Asad Shafiq/Azhar Ali - Better Test batsmen than Virat Kohli?

[Rayyman]

What is the reason that you feel kohli won't succeed over azhar as an opener?

Can I take a look at your crystal ball.

You can't compare Azhar's and Kohli's opening capabilities because one of them hasn't opened in test cricket.

Your forming a base less argument.

Azhar clearly has a superior batting technique v.s. swing and seam bowling. At least when it comes to defense. Kohli would get out much quicker. Azhar statistically is actually the hardest batsman in the world to get out.

 

[Ellipsism]

Azhar clearly has a superior batting technique v.s. swing and seam bowling. At least when it comes to defense. Kohli would get out much quicker. Azhar statistically is actually the hardest batsman in the world to get out.

Azhar's technique is nothing special, he's prone to falling away and missing deliveries hopping into his pad.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Azhar's technique is nothing special, he's prone to falling away and missing deliveries hopping into his pad.

Still better than anyone else in Pakistan

 

[Hasan123]

Azhar's technique is nothing special, he's prone to falling away and missing deliveries hopping into his pad.

Lol look at how many balls he's face in tests. Every player has weakness. Azhar is good at seeing the new ball off.

 

[Buffet]

Kohli probably saw this thread

Since this thread was created he has scored a ton in every other test.

16 tests , avg 92 , 8 tons ( 5 have been 200+)

 

[Hasan123]

Abysmal thread.

 

[babajee]

This is how I rank the current test batters.

Tier 1-Amla,Cook,Root,Younis,Williamson, Smith,Rahane,

Tier 2-Azhar,Asad,Misbah,Mathews,Ab,Warner,Virat,Vijay,Pujara.

May have forgot some but these are the ones I remember.

[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] abysmal thread??

 

[Hasan123]

[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] abysmal thread??

How long ago was that?

They might have been in the same tier but Kohli was always better than both.

 

[babajee]

How long ago was that?

They might have been in the same tier but Kohli was always better than both.

Yeah but i suppose the comparison was somewhat justified back then. Now Kohli has turned into a beast

 

[Hasan123]

Yeah but i suppose the comparison was somewhat justified back then. Now Kohli has turned into a beast

It was an unfair compairson on both players. They will never be as good as Kohli in tests because Kohli can put the opposition on the back foot. They have only outperformed him in England which I am sure will be corrected next summer.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

Kohli is leagues ahead

 

[Mamoon]

Azhar and Shafiq have never been at Kohli's level. The gulf in caliber is huge - Shafiq is average, while Azhar is decent at best.

I am surprised at the decline of Rahane though - he was at par with Kohli, but has been really poor in the home season over the last year or so.

 

[shaz619]

Certainly not Shafiq

 

[navin]

For the last few years, Pakistan's premier young Test bats have been on a steady rise. They're at their peak now after a good show in England.

Kohli, on the other hand, started off as brilliant but then England happened. After that he's been on and off, did well in SA/Aus but couldn't keep up consistency.

Now he isn't doing too good again even at his home.

How do they compare currently? Let's not confuse with other formats.

Our wins have seen important contributions from Azhar/Shafiq. Kohli, maybe, haven't closely followed.

you don't visit your own started threads often. Do you?

 

[navin]

We have seen

Ahmed Shahzad is better than Virat Kohli

kamran Akmal is better than Virat Kohli

Asad Shafiq / Azhar Ali are better than Virat Kohli

what would be next?

 

[giri26]

Another comparison thread which isn't anywhere close. Azhar is a good opener and Asad is a decent middle order player. Both of them aren't close to Kohli in anyway.

 

[Sadevdesai]

If it is a Pakistani player against an Indian player, then of course, ______ player is better !!!

 

[Sidilicious]

If it is a Pakistani player against an Indian player, then of course, ______ player is better !!!

Depends if you are talking about a batsman or a bowler

 

[Aman]

Read this thread if you need a laugh.

Kohli is knocking on the door of greatness while Shafiq is fighting for a position in Pakistan's batting line up post YK and Misbah.

 

[Shafi]

This thread is embarrassing and needs to be closed. We never had Kohli caliber batsmen in our entire history.

Azhar is a super timid average batsman who plays defensive even after score 200.
Shafiq is a lucky player to play in our team. Any team would dispose such a poor quality batsman long ago. Only in Pakistan players like Shafiq, Umar Akmal get enormous chances in the name of talent.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This thread is embarrassing and needs to be closed. We never had Kohli caliber batsmen in our entire history.

Azhar is a super timid average batsman who plays defensive even after score 200.
Shafiq is a lucky player to play in our team. Any team would dispose such a poor quality batsman long ago. Only in Pakistan players like Shafiq, Umar Akmal get enormous chances in the name of talent.

How many threads will be deleted?

Imran Nazir vs Sehwag?
Akmal vs Kohli?
Ahmad Shehzad vs Tendulkar?
Azhar/Shafiq vs Kohli?

And so many more......

How many to be deleted?

 

[UN talkz]

How many threads will be deleted?

Imran Nazir vs Sehwag?
Akmal vs Kohli?
Ahmad Shehzad vs Tendulkar?
Azhar/Shafiq vs Kohli?

And so many more......

How many to be deleted?

You should have checked before commenting here...
We have never deleted any of those threads. U can just search and bump those threads if u are missing these threads

 

[navin]

What's fun having these threads deleted? let them be as they are

The other one being "Do run really count against Sri lanka"

these threads are the reason that fuels this forum

 

[Napa]

They're all in the same group, behind Kane, Smith and Root, as far as emerging batsmen go. Azhar and Shafiq are just as good as the likes of Kohli, Pujara and Rahane, <b>if not better.</b>

Delusional as usual.

there is no doubt in my mind that virat is not only better <b>then</b> azhar but is at least 10 times better batsman <b>then</b> azhar but still most of there stats are same

so my question is what azhar needs to do so he can be counted as one of the best test batsman of the world or in same bracket as kohli

Than, than, not then, then. Normally I won't nitpick, but this hurts the eye.

As the pace of work picks up, my posting frequency is drastically down.

 

[Ab Fan]

Azhar is a 7/10.

Asad a 6/10.

On other hand, Kohli is eyeing for a 9/10.

Smith 9.5
Kane 8.5
Root 8

 

[cricketjoshila]

You should have checked before commenting here...
We have never deleted any of those threads. U can just search and bump those threads if u are missing these threads

Thats what i am saying.How many threads will be deleted.There isnt any end to people's stupidity.

 

[LegendAli]

What a slap in the face to AA.

He would have just as many daddy hundreds if not more compared to Kohli had Pak been playing SL just as much as India does...at home that is, You honestly don't see AA consisntently scoring in Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad, etc?

Shafiq hate however I do agree with.

Sri Lanka. /thread

 

[msb314]

The gap between Kohli and our batsman seems to be growing bigger and bigger.

The only apt comparison at this point is Babar vs Kohli in ODI's. Yes Babar has inflated stats for now but it is clear to everyone that Kohli is the better batsman right now.

 

[navin]

The gap between Kohli and our batsman seems to be growing bigger and bigger.

The only apt comparison at this point is Babar vs Kohli in ODI's. Yes Babar has inflated stats for now but it is clear to everyone that Kohli is the better batsman right now.

you are right there should be a new thread

Virat Kohli vs Babar Azam

 

[msb314]

you are right there should be a new thread

Virat Kohli vs Babar Azam

I think their already is:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-batsmen-in-the-early-stages-of-their-careers

 

[giri26]

you are right there should be a new thread

Virat Kohli vs Babar Azam

There is a thread comparing every young Pakistan player to Kohli and before that Sachin. If you have the patience to search.

 

[mkyawar]

please. do not insult kohli. azhar is good but asad shafiq. Is this another delusional typical pak fan. Look at the difference in talent, aggression, confidence. Asad Shafiq is weak and timid while Kohli is what you call a lion who scores runs against big fast bowlers while looking them straight in the eye. Imagine azhar/asad doing it

 

[Snak3eye5]

please. do not insult kohli. azhar is good but asad shafiq. Is this another delusional typical pak fan. Look at the difference in talent, aggression, confidence. Asad Shafiq is weak and timid while Kohli is what you call a lion who scores runs against big fast bowlers while looking them straight in the eye. Imagine azhar/asad doing it

We'll know more when Pakistan meets South Africa in Sa for the test game, I believe this year ?

 

[Kroll]

Why stop at Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq? Heck even the mighty Shan Masood is a better test batsman than Virat Kohli.

 

[navin]

bump

 

[dhonixi]

It's not good to bump every thread after one win, we have to remember we lost a series bro. And this question is already answered, kohli is better than azhar who is also very good batsman.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yes, Asad> Kohli..LOL!

 

[navin]

It's not good to bump every thread after one win, we have to remember we lost a series bro. And this question is already answered, kohli is better than azhar who is also very good batsman.

This thread is not about a team but Individual players and clearly Kohli outperformed every player including all the south african players, So I think it very much deserves a bump.

 

[msb314]

To be fair to [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] - this thread was made back in 2016 when there was not a huge gulf in skill and capability between Azhar and
Kohli.

However, during the last 12 months - Kohli has hit a purple patch and has taken his Test batting to a whole new level. Comfortably better than any Pakistani batsman right now.

 

[UP]

What a thread - can’t believe duds like Shafiq and Azhar were compared to an ATG Kohli.

 

[Buffet]

To be fair to [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] - this thread was made back in 2016 when there was not a huge gulf in skill and capability between Azhar and
Kohli.

However, during the last 12 months - Kohli has hit a purple patch and has taken his Test batting to a whole new level. Comfortably better than any Pakistani batsman right now.

I won't say that even though test output was similar, but it was not hard to say that Kohli has more skills and higher ceilings.

Azhar doesn't have shots to dominate otherwise Pakistan would have drawn few lost games.

 

[navin]

For the last few years, Pakistan's premier young Test bats have been on a steady rise. They're at their peak now after a good show in England.

Kohli, on the other hand, started off as brilliant but then England happened. After that he's been on and off, did well in SA/Aus but couldn't keep up consistency.

Now he isn't doing too good again even at his home.

How do they compare currently? Let's not confuse with other formats.

Our wins have seen important contributions from Azhar/Shafiq. Kohli, maybe, haven't closely followed.

Aussie pitches are flat pancakes which is why kohli scored those runs. But to OP yes they are much better than kohli in tests.

Of course they are better than Kohli.

Not sure why we're giving so much importance to Aus flat decks.

While it's true they should perform on that tour, it's no more a real 'test' of batsmen from the subcontinent.

They're all in the same group, behind Kane, Smith and Root, as far as emerging batsmen go. Azhar and Shafiq are just as good as the likes of Kohli, Pujara and Rahane, if not better.

Why is Kohli the gold standard for judging batsmen in Test cricket? Think we need to aim better.

Question really is whether the 2 are any closer to Joe Root in caliber?

Well, both Shafiq and Azhar have played better in England. Kohli was pathetic in England, batted like a tailender.

But yea, let's wait until they finish Australian tour.

Disagree Kohli maybe leagues ahead as a ODI batsman but not when it comes To Tests.

He had a fantastic series away in Australia but overall he's been very inconsistent as a Test batsman.

I think Azhar and Asad are at least level with him in this format.

Great post but why mention cook? he is a legendary test opener who has dominated india in India as well. He is miles better than kohli in test cricket.

LOL at some of these post

a much required bump.......

 

[kuskash]

LOL at some of these post

a much required bump.......

I am also lolling with you.

 

[kuskash]

Why stop at Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq? Heck even the mighty Shan Masood is a better test batsman than Virat Kohli.

Agreed, you forgot Wasti.

 

[Rahul1]

LOL at some of these post

a much required bump.......

Thank you so much for this bump bro.

 

[Abdullah719]

[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION], the true visionary

 

[navin]

Aussie pitches are flat pancakes which is why kohli scored those runs. But to OP yes they are much better than kohli in tests.

Kohli is not even the best batsman in the Indian team.

Vijay and Rahane are better.

They may not score 4 centuries on the trot but they will do just fine. But we know for sure that neither Azhar or Asad average 13 in England unlike kohli.

His antics make him a clown but his 13 average over 10 innings makes Azhar and Asad better batsmen than him.

I'd say they are all in the same tier at the moment. Kohli is not in the top A+ tier of Williamson, Smith, Warner, Cook and Root. This is how I rate the current Test batsmen. Bear in mind that this is TESTS ONLY:

A+: Steve Smith, David Warner, Alastair Cook, Joe Root, Kane Williamson

A: Johnny Bairstow, Younis Khan

A-: Usman Khawaja, Cheteshwar Pujara

B+: Azhar Ali, Misbah-ul-Haq, Asad Shafiq, Virat Kohli, Ajinkya Rahane, Hashim Amla, AB de Villiers, Dinesh Chandimal

B: Tamim Iqbal, Imrul Kayes, Temba Bavuma, Angelo Mathews

Sad state of affairs when a measly 45 is being hailed as a great innings.

He should be scoring big hundreds in this series but he's failed disappointingly.

Congrats Kohli.

On scoring first century in 3 years at home.

They're all on the same level, along with Vijay, Faf and Rahane. Below the likes of Cook, Root, Kane, AB and Smith, who in turn, are below Amla and Younis.

Let's wait for the Australian Tour shall we. A lot of things were similarly said before the English tour and once we came out of it with decent performance (Mind you that was the second best performance in over 8 years by any visiting team playing 4 matches or more), these same keyboard warriors were ducking for cover with embarrassment.

I've following test cricket for more than 15+ years mate and trust me this game has a funny way of biting people in the ..............

Anyways as of right now Azhar and Asad are both superior TEST bats to kohli and this is based on seeing all three of them play cricket against a good number of oppositions. Nothing to do with stats as some people don't really rate YK even though he has better stats than most of his competitors over the years.

Some more gems

enjoy

 

[cricketjoshila]

Kohli is not even the best batsman in the Indian team.

Vijay and Rahane are better.

This is High Treason!!!!

How do you propose to rectify this?

 

[Mamoon]

Never mind Asad and Azhar, Kohli is levels above any batsman Pakistan has and ever will produce.

 

[Buffet]

Never mind Asad and Azhar, Kohli is levels above any batsman Pakistan has and ever will produce.

I can agree with "has" produced, but "ever" produce shouldn't be used. Pakistan is not a batting powerhouse, but it's not Kenya as well.

 

[JaDed]

Never mind Asad and Azhar, Kohli is levels above any batsman Pakistan has and ever will produce.

You could had let Indian fans enjoy this bump before ruining it.

 

[Mamoon]

I can agree with "has" produced, but "ever" produce shouldn't be used. Pakistan is not a batting powerhouse, but it's not Kenya as well.

I don’t have faith in the Pakistani system. I don’t think we will ever produce a genuine ATG batsman who will be so good in all formats at the same time.

 

[Kroll]

Never mind Asad and Azhar, Kohli is levels above any batsman Pakistan has and ever will produce.

Meh, as our esteemed member [MENTION=146644]kuskash[/MENTION] reminded us, how is he better than Wasti?

 

[Varun]

This is High Treason!!!!

How do you propose to rectify this?

Did I really type that?

 

[Slog]

Never mind Asad and Azhar, Kohli is levels above any batsman Pakistan has and ever will produce.

Have to say you are correct

 

[Mamoon]

Have to say you are correct

To be honest, only a handful of teams have produced a better batsman than him.

Australia will always rate Bradman as the greatest ever, West Indies have the likes of Viv, Sobers and Lara, but he is probably already better than the best other teams have produced.

It is incredible how much he has achieved already. It is easy forget that he has so many peak years left.

 

[navin]

Test cricket will be Virat's strongest format.

He's a technician, mentally and physically. Over 5 days, his mental edge and cricketing acumen gives him the advantage over most opposition. If he's worked over in the first, you better believe he will be doing everything in his power to regain that edge.

We know Virat is very calculated in his approach. In the shorter formats, the limited overs and scoreboard pressure can often force him in a position where certain requirements are to be met during different stages of the game. Therefore, even if he knows, changing gears or playing certain shots to meet those demands could result in gifting his wicket away. This, he doesn't have to worry about in test cricket.

Test cricket has its own challenges. But what Virat doesn't have to worry about here is time. With increased overs, Virat can execute his plans with thorough precision, particularly in the 2nd innings setting a target or chasing one.

Coming to the critique over his technical deficiencies. Yes, he was susceptible a year or two ago. Instead of going down the pitch his front foot was going across, resulting in misjudgement of his offstump. At other times, his head would lead but the legs wouldn't follow or they would move too late. He's corrected that. His movements are more synchronized, the head and legs moving simultaneously leading to better alignment of head and foot. He doesn't quite have the muscle memory yet to apply himself instinctively. Therefore he's at his best technically when he's met by a challenge. This gets his brain working and Virat gets fully side-on and all those hours of practice come into play.

Another one of his problems is discipline. He's a busy player, so naturally at the start of an innings, he wants to feel bat on ball. But batting in the top 4, you won't always be able to do that due to lateral movement. Finding the balance between attack and defence is a minor mental issue. I expect a mental genius to find the solution sooner than later.

Some prophecies........

 

[King Kong]

Reading [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] Post, it's almost as if he travelled into the future and came back to write that. He couldn't be more right!

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

He is owning the world

Damn.

Earned my respect!

 

[Josh]

Some prophecies........

I have always found chief destroyer and talent spoter pk to be visionaries.

 

[big_gamer007]

Hahaha good thread one can always laugh at it now..

 

[stevewittry]

I don’t have faith in the Pakistani system. I don’t think we will ever produce a genuine ATG batsman who will be so good in all formats at the same time.

Babar Azam? Looks like today is the day for bumping all anti-kohli threads.

 

[Mamoon]

Babar Azam? Looks like today is the day for bumping all anti-kohli threads.

Very good player, could potentially surpass the likes of Inzamam, Younis, MoYo, Miandad, Zaheer etc., but he is not in Kohli’s league.

 

[BlackShadow]

Reading [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] Post, it's almost as if he travelled into the future and came back to write that. He couldn't be more right!

He is one of the few Pakistanis who rates Pandya very high too, good signs.

 

[topspin]

Poor Poor thread I mean seriously and it was only last week where one poster claimed Azhar Ali is as good as Kohli in England, if not better. The same poster who was in obvious pain was trying to numb it down with yet another preposterous claim; "Younis Khan's 218 > Kohli's 149".

Kohli surpassed Miandad ages ago and it is extremely unlikely that any Pakistan batsmen at present or in the future will surpass the Indian skipper in our lifetime.

I would also be interested to know if [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] still thinks if Amla is better than Kohli? He seems to have gone hiding ever since the VK scored that big ton at Edgbaston.

 

[Hasan123]

Embarssing thread.

 

[leatherface58]

Kohli averaged 13 in England before this series. Halfway point, he now averages 36. That is all you need to know. He is on some run right now.

 

[Slog]

To be honest, only a handful of teams have produced a better batsman than him.

Australia will always rate Bradman as the greatest ever, West Indies have the likes of Viv, Sobers and Lara, but he is probably already better than the best other teams have produced.

It is incredible how much he has achieved already. It is easy forget that he has so many peak years left.

Yes unless he has some Hashim Amla type meltdown in the last 3-4 years of his career his place will be among the top 3-5.

But regardless he will be an ATG by that point

 

[jeetu]

Since 2016 , Kohli and Smith are just on another level. In Smith's case it goes further back.

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[tr][td]TWM Latham (NZ) [/td][td]20 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]1224 [/td][td]37.09 [/td][td]46.41 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Q de Kock (SA) [/td][td]29 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]1661 [/td][td]36.91 [/td][td]73.65 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]11 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MM Ali (ENG) [/td][td]30 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]1646 [/td][td]36.57 [/td][td]55.47 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]T Bavuma (SA) [/td][td]25 [/td][td]43 [/td][td]1343 [/td][td]36.29 [/td][td]48.58 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]10 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]M Vijay (INDIA) [/td][td]22 [/td][td]36 [/td][td]1303 [/td][td]36.19 [/td][td]45.73 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SD Hope (WI) [/td][td]17 [/td][td]31 [/td][td]1048 [/td][td]36.13 [/td][td]42.41 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RL Chase (WI) [/td][td]22 [/td][td]40 [/td][td]1242 [/td][td]33.56 [/td][td]46.51 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]N Dickwella (SL) [/td][td]18 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]1061 [/td][td]33.15 [/td][td]70.92 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]8 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Asad Shafiq (PAK) [/td][td]20 [/td][td]37 [/td][td]1171 [/td][td]32.52 [/td][td]51 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Ashwin (INDIA) [/td][td]29 [/td][td]39 [/td][td]1059 [/td][td]28.62 [/td][td]51.73 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AD Mathews (SL) [/td][td]19 [/td][td]37 [/td][td]1058 [/td][td]28.59 [/td][td]50.04 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
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[Ab Fan]

He is having outrageous peak. Phenomenal really.

 

[Bilal7]

Poor Poor thread I mean seriously and it was only last week where one poster claimed Azhar Ali is as good as Kohli in England, if not better. The same poster who was in obvious pain was trying to numb it down with yet another preposterous claim; "Younis Khan's 218 > Kohli's 149".

Kohli surpassed Miandad ages ago and it is extremely unlikely that any Pakistan batsmen at present or in the future will surpass the Indian skipper in our lifetime.

I would also be interested to know if [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] still thinks if Amla is better than Kohli? He seems to have gone hiding ever since the VK scored that big ton at Edgbaston.

Lol, Amla is well past his prime. It's embarrassing that you're comparing him at the tail-end of his career to Kohli, who is in his prime. A prime-Amla won his team a series in England so yes, prime-Amla > prime-Kohli.

 

[topspin]

Lol, Amla is well past his prime. It's embarrassing that you're comparing him at the tail-end of his career to Kohli, who is in his prime. A prime-Amla won his team a series in England so yes, prime-Amla > prime-Kohli.

Oh look who it is! If I was in your shoes I would have retired from PP because you have not done your reputation any favours.

Kohli has 23 tons in 69 tests and Amla has slighly more with 28 in 119 tests. The difference in the average continues to grow as well. I don't ever remember Amla at his peak averaging 54 and 55, so to claim him at his prime > prime Kohli is another one your delusions.

Kohli has scored 10 tons in 23 tests in Eng, SA, NZ and Aus combined, which no other Asian batsman come come even close because this is an unreal conversion. Tendulkar has 17 tons in 63 tests and there is a good chance he may end up second best Indian test batsman once Kohli calls it a day.

A few words of advice - don't compare Amla to Kohli (let alone claim he's better) and it wouldn't be wise to call Kohli a "nobody" compared to Inzamam because you're just digging yourself a deeper hole for yourself.

 

[Bilal7]

Oh look who it is! If I was in your shoes I would have retired from PP because you have not done your reputation any favours.

Kohli has 23 tons in 69 tests and Amla has slighly more with 28 in 119 tests. The difference in the average continues to grow as well. I don't ever remember Amla at his peak averaging 54 and 55, so to claim him at his prime > prime Kohli is another one your delusions.

Kohli has scored 10 tons in 23 tests in Eng, SA, NZ and Aus combined, which no other Asian batsman come come even close because this is an unreal conversion. Tendulkar has 17 tons in 63 tests and there is a good chance he may end up second best Indian test batsman once Kohli calls it a day.

A few words of advice - don't compare Amla to Kohli (let alone claim he's better) and it wouldn't be wise to call Kohli a "nobody" compared to Inzamam because you're just digging yourself a deeper hole for yourself.

Amla has won test matches and test series in those countries you mentioned and did it against better bowlers in a time when batsmen were actually challenged in those conditions. He averaged around 66 during his peak between 2010 until the end of 2014. How about you wait for Smith to come back from his hiatus and then compare Kohli to his contemporaries instead of comparing him to legends who have retired or are at the tail-end of their careers.

This is like someone comparing Josh Hazlewood to Dale Steyn over the last two years or Mohammad Hafeez to Sachin Tendulker during 2011-2012. Pointless and disrespectful.

 

[topspin]

Amla has won test matches and test series in those countries you mentioned and did it against better bowlers in a time when batsmen were actually challenged in those conditions. He averaged around 66 during his peak between 2010 until the end of 2014. How about you wait for Smith to come back from his hiatus and then compare Kohli to his contemporaries instead of comparing him to legends who have retired or are at the tail-end of their careers.

This is like someone comparing Josh Hazlewood to Dale Steyn over the last two years or Mohammad Hafeez to Sachin Tendulker during 2011-2012. Pointless and disrespectful.

Amla's team was full of ATGs encompassing Smith, Kallis, AB, Steyn and etc, so to as if to imply Amla was pivotal to those overseas wins is merely a fabrication.

I don't know what you have against Kohli but to assume he didn't play in as challenging conditions is also another desperate attempt to prove Amla's "superior credibility" as a batsman. If you look at the bowling attacks from 2010 to date - England and SA have been stronger than they have ever been and the conditions have always been very bowling friendly when India has toured there in the last 8 years.

Kohli has scored tough runs and not to forget New Zealand's bowling attack spearheaded by Boult and with support from the likes of Southee and Wagner also make them formidable bowling opposition. In fact it is their greatest bowling attack since the days of Hadlee.

Luckily for Amla his number 1 ranked SA side had the best bowling attack and since they were in his team, he's never had to prove himself against the likes of a peak Dale Steyn. Kohli on the other hand did in his first tour to SA and averaged a mighty 68 and followed it up earlier this year to average 47-48 in a very low scoring series where the second and third highest averages were 41-42 from Elgar and 35-36 by AB. Virat Kohli was the only player to have a scored a ton in that series.

It is significantly easier to bat in Australia in recent years and is the one of the major reasons why Steve Smith averages 60+. This is evident by the fact he plays 50% of his home matches averaging 77 in Australia and 50 away. If you compare this to Kohli he averages 63-64 at home where it is a lot tougher to bat on the numerous dust bowls they prepare over there and 48 away from home which is almost the same as Smith. What really separates the two overall as a player is that Kohli is head and shoulders ahead of the Aussie as a LOI batsman.

Also it wouldn't be wise to bring up "disrespectful" tag when you have no respect for Kohli when you called him a nobody compared to Inzamam. Perhaps this explains why you're Amla's biggest cheerleader.

There is no comparison between Amla and Kohli whatsoever and there is no doubt who will end their career as an ATG. The so called disparity in bowling conditions and quality of bowlers faced by these 2 bowlers is nothing but a myth, shown by the massive statistical differences with the ton to matches and overall averages clearly speaks for itself.

 

[ChuckLee]

Why is Kohli the gold standard for judging batsmen in Test cricket? Think we need to aim better.

Question really is whether the 2 are any closer to Joe Root in caliber?

Because kohli is the god of batting in every format of the game that’s why.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Lol, Amla is well past his prime. It's embarrassing that you're comparing him at the tail-end of his career to Kohli, who is in his prime. A prime-Amla won his team a series in England so yes, prime-Amla > prime-Kohli.

Amla averages less than 40 in last 48 tests (since India tour in 2013).

That's 40% of his career.

40% of career is long tail-end. It started at age of 30 when other great batsmen are busy elongating their peaks, not tails.

 

[kuskash]

Amla averages less than 40 in last 48 tests (since India tour in 2013).

That's 40% of his career.

40% of career is long tail-end. It started at age of 30 when other great batsmen are busy elongating their peaks, not tails.

He understands but he will not accept openly in this forum for specific reasons, you know....

 

[Hawkeye]

[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION], the true visionary

Calm down. The thread was just to see what people think when Shafiq/Azhar were UAE bullying others, like they typically do.

Kohli is the undisputed king of all time batting.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

It's sad to see a future ATG like Kohli being compared to a batsman who can't even average 50 like Amla.

 

[Mamoon]

Amla:

A very good batsman who was extremely good for 3-4 years. However, he has been nothing special either side of his purple patch. However, he is far from an all-time great.

Kohli:

A genuine all-time great, who will end up in the top 10 (if not top 5) best batsmen of all time.

That is there is to this debate. It does not require any further discussion.