[PICTURES/VIDEOS] PTI Protests and Rallies

Leader. Every movement and revolution needs a leader, currently that leader symbolizes democracy.
Nopes, every movement and revolution needs an idea. Then men, the leaders will always come and go, its the idea that thrives. IF you are just chasing the man, your movement will evolve and grow old and die in the time line of the man itself.

Democracy is the masses and no single man represents that. If the man is gone does the will of the people also dies with him? That's terrible low price put on the aspirations and desire of the people.
 
Nopes, every movement and revolution needs an idea. Then men, the leaders will always come and go, its the idea that thrives. IF you are just chasing the man, your movement will evolve and grow old and die in the time line of the man itself.

Democracy is the masses and no single man represents that. If the man is gone does the will of the people also dies with him? That's terrible low price put on the aspirations and desire of the people.
Idea is democracy.

Revolution needs leader.

It seems you want to win an argument when their isn’t none regarding the concept and appear correct.
 
When the government is using the army against their own people, that is where you should retreat because you don't want any bloodshed.

It may sound like the PTI leadership ran away but the ground realities are not what the paid media is telling atm.
Why let a few simple people die, Bushra Bibi and Gandapur openly violated the laws of the land. Why shouldn't they court arrest like hundreds of their PTI followers?
They are no leaders.
Please note I was admiring how brave Bibi sounded yesterday, had she stayed in D-chowk despite all the turmoil, got arrested or injured or even killed. It would have been martyrdom for the cause. A cause bigger than any one person, which is your nation of Pakistan. It would have shown that the fight for the people of Pakistan is bigger than her own life. That would have been leadership. This was just utter cowardice.
 
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Why let a few simple people die, Bushra Bibi and Gandapur openly violated the laws of the land. Why shouldn't they court arrest like hundreds of their PTI followers?
They are no leaders.
Please note I was admiring how brave Bibi sounded yesterday, had she stayed in D-chowk despite all the turmoil, got arrested or injured or even killed. It would have been martyrdom for the cause. A cause bigger than any one person, which is your nation of Pakistan. It would have shown that the fight for the people of Pakistan is bigger than her own life. That would have been leadership. This was just utter cowardice.

It’s not just about BiBi, it’s about the people of Pakistan.

In Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, almost everyone came out to protest.

Until the majority of Pakistanis, or at least a significant number, take to the streets in protest, nothing will change.
 
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Why let a few simple people die, Bushra Bibi and Gandapur openly violated the laws of the land. Why shouldn't they court arrest like hundreds of their PTI followers?
They are no leaders.
Please note I was admiring how brave Bibi sounded yesterday, had she stayed in D-chowk despite all the turmoil, got arrested or injured or even killed. It would have been martyrdom for the cause. A cause bigger than any one person, which is your nation of Pakistan. It would have shown that the fight for the people of Pakistan is bigger than her own life. That would have been leadership. This was just utter cowardice.

Let’s not compare Bhakts with Pakistanis. Pakistani protesters are fighting for democracy, while Bhakts are pushing to uphold Hindutva supremacy.
 
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It’s not just about BiBi, it’s about the people of Pakistan.

In Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, almost everyone came out to protest.

Until the majority of Pakistanis, or at least a significant number, take to the streets in protest, nothing will change.
Didn't people come out to protest here?
Why are you taking such a personal defense of failed leaders Gandapur and Bibi here?? Just see my yesterday's post, I felt great respect at her courageous speech on the way. Now I just feel betrayed and how hypocritical she has proven herself to be. Why shouldn't some of the followers who risked their lives feel the same?
 
Let’s not compare Bhakts with Pakistanis. Pakistani protesters are fighting for democracy, while Bhakts are pushing to uphold Hindutva supremacy.
Let;s just not talk about democracy in Pakistan where the minorities have zero say in their own representation. Please that's a separate topic and here is it is just worshippers of Imran Khan not even party supporters who marched it seems.
 
Didn't people come out to protest here?
Why are you taking such a personal defense of failed leaders Gandapur and Bibi here?? Just see my yesterday's post, I felt great respect at her courageous speech on the way. Now I just feel betrayed and how hypocritical she has proven herself to be. Why shouldn't some of the followers who risked their lives feel the same?
Personal defense?
 
Let;s just not talk about democracy in Pakistan where the minorities have zero say in their own representation. Please that's a separate topic and here is it is just worshippers of Imran Khan not even party supporters who marched it seems.
Hence, fighting for democracy.

Leader symbolize democracy.

It seems you’re more focused on being right by repeating the same talking points and ignoring the concept of fighting for democracy.

Failed to understand why Indians pretend to lose brain cells whenever IK is mentioned.

Enjoy.
 
People don't know the things happening on ground and they are making their minds watching the media that is totally controlled.

Till yesterday, they were not showing anything about this protest but as soon as PTI ended it, Media came out saying useless stuff like they ran bla bla...
 
Idea is democracy.

Revolution needs leader.

It seems you want to win an argument when their isn’t none regarding the concept and appear correct.
I sort of agree. Most of these iconic leaders who come to symbolise a people's aspirations to an ideal are imperfect - whether it's Mugabe, Suu Kyi, Sukarno etc.

It's Pakistan's poor luck that a narcissistic, misogynist, incompetent cricketer has come to represent the ideal of democracy but you have to make do with what you have. India had it's share of weirdos in Gandhi, Bose and we've managed.

I'm not sure I agree with the way this protest is being handled and it's objectives but this stuff by it's nature is chaotic, unpredictable and often ugly. More power to the people!
 
‘Imran agreed to divert march but Bushra vetoed the idea’

Physical and technological obstacles, coupled with the intransigence of former first lady Bushra Bibi, foiled last ditch efforts to peacefully resolve the issue of PTI’s protest march towards Islamabad’s D-Chowk, credible sources familiar with behind-the-scenes efforts told Dawn.

The government also blames her for “sabotaging” the negotiations for an alternate protest venue and “orchestrating” violence by the party’s supporters.

Barrister Muhammad Ali Saif, the KP chief minister’s aide and spokesperson, confirmed that efforts had begun in earnest on Monday night to persuade the PTI leadership to stop short of Islamabad and divert to Sangjani — located on the outskirts of the capital.

He also confirmed that the party chairman had reluctantly agreed to pass on this message to KP Chief Minister Ali Amin Gandapur.

“Khan sahib was extremely agitated and annoyed at the treatment being meted out to him in his prison cell, but after a lot of discussions that also covered the Islamabad High Court ruling, he reluctantly agreed to stop the march at the city limits,” he told Dawn.

“He (Imran) said he would leave it to party leaders to decide what to do, provided it led to solid negotiations with the government that would result in his release and the withdrawal of cases against him and other party leaders including Dr Yasmin Rashid and Mian Mehmoodur Rasheed and others.”

“We made a lot of efforts to find a peaceful way to resolve the issue. Both sides have toughened their positions. It has now entered into a critical and very sensitive phase. One wrong move and we will have a very serious situation at hand,” Saif said.

A source privy to these developments confided that there were a lot of intense efforts to broker a compromise.

“Efforts were made to arrange a telephone call between the jailed party chairman and Gandapur,” the source said, adding, “There were signal issues but the message was conveyed”.

“By the time efforts were made to re-establish contact with Ali Amin and others, the rally had already entered Islamabad. It was too late by then,” Barrister Saif told Dawn when asked about the sequence of events.

Bushra Bibi “was aggressive. She was defiant”, the source said, adding that she refused to listen to CM Gandapur, instead demanding that the party chairman speak to her directly through a video call, but this was not possible due to technical and other issues.

Originally, the sources said, Bushra Bibi was supposed to stay back in Peshawar, but the dynamics changed completely when she suddenly decided to hop on the truck and lead the protest herself.

“It made matters more complicated”, the source said, adding: “Workers were charged and they were no longer listening to Ali Amin.”

According to the insider, “[Bushra] is now calling the shots and [CM Gandapur] is playing second fiddle.”

The situation became more volatile when a vehicle mowed down Rangers personnel, the source said.

“There is literally an eye-ball-to-eye ball situation at D-Chowk”, the source said. “Ali Amin is under pressure. He is stuck between a rock and a hard place.”

This impression is lent credence by Bushra Bibi’s actions on Tuesday evening.

In a speech to charged protesters camped out a few kilometres from the high-security Red Zone, she urged them to move towards D-Chowk and extolled them to take Ali Amin Gandapur along with them.

While the federal government is nervously waiting for the protesters’ next move, party leaders are scrambling to figure out how to avoid the situation from further escalation, Barrister Saif said.

According to sources, the party is now “trying to figure out what the Plan-B is”.

Ministers blame Bushra

In back-to-back press conferences on Tuesday, federal ministers accused the PTI of reneging on the agreement to hold their demonstration at Sangjani, on the outskirts of Islamabad and not enter the Red Zone.

“[T]here is a secret leadership controlling things in the background; the entire [frontline] leadership is [powerless] in front of them,” Interior Minister Mohsin Naqvi said, without naming Ms Bibi.

The PTI leadership wanted to talk, but “that one secret leader” sabotaged the process.

In another press conference later in the day with Information Minister Atta Tarar, Naqvi blamed “a woman” for the loss of life and property during the past two days.

Tarar said the former PM’s wife was trailing behind in the protest while “sending children and labourers to the front lines”, who he claimed were throwing tear gas at the police.

Imran’s tweet

Meanwhile, a post on Imran Khan’s official X (formerly Twitter) account again triggered a debate about who was running his social media account during his incarceration.

In contrast to the claims put forward by Barrister Saif, the tweet from Khan’s account seemed to back Bushra Bibi’s initiative and urged people to reach D-Chowk.

“My message for my team is to fight until the last ball is bowled. We will not back down until our demands are met!”

The post also revealed that overseas Pakistanis have been funding for the march and Khan also thanked them for holding protests in different countries.

“My thanks go to overseas Pakistanis around the globe, who are not only mobilising Pakistanis and contributing funds, but also holding historic protests in their respective countries,” the tweet said.

It also called on “those who haven’t yet joined the protest” to also head to D-Chowk. “All Pakistanis participating in the protest must remain peaceful, stay united, and stand firm until our demands are met,” the tweet said.

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Don't believe what TV media and paid pundits are blabbering , it was a barbaric act last night , alot of casualties and govt is hiding the accurate figure.

PTI will only get stronger than this, there was straight firing on people, what not if to end the protest otherwise they're would have been more chaos and catastrophe.
 
Don't believe what TV media and paid pundits are blabbering , it was a barbaric act last night , alot of casualties and govt is hiding the accurate figure.

PTI will only get stronger than this, there was straight firing on people, what not if to end the protest otherwise they're would have been more chaos and catastrophe.

The difference between the PTI and everyone else is that they actually care about the people. If roles were reversed the Sharifs and Zardari's would be sitting in london egging on their people to martyr themselves
 
PTI’s peaceful sit-in to continue until Imran’s Khan’s orders: Gandapur

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Chief Minister Ali Amin Gandapur has strongly condemned the government's use of live-bullets against the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) party workers.

Gandapur accused government of fascism and oppression over the past two and a half years.

Addressing a Gandapur emphasized that PTI is a peaceful party dedicated to the rule of law, protection, and the promotion of true democracy for the younger generation.

"We are peacefully demanding our legitimate rights, but instead of being heard, we face repression," said Gandapur. He expressed frustration over the lack of justice from the courts and the disregard for the sanctity of the parliament. "Whenever we talk about holding a meeting or protesting, we are not allowed," he added.

Gandapur specifically pointed to the PTI's recent attempts to hold peaceful protests, including the sit-in at Hadi Chowk in Islamabad, which he said had been met with violent suppression.

"Fascism was evident when the government first used force against our peaceful gathering," he remarked, referring to the initial response to the sit-in. He reiterated that PTI's protest would continue despite these challenges, noting that while the number of participants may fluctuate, the resolve to continue the sit-in remains strong.

Reflecting on the party's struggles, Gandapur also mentioned the tragic losses PTI has faced, including the shooting of protesters and the martyrdom of hundreds in their pursuit of justice. "Our sit-in is under the control of PTI and will continue until our voices are heard and our demands are met," he concluded.

He said ongoing sit-in has become a symbol of PTI's defiance and commitment to their cause, drawing both support and criticism from various political quarters.

As the protest continues, it remains to be seen how the government will respond to these increasing calls for political and judicial reforms.

SAMAA NEWS
 
Food for thought for the sane

Why have only poor PTI workers been killed? Why not Bushra Bibi or any other PTI leader?
 
Food for thought for the sane

Why have only poor PTI workers been killed? Why not Bushra Bibi or any other PTI leader?

Because the terrorists in charge of the government dont want an all out civil war....because not only will they lose, they will end up being hanged in public. God willing one day it happens without any more innocent people dying.
 
zero? Islamabad is in Punjab. Most of Punjab are supportive of IK and PTI. Its the fear of being killed and tortured which is keeping some people way but the turnout is massive.
mainly driven by PTI from KPK.

Punjabis have let down Imran badly. Islamabad is technically not Punjab either.
 
zero? Islamabad is in Punjab. Most of Punjab are supportive of IK and PTI. Its the fear of being killed and tortured which is keeping some people way but the turnout is massive.
Apart from.bewal most potoharis are die hard pak fauj they give their sons and blood to the army.

All these caravans came from kpk and saraiki areas most of it is a rent a Mob from kpk and afghans all anti pakistan elements .

They killed 3 rangers in drive by firing and murdered a police constable .

Hopefully governor rule happens in kpk very soon and military do a massive operation in this province alongwith balochistan and sraiki katcha belt inhabited by bandits , baloch and fake makhdooms , fake peers and fake syeds and other fake arab genelogy landed gentry there are more syeds here than the arab world 😄

Gandapur needs to be arrested and army needs to clean up all of bannu , di khan , mianwali , lakki marwat right upto waziristan onto afghan border total lawlessness and taliban roaming openly . Security situation has worsened in that province thanks to him forget army , the tribes are killing themselves openly and in kurram you have massive sectarian attacks they are openly firing on military and even helicopters.
 

Shaukat Yousafzai slams PTI leadership for ‘letting down’ protesters​


Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) leader Shaukat Yousafzai has voiced his frustration over the party's central leadership, accusing them of failing to support protesters and and causing disillusionment among them.

While speaking to a private TV channel, Yousafzai questioned the absence of leadership during recent demonstrations, particularly when the party had announced protests in Islamabad. "Where was the leadership during the protests? They have disappointed us," he said, expressing his concerns over the lack of communication and coordination.

The PTI leader also raised questions about the party's strategy, particularly why the proposal for a protest in Sangjani was not accepted. "Why was the protest offer at Sangjani rejected? Why was D-Chowk chosen for the protests? These decisions need proper scrutiny," he added.

He also pointed out that only Ali Amin Gandapur, alongside Bushra Bibi, seemed to be present for the protests, while other senior leaders were noticeably absent.

The lack of consultation, according to Yousafzai, had left the party without a clear direction or strategy.

The PTI's internal divisions and the lack of a unified front have caused significant frustration among its members.

 
mainly driven by PTI from KPK.

Punjabis have let down Imran badly. Islamabad is technically not Punjab either.

Islamabad borders KPK but its in Punjab.

I agree a large proportion from KPK but imo more than 40% were from Punjab. When your life is on the line at a protest, its hard for me to criticise , esp when in UK.
 
PTI’s peaceful sit-in to continue until Imran’s Khan’s orders: Gandapur

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Chief Minister Ali Amin Gandapur has strongly condemned the government's use of live-bullets against the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) party workers.

Gandapur accused government of fascism and oppression over the past two and a half years.

Addressing a Gandapur emphasized that PTI is a peaceful party dedicated to the rule of law, protection, and the promotion of true democracy for the younger generation.

"We are peacefully demanding our legitimate rights, but instead of being heard, we face repression," said Gandapur. He expressed frustration over the lack of justice from the courts and the disregard for the sanctity of the parliament. "Whenever we talk about holding a meeting or protesting, we are not allowed," he added.

Gandapur specifically pointed to the PTI's recent attempts to hold peaceful protests, including the sit-in at Hadi Chowk in Islamabad, which he said had been met with violent suppression.

"Fascism was evident when the government first used force against our peaceful gathering," he remarked, referring to the initial response to the sit-in. He reiterated that PTI's protest would continue despite these challenges, noting that while the number of participants may fluctuate, the resolve to continue the sit-in remains strong.

Reflecting on the party's struggles, Gandapur also mentioned the tragic losses PTI has faced, including the shooting of protesters and the martyrdom of hundreds in their pursuit of justice. "Our sit-in is under the control of PTI and will continue until our voices are heard and our demands are met," he concluded.

He said ongoing sit-in has become a symbol of PTI's defiance and commitment to their cause, drawing both support and criticism from various political quarters.

As the protest continues, it remains to be seen how the government will respond to these increasing calls for political and judicial reforms.

SAMAA NEWS

Gandapur is the first person who should be lynched. A complete sell out who used IK to get the CM seat and is playing both sides .
 
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Apart from.bewal most potoharis are die hard pak fauj they give their sons and blood to the army.

All these caravans came from kpk and saraiki areas most of it is a rent a Mob from kpk and afghans all anti pakistan elements .

They killed 3 rangers in drive by firing and murdered a police constable .

Hopefully governor rule happens in kpk very soon and military do a massive operation in this province alongwith balochistan and sraiki katcha belt inhabited by bandits , baloch and fake makhdooms , fake peers and fake syeds and other fake arab genelogy landed gentry there are more syeds here than the arab world 😄

Gandapur needs to be arrested and army needs to clean up all of bannu , di khan , mianwali , lakki marwat right upto waziristan onto afghan border total lawlessness and taliban roaming openly . Security situation has worsened in that province thanks to him forget army , the tribes are killing themselves openly and in kurram you have massive sectarian attacks they are openly firing on military and even helicopters.

Imo ALL who support this PDM crooked government do so because they live on theft/corruption or their families, kids are feed on food stained with blood.
 

954 protesters held, 210 vehicles and weapons seized: IGP Rizvi​


Islamabad Inspector General of Police (IGP) Ali Nasir Rizvi has claimed that 954 protesters were arrested over the three days of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf's (PTI) protest, while 210 vehicles and a large number of weapons were seized.

Holding a joint press conference with Islamabad Commissioner Muhammad Ali Randhawa on Wednesday, Ali Nasir Rizvi said that protest and terrorism were different things and the two could not be mixed in any way. He added that peaceful protests are held to express one’s point of view and for legitimate reasons, but all kinds of terrorist acts, attacks on police and Rangers and damage to government and private property are not protests.

"Besieging 2.5 million citizens is not a protest," he remarked.

The IGP categorically stated that no kind of terrorist act would be tolerated under the guise of protest, adding that everyone had the right to protest. "But what kind of protest is this where AK-47 and other weapons are used?? If this is a protest then such protests will not be allowed," he asserted.

Ali Nasir Rizvi said that Islamabad was attacked after the operation that started on November 24, claiming that Rangers and police personnel were targeted and fired at directly. He went on to claim that tear-gas shells and provincial government resources, including police officials and citizens, were used under the guise of protest for "terrorism".

He further alleged that the protesters were armed with weapons, including sniper rifles, and were wearing masks.

In a joint operation, Rizvi said, the police and Rangers arrested 954 protesters in three days, including 610 yesterday alone. Moreover, 210 vehicles and a large number of weapons were seized. The terrorists, in the guise of protesters, had brought in weapons with them that were also used on the police, he alleged.

He further said 71 law enforcement officers were injured, including 52 just on Tuesday. Of these, 27 were shot at and three Rangers personnel martyred. The financial losses due to the protests are in billions of rupees, he added.

Commissioner Randhawa​


On this occasion, the chief commissioner said there was a complete procedure laid out for protest in Islamabad, while the high court had also issued an order in this regard. Sangjani could be applied for protest as it is specified for the purpose, he said, adding that the spot was offered on high court orders, but the party said it would protest in any case.

He also claimed that weapons were used in the protest, while many Safe City cameras were destroyed. Green belts and trees were torched and metro stations damaged. On the one hand, international guests were in town, and on the other, the capital was being besieged.

"We tried to stop them at one place. Some police and Rangers personnel have been injured while working for the government's writ," he maintained, adding that containers had been removed in Islamabad and the IGP had been told to keep patrolling all the sensitive spots.

"We will not let any foreigner who hinders the law in Islamabad stay. We will not let anyone stay in Islamabad without security clearance. They also beat up journalists in media houses. There was also news of a petrol station being set on fire, due to which it was closed," Randhawa claimed.

 
Islamabad borders KPK but its in Punjab.

I agree a large proportion from KPK but imo more than 40% were from Punjab. When your life is on the line at a protest, its hard for me to criticise , esp when in UK.
Absolutely agree. I'm the same as you. Not criticising the people of Pakistan. It's a big sacrifice to make.
 
CM Gandapur resurfaces in Mansehra, says PTI sit-in ‘still ongoing’

After fleeing from the site of the PTI’s high-stakes Islamabad protest, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Chief Minister Ali Amin Gandapur on Wednesday resurfaced in Mansehra, where he assured his party workers that the “sit-in is still ongoing”.

After a day of clashes between security forces and protesters in the city’s Red Zone ended in the party leadership’s hasty retreat, the PTI announced in the early hours of Wednesday that it was calling off its planned protest sit-in “for the time being”.

As PTI supporters inched towards the heavily barricaded D-Chowk late on Tuesday, the police and security forces employed intense teargas shelling to disperse the protesters.

Addressing a press conference in the afternoon in Mansehra, CM Gandapur said the sit-in “is still ongoing”, adding that it would not end till Imran ordered so.

“People have died in this protest, we must pray for them,” the chief minister said during the press conference held at the residence of KP Speaker Babar Saleem Swati.

“We have been targets of violence,” he said, lamenting that the PTI was not given permission for protest whenever it sought one.

“When we gave the protest call, we said this would be peaceful. Imran Khan said we will go to D-Chowk peacefully, and we will not go ahead of D-Chowk where we are not permitted.

“[Imran] Khan sahib gave this call, and he said this protest will continue until I call it off,” CM Gandapur highlighted.

The chief minister remarked, “It is not necessary that every sit-in has people in it.”

“Unfortunately, our party has been cracked down upon, our mandate has been stolen. Ouur leader is in jail, our leader’s wife was thrown in jail,” Gandapur said, referring to Imran and Bushra, who was recently freed on bail after nine months in jail.

“We were going peacefully, talking peacefully, and in the end, the govt came in our path and inflicted violence on us. Why were bullets rained down on us?” the KP CM asked.

Terming the planned sit-in a “revolution”, the chief minister said: “If you try and stop it, people will come through other means.”

Speaking alongside Gandapur, National Assembly Opposition Leader Omar Ayub Khan alleged there was “an attack with a murderous intent” on Gandapur and Imran’s wife Bushra Bibi at D-Chowk, where they were leading their convoy.

“We are a democratic and peaceful party. We were shot at, which I gravely condemn,” the MNA said.

Ayub also called for an investigation into the deaths of two policemen and three Rangers personnel.

He claimed “rescuing” five policemen from Pathargarh in Islamabad. “We are not unjust but others are unjust to us in return,” he lamented.

Bushra Bibi, CM Gandapur and Ayub were set to address an “emergency” press conference at 11am today, according to Taimur Saleem Swati, senior vice president of PTI’s Hazara chapter. However, when the two men finally addressed the media, the former first lady was not seen alongside them.

PTI suspends protest ‘for the time being’

In the early hours of Wednesday, following a government crackdown on its supporters, the PTI called off the protest “for the time being”.

A press release shared by the party on its official X account read: “In view of the government’s brutality and the government’s plan to turn the capital into a slaughterhouse for unarmed citizens, [we] announce the suspension of the peaceful protest for the time being.”

It added that future plan of action would be announced “in light of the directions” of its incarcerated founder Imran Khan after the party’s political and core committees presented their “analyses of the state brutality” to him.

The statement, issued by the party spokesperson, condemned the alleged “killing” and “terror and brutality against peaceful protesters in the name of an operation”.

The party appealed to Chief Justice of Pakistan Yahya Afridi to take suo motu notice of the alleged “brutal murder of martyred [party] workers” and order legal action against the prime minister and interior minister as well as Islamabad and Punjab police chiefs for “attempt to murder”.

“We will chalk out the new strategy later after proper consultation, Mohammad Asim, PTI’s Peshawar president, told Reuters. He said that Bushra Bibi as well as CM Gandapur had returned “safely” to KP from Islamabad.

More than 10,000 protesters surged into the city on the weekend, defying a ban on public gatherings and a lockdown to skirmish with 20,000 security forces enlisted to turn them back, AFP reported.

Overnight, security forces fired tear gas and rubber bullets at protesters wielding sticks and slingshots, as roadblocks were set ablaze.

The late-night retreat by the PTI leadership, including Imran Khan’s wife Bushra Bibi and CM Gandapur, came after the latter was heard telling the protesters “to go home, have dinner and return tomorrow”.

By early Wednesday, AFP staff saw the main thoroughfare towards Islamabad’s government enclave cleared of crowds, and security forces in riot gear being bussed away from the area.

Interior Minister Mohsin Naqvi said in a statement they had “bravely repulsed the protesters”.

On Wednesday morning, the heavily fortified Red Zone was empty of protesters but several of their vehicles were left behind, including the remains of a truck from which Bushra Bibi had been leading the protests that appeared charred by flames, according to Reuters witnesses.

As PTI supporters faced off with security personnel across the federal capital on Tuesday, with both sides using tear gas and rubber bullets, at least two were killed and over 60 were injured during clashes.

The Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences (Pims) confirmed the death of two civilians and injuries to around 60 persons, including security personnel. At least three injured policemen and 10 civilians were also shifted to Polyclinic for treatment.

A total of six lives were lost in the three days of protests, which included a policeman and three Rangers officials who perished in a vehicular accident, officials and hospital sources said.

 
US lawmakers, Amnesty decry govt crackdown on PTI protesters at D-Chowk

A number of United States' lawmakers along with Amnesty International have voiced support for demonstrators who participated in the violence-marred protest by the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) workers in Islamabad for the release of party founder-chairman Imran Khan.

"The brutal repression of protesters in Pakistan and growing political violence is an attempt to suppress democracy and human rights [....] I stand with the brave Pakistanis who are rising up and protesting for change," US Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib said in a post on X — formerly Twitter.

The statement comes in the wake of the PTI's "do-or-die" protest, called off by the party following a crackdown by the law enforcement agencies (LEAs), which resulted in the martyrdom of at least four Rangers personnel along with multiple policemen.

The former ruling party, too, claimed that eight of its workers were martyred during the protest.

The latest protest episode was part of the PTI's months-long efforts to secure Khan's release who has been behind bars in Rawalpindi's Adiala jail in various cases for more than a year now.

The party, for quite some time, has reportedly been lobbying in Washington to garner support and secure the former prime minister's release.

Reacting to the latest political turmoil in Islamabad, Congressman Greg Casar condemned the violence and opined that the demonstration should be allowed to continue.

"Thousands of Pakistanis are protesting for democracy and are being met with violent repression. I am hearing reports that the government is using live fire and tear gas against protesters [....] I condemn this violence and urge the government to allow these protests to continue peacefully," he said in a social media post.

Meanwhile, Representative Barbara Lee underscored the freedom of speech and protest peacefully and said: "I stand with pro-democracy advocates in Pakistan as they fight for justice and human rights."

Her remarks were echoed by her colleague Representative Summer Lee who said: "I am moved by the bravery demonstrated by the Pakistani people as they protest for electoral integrity, and judicial fairness."

"I condemn any violent suppression of them exercising their fundamental rights. Everyone deserves to speak out and demand democracy," the lawmaker added.

Furthermore, Congressman Brad Sherman — while recalling his role in the October 23 letter by over 60 US lawmakers to US President Joe Biden for Khan's release — said that the PTI founder's supporters had a right to peacefully demonstrate.

Reacting to the events in Islamabad, former US ambassador to Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad called for the immediate commencement of a reconciliation process.

"This is not the way to enforce law and order," said Khalilzad while seemingly referring to the LEAs' crackdown against protesters.

This is not the first time that US lawmakers have directly or indirectly reacted to Pakistan's internal political situation.

The recent protest even warranted a reaction from the US State Department spokesperson who had earlier called for restraint from both sides while urging Islamabad to respect human rights and fundamental freedoms.

Earlier this month, 46 members of the US Congress wrote to President Biden to advocate for the immediate release of the PTI founder — making it the second time US lawmakers had reached out to the president on this issue.

 
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Exactly. As the late Arshad Sharif pointed out. Lahore is the epicenter of corruption due to the Nooras.

Imran Khan like most us understand how deep corruption is embedded into Pakistani society and sadly into the minds of a large portion of Pakistanis.

Its so rife, its become a normal part of living day to day life in Pak. People pay to secure a job, pay to get their electric or gas fixed, pay to get their kids into school, even doctors are corrupt who wont treat you until they receive the funds they demand.

As we live abroad and are not used to this, it was always difficult for me to understand when visiting Pakistan. Every time I visit, from stepping off the plane at the airport to until i return , daily some clown demands extra money, esp the cops. To this day I have never paid a bribe, once I stated lets go to jail over 1000r.

People like Nawaz will spend all day looting, taking bribes, eating the sweat and blood of the poor but make dua and go sleep.

Paying bribes is why people take bribes.
 
What are they doing there? . Is that person killed ?nothing mentioned in Twitter.its looks like china's Tiananmen square protest kind of crushing but not an ordinary one.
 

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The leaders who run away at the first sight of real trouble. Are they worth following?
All PTI leadership did was sacrificed a few of their men, let establishment dominate and dictate and even claim they showed restrain. Won't be surprised if PTI actually loses ground support after this fiasco.
All this protest proved is that the establishment is very strong and PTI leaders are a scared lot who will abandon their followers at the first sight of struggle. They basically lead poor people to their death. Those death and suffering achieved nothing. The leaders are safe at home. Again after few months they will call another final fight and some more committed you men will die.
 
When the government is using the army against their own people, that is where you should retreat because you don't want any bloodshed.

It may sound like the PTI leadership ran away but the ground realities are not what the paid media is telling atm.
This is not a new information right ? Pak army has been used several times in the past. So if PTI supporters are coming to protest their leaders will know that army will be called.
 
They killed a person by pushing him off container while he was praying.

This should have been a trigger for every Pakistani to take to the streets, but as always, the majority seem incapable of initiating a revolution. Even the mullahs should have rallied the masses by now after seeing this video, but we all know whose hands are pulling their strings.
 
Hearing the army/police went through the night cleaning away the crime scene; taking bodies away, making it difficult to get a true count.
 
All this protest proved is that the establishment is very strong and PTI leaders are a scared lot who will abandon their followers at the first sight of struggle. They basically lead poor people to their death. Those death and suffering achieved nothing. The leaders are safe at home. Again after few months they will call another final fight and some more committed you men will die.


How about the army/police/ government actually ordering and carrying out the killing of protesters?

You really need to get your arguments straight before you attempt back the criminal murderers.
 
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I haven’t been following everything lately, but I just saw some disturbing videos of PTI supporters claiming the army is harming Pakistani women and raping them and then comparing it to 1971 and saying pakistani army raped Bangladeshi women to get sympathy from Bangladeshis. Instead, it looks like Bangladeshis are just bashing Pakistan left right and centre

Not sure what PTI supporters are trying to achieve with this hate-mongering

it really makes you question their loyalty to the country.
 
How about the army/police/ government actually ordering and carrying out the killing of protesters?

You really need to get your arguments straight before you attempt back the criminal murderers.
don't know what is there to be disgusting about he what is actually being done by PTI leaders. They call these protests multiple times, they bring people, create chaos, army responds as they are expected to, multiple innocents gets killed, at the first available opportunity PTI leaders retreat and restart the process all over again. What has been achived? if you want change what is achived by retreating? if your complaint is that army is using strong arm tactics, then they are expected to do that? that is not a surprise? they have the power and will want to keep it. If you want it back to people, then people have make the sacrifice and take it back from them
 
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I haven’t been following everything lately, but I just saw some disturbing videos of PTI supporters claiming the army is harming Pakistani women and raping them and then comparing it to 1971 and saying pakistani army raped Bangladeshi women to get sympathy from Bangladeshis. Instead, it looks like Bangladeshis are just bashing Pakistan left right and centre

Not sure what PTI supporters are trying to achieve with this hate-mongering

it really makes you question their loyalty to the country.
Most anti Hasina Bangladeshis are obviously sympathetic to Imran Khan and PTI
 
I think this is relevant but gotta admire the way Modi govt and Amit Shah handled the farmers protests and the CAA protests with almost 0 casualties and escalation. Handled it like champs.One small slip would have let to chaos. Looking at Bangladesh and Pakistan, gotta give everyone in Indian administration and police their due. Small things like this makes me so appreciative of the Indian govt.
 
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don't know what is there to be disgusting about he what is actually being done by PTI leaders. They call these protests multiple times, they bring people, create chaos, army responds as they are expected to, multiple innocents gets killed, at the first available opportunity PTI leaders retreat and restart the process all over again. What has been achived? if you want change what is achived by retreating? if your complaint is that army is using strong arm tactics, then they are expected to do that? that is not a surprise? they have the power and will want to keep it. If you want it back to people, then people have make the sacrifice and take it back from them

I am an Indian and would love to see Pak Army give up their power and going back to barrack. But that is never going to happen if the leaders retreat at the sight of first fight back from Army.

Because every single person, no matter what their political leaning is, should have a right to protest.
In this case its made worse by the fact that the people who are protesting had their vote stolen.
They, or anyone else, should be able to protest without the fear of being jailed, raped or killed.

This is was democracy is about and this is the only way a change, however remote, can come about.
So you saying the politicians are leading their poor people to their misery is utterly wrong.
Do you see?
 
I think this is relevant but gotta admire the way Modi govt and Amit Shah handled the farmers protests and the CAA protests with almost 0 casualties and escalation. Handled it like champs.One small slip would have let to chaos. Looking at Bangladesh and Pakistan, gotta give everyone in Indian administration and police their due. Small things like this makes me so appreciative of the Indian govt.

Finally you're agreeing that the BJP are comparable to the Pakistani Corrupt Mafia and its equally corrupt Establishment leaders. Both being extremist, rightwing thugs. Well done.
 
PIMS refutes PTI’s death claims, confirms no fatalities

According to the hospital administration, reports of fatalities among protesters lack credibility. During the PTI protest, 66 security personnel and 36 civilians were brought to the hospital’s emergency department. Most of them were discharged after receiving initial medical treatment, while a few remain under observation.

Earlier, Federal Interior Minister Mohsin Naqvi stated that PTI supporters have been propagating false claims of fatalities since their retreat. “They have been making rounds of hospitals since morning in search of bodies for their propaganda,” he remarked.

Naqvi clarified that no firearms were issued to police personnel during the PTI protest, and they were equipped only with batons. “If a single bullet had been fired, they would have created an uproar globally. They are struggling to cover their embarrassment,” he added.

The minister challenged the PTI to provide evidence of any deaths, asking for names and locations of the alleged deceased. “When we inquired, no hospital reported any fatalities. If someone has died, let them provide the name and details,” he said, noting that while some injuries occurred due to stone pelting, the claims of deaths are entirely unfounded.

Naqvi concluded by stating that both police officers and protesters sustained injuries during the confrontation, but the allegations of deaths are baseless.

Earlier today, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) Chief Minister (CM) Ali Amin Gandapur announced that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) will continue its sit-in across Pakistan despite the last night crackdown against party workers in Islamabad.

Addressing a press conference in Mansehra, Ali Amin Gandapur stated that PTI has always led peaceful protests, upholding the supremacy of law and democracy.

Gandapur emphasised that former prime minister, Imran Khan, is currently in jail, and the party’s mandate was stolen in the February 8 elections, but the PTI workers were subjected to violence, and their peaceful protest was met with gunfire when they protested against these injustices.

The chief minister made it clear that the sit-in will continue until the party’s demands are met. He also announced that PTI will provide Rs 10 million each to the families of workers who were martyred during the protest.

Gandapur slammed the government for its actions, stating that they are trying to suppress the peaceful protest. He warned the government to refrain from using violence against peaceful protesters.

 
Because every single person, no matter what their political leaning is, should have a right to protest.
In this case its made worse by the fact that the people who are protesting had their vote stolen.
They, or anyone else, should be able to protest without the fear of being jailed, raped or killed.

This is was democracy is about and this is the only way a change, however remote, can come about.
So you saying the politicians are leading their poor people to their misery is utterly wrong.
Do you see?
If this is democracy, what is the guarantee if next time someone loses elections they will blame fixing and start the same protests?

Usually revolutions be it communist, religious oriented have these protests and violence. Democracy is achieved via truth and reconciliation.

if IK wins this he will become autocratic. Not saying it is a bad thing if you feel the other options are way worse but it will be impossible to build democracy on that. So what if IK is voted out of power next election or there is anti-incumbency against him. What then?
 
If this is democracy, what is the guarantee if next time someone loses elections they will blame fixing and start the same protests?

Usually revolutions be it communist, religious oriented have these protests and violence. Democracy is achieved via truth and reconciliation.

if IK wins this he will become autocratic. Not saying it is a bad thing if you feel the other options are way worse but it will be impossible to build democracy on that. So what if IK is voted out of power next election or there is anti-incumbency against him. What then?

I think better to just stick to your original post, well done for it, as what you've just written now makes zero sense when you take the full background in to account and it in to context.
 
I'm glad you posted this and I also hope it doesn't get deleted.
Finally you're agreeing that the BJP are comparable to the Pakistani Corrupt Mafia and its equally corrupt Establishment leaders. Both being extremist, rightwing thugs. Well done.
Protesting against farm laws is same as violent revolution to change regime? Lol.

In fact what you saw there was how a protest should be handled.

Sad your lines are blurred about how democracy works.
 
I think better to just stick to your original post, well done for it, as what you've just written now makes zero sense when you take the full background in to account and it in to context.
Yeah truth and reconciliation and how democracy works would make 0 sense I would assume.
 
Protesting against farm laws is same as violent revolution to change regime? Lol.

In fact what you saw there was how a protest should be handled.

Sad your lines are blurred about how democracy works.
I disagree.
What we saw in your post betrayed your actual views.

Anyway, this is not a thread about RSS violence/right wing extremism...
 
I disagree.
What we saw in your post betrayed your actual views.

Anyway, this is not a thread about RSS violence/right wing extremism...
I gave you example of bloody protests in subcontinent over the last few years in SL, Bangladesh and Pakistan. Mass protests in India. Pick up a book or even easier surf the web and go read up and then form an opinion.

IK is fighting against whom. The current ruling party to save democracy ? Stop kidding yourself.
 
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Because every single person, no matter what their political leaning is, should have a right to protest.
In this case its made worse by the fact that the people who are protesting had their vote stolen.
They, or anyone else, should be able to protest without the fear of being jailed, raped or killed.

This is was democracy is about and this is the only way a change, however remote, can come about.
So you saying the politicians are leading their poor people to their misery is utterly wrong.
Do you see?
i am with you, everyone should have a right to protest. That is the basic tenant of a democracy. But you and everyone knows Pak is not a democracy by any real definition of it. Establishment has stronghold on the politics forever and everyone was happy including Imran. Do you remember how many times he spoke about being on the same page as army? Once you realize the realities, you need to be ready to make the sacrifices to change it. Otherwise live with it. Chinese are perfectly happy living under their autocratic rulers forever. They found a way that works for them. Pakistan has to either find their own way or make their own way. Both requires sacrifices which their leaders are not ready to make as they run away at the sight of any response from establishment. And expecting establishment not to retaliate is idiotic whether you think it is right or wrong
 

PTI leaders ask why Imran Khan's orders ignored about shifting protest to Sangjani​


The Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) held a meeting of its political committee where members openly voiced concerns about deviation from the party founder's directives during the recent Islamabad protest.

According to sources, the committee expressed serious reservations about the decision to stage a protest at D-Chowk instead of Sangjani, as directed by party Founder Imran Khan. Members questioned why the leadership's instructions were disregarded, reflecting a clear divide within the party.

“Why were the PTI founder’s directives not implemented?” committee members reportedly questioned, stating that Imran Khan had given a call for Islamabad, not D-Chowk.

The sources said that the meeting also agreed to pursue legal action on the alleged deaths of PTI workers and resolved to demand the formation of a judicial commission to investigate the deaths of party workers and security personnel. The meeting also discussed the future strategy of the PTI, the sources added.

Later, a core committee meeting was held under the chairmanship of PTI Chairman Barrister Gohar, where members reviewed the outcomes of the protest and negotiations with the government. The committee expressed sorrow and regret over the loss of security personnel and workers during the demonstrations.

Earlier on Wednesday, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Chief Minister Ali Amin Gandapur strongly condemned the government's alleged use of live bullets against the PTI party workers. He accused the government of fascism and oppression against the PTI over the past two and a half years.

Addressing a press conference in Mansehra, Gandapur claimed the PTI was a peaceful party dedicated to the rule of law, protection, and the promotion of true democracy for the younger generation.

"We are peacefully demanding our legitimate rights, but instead of being heard, we face repression," he insisted. He expressed frustration over the lack of justice from the courts and the disregard for the sanctity of parliament. "Whenever we talk about holding a meeting or protesting, we are not allowed," he added.

Gandapur specifically pointed to the PTI's recent attempts to hold peaceful protests, including the sit-in at D-Chowk in Islamabad, which he said had been met with violent suppression.

Addressing a press conference, Islamabad Inspector General of Police (IGP) Ali Nasir Rizvi said that in a joint operation, the police and Rangers arrested 954 protesters in three days, including 610 yesterday alone. Moreover, 210 vehicles and a large number of weapons were seized.

He further said 71 law enforcement officers were injured, including 52 just on Tuesday. Of these, 27 were shot at and three Rangers personnel martyred. The financial losses due to the protests are in billions of rupees, he added.

 
I think this is relevant but gotta admire the way Modi govt and Amit Shah handled the farmers protests and the CAA protests with almost 0 casualties and escalation. Handled it like champs.One small slip would have let to chaos. Looking at Bangladesh and Pakistan, gotta give everyone in Indian administration and police their due. Small things like this makes me so appreciative of the Indian govt.
India is a democratic country, Pakistan is not. What’s your point? Do you also appreciate how India is still a 3rd world rotten country after 80 years of independence and properly functioning democracy where millions are looking to escape?
 
Respect for all the people that came out despite of knowing the consequences of their protest. It takes a lot of courage to pushback against a fascist regime. Those here chest thumping behind their powerful masters in boots would get a heart attack if that cover was taken from them.
 
This thread is being derailed by bakwas of Indian govt. And blah blah.

Pakistan is having its own problem not comparable to India. The country is at crossroads where more than a majority are fed up of the current routine and sooner or later this will end.

As for PTI leaders yes they are not angels but don't forget how things work in the country , the Sharifs even after 40 years in politics are lapdog of est.

Billawal the son of Benazir is neither a partridge nor quail. So what do you expect from Gohar Ali Khan & Gandapur.

But PTI workers they are strong courageous and full of patriotism even in this protest there was no case of any robbery theft or breaking of law.

You live to die 4 another day
 
Last night showed that PK army has totally lost any moral authority. How can an army kill its own unarmed citizens. It's what occupiers do? It's what Inds do in Kashmir or the Israelis do in Palestine. Our army killed innocent people to stay in power illegally. This was a war crime
If I had a dollar for everytime this was repeated. Do people not know the reality of Pakistani fauj? They are a mafia worse than any cartel because they are aslo backed by international establishments. Any uprising will be crushed and people will be massacarred just like the 1857 war of independence. The change will come in due time and with enough sacrifices. People need to have patience.
 
If I had a dollar for everytime this was repeated. Do people not know the reality of Pakistani fauj? They are a mafia worse than any cartel because they are aslo backed by international establishments. Any uprising will be crushed and people will be massacarred just like the 1857 war of independence. The change will come in due time and with enough sacrifices. People need to have patience.
I am the son of soldier and 2 of my uncles also served along with my maternal Grandfather. It pains me that Quaid-e-Azams PK has an army that kills people for plots and power. The job of the army is to protect its people, not to kill innocent, unarmed civilians. We know the international establishment is behind these crooks,just imagine if the Iranian army had done this. Just imagine the live reports on CNN and BBC. I have gone from defending them (maybe naively) to seeing them as evil thugs.
 
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This thread is being derailed by bakwas of Indian govt. And blah blah.

Pakistan is having its own problem not comparable to India. The country is at crossroads where more than a majority are fed up of the current routine and sooner or later this will end.

As for PTI leaders yes they are not angels but don't forget how things work in the country , the Sharifs even after 40 years in politics are lapdog of est.

Billawal the son of Benazir is neither a partridge nor quail. So what do you expect from Gohar Ali Khan & Gandapur.

But PTI workers they are strong courageous and full of patriotism even in this protest there was no case of any robbery theft or breaking of law.

You live to die 4 another day
Our workers are brave and loyal to PK. That's more than you can say for our Generals and their lapd*gs.
 
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This will either end in Imran Khan being freed or another breakup of Pakistan. KPK will not put up with this army rule for much longer and it is only a matter of time before a civil war erupts unless the establishment budges.
 

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This will either end in Imran Khan being freed or another breakup of Pakistan. KPK will not put up with this army rule for much longer and it is only a matter of time before a civil war erupts unless the establishment budges.
IA some in the army will see sense. The breakup of PK has been part of Ind and Nato plan for a long time
 
Terrorism cases filed against Imran Khan, Bushra Bibi, Ali Amin Gandapur over D-Chowk protest

The Islamabad police have filed eight cases against the leadership of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI), including its founder Imran Khan, along with thousands of party workers, in connection with protests in the capital's D-Chowk area.

The FIRs name PTI founder Imran Khan, his wife Bushra Bibi, party leaders Ali Amin Gandapur, Salman Akram Raja, Sheikh Waqas Akram, and several local leaders, as well as thousands of unidentified individuals.

According to Express News, the charges against the PTI leaders and their supporters include terrorism, violation of the Assembly Act, attacks on police personnel, abduction, interference in government affairs, and defiance of Section 144, which prohibits gatherings of more than four people.

The cases have been registered at various police stations in the capital, including Shehzad Town, Sohala, Bani Gala, Khanna, Shams Colony, Tarnol, Noon, and Nilor.

The charges reflect the severity of the unrest caused by the protests, which led to clashes with law enforcement and disruption of public order. The PTI leadership and their supporters continue to face legal challenges as the government seeks to address the situation through the judicial system.


 
Terrorism cases filed against Imran Khan, Bushra Bibi, Ali Amin Gandapur over D-Chowk protest

The Islamabad police have filed eight cases against the leadership of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI), including its founder Imran Khan, along with thousands of party workers, in connection with protests in the capital's D-Chowk area.

The FIRs name PTI founder Imran Khan, his wife Bushra Bibi, party leaders Ali Amin Gandapur, Salman Akram Raja, Sheikh Waqas Akram, and several local leaders, as well as thousands of unidentified individuals.

According to Express News, the charges against the PTI leaders and their supporters include terrorism, violation of the Assembly Act, attacks on police personnel, abduction, interference in government affairs, and defiance of Section 144, which prohibits gatherings of more than four people.

The cases have been registered at various police stations in the capital, including Shehzad Town, Sohala, Bani Gala, Khanna, Shams Colony, Tarnol, Noon, and Nilor.

The charges reflect the severity of the unrest caused by the protests, which led to clashes with law enforcement and disruption of public order. The PTI leadership and their supporters continue to face legal challenges as the government seeks to address the situation through the judicial system.


But not on people that killed innocent, unarmed protesters.
 
So where are these thousands of bodies and injured people In age of cell phones and social media it would be simply impossible to cover up such a massacre.
 
So where are these thousands of bodies and injured people In age of cell phones and social media it would be simply impossible to cover up such a massacre.

There's a reason why the internet services were completely zilch at certain time frames. The mafia are criminals. And criminals can stoop to any levels
 
There's a reason why the internet services were completely zilch at certain time frames. The mafia are criminals. And criminals can stoop to any levels

Not possible even the Chinese couldn't stop such videos of massacres in xianjiang , concentration camps , forced marriages , forced abortions.
Intl media including al jazeera was present there on d chowk .
There's also satellite images from international agencies which can take images.

So stop telling fake tales


You couldn't cover such a massacre

If we believed you insafians pmln are nazis ans munira is reincarnation of pol Pott.
 
Have never been utterly depressed and dissapointed at the state of affairs in the country. All this is happening because the Establishment, PDM are demanding that IK, PTI will not come after them for everything that has occurred in the last 2-3 years and IK is refusing to give any amnesty, NRO this time.

Other compromised PTI leaders have promised this amnesty, NRO but even the establishment knows that these leaders have zero aukaat, value among the masses and that their popularity is a result of IK's sponsorship and if IK is removed from the scene as a whole then no matter how much they support, sponsor these leaders, PTI the party collapses to zero and cannot be used as a third option against PML-N and PPP.
 
Not possible even the Chinese couldn't stop such videos of massacres in xianjiang , concentration camps , forced marriages , forced abortions.
Intl media including al jazeera was present there on d chowk .
There's also satellite images from international agencies which can take images.

So stop telling fake tales


You couldn't cover such a massacre

If we believed you insafians pmln are nazis ans munira is reincarnation of pol Pott.

So all the videos I've been forwarded of guns firing, men's heads bleeding and crowds running away from gun fire are fabricated?
 
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