraya and Bhainsa (who work with your patwari PMLN social media team) called Zainab's father an establishment's agent and defended Shahbaz taking mic away from her father because establishment had asked Zainab's father to attack PMLN government.
Yahan koi haaji nahi hai, i think CCPO's statement was very stupid and shows overall mentality of society. Should he be critcised for that? Of course yes but should he be sacked for insensitive statement? I don't think that achieves anything.
If people want to know what REAL victim blaming is like then listen to champion democrat who some pple adore and love "Rana Sanaullah". While defending gang rape by PMLN MNA Mian Farooq's sons, Rana said "woh khud un k saath mauj masti kar rahi thi". On murder (possible rape) of another PMLN worker Sammia, Rana said "Uska character hi aisa tha".
This is not whataboutery but a reminder to pretenders who act as if they are champions of morality. CCPO's comments were extremely stupid but NOTHING to compared to PMLN leader and CCPO isn't even PTI rep but a government servant.
That's mentality of whole nation, let me remind you that those disgusting human rights activists like Waqas Goraya and Bhainsa (who work with your patwari PMLN social media team) called Zainab's father an establishment's agent and defended Shahbaz taking mic away from her father because establishment had asked Zainab's father to attack PMLN government.
Yahan koi haaji nahi hai, i think CCPO's statement was very stupid and shows overall mentality of society. Should he be critcised for that? Of course yes but should he be sacked for insensitive statement? I don't think that achieves anything.
If people want to know what REAL victim blaming is like then listen to champion democrat who some pple adore and love "Rana Sanaullah". While defending gang rape by PMLN MNA Mian Farooq's sons, Rana said "woh khud un k saath mauj masti kar rahi thi". On murder (possible rape) of another PMLN worker Sammia, Rana said "Uska character hi aisa tha".
This is not whataboutery but a reminder to pretenders who act as if they are champions of morality. CCPO's comments were extremely stupid but NOTHING to compared to PMLN leader and CCPO isn't even PTI rep but a government servant.
Too soon to tell. Its only been a few days. Unfortunately some shameless people are trying use the rape of a women to score cheap political points.
They have once again proved themselves and the most incompetent and shameless government in Pakistan’s history.
They way they have protected the CCPO has been nothing but disgusting.
These street urchins are only good for abusing, insulting and throwing accusations without proof.
Imran Khan made a lot of tall claims over police reforms. All of those tall claims have proved to be hot air.
They cannot even decide on who should lead Punjab police. They have gone through 6 IGs in two years.
Looks like the military will have to takeover the police as well.
We demand Imran Khan’s resignation.
Is Punjab under PTI administration currently?
No. The CCPO should have bee fired on the spot after making a ridiculous statement.
PML-N leader Malik Mohammad Ahmed Khan on Saturday filed a petition in the Lahore High Court (LHC) seeking to submit additional documents in an earlier petition challenging the appointment of Lahore Capital City Police Officer (CCPO) Umer Sheikh, who recently landed in hot water after his remarks shifting blame on the motorway gang-rape victim caused an uproar.
Ahmed is seeking the court's approval to submit additional evidence in the primary petition filed by him on Wednesday that challenged the Punjab government's decision to remove Shoaib Dastagir from the post of inspector general of police after he developed differences with the Lahore CCPO.
Ahmed's first petition in the LHC argued that pre-mature transfers in the police force violated the Police Order (2002) and the Punjab government's rules of business.
The petition urged the court to declare notifications regarding the appointment of the provincial police officer and Lahore CCPO as "unconstitutional".
On Tuesday, the federal government had appointed Inam Ghani as the new Punjab IGP — the sixth police chief of the province since the PTI came into power two years ago.
Dastagir had stopped working after Sheikh, who was posted as Lahore CCPO earlier this month, allegedly spoke against the provincial police chief (PPO) during a meeting with senior officers.
Dastagir reportedly later met the prime minister and the chief minister and sought a probe into the alleged misconduct by the new CCPO and appropriate action, asking to otherwise be transferred to another position.
The first hearing on the petition was held in the LHC on Sept 10 which was presided over by LHC Chief Justice Muhammad Qasim Khan. The next hearing is scheduled for Sept 14.
Ahmed's latest petition stated that since the Sept 10 hearing, certain "critical facts" have come into public knowledge regarding the Lahore CCPO and his competence.
"The CCPO is allegedly 'corrupt financially and morally' and has been accused of misuse of authority by the Central Selection Board as a consequence [of which] his promotion was suppressed," it read.
The petition also refers to the CCPO's recent remarks on the motorway incident implying that the victim shared responsibility for her rape, terming it a demonstration of his "deep-rooted misogyny and incompetence".
"A few days after [Sheikh's] appointment he committed insubordination of his superior IG and passed derogatory remarks against his superiors and later demonstrated deep-rooted misogyny and incompetence when he blamed a rape victim for her rape on the Lahore-Sialkot Motorway," the petition stated.
"The performance of the CCPO is ample evidence for the petitioners that the provincial government has not exercised its discretion reasonably and justly while appointing the CCPO," it added.
Ahmed requested the court to allow the submission of several news reports related to the CCPO, including about a declaration signed by senior police officers seeking action against him, dismissal of a report by the Intelligence Bureau regarding his alleged corruption and about a demand by civil society and rights activists for his removal.
The petition, which will be heard by the LHC on Monday, requests the court to allow the submission of these documents and suspend the notification of the CCPO's appointment.
'Politicising the police force'
The earlier petition said that the Punjab government instead of implementing the Police Order (2002) had "further politicised the police force and shown the door to recalcitrant and independent-minded officers without any regard for their independence and tenure protected by the law".
"The Punjab government has changed six IGs in two years and the average tenure is four months," it stated. "The frequent and arbitrary transfers of senior-most officials send a wave of resentment among the police community." The application also noted that three CCPOs have been posted and transferred in the last two years.
The petition urged the court to declare notifications regarding the appointment of the provincial police officer and the CCPO as "unconstitutional".
It also urged the court to declare that the provincial government should appoint a CCPO only on the recommendation of the provincial police chief.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1579295/p...king-removal-of-allegedly-corrupt-lahore-ccpo
Some people have made the CCPO a bigger culprit than the rapists. It all politically motivated.
Even PTI members have condemned his statement but to villify him like no tomorrow seems like a concerted effort on the part of Noon league supporters.
Also the state of Punjab Police is deplorable because they are all Noon league gullu butts in uniform, don't expect PTI to fix the malaise in 2 years. They are trying but can't even seem to find a suitable man for the top post then you can imagine how much filth Noon league would have inducted in the lower cadres.
Some people have made the CCPO a bigger culprit than the rapists. It all politically motivated.
Even PTI members have condemned his statement but to villify him like no tomorrow seems like a concerted effort on the part of Noon league supporters.
Also the state of Punjab Police is deplorable because they are all Noon league gullu butts in uniform, don't expect PTI to fix the malaise in 2 years. They are trying but can't even seem to find a suitable man for the top post then you can imagine how much filth Noon league would have inducted in the lower cadres.
This was precisely why I asked whether the Punjab police were under PTI administration, having seen them disgrace their uniform for decades under the Sharif clan.
PTI needs to deal with this, but we should also give them the chance to do so rather than use this disgusting incident to rack up points on the politics scoreboard.
Yes they are, the multiple IGs that were changed were changed under the PTI govt in punjab, the CCPO who was appointed even after having a bad IB report on him was appointed by the PTI govt. So yes Punjab police is under Pti Govt.
The bad IB report is a fake WhatsApp forward straight from Noon league media cell. IB reports don't leak in the media.
But just all like fake news you believed it. Takes better intellectual level to sift facts from fiction.
ISLAMABAD: The controversial new Capital City Police Officer (CCPO) Lahore, Umar Shaikh, on Thursday sent a damning Intelligence Bureau (IB) report that brands him as “corrupt”-- both morally and financially-- along with a voice message of his version of the story to this correspondent, asking him to publish it in this newspaper.
Shaikh was responding after he was told that The News does not want to do a story on the IB’s extremely damning report on him unless the officer also provides his own complete version to balance the story.
When Sheikh shared a voice note along with the IB report on WhatsApp, this scribe told the officer: “Shaikh sahib. I don’t want to write on the IB report unless you send me your complete version. If your version is contained in this audio file, then it’s okay for me. It’s up to you!”
Shaikh replied: “Yes sir, it’s my version — unless you have some corresponding questions please.” He was again asked, “So should I publish the IB report with your version as given in the audio (message)?” He responded: “Yes please.”
The News was in possession of the IB report even earlier, but it chose not to publish its contents in earlier stories on the subject without a detailed version of the CCPO. That is because the contents of the report were highly damaging for the newly appointed CCPO.
On the question of Shaikh’s integrity, the IB report dubs him “corrupt” — both financially and morally. His general reputation is also termed as “corrupt”. The report says his behavior with the public is “good” but he is “rude” to colleagues. In the column “Any Negative Observation”, the IB report states: “He could misuse power or authority for resolving bribe/gratification.”
In its general remarks, the IB report states: “He remained posted as DPO Sargodha (from 14.09.2006 to 20.08.2007). He remained involved in corrupt practices for financial gains. He relied on [name deleted], then DSP city, and posted SHOs on his recommendations after getting gratification from them.” The IB report also contained some names of SHOs that are not being published here. It alleged that the SHOs gave Shaikh 100,000 rupees each as gratification on a monthly basis through a DSP [name not published here].
The report added: “He was reputed to be financially and morally corrupt (drinker, gambler and womaniser in the area). Reportedly, he established illegal sexual relations with one Ms x [name not published], a constable of the Punjab Police, during his posting in the area. He did not take interest in discharging his official work and solving public problems and spent most of his time in gambling during his posting in the area. He also served in IB PPHQ Lahore as Director and also remained posted in the USA from the IB. Presently, he is serving as RPO D.G.Khan.”
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/713163-lahore-ccpo-dismisses-ib-report-calling-him-corrupt
PTI members and supporters have no right to criticize others for politicizing this tragedy after their disgusting attitude over the Zainab case in Jan 2018.
You reap what you sow.
PTI members and supporters have no right to criticize others for politicizing this tragedy after their disgusting attitude over the Zainab case in Jan 2018.
You reap what you sow.
PTI members and supporters have no right to criticize others for politicizing this tragedy after their disgusting attitude over the Zainab case in Jan 2018.
You reap what you sow.
ISLAMABAD: Lahore’s Capital City Police Officer (CCPO) Mohammad Umar Sheikh, who invited severe criticism for ‘blaming’ the victim after the motorway gang-rape was reported to police recently, has been in litigation with the federal government over denial of promotion to **-21.
According to the report of the Establishment Division and the Central Selection Board (CSB) submitted to the Islamabad High Court in response to the petition of Mr Sheikh, “during his [Sheikh] four-year posting in Washington DC, his Performance Evaluation Reports (PERs) were downgraded four times”.
“Seven PERs of the officer have been downgraded during his career,” it said.
In his petition, Mr Sheikh made startling revelations and even expressed doubts over the integrity of the CSB members. One of CSB members was Inspector General of Police (IGP) Shoaib Dastgir who was transferred soon after Lahore CCPO’s appointment without his consultation.
The CCPO claimed that the CSB had superseded him to promote a junior but ‘blue-eyed’ person of influential agencies in **-21 even though the latter was once an accused in Mir Murtaza Bhutto murder case and was also ‘responsible’ for the tragic Sahiwal incident in which a couple, their teenage daughter and their dri*ver were killed by a Counter-Terro*rism Department (CTD) of Police in a fake encounter, off the motorway.
According to Mr Sheikh’s petition, he was at serial 9 on the seniority list while “the officer at serial number 19… has been promoted and the entire supersession of the petitioner has been done in order to accommodate him. Due to certain actions that the junior officer took at the behest of ‘influential agencies’, he was rewarded by the blatant out of turn and unjustified promotion, the CCPO alleged. The officer, who was heading the CTD when the Sahiwal incident happened, was suspended from service only to be reinstated later in March 2019.
The petitioner said: “The said officer was also named as accused in the case pertaining to death of PPP (SB) leader Mir Murtaza Bhutto and was acquitted by a court in 2009.”
He claimed that a CSB member had a grudge against him and opposed his promotion, because the petitioner did not help his “brother-in-law in oil smuggling scam”. The CSB had awarded “C” category to Mr Sheikh.
After hearing the petitioner, establishment division and others, a division bench of the Islamabad High Court comprising Chief Justice Athar Minallah and Justice Lubna Saleem Pervaiz had reserved the decision in the case last month.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1579434/lahore-ccpo-at-odds-with-selection-board
Yet we have posters defending this guy.
Promotion being stopped is a big problem in pakistan as seniors often keep a grudge against you and dont promote
This Umar Shiekh guy is very corrupt- both financially and morally. The IB has said that he allegedly took bribes and he had illicit sexual relations with a female colleague.
If this is the mindset of a police chief, one can only imagine the mindset of the rapists.
Yet we have posters defending this guy.
Promotion being stopped is a big problem in pakistan as seniors often keep a grudge against you and dont promote
1) there is an ib reportSo based on a report you think he is dishonest. But after he said he was going after the mafia, the Nooras were ******** bricks. I am not surprised that these reports have come out and what's even more disgusting is that a horrific rape is used as a front to attack the CCPO. As always you guys are interested in the tittle tattle and forget the system that let these thugs go
He will be IG in the future. Madinah Riyasat Pakistan.
So based on a report you think he is dishonest. But after he said he was going after the mafia, the Nooras were ******** bricks. I am not surprised that these reports have come out and what's even more disgusting is that a horrific rape is used as a front to attack the CCPO. As always you guys are interested in the tittle tattle and forget the system that let these thugs go
This case is getting weird.
Waqar ul hassan has himself appeared in police station. He was a suspect based on geo fencing. They have taken his dna and i think by night time results would be made public.
Now what makes this case weird is that this guy not only appeared in geo fencing but he has a past criminal record of robbery.
What are the odds of a person with past criminal record passing by the crime scene
And yet this guy appearee to police himself just in 24 hrs.
True, the CCPO can't be blamed for security lax in this case but his victim blaming is shameful.
1) there is an ib report
2) the news said they recieved the report aswell and that news agency is central right wing
3)establishment division has also revelaed stuff
4)csb has also revealed
5) there was a court case against him.
For gods sake dont say these news are fake. Koi haad hoti hai defending ke bhi
Ccpo made an insensitive statement. And like everywhere else in the world when you make insensitive remarks, you have to resign or be removed. If not than charavter assassination happens as more stuff gets revealed.
Govt has yet not removed him. Show cause notice is dramaybazi
Knowing the ruling party i wont be surprised if they do make him IG.
Posters here talk about merit and stuff yet they cant say anything wrong to this guy.
And who would gain by his dismissal, who is desperate to have him out. Why are they desperate to have him out?
than thats shameful stuff from you.Because we are waiting for some guy to take on the mafia in Lahore. And so far he is the only one that has started to do something. If he is as bad as you say, he wont last long. But just because the Sharifs want him out, means he gets my support. Because never have they campaigned so much against one officer.
Those who know me here are well aware of my support for pti over the years. But this past week has been very bad particularly for Punjab government. According to majority of sources both Umar Sheikh CCPO and IG Punjab have tarnished service record.
That irresponsible statement that the CCPO made shows a lot about his character.
Now, the alleged co- accused , Waqar ul Hasan, has presented himself before Lahore Police claiming to be innocent in this case.
The story that IG sahib narrated yesterday reeks of loopholes for many reasons.
First, the culprits reside fairly far from each other.
Second, the story about Abid escaping a police raid and running into the fields sounds a lie. In such a high profile case police wouldn't have let the accused simply vanish into the fields.
Prima facie, this looks like a classic case of Punjab police shifting the blame onto the individuals who already have a criminal history.
Because we are waiting for some guy to take on the mafia in Lahore. And so far he is the only one that has started to do something. If he is as bad as you say, he wont last long. But just because the Sharifs want him out, means he gets my support. Because never have they campaigned so much against one officer.
This is truly disgusting. I don't want to make a political issue out of such a heinous crime and to see that people are trying to score political points over this entire issue is horrible in its own way but to see people defend the idiot who went on TV and starting blaming the victim shows just how low supporters of certain parties can stoop.
His remarks were silly and insensitive( his general point should have been made at a later period), and he should apologise and move on. But look who is calling for his head, The Nooras a party who is responsible for 14 deaths in broad daylight. Why do you think there media cell is starting these campaigns, do they care for the raped women? If they did, when is SS going to have a campaign against him as in 2013,these people were involved with a gang rape and he said he would take notice. Neither was the notice taken and they were free to rape others.
the victim called 130 at 2:01 am
Police also confirmed it & said they Immediately divert her call to FWO
The dolphin force said they received a call from a man at 2:49
(& that man was an eye witness) who saw a woman stoping him for help & a man pull her with her arm so he called 15
Dolphin force reached there at 2:53 (within minutes)
because they were fueling near by
Why FWO didn't call dolphin police whyy??
CCPO lahore said by blaming her that why she didn't call police & called her relative ...(& That's not true ofcours ) because she called both (police & relative)
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It doesn't matter who is calling for his head. A person in this position should not be blaming the victim. The fact that he blamed the victim shows he is incompetent. Don't make it political. The man should be removed because of his incompetency regardless of who is asking for it.
Off course it matters, the people who are calling for his head are not doing it because they have suddenly found some humanity inside their hearts, they killed 14 people in broad daylight. And i agree it was insensitive at that point.
Remember CCPOs go on what they are told by their officers. I would like a full enquiry and we can get to the bottom of it. I support any guy that takes on the mafia and so far no one has had the courage to do so bar him and hence the campaign. Your making as if you are privy to every nook and cranny and all your doing is repeating what GEO and other corrupt media are telling you. TBH, i dont trust much of what you say. Anyone that cant bring themselves to say a word against the PPP mafia, cant be trusted.CCPO even claim the victim to be a liar as he even ssaid that she never called
but our [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] himself has said he supports CCPO because of political affiliations. I wonder if you had the guts to even say these words if this was your family member.
Remember CCPOs go on what they are told by their officers. I would like a full enquiry and we can get to the bottom of it. I support any guy that takes on the mafia and so far no one has had the courage to do so bar him and hence the campaign. Your making as if you are privy to every nook and cranny and all your doing is repeating what GEO and other corrupt media are telling you. TBH, i dont trust much of what you say. Anyone that cant bring themselves to say a word against the PPP mafia, cant be trusted.
Why are you comparing two different things? That's a different case and this is a different case. That should be dealt with properly as should this. Two wrong's don't make a right. Again, can you stop trying to score political points here and move past that and acknowledge that what this guy said was wrong and he cannot be trusted with the security of the people and hence due to pure incompetence he should be removed.
OMG,
A chief of police ends up giving interview without knowing the facts. You dont do that. You dont make up information.
WHy are you defending him by saying that he only said what he was told?
He is required to make statements after confirming not make them up.
DO bother to watch Geo or news channles. GEO didn't report anything on their own. They had an eye witness that told them the story.
CCPO himself said on record that the women never made the call on the particular number. IG police himself said on record she did make the call on the particular number. How is geo or anyone making this up?
IG, CCPO, Eye Witness have told their own accounts.
I wouldnt watch Geo news because its not news. Its a propaganda channel, it offers no information. As i said an enquiry needs to be held and if mistakes were made, heads need to roll but not because of an officer saying something stupid.
so for the sake of defending the CCPO you choose to be ignorant.
Again, there are record statements of the eye witness, ccpo himself and IG Punjab.
And anything a CCPO himself say should be held against him. He indirectly claimed the victim to be a liar.
Do you believe the claims that Cynthia Richie made?
read the thread title and dont divert it into another topic
Its not a diversion- it was also a rape case, and more importantly those holier and thou( like you?) had no shame in victim shaming but today are talking about victim shaming. Are you one of those. As i said then, i will say again today hold an enquiry.
dont divert. you support CCPO even said.