Army chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa gets six months conditional extension by Supreme Court

[Hitman]

Generally, Indians should be the last to laughing at others over alleged contradictions. Lies and contradictions are normal for Indians. Your government and media are prime examples.

Nice to see your PM joining the list.

 

[Bewal Express]

Coffee tastes better, in my opinion.

It was too bitter for the Wing Commander!

 

[Hermoine Green]

That might be so, but him contradicting himself shamelessly in front of the world makes for a good laugh )

Every one in politics plays the same game. Nothing new.

 

[Hermoine Green]

I am not answerable for them or to shed light on PTI fueled allegations. I didn’t vote for either party.

Besides, PTI supporters have no right to talk about the alleged corruption of other parties when their own fake leader continues to run from his foreign funding case.

How did Aleema Khan acquire properties worth millions of dollars through sewing machines?

If the allegations against Imran are not true, he should come forward and clear his name. The fact that PTI is demanding secrecy in investigation proves that he is honesty is an act. He has skeletons in the closet.

You always act like ignorant. For your better info, no one is running from the case. Because the case is started, hearing will be done on daily basis. And not only against PTI, but all the parties.

 

[Hitman]

It was too bitter for the Wing Commander!

Was speaking on behalf of myself.

 

[Hitman]

Every one in politics plays the same game. Nothing new.

Good. At least you accept that he is just like the rest.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Good. At least you accept that he is just like the rest.

In terms of U-Turns, yes he is like others. But over all, he is miles better than previous

 

[Hitman]

In terms of U-Turns, yes he is like others. But over all, he is miles better than previous

Will never deny that. At least he is non corrupt and genuinely wants good things for his country.

 

[Savak]

I am not answerable for them or to shed light on PTI fueled allegations. I didn’t vote for either party.

Besides, PTI supporters have no right to talk about the alleged corruption of other parties when their own fake leader continues to run from his foreign funding case.

How did Aleema Khan acquire properties worth millions of dollars through sewing machines?

If the allegations against Imran are not true, he should come forward and clear his name. The fact that PTI is demanding secrecy in investigation proves that he is honesty is an act. He has skeletons in the closet.

Lol a foreign funding case worth $500,000 - $1,000,000, Kohli can pay that amount as Chanda to the state of Pakistan. Only a person with scrupulous morals will raise a bigger voice against $500,000 - $1,000,000 in comparison to the PML N and PPP corruption of $64 billion in the last 10 years.

 

[Bewal Express]

Lol a foreign funding case worth $500,000 - $1,000,000, Kohli can pay that amount as Chanda to the state of Pakistan. Only a person with scrupulous morals will raise a bigger voice against $500,000 - $1,000,000 in comparison to the PML N and PPP corruption of $64 billion in the last 10 years.

Did you see what happened to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] when I added news video of the Nooras one page reply. Yes, true to form he quickly disappeared with his tail between his legs.

 

[Savak]

Did you see what happened to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] when I added news video of the Nooras one page reply. Yes, true to form he quickly disappeared with his tail between his legs.

Besides whats wrong with receiving funds from outside Pakistan? A lot of US, UK, Canadian Pakistani's donate money to Pakistan for charitable causes, if they truly believe in a political party in Pakistan, why should they not be allowed to financially support that party?

This case which was launched by Akbar Sher Babar is just his way of getting back at IK for the later's refusal to allow the former to cash in on PTI's rising ranks in the political echelon's of Pakistani politics.

 

[Bewal Express]

Besides whats wrong with receiving funds from outside Pakistan? A lot of US, UK, Canadian Pakistani's donate money to Pakistan for charitable causes, if they truly believe in a political party in Pakistan, why should they not be allowed to financially support that party?

This case which was launched by Akbar Sher Babar is just his way of getting back at IK for the later's refusal to allow the former to cash in on PTI's rising ranks in the political echelon's of Pakistani politics.

It's a mountain out of a mole hill. The Nooras and Billo party have laundered out of PK and then brought it back as white money masquerading as donations.

 

[Mamoon]

Besides whats wrong with receiving funds from outside Pakistan? A lot of US, UK, Canadian Pakistani's donate money to Pakistan for charitable causes, if they truly believe in a political party in Pakistan, why should they not be allowed to financially support that party?

This case which was launched by Akbar Sher Babar is just his way of getting back at IK for the later's refusal to allow the former to cash in on PTI's rising ranks in the political echelon's of Pakistani politics.

The foreign funding was used by Aleema Khan to buy properties worth millions of dollars in the U.S.

Akbar Babar saw through his act earlier than others. Imran has always been a fake and a con-artist.

 

[mgtow]

The foreign funding was used by Aleema Khan to buy properties worth millions of dollars in the U.S.

Akbar Babar saw through his act earlier than others. Imran has always been a fake and a con-artist.

Really? And people are okay with that? We live in strange worlds where we can see the crime of Nawaz/Zardari that nobody defends them here but we all turn blind when it comes to Imran Khan while his supporters come to rescue much like sharif and Bhutto supporters did.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol a foreign funding case worth $500,000 - $1,000,000, Kohli can pay that amount as Chanda to the state of Pakistan. Only a person with scrupulous morals will raise a bigger voice against $500,000 - $1,000,000 in comparison to the PML N and PPP corruption of $64 billion in the last 10 years.

It is not about the amount. It is about principles.

What credibility does his anti-corruption stance have when he has skeletons in his own closet?

 

[Mamoon]

Really? And people are okay with that? We live in strange worlds where we can see the crime of Nawaz/Zardari that nobody defends them here but we all turn blind when it comes to Imran Khan while his supporters come to rescue much like sharif and Bhutto supporters did.

This is what happens when you are a cult-follower. These people think Imran has been sent from the heavens and cannot accept that he has let them down on multiple fronts.

He is not honest and he has failed to provide the justice and accountability that he promised. What is left now?

 

[Extra_Cover]

There are posters with over the top responses in this thread.

Quite conveniently there are people in here who are passing on their "opinions" as "facts" and are building their arguments on these "facts".

Either there are posters with genuine hatred or after clickbaits. In either case to counter their problem is by ignoring these "opinions" based debates.

 

[Bewal Express]

The foreign funding was used by Aleema Khan to buy properties worth millions of dollars in the U.S.

Akbar Babar saw through his act earlier than others. Imran has always been a fake and a con-artist.

Why did you run from the thread after I posted the Noora video.

 

[Bewal Express]

Really? And people are okay with that? We live in strange worlds where we can see the crime of Nawaz/Zardari that nobody defends them here but we all turn blind when it comes to Imran Khan while his supporters come to rescue much like sharif and Bhutto supporters did.

We live in a strange world where Nooras like you run from answering a simple question as to when NS and SS are bringing those cases they promised against the DM? So please stop running and tell me, when are the cases coming to court.

 

[Bewal Express]

This is what happens when you are a cult-follower. These people think Imran has been sent from the heavens and cannot accept that he has let them down on multiple fronts.

He is not honest and he has failed to provide the justice and accountability that he promised. What is left now?

The cult followers don't run, it's losers like you that run from simple questions like why SS turned a 100bn surplus into a 2 trillion deficit, that's a negative turn round of $20bn +. Why are 1/2 of the family on the run? Why couldn't they build a single hospital of any quality in 30 years? Come on mental midget stop running from me and debate.

 

[mgtow]

This is what happens when you are a cult-follower. These people think Imran has been sent from the heavens and cannot accept that he has let them down on multiple fronts.

He is not honest and he has failed to provide the justice and accountability that he promised. What is left now?

He got what he wanted which is power. But he was never prepared for the leadership. Judging by his clueless leadership, it appears we may have elected entertainer at best. Bad for Pakistan as nation but good for establishment although some would argue that it is slap on main establishment for being clueless in managing the economy of the nation. After all, main establishment chose clueless leader at the worst possible time.

 

[Bewal Express]

He got what he wanted which is power. But he was never prepared for the leadership. Judging by his clueless leadership, it appears we may have elected entertainer at best. Bad for Pakistan as nation but good for establishment although some would argue that it is slap on main establishment for being clueless in managing the economy of the nation. After all, main establishment chose clueless leader at the worst possible time.

When are you telling us when the Sharifs are suing the DM? You keep running every time I ask the question. How long do we have to wait for the lawsuit against the DM? Or even WSJ?

 

[MenInG]

The Supreme Court on Monday released its detailed judgement in the case pertaining to the extension of Army Chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa, emphasising that it is now up to the parliament to carry out legislation that will provide "certainty and predictability" to the post of chief of army staff (COAS) for all times to come.

Prime Minister Imran Khan had extended Gen Bajwa's tenure through a notification in August, but the SC had suspended it on November 26 due to irregularities in the manner of extension. After three days of heightened uncertainty, the apex court, through a short order on November 28, had announced that Gen Bajwa would remain the COAS for another six months during which the parliament would legislate on the army chief’s extension/reappointment.

Spoiler

"We would like to emphasise that this crucial matter of the tenure of COAS and its extension, which has a somewhat chequered history, is before the Parliament, to fix for all times to come," wrote Justice Syed Mansoor Ali Shah, a member of the three-judge bench which heard the case, in the court's 43-page judgement.

"It is now for the people of Pakistan and their chosen representatives in the Parliament to come up with a law that will provide certainty and predictability to the post of COAS, remembering that in strengthening institutions, nations prosper."

Both Justice Mazhar Alam Khan Miankhel and Chief Justice Asif Saeed Khosa agreed with Justice Shah's judgement, with Justice Khosa saying in his additional note that it had been a "shocking revelation" to the bench that the terms and conditions of service of the COAS, the tenure of his office, extension in the tenure of his office or his reappointment to that office "have remained unregulated by any law so far".

The court summarised its findings after exploring the scope of Article 243 of the Constitution — which governs the army chief's appointment, reviewing the Pakistan Army Act, 1952, reviewing the Pakistan Army Act, 1952, the Pakistan Army Act Rules, 1954, and the Army Regulations (Rules). Some of the key points from the findings are:

The Pakistan Army Act, 1952, falls deficient of the structural requirements for raising and maintaining an Army under clause (3) of Article 243 of the Constitution. It does not provide for essential elements required to raise and maintain an Army, particularly the grant of commissions in the Army and the terms of service of the commissioned officers including tenure and extension of a general.
No tenure or age of retirement for the rank of general is provided under the law. As per the institutional practice a general retires on completion of a tenure of three years. Although an institutional practice cannot be a valid substitute of the law required to be made under clause (3) of Article 243 yet in the absence of such law the said practice can be enforced to remove uncertainty as to the tenure of a general and to make the constitutional post of COAS functional. However, in the first instance, the matter should be allowed to be regulated by law, made by the legislature, as mandated by the Constitution.
There is no provision in the law for extending service of a general for another tenure; nor is there any consistent and continuous institutional practice of granting such extension, which could be enforced in absence of the law on the subject.
The summaries of the Ministry of Defence approved by the president, the prime minister and the cabinet for the reappointment, extension and fresh appointment of Gen Bajwa seem to be meaningless and of no consequence, in absence of the law prescribing tenure of a general and providing extension for another tenure.
Regulation 255 of the Army Regulations (Rules), in its original as well as amended form, does not confer authority on the Federal Government to grant extension of another full tenure to a general. This regulation provides for only a temporary arrangement for a short term, if the exigencies of service so require in the public interest.
Regulation 255 and other Regulations of the Army Regulations (Rules) on the subject of “retirement” appear to be ultra vires the Pakistan Army Act, as Section 176 of the Pakistan Army Act has assigned the subject of “retirement” to be regulated under the Rules and not under the Regulations. The Regulations can be made only for the matters other than those which are to be dealt with under the Rules.
Section 176-A of the Pakistan Army Act and the regulations made under it appear to suffer from the excessive delegation of the essential legislative function, as neither that section nor any other section of the Pakistan Army Act provides the essential legislative policy guidelines for making the delegated legislation, viz the regulations, on the subjects mentioned therein.
In view of the assurance of the attorney general given on behalf of the Federal Government to process the legislation for meeting the deficiencies in the Pakistan Army Act, in particular, the tenure, age of retirement and if deemed proper, the extension of tenure of a general, it is appropriate to leave the matter, at the first instance, to be decided by the chosen representatives of the people of Pakistan by making an appropriate legislation.
In view of the legal vacuum regarding tenure and extension of a general and the assurance given by the attorney general to process legislation on the subject within six months, and also considering the importance of the responsibilities of the COAS regarding administration and organisation of the Army, it is appropriate that the incumbent COAS may continue for a period of six months, in order to preserve continuity of the institution.
The SC has clarified, however, that in case the federal government remains unable to regulate the tenure and terms of service of a general and as a consequence of the army chief through an appropriate legislation by the parliament within a period of six months, "the tenure of the constitutional post of COAS could not be left totally unregulated and to continue forever" because "this would be inconceivable and amount to a constitutional absurdity."

In case of such failure of the federal government, the verdict says, the institutional practice of retirement of a general on completion of the tenure of three years "shall stand enforced" to regulate the tenure of Gen Bajwa and consequentially his tenure as COAS, from the date of his promotion to the rank of general and appointment as the army chief, i.e. November 29, 2016.

In that scenario, "the president shall, on advice of the prime minister, appoint a serving general officer as the new COAS", the judgement adds.

'The law is above you'
Chief Justice Khosa, who is retiring as the top judge later this week, noted in the judgement that in Pakistan's "peculiar historical context", the army chief "holds a powerful position in ways more than one".

"Unbridled power or position, like unstructured discretion, is dangerous," he said.

The chief justice observed that Clause (3) of Article 243 of the Constitution mandates that the president’s power to raise and maintain the armed forces is to be “subject to law” and, therefore, "leaving some vital aspects relevant to the office of Chief of the Army Staff without being regulated by any law militates against the said express provision of the Constitution".

"In the backdrop of the last three scores and 12 years of our history I may observe with hope and optimism that framing of a law by the Parliament regulating the terms and conditions of the office of [the army chief] may go a long way in rectifying multiple historical wrongs and in asserting sovereign authority of the chosen representatives of the people besides making exercise of judicial power of the courts all pervasive," he wrote.

Justice Khosa concluded his note by using a quote by former chief justice of England Sir Edward Coke to stress the supremacy of the law, writing: "I understand that [the] democratic maturity of our nation has reached a stage where this court can proclaim that, as declared by Chief Justice Sir Edward Coke of England in the Commendam case in the year 1616 regarding the powers of King James I, 'Howsoever high you may be; the law is above you'."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1522596/b...-chiefs-post-with-new-law-sc-detailed-verdict

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: The federal cabinet at an urgent meeting on Wednesday approved proposed amendments to the Constitution and the Army Act in order to give a three-year extension to Chief of the Army Staff (COAS) Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa.

In the wake of the Supreme Court’s order to remove ambiguity in rules on the issue of extension in the army chief’s tenure, the government also decided to introduce the amendment bill in parliament on Friday after building a consensus with the opposition on the matter.

“According to an amendment, the maximum age limit for an army chief will be 64 years and this will be applied in case of extension in his term, but the regular age limit of COAS will be 60 years,” a cabinet member said, insisting that it would be the prime minister’s prerogative whether to give extension to the army chief in future.

The Supreme Court in its detailed verdict released on Dec 16, 2019 in the case pertaining to Gen Bajwa’s service extension had emphasised that it was up to the parliament to carry out legislation that would provide “certainty and predictability” to the post of the COAS for all times to come.

Spoiler

The decision to approve the proposed amendments to Article 172 of the Constitution and the Army Act 1952 was made in the federal cabinet’s meeting held on Wednesday on a single-point agenda of extension in the tenure of the army chief.

Decides to table bill in parliament tomorrow after consulting the opposition on the matter

Prime Minister Imran Khan presided over the meeting.

Interestingly, the scheduled post-meeting presser of Special Assistant to the Prime Minister on Informa*tion Dr Firdous Ashiq Awan was cancelled without providing any reason to the media.

According to a cabinet member who did not want to be named, the meeting approved the proposed three-year extension in the tenure of the army chief, indicating that Gen Bajwa would continue to serve as the COAS till 2023.

Earlier in August 2019, PM Khan through a notification had attempted to extend the tenure of Gen Bajwa. However, finding irregularities in the manner in which the extension had been granted, the apex court suspended the government notification on Nov 26 last year.

Amid heightened uncertainty as Gen Bajwa was set to retire on the night of Nov 28, the Supreme Court through a short order announced that in view of the government’s assurances on the subject, the COAS may continue to serve for another six months during which parliament would legislate to settle the issue of extension or reappointment of an army chief.

“It is now for the people of Pakistan and their chosen representatives in the Parliament to come up with a law that will provide certainty and predictability to the post of COAS, remembering that in strengthening institutions, nations prosper,” the SC judgement stated.

It said Regulation 255 and other Regulations of the Army Regulations (Rules) on the subject of “retirement” appear to be ultra vires of the Pakistan Army Act, as Section 176 of the Pakistan Army Act assigned the subject of “retirement” to be regulated under the Rules and not under the Regulations. The Regulations can be made only for matters other than those which are to be dealt with under the Rules.

In view of the legal vacuum regarding tenure and extension of a general and the assurance given by the attorney general to process legislation on the subject within six months, and also considering the importance of the responsibilities of the COAS regarding administration and organisation of the Army, it is appropriate that the incumbent COAS may continue for a period of six months, in order to preserve continuity of the institution, the verdict said.

Consensus

Before placing the bill before the parliament seeking amendments to Constitution and Pakistan Army Act on Friday, the government has decided to hold negotiations with the opposition to seek consensus on the matter.

It was learnt that Defence Minister Pervez Khattak will lead the government’s team while ex-defence minister Khawaja Asif of Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) will head the opposition side. The meeting is likely to take place in the parliament during ongoing session of the two houses of the parliament — Senate and the National Assembly.

Talking to Dawn, Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) leader Naveed Qamar said as the government had hinted at moving the bill in the National Assembly on Friday [tomorrow], a meeting between the government and the representatives of the opposition parties was expected on Thursday (today).

Asked whether his party had discussed the matter with its ranks, Mr Qamar replied: “We will do it after seeing the draft. So far nothing is before us.”

He said they [opposition] did not want the government to bulldoze the important legislation and they would like to hold a debate on it in the parliament and the relevant committee.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1525766/cabinet-rushes-out-draft-bill-on-coas-extension

 

[WebGuru]

What's the update from vote ko izat do camp? They are back to supporting the selector? [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

 

[Bewal Express]

What's the update from vote ko izat do camp? They are back to supporting the selector? [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

Another pathetic Noora Bites the dust. The "Selector" needs to be given izzat and Maryam is "not to blame" .

 

[WebGuru]

Another pathetic Noora Bites the dust. The "Selector" needs to be given izzat and Maryam is "not to blame" .

Poor Shahbaz will have to take all the blame once again because Nawaz and Maryam are babies and will do everything as Shahbaz ask them.

 

[Bewal Express]

Poor Shahbaz will have to take all the blame once again because Nawaz and Maryam are babies and will do everything as Shahbaz ask them.

Poor Masoom Nani, bounced into it by big bad uncle. And these losers will buy this rubbish.

 

[WebGuru]

Poor Masoom Nani, bounced into it by big bad uncle. And these losers will buy this rubbish.

The funny thing is Rana Sanaullah once portrayed by our leftists as the biggest force against establishment came on media to announce this decision of the party with a twist of 'unconditional support'. Can we call Rana a boot polishya or was he forced to announce it this way by evil Shobaz?

 

[Bewal Express]

The funny thing is Rana Sanaullah once portrayed by our leftists as the biggest force against establishment came on media to announce this decision of the party with a twist of 'unconditional support'. Can we call Rana a boot polishya or was he forced to announce it this way by evil Shobaz?

Sharam b kio cheez hoti hai but not for the Qatil

 

[cric_man]

I am actually against this. Having a military background, I would like to believe our Military command is more than capable of carrying on and you would get the same if not better leadership with the next COAS. A few years back, ACM Rao Qamar pre-empted calls for giving him extension by publicly stating he will not seek nor accept any extension to his tenure.

 

[Nostalgic]

Once the dust settles on these arguments about whose U-turn preceded the other’s and whose was the more egregious, perhaps someone can explain why the extension in question is needed in the first place. Who are the Lieutenant Generals that would’ve been in the running had there been no extension? How would things have changed if any one of them had been elevated to COAS? U-turns notwithstanding, the three largest parties in the land now support the extension. I don’t quite understand what this eventual unanimity suggests.

I wonder also how any extension, not just this one, sits with the Lt Gens who would’ve had a shot if the chief had retired but now won’t and will instead retire before the chief does.

 

[cric_man]

Once the dust settles on these arguments about whose U-turn preceded the other’s and whose was the more egregious, perhaps someone can explain why the extension in question is needed in the first place. Who are the Lieutenant Generals that would’ve been in the running had there been no extension? How would things have changed if any one of them had been elevated to COAS? U-turns notwithstanding, the three largest parties in the land now support the extension. I don’t quite understand what this eventual unanimity suggests.

I wonder also how any extension, not just this one, sits with the Lt Gens who would’ve had a shot if the chief had retired but now won’t and will instead retire before the chief does.

It has a negative impact not only on Lt Gen but at Brig level as well. Speaking from Airforce experience (Army maybe different), the Chief will keep his direct subordinates (Vice Chief, Ops etc). So in essence top 10 posts are impacted.

 

[Mamoon]

Once the dust settles on these arguments about whose U-turn preceded the other’s and whose was the more egregious, perhaps someone can explain why the extension in question is needed in the first place. Who are the Lieutenant Generals that would’ve been in the running had there been no extension? How would things have changed if any one of them had been elevated to COAS? U-turns notwithstanding, the three largest parties in the land now support the extension. I don’t quite understand what this eventual unanimity suggests.

I wonder also how any extension, not just this one, sits with the Lt Gens who would’ve had a shot if the chief had retired but now won’t and will instead retire before the chief does.

The decision of giving a COAS an extension impacts the entire structure. It affects postings, promotions etc. etc. and the next in line are obviously not happy because they want the same power.

After all, the COAS is the most powerful man in the country and the actual leader of the country. Your questions are very valid but unfortunately no one has the guts to ask Bajwa these questions on live television.

What Bajwa fails to realize is that he has made the military look weak and incompetent.

 

[Bewal Express]

The decision of giving a COAS an extension impacts the entire structure. It affects postings, promotions etc. etc. and the next in line are obviously not happy because they want the same power.

After all, the COAS is the most powerful man in the country and the actual leader of the country. Your questions are very valid but unfortunately no one has the guts to ask Bajwa these questions on live television.

What Bajwa fails to realize is that he has made the military look weak and incompetent.

Idiots always get hyped up by politicians.
When is Billo coming on board. All the hype and talk, but it was the desperate desire to keep the family business going that won the day.

 

[Mamoon]

Idiots always get hyped up by politicians.
When is Billo coming on board. All the hype and talk, but it was the desperate desire to keep the family business going that won the day.

Don’t change the topic.

Why is the next in line not ready to be the COAS?

What will happen if Bajwa steps aside?

What does this say about the military as an institution?

Can you answer these questions without Billo, Noora, corruption and Current Account Deficit, or is that the depth of your argument?

 

[Bewal Express]

Don’t change the topic.

Why is the next in line not ready to be the COAS?

What will happen if Bajwa steps aside?

What does this say about the military as an institution?

Can you answer these questions without Billo, Noora, corruption and Current Account Deficit, or is that the depth of your argument?

You are making if it hasn't happened before. And tbh, I don't care, they have never had problems and if some general doesn't get higher up the ladder, well it happens. I am enjoying your humiliation at the hands of Nooras and PPP. Bajwa isn't the problem, it's you and your ilk that have stolen our money that is the problem.

 

[Bewal Express]

Don’t change the topic.

Why is the next in line not ready to be the COAS?

What will happen if Bajwa steps aside?

What does this say about the military as an institution?

Can you answer these questions without Billo, Noora, corruption and Current Account Deficit, or is that the depth of your argument?

As far your last paragraph goes, it shows that you don't have the capacity to understand the problem. If you did, you wouldn't make such a stupid point.

 

[Mamoon]

You are making if it hasn't happened before. And tbh, I don't care, they have never had problems and if some general doesn't get higher up the ladder, well it happens. I am enjoying your humiliation at the hands of Nooras and PPP. Bajwa isn't the problem, it's you and your ilk that have stolen our money that is the problem.

Yes it has happened before and that is why this dangerous precedence has to be stopped.

We need to strengthen the institutions and not the incumbent Army Chiefs (Imran’s words back when he had some sanity).

You don’t care because you don’t have an answer. You cannot explain what would happen if Bajwa retires and why the next in line is incapable of dealing with the situation.

In India, the Army Chief moved on without a fuss. That is the difference between a country where the army chief follows the law and a country where the law adjusts to accommodate the lust of the army chief.

Then we complain why we don’t have a shred of credibility internationally.

 

[Bewal Express]

Yes it has happened before and that is why this dangerous precedence has to be stopped.

We need to strengthen the institutions and not the incumbent Army Chiefs (Imran’s words back when he had some sanity).

You don’t care because you don’t have an answer. You cannot explain what would happen if Bajwa retires and why the next in line is incapable of dealing with the situation.

In India, the Army Chief moved on without a fuss. That is the difference between a country where the army chief follows the law and a country where the law adjusts to accommodate the lust of the army chief.

Then we complain why we don’t have a shred of credibility internationally.

So you are talking strengthening institutions when the only institution that works in PK is the target of corrupt losers. I would accept any criticism from people who have the best interests of PK, you and your ilk would sell PK for a penny. The people that you defend on here are the ones that have destroyed every single institution( PIA, PSM, the Police etc) and then without irony, you complain that no institutions work.

 

[Mamoon]

So you are talking strengthening institutions when the only institution that works in PK is the target of corrupt losers. I would accept any criticism from people who have the best interests of PK, you and your ilk would sell PK for a penny. The people that you defend on here are the ones that have destroyed every single institution( PIA, PSM, the Police etc) and then without irony, you complain that no institutions work.

The military works to preserve its self-interests even if it comes at a cost of national interest. They have also sold the country for USD multiple times.

 

[Bewal Express]

The military works to preserve its self-interests even if it comes at a cost of national interest. They have also sold the country for USD multiple times.

The Millitary has made many mistakes, but it's they that have kept PK together, it's they that have humiliated Ind with only 20% of their budget and its they that have created the only institution safe from the grubby hands of the crooks of Nooras and PPP. PK is not in a good state, but just look at all the institutions these crooks have got their hands and you realise what would have happened to them if the crooks got their hands on it.

 

[Mamoon]

The Millitary has made many mistakes, but it's they that have kept PK together, it's they that have humiliated Ind with only 20% of their budget and its they that have created the only institution safe from the grubby hands of the crooks of Nooras and PPP. PK is not in a good state, but just look at all the institutions these crooks have got their hands and you realise what would have happened to them if the crooks got their hands on it.

Kept Pakistan together? Was East Pakistan not part of Pakistan?

Humiliated India? Shooting two archaic planes doesn’t whitewash our history.

We have started several wars on Kashmir and each war ended with us trying to save our own backsides.

Since the tribals won us the “Azad” Kashmir in 1947, Pakistan Army has not grabbed an inch of Kashmir in spite of all the big talk.

On the other hand, the Indian army humiliated us and forced us to surrender East Pakistan, taking over 90,000 PoW.

That is the difference between an army that talks and an army that acts. On the other hand, we have one Abhinandan to boast about and have erected his statue in a military museum.

If India decides to erect statues of the 90,000 Pakistani PoW, they will have to construct hundreds of new museums.

Kashmir has been locked down since August and what have we done apart from firing tweets and making rhetorical speeches with zero end result?

 

[kk1992]

Kept Pakistan together? Was East Pakistan not part of Pakistan?

Humiliated India? Shooting two archaic planes doesn’t whitewash our history.

We have started several wars on Kashmir and each war ended with us trying to save our own backsides.

Since the tribals won us the “Azad” Kashmir in 1947, Pakistan Army has not grabbed an inch of Kashmir in spite of all the big talk.

On the other hand, the Indian army humiliated us and forced us to surrender East Pakistan, taking over 90,000 PoW.

That is the difference between an army that talks and an army that acts. On the other hand, we have one Abhinandan to boast about and have erected his statue in a military museum.

If India decides to erect statues of the 90,000 Pakistani PoW, they will have to construct hundreds of new museums.

Kashmir has been locked down since August and what have we done apart from firing tweets and making rhetorical speeches with zero end result?

Such a waste of time. Nothing to see here other than repeated talking points. WASTE OF TIME.

Every Military in the world has made mistake.

What matter is 'now'.

You can try to invalidate anything with any argument brought back from history if you have an agenda. And most of your talking point would be aired on Arnab's show, lol

 

[Bewal Express]

Kept Pakistan together? Was East Pakistan not part of Pakistan?

Humiliated India? Shooting two archaic planes doesn’t whitewash our history.

We have started several wars on Kashmir and each war ended with us trying to save our own backsides.

Since the tribals won us the “Azad” Kashmir in 1947, Pakistan Army has not grabbed an inch of Kashmir in spite of all the big talk.

On the other hand, the Indian army humiliated us and forced us to surrender East Pakistan, taking over 90,000 PoW.

That is the difference between an army that talks and an army that acts. On the other hand, we have one Abhinandan to boast about and have erected his statue in a military museum.

If India decides to erect statues of the 90,000 Pakistani PoW, they will have to construct hundreds of new museums.

Kashmir has been locked down since August and what have we done apart from firing tweets and making rhetorical speeches with zero end result?

Yes it was and it was mistake and who else was involved, yes Bhutto, just look on Google on what he called our Bengali brothers(@WebGuru) as its too horrific to repeat here but obviously your ghulami of crooks won't let you criticise the head of the crooked mafia family.
We humiliated them as even today they are lying. We humiliated them because they have a massive advantage and they didn't have the balls to do what they threatened after creating an entirely fictitious crisis.
You are happy that Kashmir has been lockdown and if it wasnt for our army, there wouldn't be a PK to save the rest of us. Just ask the Muslims of Ind and what happened to them. PK Zindabad!

 

[kk1992]

It is not about the amount. It is about principles.

What credibility does his anti-corruption stance have when he has skeletons in his own closet?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Let me do it one more time, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH


If that is what it is about then you shouldn't be supporting almost any modern day politician in Pakistan or for that matter, almost any politician in the world.

Go live in a hole, away from everyone.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chief of Army Staff General Qamar Javed Bajwa called on PM of Pakistan at Islamabad today. <br><br>Director General ISI Lt. Gen. Faiz Hamid was also present on the occasion. <a href="https://t.co/dG0kNerTZX">pic.twitter.com/dG0kNerTZX</a></p>— Prime Minister's Office, Pakistan (@PakPMO) <a href="https://twitter.com/PakPMO/status/1342090708975575040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Bewal Express]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chief of Army Staff General Qamar Javed Bajwa called on PM of Pakistan at Islamabad today. <br><br>Director General ISI Lt. Gen. Faiz Hamid was also present on the occasion. <a href="https://t.co/dG0kNerTZX">pic.twitter.com/dG0kNerTZX</a></p>— Prime Minister's Office, Pakistan (@PakPMO) <a href="https://twitter.com/PakPMO/status/1342090708975575040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I bet the Nooras will say they are sitting too far apart. Maryams hopes will rise for a few seconds

 

[Major]

According to [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] leaders are supposed to be dogmatic and not evolve with time.

Bump

The pists on the first page are hilarious. Pragmatism, need of the hour... We are jee fighting the indians and we need this.

That one decision, that came back to bite.

So pti fans, all those who posted on the first page, do you still back this decision?

 

[Major]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today must be a great disappointment to those who expected the country to be destabilised by a clash of institutions. That this did not happen must be of special disappointment to our external enemies & mafias within -</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1200010012753563649?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mafias who have stashed their loot abroad and seek to protect this loot by destabilising the country.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1200010015073026048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For the record, 23 yrs ago we were the first Party to advocate an independent Judiciary and Rule of Law. In 2007, PTI was in the forefront of the Movement for Independence of the Judiciary & I was jailed for it.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1200011189985697792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Also, for the record, I have the greatest respect for CJ Khosa, one of the greatest Jurists produced by Pakistan.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1200011193194295298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Ends up taking another u-turn.

Funny how imrans decision only last 2-3 years before its shelf life expires and he has to take a u-turn

 

[Major]

" Bajwa should remain, as longas IK wants him and he is doing an excellent job" -- [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

 

[Bewal Express]

" Bajwa should remain, as longas IK wants him and he is doing an excellent job" -- [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

We are trusting people and Bajwa did a decent job as COAS but where does that leave you guys. According to your own PM he holding your govt together and makes the decisions, i cant remember the word they use to describe it but can you help))))

 

[Major]

According to your own people( Mr Tokri Nusrat Javed) Bajwa has set up the crooks to fail and be humiliated and is supporting IK to destroy the mafia. So far your govt has been lame, incompetent, fascist, idiotic and has you for a supporter, a guy that told us that he was anti Millitary( a lie) anti Mullah( a lie) and pro criminals( sorry that is true)

So do you think that the evidence of the 6 weeks shows Nusrat Tokri is right?

So this is a conspiracy within a conspiracy within a conspiracy?

Damn, how delusional are you.

 

[Bewal Express]

My my my my )

Isnt this an indictment on your humiliation like with the Atif Mian quotes.

 

[Major]

We are trusting people and Bajwa did a decent job as COAS but where does that leave you guys. According to your own PM he holding your govt together and makes the decisions, i cant remember the word they use to describe it but can you help))))

And here you contradict yourself. 3 years back you said he is doing an excellent job, now you say he did a decent job.

The guy who you did bhangra on, his men ended up man handling the pm 3 years later

 

[Bewal Express]

So this is a conspiracy within a conspiracy within a conspiracy?

Damn, how delusional are you.

I think your confused- look at who said it. Nusrat Tokri. And the reason for his paranoia is the humiliation for you guys of 6 weeks of the worst govt ever seen anywhere. Something you guys will never ever live down. Terrible govt supported by total buffoons, with no public support

 

[Bewal Express]

And here you contradict yourself. 3 years back you said he is doing an excellent job, now you say he did a decent job.

The guy who you did bhangra on, his men ended up man handling the pm 3 years later

And how is it a contradiction. We gave Ind a kicking- give credit where its due.

 

[Major]

I think your confused- look at who said it. Nusrat Tokri. And the reason for his paranoia is the humiliation for you guys of 6 weeks of the worst govt ever seen anywhere. Something you guys will never ever live down. Terrible govt supported by total buffoons, with no public support

If the govt was terrible it would had lost the peoples confidence by now.


Oh wait, thats what happened with the previous govt...

 

[Major]

And how is it a contradiction. We gave Ind a kicking- give credit where its due.

Downing a plane was a kicking? They continue to enjoy their country go through economic growth and establish foreign relations and be part of important forums.

Meanwhile, you keep on celebrating abhinandan and tea

 

[Bewal Express]

Downing a plane was a kicking? They continue to enjoy their country go through economic growth and establish foreign relations and be part of important forums.

Meanwhile, you keep on celebrating abhinandan and tea

So we should have let the plane through and bomb the crap out of us. Thanks for that and while you are at it, lie down at their feet and worship their economic growth.

 

[Bewal Express]

If the govt was terrible it would had lost the peoples confidence by now.


Oh wait, thats what happened with the previous govt...

None of the losers now have a choice- they have burnt all their ships. Zillat every where and the worse is to come. Dont have the cajones to make decisions- bankruptcy, make the tough decison and the whole narrative is destroyed( although its already destroyed). This is the worst govt in any country, anywhere.

 

[Major]

So we should have let the plane through and bomb the crap out of us. Thanks for that and while you are at it, lie down at their feet and worship their economic growth.

Point is, you dont go around giving extentions just for downing a plane.

Whats next, because Boris Johnson captures a Russian spy he should be made pm for life?

Thats the thinking you used back than, ended up getting your pm removed and you still back that thinking.

I dont have to lie down to anyone being a majority in my country, cant say the same about you

 

[Bewal Express]

Point is, you dont go around giving extentions just for downing a plane.

Whats next, because Boris Johnson captures a Russian spy he should be made pm for life?

Thats the thinking you used back than, ended up getting your pm removed and you still back that thinking.

I dont have to lie down to anyone being a majority in my country, cant say the same about you

I didnt see a problem them and nor do i see one now. You have to to trust people( especillay when we faced a threat on 2 fronts) otherwise you get paranoid. And its Bajwa that is getting Zillat not IK, its Bajwa that will have to hide like AZ and the Sharifs, not IK. Your crooks have no support, thats why they cant make any decisions and want Bajwa to make it for them.

 

[JaDed]

As i said it doesn’t matter what I believe in, I don’t believe Indian politicians and am skeptical of Indian Defense at times as well, Ofcourse I’m not going to believe what Bajwa says..

Lol this aged well **pats myself** lol

 

[Varun]

Pakistan has such an anti-national army. They should be disbanded and replaced with patriots.

What is that phrase? : other countries have an army, whereas the Pakistan army has got a country.

 

[Savak]

Biggest blunder in Pakistans history and IKs tenure

 

[MenInG]

Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa has kicked off his farewell visits as the army chief visited Sialkot and Mangla garrisons, said Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) in a statement.

The military’s media wing in a statement said that COAS Bajwa visited Sialkot and Mangla garrisons as part of his farewell visits to various formations.

The army chief met officers and men at both locations and addressed the troops, the ISPR said.

 

[MenInG]

New army chief appointment will be announced before Nov 29: Ahsan Iqbal

Planning Minister Ahsan Iqbal has said that the next army chief will be announced before November 29.

“When the prime minister returns to the country, he will make the announcement in the next few days or two.”

He said the prime minister had his “eye” on the issue and the announcement would be done at the “appropriate time”.

 

[MenInG]

Former prime minister and PTI Chairman has reiterated that incumbent coalition government would not appoint next army chief on merit, saying PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif would not let it happen.

“Whoever is on merit should become the next army chief but Nawaz Sharif would not let it happen because they want to control the institutions to save their looted wealth,” he said while addressing PTI’s long march via video link in Gujrat on Friday.

 

[Shah]

Wonder who has more wealth, Ashfaq Parvez Kayani (owns much of Australia) or Raheel Sharif (almost as rich as the other Sharifs) or Bajwa.

 

[MenInG]

Former Prime Minister and Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan has invited the ruling coalition to hold talks over date of general elections, noting that his party would only wait till March, ARY News reported on Saturday.

Speaking to a private news channel, the former premier said that if the incumbent government is ready to hold elections by the end of March, he would not dissolve Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa assemblies.

However, he said, his party won’t agree on a date after March and assemblies will be dissolved this month [December] if the government disagrees.

“We are ready to hold negotiations over date of general elections,” the former prime minister said, citing the devastating economic situation as the reason behind PTI’s constant demand.

He noted that the country’s debt was constantly rising while the economy was deteriorating. “The incumbent rules will run away in the end and the citizens will suffer,” he claimed.

Imran Khan warned that he would dissolve Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa assemblies if the government refuses to hold elections in March.

Speaking of the dissolution of assemblies, the PTI Chairman noted that Punjab Chief Minister (CM) Pervaiz Elahi had vowed to follow his orders. “Pervaiz Elahi has given me the full authority to dissolve the assembly whenever I want,” he added.

Read More: Imran Khan says will dissolve Punjab, KP assemblies this month

Extension to ex-COAS Bajwa
In response to a question, the former prime minister said that his government’s decision to give extension to former Chief of Army Staff (COAS) Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa was ‘a mistake’.

While terming the decision a mistake, Imran Khan said that no one should ever get an extension in the army. “When we came into power, our government was facing several problems,” he said, adding that extension to former COAS Bajwa was inevitable.

“I would trust whatever ex-COAS General Bajwa said. I would tell him that both of us are thinking about the country; our only purpose was to save the country,” he said, adding that he didn’t know how he was being lied to and betrayed.

He further said that he received a report from the Intelligence Bureau (IB) about a game being played, adding that his informant from the IB would notify him verbally and not in writing following fears.

Read More: Pervaiz Elahi vows to dissolve Punjab assembly on Imran Khan’s call

‘NAB wasn’t in my control’
Responding to a question regarding National Accountability Bureau (NAB), Imran Khan said that at first, he didn’t understand why were the powerful not held accountable. “However, I later understood that the bureau wasn’t in my control,” he added.

“It was in someone else’s control and the problem was that they didn’t consider corruption as a bad practice,” the PTI Chairman added.

Accusing Zardari’s of being involved in corruption cases in the past, Imran Khan said, “It is a sign of doomsday that Zardari is saying that I will be sent to jail by NAB.”

The PTI chief, regarding his less number of seats in Sindh, said that he would run a campaign in Sindh and will defeat Zardari.

 

[MenInG]

Former prime minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi termed the amendment to the Army Act 1952 in January 2020 — granting former chief of army staff Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa a three-year extension — a “mistake” that needed to be repealed.

In a wide-ranging interview on Dawn News ‘Doosra Rukh’ which will be aired at 7pm today, Abbasi said it was his “personal opinion since day one” that the amendment was a mistake.

“An extension is an extraordinary act; it should not be made into a routine act,” he said. “The country’s prime minister (at the time Imran Khan) — without taking advice — gave the extension in August [2019], three and a half months before [Bajwa’s scheduled retirement].”

He elaborated that the “mistake was the amendment in the law” after granting the extension.

DAWN

 

[Bewal Express]

Former prime minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi termed the amendment to the Army Act 1952 in January 2020 — granting former chief of army staff Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa a three-year extension — a “mistake” that needed to be repealed.

In a wide-ranging interview on Dawn News ‘Doosra Rukh’ which will be aired at 7pm today, Abbasi said it was his “personal opinion since day one” that the amendment was a mistake.

“An extension is an extraordinary act; it should not be made into a routine act,” he said. “The country’s prime minister (at the time Imran Khan) — without taking advice — gave the extension in August [2019], three and a half months before [Bajwa’s scheduled retirement].”

He elaborated that the “mistake was the amendment in the law” after granting the extension.

DAWN

Nothing stopping the Nooras and PPP doing it. IK wont oppose it but Munir would have their guts for garter