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Army chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa gets six months conditional extension by Supreme Court

Khosa called Nawaz Sharif Godfather running a party akin to a Mafia.

I don’t mind this decision, rules must be followed. However, is [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] man enough to accept Khosa’s verdict against his Master or will he remain true to his Indian self and do a runner?
 
Khosa called Nawaz Sharif Godfather running a party akin to a Mafia.

I don’t mind this decision, rules must be followed. However, is [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] man enough to accept Khosa’s verdict against his Master or will he remain true to his Indian self and do a runner?

As per Shri Mamoon Ramdev Ji, at that point judiciary was under the influence of the establishment.
 
What would happen if Bajwa were to get extension for 3 years? Pakistan will ceased to exist, Pakistani economy will get worse or you will stop clutching at straws?

Kashmir is only one of the reason.

Read post #42. It sets the wrong precedence because if you make an exception for one or two, you open a can of worms. When do you say no and under what circumstances? Why not appointing them for 6 years directly to quench their thirst for power?
 
You are hurting from the humiliation Bajwa gave your friend Modi in March. Bajwa should remain as long as IK wants him and he is doing an excellent job. Remember the WAR HYSTERIA by the Hindutuva in March, what happened besides the utter humiliation for Modi. Stick to Fazlu and the crooks!

Imran doesn’t have the “aukaat” to want Bajwa. It is not his call because he will do what Bajwa commands. That is why CJP deserves credit for showing some guts that Imran lost years ago.
 
Khosa called Nawaz Sharif Godfather running a party akin to a Mafia.

I don’t mind this decision, rules must be followed. However, is [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] man enough to accept Khosa’s verdict against his Master or will he remain true to his Indian self and do a runner?

Post #76.
 
Read post #42. It sets the wrong precedence because if you make an exception for one or two, you open a can of worms. When do you say no and under what circumstances? Why not appointing them for 6 years directly to quench their thirst for power?

NO!

Justice Khosa argument is that "Only a President can extend the tenure of COAS", his extension was suspended on technicalities not if it is illegal.

You have no argument, just opinion, nothing was illegal about it and nothing was odd about extending tenure of COAS.

At times you need right people on top to hold the position for extended time, it has happened in many institution and it will continue to happen.
 
Imran doesn’t have the “aukaat” to want Bajwa. It is not his call because he will do what Bajwa commands. That is why CJP deserves credit for showing some guts that Imran lost years ago.

So now the Judiciary is making good decisions or it isn't when it gets overturned. You are such a loser.
 
I have a bad feeling that this will create unnecessary further tensions between relevant houses and parliament.

What is going to happen is that President will extend COAS with majority of the session present and there will be no issues.

However, this SC Judge is going to be replaced next month. And at that time all hue will be created by media that if COAS can be extended why can't the judge? This will become a big story in Pakistan and many news channel would cover it. That is why I think this all was completely unnecessary and done to have some leverage when the time comes for Judge extension next month.
 
I accept that I got Justice Khosa wrong, although my criticism was and remains valid if this was NS bail. So do you believe that the establishment made the decision or Justice Khosa in the NS case. You can't have it both ways. Was it an excellent decision or what?

You didn’t get anything right or wrong. You got caught with your pants down because you yourself are guilty of what you accuse me of.

You were happy to praise Khosa and praise the Supreme Court when he passed the verdict against Nawaz, but you were quick to accuse Khosa of favoring the crooks and called the Supreme Court a joke when they made a decision that you didn’t like.

Please look into it your own collar first before throwing accusations at others, a concept PTI politicians and supporters do not have the capacity to understand.

As I said to you earlier and as I have said many times, the Supreme Court passed the verdict against Nawaz because of the pressure of the establishment. I wish they would have shown more guts at the time but they didn’t, and I do understand because they all have families to protect. It wasn’t a good or bad decision because it wasn’t their decision in the first place.
 
You didn’t get anything right or wrong. You got caught with your pants down because you yourself are guilty of what you accuse me of.

You were happy to praise Khosa and praise the Supreme Court when he passed the verdict against Nawaz, but you were quick to accuse Khosa of favoring the crooks and called the Supreme Court a joke when they made a decision that you didn’t like.

Please look into it your own collar first before throwing accusations at others, a concept PTI politicians and supporters do not have the capacity to understand.

As I said to you earlier and as I have said many times, the Supreme Court passed the verdict against Nawaz because of the pressure of the establishment. I wish they would have shown more guts at the time but they didn’t, and I do understand because they all have families to protect. It wasn’t a good or bad decision because it wasn’t their decision in the first place.

No, mine is criticism on a individual decision and there was also Maryams that I think was wrong but unlike you, I didn't suggest that someone else made the decision.
 
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You didn’t get anything right or wrong. You got caught with your pants down because you yourself are guilty of what you accuse me of.

You were happy to praise Khosa and praise the Supreme Court when he passed the verdict against Nawaz, but you were quick to accuse Khosa of favoring the crooks and called the Supreme Court a joke when they made a decision that you didn’t like.

Please look into it your own collar first before throwing accusations at others, a concept PTI politicians and supporters do not have the capacity to understand.

As I said to you earlier and as I have said many times, the Supreme Court passed the verdict against Nawaz because of the pressure of the establishment. I wish they would have shown more guts at the time but they didn’t, and I do understand because they all have families to protect. It wasn’t a good or bad decision because it wasn’t their decision in the first place.

The mental midget strikes again.So when the decision from the SC doesnt suit your political agenda they are not making the decisions- so tell us wise one who is making them? Gen Bajawa? except he was the one at the end of the negative decision yesterday! Make up your mind stop hiding.
 
There is a precedence but that precedence needs to be stopped. Perhaps you can answer the following questions:

Is the next COAS in line incapable? Would India suddenly be all over Pakistan because of his incompetence? Does Bajwa not have faith in his the military?

What will change over the next 3 years? Will Modi not be in power?

Will India‘s policy towards Pakistan change? Will the Kashmir no longer be a issue? Will the forces of Pakistan and India play Ludo at LoC?

Will Pakistan no longer accuse India of having non-state actors in Balochistan?

If the next COAS will handle things after 3 years, why cannot he do it now?

Answer these questions and I will stop clutching at straws. In fact, any poster who is supporting Bajwa’s extension are free to answer these questions.

You still haven’t answered the question.
This is what you posted:

If Bajwa has any dignity and grace, he would resign immediately.

The question posed was what has Bajwa done wrong to forward his resignation?

Your following posts have already been countered.
 
Read post #42. It sets the wrong precedence because if you make an exception for one or two, you open a can of worms. When do you say no and under what circumstances? Why not appointing them for 6 years directly to quench their thirst for power?
The precedence is already set by previous governments. This government is qualifying the reasons why they want to extend the tenure. That’s the difference.
Can you explain what reasons were given by Gilani (Zardari) to extend the term of Kiani?
 
I have a bad feeling that this will create unnecessary further tensions between relevant houses and parliament.

What is going to happen is that President will extend COAS with majority of the session present and there will be no issues.

However, this SC Judge is going to be replaced next month. And at that time all hue will be created by media that if COAS can be extended why can't the judge? This will become a big story in Pakistan and many news channel would cover it. That is why I think this all was completely unnecessary and done to have some leverage when the time comes for Judge extension next month.

Interesting if true!!
 
I highly doubt that changing the head of Army would make too much difference. Sure, each leader brings his own unique style of administration but I don’t think it has much impact on the army’s day-to-day operations.
To me, the whole controversy seems to be along politically symbolic lines. Here, continuation is granted to one institution whereas the other institution seems to be in the eternal fight for its very existence.
Now one can claim that we are in the middle of the war on terror but then again we feel the need to project to the world that we are a country as safe as any.
If peace or lack of it is dependent on one and only one person in the country being in the office then I don’t think the peace can last for too long.
 
The Supreme Court on Wednesday adjourned the hearing of a case pertaining to the extension/reappointment in incumbent Army Chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa's tenure until tomorrow.

The three-year term of Gen Bajwa, who is reaching the age of superannuation [60 years] next year, as Chief of the Army Staff (COAS) is ending on Thursday at midnight. He will be able to continue his service if the SC decides the case in his favour before Nov 29.

Farogh Naseem (right), who is representing the Army Chief today, arrives at Supreme Court. — DawnNewsTV
An SC bench comprising Chief Justice of Pakistan Asif Saeed Khosa, Justice Mian Mazhar Alam Khan Miankhel and Justice Syed Mansoor Ali Shah heard the case. The army chief was represented by Farogh Naseem, who resigned from his post as law minister yesterday to pursue the case, while Attorney General (AG) Anwar Mansoor Khan presented arguments on behalf of the government.

The chief justice, before wrapping up the hearing for the day, said that there were three points which the court will consider:

He said that the first two issues are very important and based on those, the court will announce its decision.

It is pertinent to mention that over the past two decades, Gen Raheel Sharif is the only army chief to have retired on time.

'Govt should step back and assess'
The day-long hearing was adjourned twice. The second time the court resumed proceedings, the attorney general informed the court that the summary which notifies Gen Bajwa's extension had referred to Article 243 and Article 245 of the Constitution.

The chief justice pointed out that the prime minister had requested a reappointment whereas the president had issued a notification for extension in the army chief's tenure.

At this, the courtroom erupted into laughter.

"Please do not do something like this," said Justice Shah.

The chief justice wondered how it was that no one had bothered to read the summary once again.

"They never bothered to check what is written and what they are sending," he said.

The attorney general chalked the gaffe up to "clerical errors" by the ministry, adding that the army chief is due to retire at midnight tomorrow.

"Why do you make such errors?" asked the chief justice.

"On the one hand it says he is retiring while on the other, it says he is not retiring. Then it states that the army chief does not retire at all. Please clarify this," the bench remarked.

"Army officers are respectable but the law ministry, with its erroneous documentation, has attempted to disrespect them," said the chief justice.

"If his tenure had not been extended and if he had retired, then what would have happened?" asked Justice Shah.

"Then he would have handed over command to his subordinate," said the attorney general, adding that the government notification had not specified a duration.

The chief justice also questioned the wisdom behind referring to conventions when the law is available for guidance.

He said that only where the law is silent should conventions be employed.

The attorney general said that since there was nothing specified regarding the duration of tenure, the 1947 Convention had been referred to.

"What kind of laws are being made? They are not suitable even for the appointment of an assistant commissioner," remarked the chief justice.

"You have turned the army chief into a shuttlecock," he said, adding: "You should have the degrees of those people examined who are responsible for drafting these documents."

Justice Shah wondered how an army chief can be reappointed to the office "when he is no longer part of the staff".

At this, the chief justice once more inquired whether a retired officer can be reappointed.

The attorney general said that "until command is handed over to another general, the army chief cannot be considered retired", contending that the army as an institution cannot operate without a chief.

"There is still time. The government should step back and assess what it is doing," the chief justice remarked. "They should not do something like this with a high-ranking officer."

The attorney general argued that the process was "nothing new". "Extensions were notified in the same manner in the past."

To this, Justice Alam responded: "In the past the court never stepped in to assess someone's extension in tenure."

The chief justice pointed out that in each of the summaries — of the cabinet, prime minister and president — there was a different viewpoint.

"Please resolve these discrepancies by tomorrow. We are not against anyone," he said, adding that the court will decide the matter in accordance with the law.

'What is the duration of a tenure?'
In the first half of the hearing, Justice Shah inquired if a retired general can be appointed as army chief, to which AG Khan said: "Maybe a retired general can be appointed [army chief] but there is no precedent."

Justice Shah also observed that Article 243 of the Constitution talks about the appointment of an officer and asked: "Does it mention the period of appointment as well?"

Justice Shah asked if a general can continue to work if his tenure is extended two days before his retirement.

"Where does it say that it is a three-year term [for an extension]?" he asked. The attorney general admitted that the period of the tenure is not specified in the rules.

"The term tenure is used but the duration has not been specified anywhere," the AG said.

"The matter of the period of army chief's tenure is very important," the chief justice said. "In the past, five or six generals have granted themselves extensions. We will look at this matter closely so that this does not happen in the future.

"This is an extremely important matter [and] the Constitution is quiet about this," he added.

"This is about the matters of extension and reappointment," Justice Shah said. "How will you prove this legally?"

The attorney general insisted that the "definition of appointment also includes reappointment".

"The rules mention retirement and discharge," the chief justice noted.

He observed that the federal government can only suspend a retirement after an individual retires.

He further said that the retirement of an army chief "can be temporarily delayed" if a war is underway. The attorney general, however, argued that the delay in retirement is not temporary.

The AG said that according to Article 176 of the Army Act, officials can be granted an extension of two months in case of a war.

"According to the law, during a war, the army chief can stop officers' retirements," the CJP noted. "However, the government wants to stop the army chief's retirement."

Referring to the amendment in Section 255 of the Army Rules and Regulations, the chief justice asked: "Under which section of the Constitution and law was the rule amended?"

He then pointed out that Section 255 did not concern the army chief.

"The section that you amended is not about the army chief at all," Justice Khosa said. "Section 255 is regarding those officials who have retired or have been expelled from service."

The attorney general explained that he had just received the amended document to which Justice Miankhel responded: "We didn't even get that."

The hearing was adjourned until 1pm.

Understanding the Army Act
As the hearing resumed, the chief justice suggested that instead of "giving answers in pieces", it would be better if the court first understands the Army Act.

"There are two ways to go about this: we can either allow you to conclude your arguments and then read the laws or you can discuss the law first and then present your arguments," Justice Khosa said.

"I will answer every question the court has," AG Anwar said.

"Giving answers in pieces does no good," the chief justice said. "How will we understand your arguments without understanding the Army Act?"

Justice Shah once again asked AG Khan if a retired general can be appointed as the army chief. The attorney general said that the appointment and tenure are decided under the 1947 Convention.

He vowed to "satisfy the court regarding the reappointment of the army chief".

Justice Khosa emphasised that the court was looking at the rules regarding the tenure of the army chief, not a general.

"This is a court of law; it is the law we are looking at, not personalities," Justice Khosa remarked. "If something is wrong as per the law, we cannot say that it is correct. If [the decision] is not correct as per the law, we will give our verdict."

The attorney general, in response, urged the court "not to be so strict about the law". "Sometimes, the stick can break from stiffness," he said.

"First, present your legal arguments," the chief justice told him.

The bench told the attorney general to read out the first three chapters of the Army Act, so that the court can understand the rules.

"The matter of the tenure's duration is surfacing again and again so tell us about that," Justice Shah said.

The attorney general told the court that the duration of the tenure was not mentioned in the Army Act, but the rules discussed the extension in tenure.

"Rules are always drafted in line with acts and laws," Justice Khosa said and added: "There is nothing in the act, which stops the retirement of a very capable officer."

As AG Khan read out Section 16 and 17, the chief justice pointed out that they were regarding dismissal from employment.

The attorney general told the court that the army chief has the authority to dismiss anyone from their post.

"Can the federal government also remove someone from their post?" asked Justice Shah to which the attorney general replied: "Army chief's powers are limited, but the federal government has complete authority. Army chief can dismiss junior officials."

The chief justice said that the government can order the retirement of any officer, including the field marshall "voluntarily or by force".

The attorney general argued that the "army is not a democratic institution" and that it "runs through command all over the world".

"We know that," said Justice Shah.

AG Khan then read out the oath sworn by officers when they are appointed in the army.

"The oath of an army officer says that they would lay down their lives if need be. This is a very significant thing," the chief justice observed.

"'I will never involve myself in any political activities.' This sentence is also part of the oath. It is a very good thing to stay away from political activities," Justice Khosa remarked.

The hearing was adjourned again.

Cabinet's approval
At the outset of the hearing, CJP Khosa said that media had misunderstood yesterday's proceedings and clarified that the court had not taken suo motu notice. "We are continuing your petition," the top judge told the petitioner who was in court today.

As the hearing started around 9:30am, AG Khan took to the rostrum and said he wished to "clarify something". "I referred to army rules yesterday. The court wrote 'law' in its order," the AG said, to which the chief justice said: "The court had given its order after looking at your documents."

Referring to the point raised by the court yesterday that only 11 members of the cabinet had earlier approved the extension, Justice Shah observed: "Answers were not submitted in the time fixed for cabinet members."

"According to Rule 19, silence can mean an agreement," the AG said.

He said that under Article 243 of the Constitution, the cabinet cannot send recommendations for the army chief's appointment.

"If the recommendation of the cabinet is not required, then why was this matter sent to the cabinet twice?" the chief justice inquired.

"The army chief commands the military. The president appoints the army chief on the prime minister's recommendations," the attorney general told the court.

Justice Shah said that it is "very clear that the prime minister is the one who sends recommendations for army chief's appointment".

The chief justice also appreciated that the government "admitted the shortcomings pointed out yesterday and they were corrected".

The attorney general, however, said that the points that were raised by the bench regarding government's decision to extend Gen Bajwa's tenure during yesterday's hearing "had not been accepted as shortcomings".

"If they were not accepted as shortcomings, why were they corrected?" Justice Khosa inquired.

"I will clarify this," the AG said. "The impression that only 11 members of the federal cabinet had answered 'yes' is wrong."

"If the rest answered 'yes', tell us how much time they took," said Justice Khosa. "Eleven members had written 'yes' in the document you submitted yesterday.

"If you have received a new document then show it to us."

Suspension of notification
In an unanticipated development on Tuesday, CJP Khosa had suspended the federal government's notification of Gen Bajwa's extension and issued notices to the army chief, defence ministry and the federal government.

The Supreme Court said the AG could not refer to any provision in any legal instrument regarding extension in service of the army chief upon completion of his first term for his re-appointment.

Shortly after the extension order was struck down by the top court, the cabinet amended Section 255 of the Army Rules and Regulations (ARR) and included the words “extension in tenure” to meet the legal lacuna in the rule.

It also emerged that the federal cabinet in its two sittings, Prime Minister Imran Khan and President Dr Arif Alvi approved a fresh notification for the extension of the COAS.

It is pertinent to mention that over the past two decades, Gen Raheel Sharif is the only army chief to have retired on time.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1519144/s...ng-tomorrow-on-extension-of-gen-bajwas-tenure
 
Pakistan's judiciary is a joke, the same supreme court which is now interfering in the extension of the coas tenure, directed Ayaan Ali's name be removed from the ECL. There was no hue and cry by the PPP and PML N over the judiciary being pressurized by any establishment back then and neither are they complaining now but funny how khalai makhloooq became an issue again when ganja was disqualified from politics in 2017

The real establishment of the country is PML-N and PPP, nothing less
 
Pakistan's judiciary is a joke, the same supreme court which is now interfering in the extension of the coas tenure, directed Ayaan Ali's name be removed from the ECL. There was no hue and cry by the PPP and PML N over the judiciary being pressurized by any establishment back then and neither are they complaining now but funny how khalai makhloooq became an issue again when ganja was disqualified from politics in 2017

The real establishment of the country is PML-N and PPP, nothing less

Sarcasm?
 
I don't get it. The SC finds a technical error in the appointment process, which is easily correctable. so whats the fuss all about here ? the people/fake pakistanis/indian media/ who are celeberating this news are living in lala land.

even if the current COAS gives his resignation (which he isnt going to) and Govt appoints new COAS, the situation isnt gonna change for any of them.
anyone who knows how the Army works as an institute, should know that.
also the next 4 in line Army chiefs are carbon copy of Gen Raheel Sharif or Gen Musharraf.
 
Pakistan politicians should not agree with extension to any army chief no matter how much they like him.

Look at Imran Khan's hypocrisy. In the past when he was not in power, he was of the opinion that no army chief should get an extension no matter how worst the conditions are. And now when he comes into power, he is giving extension to army chief :facepalm:
 
You still haven’t answered the question.
This is what you posted:



The question posed was what has Bajwa done wrong to forward his resignation?

Your following posts have already been countered.

I will address both of your consecutive posts here.

Bajwa has not done anything wrong here. It is his constitutional right to demand an extension. However, the President is only supposed to approve the extension if there is a valid justification. As I asked previously and you ignored, what are the valid justifications? Is the next in line incapable? What will change in three years?

Please refer to post #42 and answer those questions since I have answered yours.

Furthermore, Zardari was also wrong to give extension to Kayani, and the only reason Raheel didn’t get extension from PMLN because KSA bought his services.

Nevertheless, Imran was supposed to usher an era of accountability and merit. He claimed that he will strengthen institutions and not individuals. He vehemently criticized the extension provided to Kayani. So why did he approve the extension for Bajwa?

Please watch this video:

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The mental midget strikes again.So when the decision from the SC doesnt suit your political agenda they are not making the decisions- so tell us wise one who is making them? Gen Bajawa? except he was the one at the end of the negative decision yesterday! Make up your mind stop hiding.

Ousting governments is the military’s domain. They have it throughout the course of Pakistan’s history and the judiciary is powerless on that front. If Imran is ousted tomorrow over the foreign funding case, I won’t praise the judiciary because it will be obvious that it is the work of the military.
 
C’mon Bajwa, there is still time to prove that you are a man of dignity and honor. Get over your lust for power and hand in your resignation. I personally like him more than most of the previous chiefs so I am still hopeful that he will act with grace.
 
Ousting governments is the military’s domain. They have it throughout the course of Pakistan’s history and the judiciary is powerless on that front. If Imran is ousted tomorrow over the foreign funding case, I won’t praise the judiciary because it will be obvious that it is the work of the military.

Yes you would. Remember 2 weeks ago when you were desperate for the crooked Diesel to overthrow IK. What do you call that? Because you were humiliated, you went quiet.
 
C’mon Bajwa, there is still time to prove that you are a man of dignity and honor. Get over your lust for power and hand in your resignation. I personally like him more than most of the previous chiefs so I am still hopeful that he will act with grace.

I'm in two minds personally, not a fan of giving extensions however I believe Bajwa has been one of the saner minds to hold the position. What if the next chief is the second coming of Musharraf?
 
Yes you would. Remember 2 weeks ago when you were desperate for the crooked Diesel to overthrow IK. What do you call that? Because you were humiliated, you went quiet.

How can a person who has zero shame feel any humiliation?
 
How can a person who has zero shame feel any humiliation?

The guy is humiliated day in day out. Never ever comes back on points raised by [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] nor addresses them before coming back with new ** and the cycle repeats. Reminds me of Trump and Boris. Who throw sh1t after sh1t at the wall hoping some sticks.
 
I'm in two minds personally, not a fan of giving extensions however I believe Bajwa has been one of the saner minds to hold the position. What if the next chief is the second coming of Musharraf?

As Imran Khan said before he became a puppet, you have to strengthen the institutions and not the individuals.

If you keep giving extensions to army chiefs on weak grounds, you set a terrible precedence. When do you say no to an extension?

By not allowing the next in line to take over, you exhibit a lack of faith in institutions and showcasing that you are reliant on individuals.

We are told that Pakistan Army is very professional and organized, so there is no reason for us to act with skepticism and not have faith in the next chief.

I don’t think we will have another Musharraf at least in the near future. His tenure damaged the credibility of the military. Since 2007-2008, they have played the “we support democracy” act and have decided that it is better to pull the strings from behind the curtains instead of an outright coup.

Imran was practically begging for a coup during 2013 and 2018, but they decided to attach strings to his back instead of taking over directly.

Moreover, these army chiefs are amongst the most corrupt individuals in the country. People have no idea how much wealth and properties they accumulate in these 3 years, which is in addition to the 100 acre land that they get from the government after retirement.

The reason why PTI cult-members don’t talk about the corruption of the military elite is because the military elite is not subjected to accountability, and thus the public have the misplaced impression that they are honest patriots.
 
Pakistan has not maintained hostility against India since early 2000.

India has over 900K troops in Kashmir against the will of the people of Kashmir.

India illegally violated Pakistani territory on false narrative. Pakistan return the soldier immediately, which was used by Indian government as "Pakistani were scared", it is Indian media which demand loyalty from every India who has anything to do with Pakistan, it is India media which make up things out of thin air.

Now please explain who is maintaining hostility.


Pakistan is only supporting an armed terrorist separatist movement in India. Its only harbouring UN designated terrorists and terrorist organisations.It only refuses to punish perpetrators of Mumbai attacks.

Lol.
 
Yes you would. Remember 2 weeks ago when you were desperate for the crooked Diesel to overthrow IK. What do you call that? Because you were humiliated, you went quiet.

You can celebrate Maulana’s failure but I prefer to consider the bigger picture. Maulana himself is nothing, he is just a means to the end.

Dharnas and protests don’t fail. They serve to weaken the government. The dharna proved one thing. Maulana is a hypocrite who is also supported by a faction with the military who are unhappy with Imran giving Bajwa extension and who want to see both Imran and Bajwa go.

As I told you earlier, I will support the military if they oust Imran, since it will be an act (intentional or unintentional) of national interest.

Imran does not deserve to be the PM, not even a puppet one.

He is an actor. He is ignorant and a liar who has no conviction in what he says. He backtracks in everything. Look at the video I posted above, where he criticizes the extension for Kayani.

Furthermore, Imran’s honesty is an act designed to conceal the foreign funding case and how his sister bought properties worth millions of dollars on the pretext of sewing machines.

Imran’s accountability drama also failed when Nawaz walked out of jail without paying a penny. What happened to the $12b and the bonds?

Imran is only good for one thing - spreading hate and poison in the society by creating factions and polarizing opinion. That is why I call PTI’s tabdeeli drama a virus. Unfortunately, an anti-virus has not been developed yet.

For me the real question is that how will the PTI members function as normal members of the society once the PTI drama is over?

The shameless frauds like Firdous Awan, Fawad Chaudhry, SMQ, Pervez Khattak etc. would do what they do best, i.e. jump from one party to another, but what about the rest including Imran himself?

Imran has completely lost his sanity or he is a paid actor. These are my only two explanations.

Arguments in support of Imran cannot be reasoned. He wanted to become the PM by hook or crook and he achieved his goal, so I say well done.

However, he was never into governance. That is why he lied about all the promises that he made. Becoming the PM was a milestone that he wanted to achieve after captaining the cricket team, and that is why he has accepted his position as a puppet PM.

That is why the world doesn’t take him seriously because he doesn’t run the country. He is just a civilian face. His cult-followers are in awe of his U.N. speech, but what did it achieve?

How many votes did Pakistan get after his speech? What is the status of Kashmir now?

It is too late for cult-members to think with rationality. They have been brainwashed and poisoned beyond hope and repair.
 
Pakistan is only supporting an armed terrorist separatist movement in India. Its only harbouring UN designated terrorists and terrorist organisations.It only refuses to punish perpetrators of Mumbai attacks.

Lol.

One can only laugh at the statement that Pakistan has not maintained hostility towards India since 2000.

However, at the same time, we should appreciate him because they are people who actually believe that Pakistan has not maintained hostility since 1947.

At least he is better than them, regardless of how deluded or disingenuous he actually is.

Maining hostility with India is the foundation of our foreign policy because it validates our existence and relevance.
 
One can only laugh at the statement that Pakistan has not maintained hostility towards India since 2000.

However, at the same time, we should appreciate him because they are people who actually believe that Pakistan has not maintained hostility since 1947.

At least he is better than them, regardless of how deluded or disingenuous he actually is.

Maining hostility with India is the foundation of our foreign policy because it validates our existence and relevance.

Having such shameless individuals living in Pakistan does defy imagination but in a way its a credit to our nature of freedoms available in Pakistan.
 
All eyes are on the Supreme Court where a three-judge bench is hearing a case pertaining to the extension/reappointment of incumbent Chief of Army Staff (COAS) Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa. A short order is expected later in the day.

The court, before adjourning the hearing for almost two hours, asked the government to submit the following:

an undertaking that the parliament will pass legislation in this regard within six months
an amended notification
The amendments will include the elimination of:

the mention of the Supreme Court
duration of the army chief's tenure
the description of army chief's salary and incentives
As Gen Bajwa is set to retire at midnight, today's hearing is the last opportunity for the government to satisfy the bench — comprising Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Asif Saeed Khosa, Justice Mian Mazhar Alam Khan Miankhel and Justice Syed Mansoor Ali Shah — on the legal grounds of the move.

'Put your house in order'
Before adjourning the hearing briefly, the chief justice told Farogh Naseem that the government should submit a written statement to ensure that the parliament will legislate on the matter within six months.

"If legislation is not done within six months, the appointment will become illegal," he warned.

The chief justice observed that there was "ambiguity in the Army Act".

"Parliament has to remove that ambiguity," Justice Shah said and added: "There is no better forum than the parliament to fix the system."

Justice Miankhel said that it should also be clarified if, in future, the tenure would be extended or if there will be a reappointment.

"The legal complications that we are pointing out will cause you difficulties but do not consider this embarrassing," the chief justice said.

Justice Khosa also said to make sure that the court's mention is removed from the summary and that the summary should also make no mention of the duration of the extension.

"The parts about salary and incentives should also be removed from the summary," he said. "We want all of this to be part of the record."

Addressing Attorney General of Pakistan Anwar Mansoor Khan, the top judge remarked: "Put your house in order."

Notifications of previous army chiefs
At the outset of the hearing at 9:30am, the bench directed AG Khan to submit the extension notification issued for former army chief Gen (retd) Ashfaq Pervez Kayani as well as that of Gen (retd) Raheel Sharif's retirement in the court.

It is pertinent to mention that over the past two decades, Gen Raheel Sharif is the only army chief to have retired on time. Gen Kayani's tenure was extended for another three years by the PPP-led government in 2010. Interestingly, the service extension given to Kayani was also challenged in the Islamabad High Court in 2012. However, it was dismissed by the bench as "non-maintainable" because Article 199 (3) of the Constitution barred the high court from hearing a case against persons subject to the Pakistan Army Act (PAA).

"Under what section was Gen (retd) Kayani granted an extension?" the chief justice asked during today's hearing. "We want to see what pension and perks Gen Kayani got after retirement."

Referring to the retirement of army generals, Justice Khosa said: "If an army general never retires, then under what rule did Raheel Sharif retire?"

"You said that generals never retire; if they don't retire, then they wouldn't be entitled to pension either," he observed. The attorney general said that he wanted to assist the court on the matter.

Justice Khosa said that the court will examine the grounds on which Gen (retd) Kayani was granted an extension and adjourned the hearing for 15 minutes.

Meanwhile, the Pakistan Bar Council restored the license of Farogh Naseem, who stepped down as law minister to represent Gen Bajwa. The CJP had told him yesterday that the court didn’t want to waste time on a side issue to let the institution of army suffer and asked Naseem to settle the licence issue or come with an associate if he wanted to argue on COAS behalf.

CJP irked over court's mention in draft notification
After the hearing resumed, the AG submitted the summary of the draft notification for Gen Bajwa's extension prepared by the government yesterday. Following the court's adjournment on Wednesday, an emergency meeting was called at Prime Minister House in the evening to debate the government's strategy for today's hearing. The meeting was attended by Gen Bajwa himself, along with Prime Minister Imran and several ministers.

Upon examining the summary, the CJP berated the attorney general over the mention of the Supreme Court's proceedings in the draft notification.

"Bear your own burden, why do you use our name?" Justice Khosa asked. "Do your own work, why do you drag us in the middle?"

He directed the attorney general to eliminate the mention of the court from the summary, saying: "The court's name has been used so we cannot even point out what's wrong."

He raised questions over the appointment of the army chief, noting that the post was already occupied by Gen Bajwa.

"How can an appointment be made on a position that is already occupied?" the chief justice asked.

It seems like this time a lot of thought has been put into drafting the notification, the chief justice remarked. "Take out the part about the court's advice," Justice Khosa directed the attorney general. "If the president seeks our advice, that is a different matter."

Referring to the army chief's participation in yesterday's meeting, Justice Khosa said: "It is embarrassing that the army chief has to keep an eye on summaries instead of the country's defence."

Loophole in laws
Justice Shah noted once again that the law does not mention that the duration of the tenure is three years.

The chief justice noted that the summary had mentioned that the duration of the army chief's tenure will be three years. He said that Article 243 does not mention the three-year duration.

"If they find an extraordinary general tomorrow, will they grant him an extension of 30 years?" he remarked and stressed that there should be a clear system that everyone is aware of. He said that the three-year appointment will "become an example".

"The government may want to appoint the next army chief for one year," he commented.

The chief justice regretted that no one had examined the law while extensions were being granted all these years.

"There is no check on the activities that are going on in cantonment or under which law an action is being taken," he said.

"Now a constitutional institution is examining this matter."

He said that the process of appointment on a constitutional post should be clear and asked AG Khan how long it would take for the government to draft laws in this regard. The attorney general told the bench that the government will require three months, adding that a separate law will be drafted in relation to the army chief.

Justice Shah, in his remarks, said that yesterday the bench had said that generals retire but the attorney general had insisted that they don't.

"The summary neither mentions the army chief's salary nor the perks he is receiving," Justice Shah pointed out. "The attorney general too must have read the laws regarding the army for the first time."

"We are not telling you to pass legislation straight away," Justice Khosa said. "A law that has not been drafted in 72 years cannot be made in a hurry."

He added that the government had "reverted to the Constitution for the first time".

"When a decision is taken in accordance with the Constitution, our hands are tied," the CJP said.

"We were labelled as agents of India and the CIA when we examined the Army Act yesterday," the chief justice regretted. AG Khan told him that India "took a lot of advantage" of yesterday's arguments.

"It is our right to ask questions," the CJP declared. The attorney general lamented that "social media was not under anyone's control".

Justice Shah asked the AG to "suggest how to fix laws regarding the army".

Govt fails to satisfy court
On Wednesday, the chief justice before adjourning the hearing, said that there were three points which the court will consider:

the law
the procedure involved
the grounds for granting the army chief an extension
He had said that the first two issues are very important and based on those, the court will announce its decision. Gen Bajwa will be able to continue his service if the Supreme Court decides the case in his favour before November 29.

Attorney General of Pakistan Anwar Mansoor Khan outside the Supreme Court yesterday. — White Star
During yesterday's hearing, the bench was irked by the fact that after Tuesday’s cabinet meeting, Prime Minister Imran Khan submitted a summary to President Arif Alvi for approval to "reappoint" the army chief on his retirement and the new appointment was made under Article 243(4) of the Constitution, but the notification later issued pertains to the "grant of extension" to the COAS for another term of three years.

The attorney general chalked the gaffe up to "clerical errors" by the ministry.

"No one even bothered to read what they are issuing," Justice Khosa observed, regretting the way the law ministry dealt with the issue.

"Please settle the matter by Thursday because you have only one day or the time will be over and the court will decide in accordance with the Constitution and the law," the chief justice said, highlighting the need for urgency in view of COAS' fast-approaching retirement. “You have amended Regulation 255 of the army rules in Tuesday’s cabinet meeting when it does not deal with the appointment of the army chief but that of other officers,” he observed.

Recalling that several generals in the past had granted themselves extension, the court observed that it was necessary to settle the service matters of the army chief for all times to come.

“Personalities don’t matter to us since it is a court of law,” the CJP said, explaining that the court would be satisfied if everything was done in a legal manner. To understand the scheme of the service structure, the court also asked the AG to read one by one the entire provisions of the Pakistan Army Act (PAA) 1952 as well as the army rules and regulations.

Suspension of notification
In an unanticipated development on Tuesday, CJP Khosa had suspended the federal government's notification of Gen Bajwa's extension and issued notices to the army chief, defence ministry and the federal government.

Read more: Gen Bajwa's extension hangs in balance as CJP suspends govt's notification

The Supreme Court said the AG could not refer to any provision in any legal instrument regarding extension in service of the army chief upon completion of his first term for his re-appointment.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1519326/p...ey-general-asks-govt-to-submit-an-undertaking
 
You can celebrate Maulana’s failure but I prefer to consider the bigger picture. Maulana himself is nothing, he is just a means to the end.

Dharnas and protests don’t fail. They serve to weaken the government. The dharna proved one thing. Maulana is a hypocrite who is also supported by a faction with the military who are unhappy with Imran giving Bajwa extension and who want to see both Imran and Bajwa go.

As I told you earlier, I will support the military if they oust Imran, since it will be an act (intentional or unintentional) of national interest.

Imran does not deserve to be the PM, not even a puppet one.

He is an actor. He is ignorant and a liar who has no conviction in what he says. He backtracks in everything. Look at the video I posted above, where he criticizes the extension for Kayani.

Furthermore, Imran’s honesty is an act designed to conceal the foreign funding case and how his sister bought properties worth millions of dollars on the pretext of sewing machines.

Imran’s accountability drama also failed when Nawaz walked out of jail without paying a penny. What happened to the $12b and the bonds?

Imran is only good for one thing - spreading hate and poison in the society by creating factions and polarizing opinion. That is why I call PTI’s tabdeeli drama a virus. Unfortunately, an anti-virus has not been developed yet.

For me the real question is that how will the PTI members function as normal members of the society once the PTI drama is over?

The shameless frauds like Firdous Awan, Fawad Chaudhry, SMQ, Pervez Khattak etc. would do what they do best, i.e. jump from one party to another, but what about the rest including Imran himself?

Imran has completely lost his sanity or he is a paid actor. These are my only two explanations.

Arguments in support of Imran cannot be reasoned. He wanted to become the PM by hook or crook and he achieved his goal, so I say well done.

However, he was never into governance. That is why he lied about all the promises that he made. Becoming the PM was a milestone that he wanted to achieve after captaining the cricket team, and that is why he has accepted his position as a puppet PM.

That is why the world doesn’t take him seriously because he doesn’t run the country. He is just a civilian face. His cult-followers are in awe of his U.N. speech, but what did it achieve?

How many votes did Pakistan get after his speech? What is the status of Kashmir now?

It is too late for cult-members to think with rationality. They have been brainwashed and poisoned beyond hope and repair.

I am celebrating Diesels failure because its a slap in the face of losers like you that supported him and got humiliated. You accuse others of being cult members but its you that supports incompetent Dynasties that have achieved nothing. Instead writing long essays why dont you answer some of the issues i have raised 100s of times such name a single achievement of the PPP after 11 years of rule in Sindh? Why did the trillion go? Why was the county bankrupt when IK took over from the duffer? Why did SS turn a 100bn surplus in Punjab to a 2 trillion deficit? All you do is run! Well stop running and debate.
 
Army chief Gen Bajwa gets six months conditional extension by SC

The Supreme Court on Thursday approved a conditional extension in Chief of the Army Staff General Qamar Javed Bajwa’s tenure for an additional six months.

General Bajwa was set to retire at midnight Thursday.

The three-judge bench headed by Justice Khosa announced the short order and ruled that General Bajwa will serve as the army chief for six more months based on the undertaking submitted by the government.
“The federal government will make the necessary legislation in this matter, ” assured Attorney General Anwar.

The undertaking states that the parliament will draft legislation on the issue of an army chief’s tenure within six months.

SC instructs government

The chief justice had earlier instructed that the “parliament should pass legislation on the matter within six months”.

“If the legislation is not passed during the given time, the appointment will become illegal.”

Announcing an adjournment till 1 pm, the apex court had further instructed the government to correct the notification and the summary. “Make the required changes and bring it to the court. We will announce the judgement today,” said the chief justice.

Justice Syed Mansoor Ali Shah also observed that the parliament has to remove the ambiguity present in the Army Act. “There is no better forum than the parliament to fix the system.”

Justice Mazhar Alam Khan Miankhel further said that it should also be specified if the tenure would be extended or reappointment will be made in the future.

The court resumed the hearing after a delay of around two hours as the justices were reviewing the new summary of draft notification for the extension in army chief’s tenure.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/210794...ifs-retirement-notifications-resumes-hearing/
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today must be a great disappointment to those who expected the country to be destabilised by a clash of institutions. That this did not happen must be of special disappointment to our external enemies & mafias within -</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1200010012753563649?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mafias who have stashed their loot abroad and seek to protect this loot by destabilising the country.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1200010015073026048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For the record, 23 yrs ago we were the first Party to advocate an independent Judiciary and Rule of Law. In 2007, PTI was in the forefront of the Movement for Independence of the Judiciary & I was jailed for it.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1200011189985697792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Also, for the record, I have the greatest respect for CJ Khosa, one of the greatest Jurists produced by Pakistan.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1200011193194295298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Make that 3 years and 6 months considering the legislation will be passed by two third majority in the parliament.(Just to rub salt on those wounds)
 
Pakistan is only supporting an armed terrorist separatist movement in India. Its only harbouring UN designated terrorists and terrorist organisations.It only refuses to punish perpetrators of Mumbai attacks.

Lol.

Just because you called freedom fighter terrorist does not make them terrorist.

Just because you elected a government which you support of their rape, indefinite curfew, deprive of basic home necessities, murder and making them blind for protesting does not make you civilized democracy, you have elected B a government who wants to terrorized because of their religion and out of vendetta.

And yes! Just because you get a support from a troll of PP does not make your comment factually correct. The person is humiliated daily by himself, one doesn’t have to even reply back.

RSS/BJP is a repressive, racist and bigoted organization and their only goal in India is to make India Hindu again.

Pakistsn did punished Indian state sponsored terrorist who was captured from Balouchistan.
 
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You should recall that I criticized the Supreme Court for not having the guts to stand up to the military establishment. It was very clear that they were actively attempting to remove Nawaz even though the charges against him were weak. However, now that they have shown some guts, I have no issues in praising them. As I have said many times before, only the judiciary in Pakistan has the power to stand up to the bullying of the military.

So when they give judgments against your masters they are "under influence" and when they give it against your opponents they are free and fair. Good logic.
 
So when they give judgments against your masters they are "under influence" and when they give it against your opponents they are free and fair. Good logic.

This is the logic of mental midget. Look at his total humiliation over the issue.
 
Imran Khan requests extention like previous leaders have
Court finally decides its time to have the government have this written down
Simple. Both sides agree. Not really any tension as some people have shown here:wahab2
 
Mountain out of a molehill tbh.... CJ sahab wanted to show his importance before his retirement in December.
 
Congratulations Imran for “weakening the institutions” (his words).

The hypocrisy and double-standards of this man cannot be expressed in words.
 
Ousting governments is the military’s domain. They have it throughout the course of Pakistan’s history and the judiciary is powerless on that front. If Imran is ousted tomorrow over the foreign funding case, I won’t praise the judiciary because it will be obvious that it is the work of the military.

And if it dont happen you will be the first one to call Judiciary puppets of Army :))
 
Pathetic and classless tweets by him as expected.

“Mafias who have stashed their loot abroad and seek to protect this loot by destabilising the country.”

The leader of the “mafia” walked out of jail without paying a penny and you couldn’t do anything except cry about it.

“Today must be a great disappointment to those who expected the country to be destabilised by a clash of institutions. That this did not happen must be of special disappointment to our external enemies & mafias within”

What he doesn’t realize is that he indirectly labeled the Supreme Court a mafia and an external enemy.
 
Pathetic and classless tweets by him as expected.

“Mafias who have stashed their loot abroad and seek to protect this loot by destabilising the country.”

The leader of the “mafia” walked out of jail without paying a penny and you couldn’t do anything except cry about it.

“Today must be a great disappointment to those who expected the country to be destabilised by a clash of institutions. That this did not happen must be of special disappointment to our external enemies & mafias within”

What he doesn’t realize is that he indirectly labeled the Supreme Court a mafia and an external enemy.

Excellent so we have an acknowledgement of who the leader of the mafia - Der Ayed Durast Ayed.
 
Attorney General Anwar Mansoor Khan on Thursday said that to legislate on the matter of an army chief's appointment and extension of tenure "will be a matter of pride for the government".

"This is not a matter of adversity for the government," said AG Khan, as he addressed a press conference following the court's verdict earlier in the day which had stated that Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa will serve as the army chief for six more months.

The court had announced its decision while directing the government to pass legislation which it said was missing from existing laws. The short order had noted that according to Article 243, the authority to appoint an army chief lies with the president. However, there is no duration of appointment specified in the Article.

"Today's decision is a historical decision. The way the Constitution has been interpreted will provide guidance for us in the future," said the attorney general.

Speaking of the unprecedented nature of the case and the proceedings that followed for three days, he said it was important to note that "various laws were debated upon and many things came to the fore which were never before decided in court".

"It is important to state here that the Army Act is pre-partition and after small modifications, it is being amended. It was never before challenged in court," said AG Khan.

He said that was the reason why "no one ever realised the mistakes involved in the procedures that were being followed".

The attorney general said that prior to Gen Bajwa's appointment, many chiefs of staff were appointed and many got extensions using the same method that was employed this time around.

"The summaries were the same and the rules were followed in the same manner. There were no additions or any changes made."

He said that it had been a custom to do things the existing way and so when the first notification was issued it was "a routine notification".

AG Khan said that the court, in its observations, had consistently referred to two things:

A general (currently) does not have a superannuation age.
No law mentions the chief of army staff — how he will be appointed or what his "term of office" will be.
"You must have seen Article 243, as well as Regulation 255 of the Army Act, mentioned in the proceedings a lot. Article 243 deals with the appointment of the chief of general staff and Regulation 255 deals with his rank," explained the attorney general, adding: "Of course, each was examined separately."

He said that the court had pointed out that in all past notifications and summaries, Regulation 255 was cited and had said that the rule does not pertain to the chief of the army staff and so should not be mentioned.

AG Khan said that the prime minister, since the inception of his government, had categorically stated that the law and the Constitution should be followed.

He said that the court while instructing the government on the amendments required in the notification, had kept on stating that "Article 243 should exclusively be mentioned and there should be no mention of Regulation 255".

The attorney general said that resultantly the notification submitted in court today morning only referred to Article 243. He said that the government was then instructed to "remove the court's name with reference to a delay" which was then removed.

AG Khan then went on to explain the crux of the short order. He said that the court had noted that Article 243 states that the appointment of an army chief by the president "is subject to law" but since there exists no law for the appointment, "they have asked us to make a law mentioning the tenure and the methodology of his appointment".

The attorney general also advised the media not to "talk against Pakistan". "Ever since the judgment was announced, I was watching TV shows. The matter was being presented in a very odd manner."

"Our enemies abroad are taking undue advantage of that. Pakistan is yours as much as it is ours. Do not talk against Pakistan or speak about anything which gives them the opportunity to talk against us."

Naseem warns media against running 'fake news'
Farogh Naseem, taking the floor, said that the judges "had admitted that Article 243 was a point of first impression".

He reminded the media persons gathered there that a petition challenging Gen Ashfaq Pervez Kayani's extension had been filed but was dimissed without a verdict "due to non prosecution".

"If the Supreme Court had ruled on the matter then, we would have had the guidelines this time around."

He thanked the three-member bench for "providing the government guidance at every moment".

He said that comments are sometimes made in the courtroom to lighten the atmosphere. Referring to one such comment by "a judge when he told the attorney general he too could then be an army chief", Naseem said that it was ill-advised to run such comments as "breaking news".

He said that the judges simply seek to provide guidance and their remarks should be interpreted through that lens.

He said that the media was selectively showing "negative commentary" but avoiding to cover positive aspects of proceedings "such as when Justice Mansoor Ali Shah praised Naseem on multiple occasions: 'He is doing good work. His drafting is solid. He will get things done immediately.' "Why were these comments not run as breaking news?" asked Naseem.

Saying that there was no truth behind the alleged reprimanding of Naseem, Shahzad Akbar, and the attorney general by the prime minister and Gen Bajwa, he warned the media that the government is considering taking action against outlets which had run this "fake news".

"The channels should either inform us about who gave them this news or if they are helpless and cannot, then action will be taken."

He also regretted the airing of "similar false news" regarding his "licence not being intact". "I got permission today, had my licence and appeared in court."

"So please understand the context. This was a delicate case pertaining to Pakistan's security agencies, your chief of army staff."

He said India was having a field day because of the way it had been presented by the media.

"We should all have demonstrated responsibility. This was not such a case in which we should have felt the need to flout our expertise in journalism."

"You can flex your journalistic muscle but [not in such cases]," he said, before telling media persons: "You are an inseparable pillar of the state".


https://www.dawn.com/news/1519342/l...t-a-matter-of-pride-for-govt-attorney-general
 
Pathetic and classless tweets by him as expected.

“Mafias who have stashed their loot abroad and seek to protect this loot by destabilising the country.”

The leader of the “mafia” walked out of jail without paying a penny and you couldn’t do anything except cry about it.

“Today must be a great disappointment to those who expected the country to be destabilised by a clash of institutions. That this did not happen must be of special disappointment to our external enemies & mafias within”

What he doesn’t realize is that he indirectly labeled the Supreme Court a mafia and an external enemy.

What a fool this guy is. You have immature bunch of people working for you. You did not do your home work, you was not prepared at all..but you are blaming people.
Just because of your knowledge and ability you made the fun of biggest post of the country but you are saying it is because of mafia and external enemies.
Trust me we do not need external enemies when there are great people in your cabinet working for you.
 
What a fool this guy is. You have immature bunch of people working for you. You did not do your home work, you was not prepared at all..but you are blaming people.
Just because of your knowledge and ability you made the fun of biggest post of the country but you are saying it is because of mafia and external enemies.
Trust me we do not need external enemies when there are great people in your cabinet working for you.

He has completely lost his mind. He is confused and contradicts himself every single time. He hasn’t lived up to a single promise that he made.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imran Khan who staunchly opposed giving an extension to then army chief Kayani now gives an extension to COAS Bajwa... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SelectedPM?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SelectedPM</a> <a href="https://t.co/PXAHP9AZKA">pic.twitter.com/PXAHP9AZKA</a></p>— Bilal Farooqi (@bilalfqi) <a href="https://twitter.com/bilalfqi/status/1163486408348184576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Unfortunately this Imran Khan passed away before his time. We needed him today. RIP.
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Please watch this video. How can you defend this actor? How can anyone have faith in what he says?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imran Khan who staunchly opposed giving an extension to then army chief Kayani now gives an extension to COAS Bajwa... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SelectedPM?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SelectedPM</a> <a href="https://t.co/PXAHP9AZKA">pic.twitter.com/PXAHP9AZKA</a></p>— Bilal Farooqi (@bilalfqi) <a href="https://twitter.com/bilalfqi/status/1163486408348184576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Unfortunately this Imran Khan passed away before his time. We needed him today. RIP.

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Please watch this video. How can you defend this actor? How can anyone have faith in what he says?

I know you are in pain but get over it. I know its humiliating for you and the Hindutuva but Bajwa kicks ***.
 
He has completely lost his mind. He is confused and contradicts himself every single time. He hasn’t lived up to a single promise that he made.

But you called him a fascist dictator for going after your dearly beloved Mafia. Make up your mind!
 
I know you are in pain but get over it. I know its humiliating for you and the Hindutuva but Bajwa kicks ***.

Don’t deflect. Answer the question.

He said generals are not supposed to get extensions even in the middle of a war, since it weakens institutions. So why did he approve the extension for Bajwa? Why did he weaken the institution?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imran Khan who staunchly opposed giving an extension to then army chief Kayani now gives an extension to COAS Bajwa... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SelectedPM?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SelectedPM</a> <a href="https://t.co/PXAHP9AZKA">pic.twitter.com/PXAHP9AZKA</a></p>— Bilal Farooqi (@bilalfqi) <a href="https://twitter.com/bilalfqi/status/1163486408348184576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 19, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Unfortunately this Imran Khan passed away before his time. We needed him today. RIP.

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Please watch this video. How can you defend this actor? How can anyone have faith in what he says?

Have you dared to answer such questions? LOL.
 
Don’t deflect. Answer the question.

He said generals are not supposed to get extensions even in the middle of a war, since it weakens institutions. So why did he approve the extension for Bajwa? Why did he weaken the institution?

Just like every issue that arises, you get excited and then you get humiliated. Bajwa smacked your Hindutuva in the chomps and we love him. Well done IK, you did the right think, well done to the SC for showing Independence.
 
Just like every issue that arises, you get excited and then you get humiliated. Bajwa smacked your Hindutuva in the chomps and we love him. Well done IK, you did the right think, well done to the SC for showing Independence.

So Imran was wrong when he stated that giving extensions weakens the institution, and general don’t get one even during wars?

Or is he wrong now?

Or he can never be wrong and he was right on both counts?

Please choose 1.
 
In your bubble, may be :)) Because you aren't fond of facts.

I can understand your pain after Nawaz left without paying a penny. What happened to the $12b and the bonds?

I also remember your staunch defense of the BRT before later on you finally accepted the incompetence of the PTI government.

You realize the facts but a little too late. You need to come out of your bubble and accept that Imran has turned out to be a con-artist who has let down his loyal supporters like you.

He doesn’t have a shred of credibility anymore because he has no conviction in what he says. He doesn’t practice what he preaches. Simply a paid actor.
 
So Imran was wrong when he stated that giving extensions weakens the institution, and general don’t get one even during wars?

Or is he wrong now?

Or he can never be wrong and he was right on both counts?

Please choose 1.

Get over it, your humiliation is complete, you ran to the thread, hoping that Bajwa and IK would fall out and they didnt. IK has done the right thing and deserves to be commended for that. He was right then and also right now!
 
Get over it, your humiliation is complete, you ran to the thread, hoping that Bajwa and IK would fall out and they didnt. IK has done the right thing and deserves to be commended for that. He was right then and also right now!

How can he be right both times when both positions are contradictory? Are you even listening to yourself?
 
How can he be right both times when both positions are contradictory? Are you even listening to yourself?

Its called circumstances. We are in the middle of a War with Ind, we have been attacked very recently and the threat remains. In 2011 or at any other time before that our territory by external forces had not been threatened since the early 70s.
 
How can he be right both times when both positions are contradictory? Are you even listening to yourself?

BTW
You ask a lot of questions but why do did you run when i asked you to explain why the country was bankrupt?, Why SS had turned a 100bn surplus into a 2 trillion deficit? What happened to the trillion in Sindh?
 
Its called circumstances. We are in the middle of a War with Ind, we have been attacked very recently and the threat remains. In 2011 or at any other time before that our territory by external forces had not been threatened since the early 70s.

Imran said that generals don’t get extensions even during times of war. Those are his words, not mine.

So what circumstances are you talking about?

Stop clutching at straws. Deep down you know that Imran is not a man of his word and he doesn’t have any credibility left.

He has let down his cult followers and has proved to be a fake.

Please don’t embarrass yourself by defending something that cannot be defended. I know you are a cult-follower but where is your personal pride?
 
BTW
You ask a lot of questions but why do did you run when i asked you to explain why the country was bankrupt?, Why SS had turned a 100bn surplus into a 2 trillion deficit? What happened to the trillion in Sindh?

I am not answerable for them or to shed light on PTI fueled allegations. I didn’t vote for either party.

Besides, PTI supporters have no right to talk about the alleged corruption of other parties when their own fake leader continues to run from his foreign funding case.

How did Aleema Khan acquire properties worth millions of dollars through sewing machines?

If the allegations against Imran are not true, he should come forward and clear his name. The fact that PTI is demanding secrecy in investigation proves that he is honesty is an act. He has skeletons in the closet.
 
Imran said that generals don’t get extensions even during times of war. Those are his words, not mine.

So what circumstances are you talking about?

Stop clutching at straws. Deep down you know that Imran is not a man of his word and he doesn’t have any credibility left.

He has let down his cult followers and has proved to be a fake.

Please don’t embarrass yourself by defending something that cannot be defended. I know you are a cult-follower but where is your personal pride?

There cannot be any logical answer to that. He didn't practice what he preached earlier. In plain words, he is a hypocrite :))
 
I am not answerable for them or to shed light on PTI fueled allegations. I didn’t vote for either party.

Besides, PTI supporters have no right to talk about the alleged corruption of other parties when their own fake leader continues to run from his foreign funding case.

How did Aleema Khan acquire properties worth millions of dollars through sewing machines?

If the allegations against Imran are not true, he should come forward and clear his name. The fact that PTI is demanding secrecy in investigation proves that he is honesty is an act. He has skeletons in the closet.

May be you should do some research to realise how much fashion retailers really make before making baseless comments. Isn't Aleema Khan married to a PMLN member?

Foreign funding case, what a stupid case to hide behind. PTI will come clean out of that too and you will be left humiliated once again in shallah.
 
I am not answerable for them or to shed light on PTI fueled allegations. I didn’t vote for either party.

Besides, PTI supporters have no right to talk about the alleged corruption of other parties when their own fake leader continues to run from his foreign funding case.

How did Aleema Khan acquire properties worth millions of dollars through sewing machines?

If the allegations against Imran are not true, he should come forward and clear his name. The fact that PTI is demanding secrecy in investigation proves that he is honesty is an act. He has skeletons in the closet.

its the parties that you defend, its the parties that you backed to take over after Diesel and his escapade. So we need answers!

The Foreign funding case is a much bigger issue for both the crooked parties, they too have to show their funding, whereas the PTI funds are audited. So as much as Sardar tries, it will be a fine at best for the PTI but the mafia have to show their sources.
Aleema Khan is a not a member of the govt and has never held power, and there was a court case, why dont you read the judgement. If there was something, the Nooras had 5 years to bring a case, why didnt they. What do they know? maybe the truth?
 
I am not answerable for them or to shed light on PTI fueled allegations. I didn’t vote for either party.

Besides, PTI supporters have no right to talk about the alleged corruption of other parties when their own fake leader continues to run from his foreign funding case.

How did Aleema Khan acquire properties worth millions of dollars through sewing machines?

If the allegations against Imran are not true, he should come forward and clear his name. The fact that PTI is demanding secrecy in investigation proves that he is honesty is an act. He has skeletons in the closet.

I bet you feel such an idiot. Please explain
 
That might be so, but him contradicting himself shamelessly in front of the world makes for a good laugh :)))

Generally, Indians should be the last to laughing at others over alleged contradictions. Lies and contradictions are normal for Indians. Your government and media are prime examples.
 
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