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Asad Shafiq/Azhar Ali - Better Test batsmen than Virat Kohli?

I would take 1 Kohli over both Azhar and Asad in a team. Even together, they are not as good as Kohli.
 
Kohli may get close to Azhar and Asad in the test format if he keeps playing like this. Can he make a 300 to match the heroics of Azhar Ali?
 
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Buffet said:
Kohli may get close to Azhar and Asad in the test format if he keeps playing like this. Can he make a 300 to match the heroics of Azhar Ali?
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Yeah it will be a dream for Kohli to get close to those two untouchable modern test greats
 
Sadevdesai said:
I have seen in such comparison threads that, whenever an Indian does well. we immediately compare him against couple of our players, with the express purpose of bringing the Indian ..... Down !!!! Why so bitter ??? He did well for his Team, and we should appreciate that. I knew that, before even reading the full thread, somebody will say that both of our guys are better than Kohli .... and sure enough, it is there .... somewhere. Not mature. There is no real way to compare two batsmen. Conditions they play in is vastly different.... opposition they play against is not same .... luck factor is huge. So we should layoff such comparisons .... just enjoy the performance.
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I think Azhar and Asad have been good, solid bats for Pakistan over the year. Why does it matter whether they're better than Kohli? India and Pakistan never play each other for this contest to happen.
 
In tests, Shafiq and Azhar could take two turns an innings each, be combined into one player and they still couldn't be Kohli's equal.

And in ODIs they wouldn't make it to any non-Pakistanis world XI.

Maybe in the world club cricket XI.


You watch Kohli and he looks like he is ascending to another plane. Can't wait for take guard next summer in England.
 
Compare Shafiq and Azhar with Kohli is an insult to a player like Kohli. Shafiq is a failure and Azhar still play like debut match and struggle for runs
 
Buffet said:
Kohli may get close to Azhar and Asad in the test format if he keeps playing like this. Can he make a 300 to match the heroics of Azhar Ali?
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Against 2nd string WI bowling line up in UAE flat pitch!!!!!
 
Azhar and Assad are solid players but comparing them to a guy that may go on to become one of the greatest ever to play the game is not fair.
 
Oh well, performance in Australia was supposed to be the deciding factor. Our duo have some catching up to do after today.
 
Sarf should be the captain for all formats. Will exude much needed positivity in the team.
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Test batting average in the last 2 years:<br>Azhar Ali 66.11<br>Joe Root 58.28<br>Virat Kohli 54.80<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/786979523644514304">October 14, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Updated stats as of today. Shows you how phenomenal Kohli has been since Oct.

Also check out YK & Amla in that listSS1.jpg
 
We will see what Kohli can do after Eng racks up 400 plus in this Chennai test.

Azhar and Asad have a solid home track record Virat has come to his own only in last 2 series. Let's see where he stands at the end of Aus series!
 
Hawkeye said:
For the last few years, Pakistan's premier young Test bats have been on a steady rise. They're at their peak now after a good show in England.

<b>Kohli, on the other hand, started off as brilliant but then England happened.</b> After that he's been on and off, did well in SA/Aus but couldn't keep up consistency.

Now he isn't doing too good again even at his home.

How do they compare currently? Let's not confuse with other formats.
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Threads like this are the result of obsessing over one series and ignoring everything else.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
We will see what Kohli can do after Eng racks up 400 plus in this Chennai test.

Azhar and Asad have a solid home track record Virat has come to his own only in last 2 series. Let's see where he stands at the end of Aus series!
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He did just fine the last time England scored 400 :)
 
Azhar and asad are future greats for tests. Why are we comparing them to players like kohli :/
 
Somebody is not even fit to tie the shoelaces of Kohli's boot.Then how they can be compared?Sorry to say in such harsh way but i couldn't find better words .
 
^ to be honest, Pakistan has dearth of young batting talent recently. So, anyone showing one or two good signs is considered as good as Kohli.

Although, I must say Asad is good. I saw his first innings and two cover drives were enough for me to know that the talent is there. Time will tell though.
 
Mainul said:
Somebody is not even fit to tie the shoelaces of Kohli's boot.Then how they can be compared?Sorry to say in such harsh way but i couldn't find better words .
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Many experts in this thread, who claim to watch lots of cricket, rate them at same level. Look up comments. Either they are clueless or you are clueless. Take your pick.
 
Buffet said:
Many experts in this thread, who claim to watch lots of cricket, rate them at same level. Look up comments. Either they are clueless or you are clueless. Take your pick.
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The pick should be based on actual performance on the field. The answer should be obvious.
 
Napa said:
The pick should be based on actual performance on the field. The answer should be obvious.
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Kohli has to score runs in Eng and also in UAE, everything else can be ignored when it comes to comparing Kohli, Ali and Asad.
 
Buffet said:
Kohli has to score runs in Eng and also in UAE, <b>everything else can be ignored when it comes to comparing Kohli, Ali and Asad.</b>
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I doubt that is Kohli's goal. He probably aims to keep scoring those centuries and cementing India's position as #1 far far ahead of the #2 team in the ICC rankings.
 
Buffet said:
Kohli has to score runs in Eng and also in UAE, everything else can be ignored when it comes to comparing Kohli, Ali and Asad.
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Yes, Kohli should have scored everywhere. Lets ignore NZ, WI SA, Aus. Only England matters because Kohli is yet to score there. Even in England, one good innings by Asad and Ali are all that matters.
 
Both have been exposed badly..

Can't score overseas to save life.

Azhar is a good batsmen as per Pakistan benchmark though.

Since this thread has been made, it seems Kohli's test performance has gone to a flyer and one series was enough for him to convert 45-46 avg to 50 one.
 
Azhar and Shafiq are solid but Kohli is better than 99% of the batsman we have produced and if he does well Abroad, he will go onto be the best Ind have produced.
 
This thread has backfired as well as Steve Smith thread.


Now compairing Kohli with Azhar Ali or Asad Shafiq is equivalent to Blasphemy :jordan
 
These threads live and die by match. Strong character shown by Azhar ali today
 
Buffet said:
Kohli has to score runs in Eng and also in UAE, everything else can be ignored when it comes to comparing Kohli, Ali and Asad.
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That's the problem of tunnel vision of these fans..They how easily ignores Kohli's performance in Australia,South Africa and his overall away performance in which category Asad and Azhar are way way behind.A batsman who averages 50plus in all 3 formats of the game is a player of another level.And if one considers the pitch condition of UAE and India, Indian pitches are much sporting and supporting to bowlers than that of UAE.Kohli will score more heavily on UAE pitches than on India i think and score much more than Asad and Azhar.

In entertainment value,i will like to see hundreds of hours of Kohli's test batting than even one hour of boring tuk tuk turtle batting of Asad and Azhar.
 
Azhar and Shafiq have been a total waste of an investment.

Not even close to the likes of Root, Kohli.
 
StarWolf said:
Azhar and Shafiq have been a total waste of an investment.

Not even close to the likes of Root, Kohli.
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Just because they are not as good as Root/Kohli, they are not waste of investment by any means.

Azhar Ali is one of your only 2 bats who can actually last a while and can survive very hostile bowling. The moment he gets out, your batsmen tend to commit harakiri on a pretty regular basis.

Just because he is not like Kohli, doesnt mean you can diss him all the time. Show some appreciation for the amount of heart he puts in the test team. He is doing a very good job and is your best bat.
 
Times have definitely changed, the beloved Shafiq who could do no wrong in tests is now despised by every Pakistani fan.

No one's fault but his, mediocre and inconsistent players should be shown the door.
 
So what do y'all think now? :najam

People have been bumping my other threads, but fail to bump this one. :baelish I'm curious, like to ask questions. :srini
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Hawkeye said:
So what do y'all think now? :najam

People have been bumping my other threads, but fail to bump this one. :baelish I'm curious, like to ask questions. :srini
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]
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Still Kohli ahead for me.


Kohli, Steve, Kane than Root with Rahane, Azhar, Pujara loitering around Kane.
 
Meh no need to compare them with Kohli. Only root, smith, and de kock will challenge Kohli in this era as best batter.
 
100% Azhar is 10x better than Kohli and it's not even a contest
 
Would never have kohli in my side...especially illy if we had to play away all the time..
 
Close this thread down. Azhar is the ATG. No need to compare Ghar ka Kholi with him and insult real batsmenship.
 
Virat is generation In One Batsman; Azhar Ali and Asad shafiq Good Test Batsman....... Virat Is Aggression... Azhar and Asad are Cool as Cucumber; But Aggression is winning as India Is Number 1.. But But Pakistan Team hasn't really played like in their own backyard yet..

I hope we see IND VS PAK in SL would be great....
 
I don't know if Virat is a better batsman or If Azhar is not as good as Virat but what I do know is that Azhar Ali has played an absolute gem of an innings. Without his 196, Pakistan would never be in a position to boss this match. He's watched this innings right from the early wicket of Sami, to Pakistan suffering a mini collapse at 140-4 to now being 420 odd for 7.
 
Azhar is a world class batsmen. An avg of 47 as a opener is excellent although he has been a bit lucky in bashing WI and Ban. But he is world class still.

Asad is an average batsmen similar to Ian Bell.

Kohli is better than Azhar and Asad isn't anywhere close to the comparison.
 
Ab Fan said:
Azhar is a world class batsmen. An avg of 47 as a opener is excellent although he has been a bit lucky in bashing WI and Ban. But he is world class still.

Asad is an average batsmen similar to Ian Bell.

Kohli is better than Azhar and Asad isn't anywhere close to the comparison.
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On what basis kohli is better than azhar and if azhar is world class than what is kohli AtG ??
 
saeed5646 said:
On what basis kohli is better than azhar and if azhar is world class than what is kohli AtG ??
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Kohli is world class and a potential ATG..If he continues to perform like this he will eventually become ATG. Azhar has poor numbers in NZ and SA and is moderately successful in England. Kohli has poor numbers only in England.There are several obvious reasons for kohli to be rated higher.

Azhar is world class too. Avgs 47 in tests and is an opener although used to bat at 3 earlier.
 
the Great Khan said:
Would never have kohli in my side...especially illy if we had to play away all the time..
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Thankfully you aren't India's Chief Selector. They would have lost their Test status by now.

Kohli is potentially better than any batsman Pakistan has ever produced, performance wise he is already ahead of the rest except for Miandad, but it is a matter of time only.
 
It was good for Pakistani fans while it lasted. Now as usual Indian would take over by a mile.
 
Mamoon said:
Thankfully you aren't India's Chief Selector. They would have lost their Test status by now.

Kohli is potentially better than any batsman Pakistan has ever produced, performance wise he is already ahead of the rest except for Miandad, but it is a matter of time only.
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Wouldn't have him in my side at this moment...it's all sell and good when everything is in your favour..pitches rules money..but I haven't seen him perform under adversity..
 
the Great Khan said:
Wouldn't have him in my side at this moment...it's all sell and good when everything is in your favour..pitches rules money..but I haven't seen him perform under adversity..
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Your side must be composed of ATGs then. There is no comparison between him and Azhar and Shafiq. He is at a different level to both. A potential ATG unlike those two.
 
Lol. Shafiq wishes he was as good as Kohli. Imo you can't compare Azhar and Kohli b/c they play diff. positions.
 
Mamoon said:
Your side must be composed of ATGs then. There is no comparison between him and Azhar and Shafiq. He is at a different level to both. A potential ATG unlike those two.
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What kohli did special in Tests which Azhar will dream of, scoring double centuries against halpless windies and bangalis and a one against NZ, now please dont bring his Australia heriocs
 
tanveer din said:
What kohli did special in Tests which Azhar will dream of, scoring double centuries against halpless windies and bangalis and a one against NZ, now please dont bring his Australia heriocs
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the same helpless windies you are talking about that thrashed you in your own home ground few months back and you barely managed to save your face in the first match?
 
abhayjj said:
the same helpless windies you are talking about that thrashed you in your own home ground few months back and you barely managed to save your face in the first match?
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So azhar scored triple against same attack so he is better than kohli?
 
abhayjj said:
the same helpless windies you are talking about that thrashed you in your own home ground few months back and you barely managed to save your face in the first match?
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The talk is between Azhar and kohli individualy, not of team win loss ratio
 
Rayyman said:
No way that Kohli would do better than Azhar has as an opener.
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AamchiMumbaikar said:
Azhar > Kohli in test cricket ATM, need to wait for 2 more years before passing judgement
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Azhar averages 37 in Australia, England, NZ and SA over 18 matches with only 2 centuries. This includes an average of 32 in England, 29 in NZ and 22 in SA. Kohli averages 49 with 7 centuries in Australia, England, NZ and SA.
 
Hawkeye said:
For the last few years, Pakistan's premier young Test bats have been on a steady rise. They're at their peak now after a good show in England.

Kohli, on the other hand, started off as brilliant but then England happened. After that he's been on and off, did well in SA/Aus but couldn't keep up consistency.

Now he isn't doing too good again even at his home.

How do they compare currently? Let's not confuse with other formats.

Our wins have seen important contributions from Azhar/Shafiq. Kohli, maybe, haven't closely followed.
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Asad Shafique is by no doubt a far superior test batsmann then kohli.

Kohli is a flat track bully. Failed in eng, scored just one century on his first tour to aus... on a pretty flat wicket

While asad shafiqu's performance in australia was better than kohli's first visit to aus

Right now, the way azhar ali played in australia. i rate even azhar ali better than kohli in tests, outside asia

:)) :)))
Regards
 
Sachin136 said:
Azhar averages 37 in Australia, England, NZ and SA over 18 matches with only 2 centuries. This includes an average of 32 in England, 29 in NZ and 22 in SA. Kohli averages 49 with 7 centuries in Australia, England, NZ and SA.
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kohli's achievement in home are not much to brag about since away record takes precendence over home record

At now azhar ali and asad shafique are far superior batters than kohli, when it comes to outside asia

Its a sour pill to swallow but thats how it is.

Have a nice day
 
pacesensation said:
kohli's achievement in home are not much to brag about since away record takes precendence over home record

At now azhar ali and asad shafique are far superior batters than kohli, when it comes to outside asia

Its a sour pill to swallow but thats how it is.

Have a nice day
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I just posted their statistics outside Asia, and Kohli is far ahead of them.
 
Sachin136 said:
Azhar averages 37 in Australia, England, NZ and SA over 18 matches with only 2 centuries. This includes an average of 32 in England, 29 in NZ and 22 in SA. Kohli averages 49 with 7 centuries in Australia, England, NZ and SA.
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Sachin136 said:
I just posted their statistics outside Asia, and Kohli is far ahead of them.
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Brother I know you can read, so please use those comprehension skills. I said Azhar is better as an opener. No way Kohli can do better against the new ball than Azhar.
 
Rayyman said:
Brother I know you can read, so please use those comprehension skills. I said Azhar is better as an opener. No way Kohli can do better against the new ball than Azhar.
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That's what I'm saying. Azhar hasn't done well in the first place. I don't think Kohli's average is going to fall down 40 points in NZ, SA etc if he starts opening instead of batting at 3/4.
 
Kohli is twice the player Azhar is and thrice the player Asad. And I am speaking as a fan of both Azhar and Asad.
 
Rayyman said:
Brother I know you can read, so please use those comprehension skills. I said Azhar is better as an opener. No way Kohli can do better against the new ball than Azhar.
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You can't draw arbitrary conclusions to play down Kohli.

Azhar is a good opener no doubt about it, but Kohli is in a entirely different league.
 
Kohli is pushing the games greatest ever, and here we are comparing him to Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq.

Embarrassing thread.

It was clear to most that once Kohli found his feet at Test level that he will become untouchable :kohli2
 
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Rayyman said:
Yes, as a middle-order player.
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Can I take a look at your crystal ball.

You can't compare Azhar's and Kohli's opening capabilities because one of them hasn't opened in test cricket.

Your forming a base less argument.
 
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