Asad Shafiq v Dinesh Chandimal

[Ab Fan]

I guess this is a fair comparison.

Both are really talented players with great potential. They bat in middle order and are regarded as the future prospect of both the countries.

However, both have a little knack of getting bogged down and this is something where they need to work on.

Chandimal is perhaps a better odi player than Shafiq but in tests it's close.

What are your views on these two?

 

[FreakCricket]

shafiq is way ahead in test, like chandimal is way ahead in odi! not a valid comparison

 

[Rayyman]

Both only have one six hitting shot- the mid wicket slog.

 

[FreakCricket]

i have seen enough times chandimal throwing away his wicket, to me shafiq is more mentally strong but chandimal has more strokes. Im talking about test cricket, who cares about jamodis and dugi dugi cricket

 

[anuk]

shafiq is far superior.

 

[Square Drive]

Shafiq for sure.

I mean, he's been compared to Kohli in a thread recently too, so he has to be that good.

 

[Rayyman]

Only in Pakistan can a 30 year old player be considered a long term prospect.

 

[Ab Fan]

Shafiq averages 42 while chandimal averages 44.

Ofcourse, averages aren't everything but both have a century in England and I am yet to see a knock like 162 vs India by Shafiq under pressure.

 

[aloo paratha]

Only in Pakistan can a 30 year old player be considered a long term prospect.

Misbah is still a long term prospect

 

[Rayyman]

Misbah is still a long term prospect

Maybe in commentary!

 

[street cricketer]

It's close in Tests but I'll take Shafiq in the longer format and Chandimal in ODIs.

But Chandimal is good in Tests too.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Shafiq in Tests and Chandimal in the shorter formats

 

[Syed1]

Shafiq has the same numbers of centuries at number 6 as Gary Sober.. THE GARY SOBERS. That certainly takes some doing.

No comparison in the longest format, although Chandimal takes the cake in the mickey mouse formats.

 

[Square Drive]

Shafiq averages 42 while chandimal averages 44.

Ofcourse, averages aren't everything but both have a century in England and I am yet to see a knock like 162 vs India by Shafiq under pressure.

Shafiq will produce more brilliant knocks, now that he seems to be a fit at #3.

 

[Rayyman]

Shafiq averages 42 while chandimal averages 44.

Ofcourse, averages aren't everything but both have a century in England and I am yet to see a knock like 162 vs India by Shafiq under pressure.

Chandimal is under pressure every game. Obviously he will produce knocks like that. Shafiq is rarely under pressure, but he produced 100 vs Sa after 33-4 and 73 at Lords when we needed a partnership.

 

[Xoib]

Shafiq averages 42 while chandimal averages 44.

Ofcourse, averages aren't everything but both have a century in England and I am yet to see a knock like 162 vs India by Shafiq under pressure.

He was twice out in that knock last pf DRS saved him. Chandimal started as a prodigy while Asad came with next to no hype. IMO Chndamial is more talented but Asad has a more solid technical agme and despite that 162 Asad leads Chandimal in terms of playing more meaningful knocks however Chandimal is improving rapidly now in this regard.

 

[rooster]

Both seems to have similar records in pretty much same batting positions but Shafiq has some good scores against good opponents(without getting into pitch and conditions) whereas Chandimal has been bashing Bangladesh till he turned it around in the last 18 months are so.

Both have been promoted in their batting positions recently. Let's see who's coming out on top in a year or so.

 

[hussain.r97]

Shafiq in tests easily. Chandimal in LOIs for now.

 

[Haroon786]

Shafiq in Tests.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Shafiq in Test better than Chandi, but in LOIs Chandi is way better than Asad.

 

[itsme]

Chandi has more potential but right now it still asad in test and off course chandi in loi

 

[itsme]

Chandi has played some very good knock on green wickets not fair saying he scores just against weaker sides.

 

[Slog]

Shafiq averages 42 while chandimal averages 44.

Ofcourse, averages aren't everything but both have a century in England and I am yet to see a knock like 162 vs India by Shafiq under pressure.

Pakistan have been 4 down for not many and Shafiq scored a century to rescue us. (NZ 2014, SL 2015, SA 2013)

 

[Hawkeye]

It's a Pak forum, so you can't expect many posts in favor of Chandimal.

I'll try to be neutral.

In Tests:
Close. Probably the same.
Overseas and in tough bowling conditions, Chandimal is probably ahead. Shafiq can be decent too. Chandimal will have more impactful innings, as he can attack and accelerate, which Shafiq can't.

In ODIs:
It's pretty clear - even Shehzad is better in ODIs than Shafiq. So, Chandimal.

Across all formats/overall: Chandimal is ahead.

 

[Hawkeye]

Chandi has played some very good knock on green wickets not fair saying he scores just against weaker sides.

True. Not fair to bash any non-Pak player blindly. He averages higher than Shafiq and that too under difficult/green conditions.

 

[srh]

Chandimal in every format

 

[street cricketer]

Chandimal in every format

Your bias against Shafiq knows no bounds.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Chandimal.

 

[street cricketer]

Decided to dig up the stats of them in Test cricket.

These are the averages of both batsmen in the following criteria:

In Australia: AS - Hasn't played, DC - 86 (just one match though)
In South Africa: AS - 33.16, DC - 37
In England: AS - 39.14, DC - 32
In New Zealand: AS - 35.66, DC - 45.33
In West Indies: AS - 12.00 DC - Hasn't played.

In UAE: AS - 48.46, DC - 25.00
In Sri Lanka: AS - 49.08, DC - 47.50
In Bangladesh: AS - 70.20, DC - 83.50.

Excluding minnows,
In Asia: AS - 48.65, DC - 38.06
Outside Asia: AS - 31.40, DC - 40.55.

Shafiq has 9 tons from 45 matches and Chandimal has 7 tons from 31 matches. Shafiq seems to be better in Asia and Chandimal seems to be better outside Asia.

Both have great potential. It's anyone's pick as far as Tests are concerned.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Chandimal is better in every format.

One has to also consider that he is doing better than Shafiq even as a keeper batsman.

 

[Ab Fan]

It's a Pak forum, so you can't expect many posts in favor of Chandimal.

I'll try to be neutral.

In Tests:
Close. Probably the same.
Overseas and in tough bowling conditions, Chandimal is probably ahead. Shafiq can be decent too. Chandimal will have more impactful innings, as he can attack and accelerate, which Shafiq can't.

In ODIs:
It's pretty clear - even Shehzad is better in ODIs than Shafiq. So, Chandimal.

Across all formats/overall: Chandimal is ahead.

You are right but then I guess if I'm not wrong , you haven't been that fair with Shafiq as you have been for other players of your country.

 

[Hawkeye]

Decided to dig up the stats of them in Test cricket.

These are the averages of both batsmen in the following criteria:

In Australia: AS - Hasn't played, DC - 86 (just one match though)
In South Africa: AS - 33.16, DC - 37
In England: AS - 39.14, DC - 32
In New Zealand: AS - 35.66, DC - 45.33
In West Indies: AS - 12.00 DC - Hasn't played.

In UAE: AS - 48.46, DC - 25.00
In Sri Lanka: AS - 49.08, DC - 47.50
In Bangladesh: AS - 70.20, DC - 83.50.

Excluding minnows,
In Asia: AS - 48.65, DC - 38.06
Outside Asia: AS - 31.40, DC - 40.55.

Shafiq has 9 tons from 45 matches and Chandimal has 7 tons from 31 matches. Shafiq seems to be better in Asia and Chandimal seems to be better outside Asia.

Both have great potential. It's anyone's pick as far as Tests are concerned.

So, that makes Chandi better overall. I wouldn't say Chandimal is 'weak' in Asia, he just hasn't had a chance yet to exploit his home conditions fully.

Didn't know he had that good stats in Tests!

You are right but then I guess if I'm not wrong , you haven't been that fair with Shafiq as you have been for other players of your country.

I call him out for his weaknesses, how am I unfair? And the stats above - they prove on factual grounds who is better.

Asad has his role in our Test side, but he needs to up it and take authority once Misbah/YK goes. Can he fill that role? He can't dominate bowlers or attack.

Wonder what Asad fans think after stats came on the table. [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] [MENTION=3224]ahmed[/MENTION]waqas82 [MENTION=134473]Haroon786[/MENTION] [MENTION=133865]hussain.r97[/MENTION]

 

[Ab Fan]

So, that makes Chandi better overall. I wouldn't say Chandimal is 'weak' in Asia, he just hasn't had a chance yet to exploit his home conditions fully.

Didn't know he had that good stats in Tests!



I call him out for his weaknesses, how am I unfair? And the stats above - they prove on factual grounds who is better.

Asad has his role in our Test side, but he needs to up it and take authority once Misbah/YK goes. Can he fill that role? He can't dominate bowlers or attack.

We will have to wait till Misbah/ Yk retirement if Shafiq can take up the responsibility or not along with Azhar. But I think every1 need to be a bit more patient with him as he is potentially very good bat.

He did scored a century up the order ahead of Yoni in last test vs Oval. So he certainly can take the responsibility.

 

[Ab Fan]

So, that makes Chandi better overall. I wouldn't say Chandimal is 'weak' in Asia, he just hasn't had a chance yet to exploit his home conditions fully.

Didn't know he had that good stats in Tests!



I call him out for his weaknesses, how am I unfair? And the stats above - they prove on factual grounds who is better.

Asad has his role in our Test side, but he needs to up it and take authority once Misbah/YK goes. Can he fill that role? He can't dominate bowlers or attack.

Wonder what Asad fans think after stats came on the table. [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] [MENTION=3224]ahmed[/MENTION]waqas82 [MENTION=134473]Haroon786[/MENTION] [MENTION=133865]hussain.r97[/MENTION]

I do agree with your point that since it's a Pak forum, Asad gets rated higher or better.

It's pretty close and that's why I made this thread.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Pakistan have been 4 down for not many and Shafiq scored a century to rescue us. (NZ 2014, SL 2015, SA 2013)

NZ and SA matches were foregone conclusions. He did not save anyone. Simply padded his stats.

 

[Slog]

So, that makes Chandi better overall. I wouldn't say Chandimal is 'weak' in Asia, he just hasn't had a chance yet to exploit his home conditions fully.

Didn't know he had that good stats in Tests!



I call him out for his weaknesses, how am I unfair? And the stats above - they prove on factual grounds who is better.

Asad has his role in our Test side, but he needs to up it and take authority once Misbah/YK goes. Can he fill that role? He can't dominate bowlers or attack.

Wonder what Asad fans think after stats came on the table. [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] [MENTION=3224]ahmed[/MENTION]waqas82 [MENTION=134473]Haroon786[/MENTION] [MENTION=133865]hussain.r97[/MENTION]

Chandimal is better overall especially when you combine all his stats for all formats. I think the century against India is one of the top centuries of this decade which asides from YK and possibly Sarfaraz against SL, no one has played including Misbah for us this decade. So if you take into account potential Chandimal is far ahead

Infact i think he has massively underachieved so far because he has the potential to be a top batsmen below the Root, kohli, williamson tier for this generation. He's only 26 so he hopefully makes it

Hawkeye you clearly have a bias against Shafiq which borders on obsession. However the funny thing is that most of your criticisms are laughable and without merit and you've been left with egg on your face that many times that its not evevn funny any moreThe weaknesses you call him out for in test cricket arent really weaknesses and there is enough statistical evidence to tear apart your criticism. And ofcourse you pounce on him whenever there is a failure which ofcourse will be there for pretty much any batsman because he is not Bradman or even Root, Williamson, Smith level. Shafiq has weaknesses such as not being able to play big innings but to be fair at #6 that is clearly a tough ask. Consistency is clearly an issue (which is sth you actually dont point out that often but Shady does harp on about to be fair - which brings into question your understanding of the game because there is an obvious weaknesses of a player you have a bias against but you dont focus on that and infact focus on non existent issues). Clearly not being able to play under pressure or do a recovery job is not Shafiq's weakness and he has done both several times home and away. If you choose to live in denial about the blatant facts presented regarding the circumstances and contexts of most of his scores, then you are free to do so. The simple fact is that at the position he has batted for 95% of his test career he has a better or equivalent record to ATGs of the game whilst playing similar or sometimes lower number of innings. These legends include Border, Waugh, De Villers, Sobers, Chanderpaul, Ponting, Lloyd among others

 

[Slog]

NZ and SA matches were foregone conclusions. He did not save anyone. Simply padded his stats.

lol so being 4 down in the first innings is a match with a foregone conclusion lmao! )

with mentality like that why even play haha??

if anything performing while people around you are crashing and burning requires mental strngth

 

[Slog]

We will have to wait till Misbah/ Yk retirement if Shafiq can take up the responsibility or not along with Azhar. But I think every1 need to be a bit more patient with him as he is potentially very good bat.

He did scored a century up the order ahead of Yoni in last test vs Oval. So he certainly can take the responsibility.

Its bit ridiculous logic here

This was his record at #6 as per a thread last year. Its gotten better now. and he has equalled the centuries.

If he is performing better than any #6 in Pakistan's history and matching ATGs how the heck is that not taking responsibility

 

[Chief Destroyer]

lol so being 4 down in the first innings is a match with a foregone conclusion lmao! )

with mentality like that why even play haha??

if anything performing while people around you are crashing and burning requires mental strngth

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-south-africa-2013-14/engine/match/649089.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan-v-new-zealand-2014/engine/match/742615.html

 

[Chief Destroyer]

[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] Nvm, you're talking about the SA tour. Even though he did not save us, I'll give him that.

 

[Slog]

[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] Nvm, you're talking about the SA tour. Even though he did not save us, I'll give him that.

Lol you'll give him that. So nice of you

this is kind of a ridiculous situation

if he didnt score on that SA tour test when we were <50 for 4 (or sth like that - might be confusing score with NZ match but we were in dire situation either way) then the logic would be he fails, cant handle pressure, never socres when in trouble, scores easy runs..

here he did score, and scored an amazing century. But he didnt save us lol. You do know crickets a team game. as far as #6 goes throughout cricketing history of 150 years or so that as good as it normally will get from that position

 

[Hawkeye]

Chandimal is better overall especially when you combine all his stats for all formats. I think the century against India is one of the top centuries of this decade which asides from YK and possibly Sarfaraz against SL, no one has played including Misbah for us this decade. So if you take into account potential Chandimal is far ahead

Infact i think he has massively underachieved so far because he has the potential to be a top batsmen below the Root, kohli, williamson tier for this generation. He's only 26 so he hopefully makes it

Hawkeye you clearly have a bias against Shafiq which borders on obsession

You said Chandimal is inferior in Tests, which was surprising. Not many would claim that.

Me saying Chandimal is better is biased? If you think again, it's people claiming Asad is better are biased. No? Because the facts don't support that argument.

Nothing I say about him is wrong - he has weaknesses, which I just point out and which are very valid. The same for Azhar, Hafeez, Shan Masood, I call them out too. You think and feel I'm "against" Shafiq because you're his die-hard fan.

However, you don't come into picture when I'm criticizing others for their negatives.

 

[Slog]

You said Chandimal is inferior in Tests, which was surprising. Not many would claim that.

Me saying Chandimal is better is biased? If you think again, it's people claiming Asad is better are biased. No? Because the facts don't support that argument.

Nothing I say about him is wrong - he has weaknesses, which I just point out and which are very valid. The same for Azhar, Hafeez, Shan Masood, I call them out too. You think and feel I'm "against" Shafiq because you're his die-hard fan.

However, you don't come into picture when I'm criticizing others for their negatives.

Chandimal maybe slightly behind in my book in tests but it's a toss up. Prolly equal

And no your criticism are not valid because they've been torn apert several times and then you've ran away with your tail between your legs until the next time he has a low score when you reappear and bump Shafiq threads. You're fooling no one here

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Lol you'll give him that. So nice of you

this is kind of a ridiculous situation

if he didnt score on that SA tour test when we were <50 for 4 (or sth like that - might be confusing score with NZ match but we were in dire situation either way) then the logic would be he fails, cant handle pressure, never socres when in trouble, scores easy runs..

here he did score, and scored an amazing century. But he didnt save us lol. You do know crickets a team game. as far as #6 goes throughout cricketing history of 150 years or so that as good as it normally will get from that position

It was a very good knock but not comparable to Chandimal's 162*(SR 95). His best knock under pressure is the 131 in partnership with Sarfaraz which is still not comparable to Chandi's because it was actually Sarfaraz who took the initiative and turned the game on its head by striking at 100+.

 

[Hawkeye]

Chandimal maybe slightly behind in my book in tests but it's a toss up. Prolly equal

And no your criticism are not valid because they've been torn apert several times and then you've ran away with your tail between your legs until the next time he has a low score when you reappear and bump Shafiq threads. You're fooling no one here

I understand your concern and point of view - you're his fan so you think others are wrong (and only you are right).

There's no use debating over Shafiq's weak points in this thread.

 

[Slog]

I understand your concern and point of view - you're his fan so you think others are wrong (and only you are right).

There's no use debating over Shafiq's weak points in this thread.

No. It's you who think only you are right. And I'm more than happy to criticise Shafiq and have critiqued him on several aspects and don't really see him as anything other than a good test batsman. You on the other hand almost wait for him to fail so that you can go on your thread bumping spree and when he does score you disappear for a few days and don't talk about him. Thankfully I don't ever wish for any Pakistani to fail regardless of my personal dislike for them if there is. As I said you're not fooling anyone

Also a difference between you and me. I maybe a Shafiq fan but I don't think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread and have criticsed him on the forum many times on many threads. However with your favourite Misbah you think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread who can do no wrong. Dunno whether you have ever criticsed him.

 

[Hawkeye]

Also a difference between you and me. I maybe a Shafiq fan but I don't think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread and have criticsed him on the forum many times on many threads. However with your favourite Misbah you think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread who can do no wrong. Dunno whether you have ever criticsed him.

Nopes. He should be criticized where it's valid. Why are you going off-track? This argument is leading us nowhere. I'm glad to accept that you do not accept all those Shafiq weaknesses.

You don't have to make everyone agree with your point of view.

 

[Slog]

Nopes. He should be criticized where it's valid. Why are you going off-track? This argument is leading us nowhere. I'm glad to accept that you do not accept all those Shafiq weaknesses.

You don't have to make everyone agree with your point of view.

There's no need to accept those weaknesses because facts suggest otherwise

I would believe facts than what's purported by Hawkeye and Shady

 

[QalandarFan]

Simple Tests - Shafiq ODI's - Chandimal

 

[The_Odd_One]

Decided to dig up the stats of them in Test cricket.

These are the averages of both batsmen in the following criteria:

In Australia: AS - Hasn't played, DC - 86 (just one match though)
In South Africa: AS - 33.16, DC - 37
In England: AS - 39.14, DC - 32
In New Zealand: AS - 35.66, DC - 45.33
In West Indies: AS - 12.00 DC - Hasn't played.

In UAE: AS - 48.46, DC - 25.00
In Sri Lanka: AS - 49.08, DC - 47.50
In Bangladesh: AS - 70.20, DC - 83.50.

Excluding minnows,
In Asia: AS - 48.65, DC - 38.06
Outside Asia: AS - 31.40, DC - 40.55.

Shafiq has 9 tons from 45 matches and Chandimal has 7 tons from 31 matches. Shafiq seems to be better in Asia and Chandimal seems to be better outside Asia.

Both have great potential. It's anyone's pick as far as Tests are concerned.

Always knew that Chandimal was a better test batsman outside Asia and hence a better overall batsman.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Its bit ridiculous logic here

This was his record at #6 as per a thread last year. Its gotten better now. and he has equalled the centuries.

If he is performing better than any #6 in Pakistan's history and matching ATGs how the heck is that not taking responsibility

These stats do no mean anything when you notice that at #6, he averages 24 in (SA & Zimbabwe), 32 in England, and 35.66 in NZ. On the other hand, he averages 50+ in UAE, SL, and Bangladesh.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Who do cricketers and pundits praise? Who does better in crunch situations? Who does better away on unhelpful tracks? Who has a bigger impact on the outcome.

That should decide, not stats alone.

 

[Hawkeye]

These stats do no mean anything when you notice that at #6, he averages 24 in (SA & Zimbabwe), 32 in England, and 35.66 in NZ. On the other hand, he averages 50+ in UAE, SL, and Bangladesh.

You'd be termed biased if you point out any negative fact about Shafiq. Just calling for Slog's wrath.

 

[Hawkeye]

Who do cricketers and pundits praise? Who does better in crunch situations? Who does better away on unhelpful tracks? Who has a bigger impact on the outcome.

That should decide, not stats alone.

You're asking the right questions, which most won't like here, particularly the answer.

 

[IcedCoffee]

A #6 batsman will always play differently than a #4. I feel that has an impact on his stats. Shafiq's average would only go up playing at #3 as he showed during the England series.

I'd rate him slightly above Chandimal in Tests, but far behind in ODIs.

 

[street cricketer]

A #6 batsman will always play differently than a #4. I feel that has an impact on his stats. Shafiq's average would only go up playing at #3 as he showed during the England series.

I'd rate him slightly above Chandimal in Tests, but far behind in ODIs.

But then again, Chandimal is a wk batsman and we are not taking that into consideration.

 

[street cricketer]

Tbf to Asad though, Chandimal was dismissed around 3 times in that 160 against India.

So that knock cannot be used against Shafiq.

 

[Rayyman]

But then again, Chandimal is a wk batsman and we are not taking that into consideration.

Kusal Perera keeps now.

 

[street cricketer]

Kusal Perera keeps now.

Oh okay..My bad. Still he has played quite a few knocks as a wk batsman I think.

 

[anuk]

Kusal Perera keeps now.

does he? chandimal kept in the 1st and 3rd tests but didn't keep in the second test for some reason. also kept in the first and second odi but not the third. i think it just depends on who scores runs on the day and who is more tired but chandimal prefers to be the first choice keeper.

 

[Suleiman]

Chandimal has superior knocks in tests as well in much tougher conditions than Shafqat has faced.

In ODIs it is a no brainer.

Odd comparison.

 

[*syed59*]

If Shafiq had been from Lahore, this thread would be Asad Shafiq vs Joe Root , or can Shafiq be our Kohli ?

But since its not to be, you will see sharpest to the edge comparison leaving no breathing space for Shafiq. Every average and innings will be scrutinized and debated on as if they somehow have some kind of duty to put him down against a surge of 100-200 Shafiq fanyboys, whilst in reality there are none but honest and reality based views about him.

Daro mat bhaion daro mat, Shafiq isnt a world beater, and there is still hope for Akmal to get in the test side replacing some more deserving batsman. Injustice is not too far away. Keep patience.

 

[DRsohail]

Chandimal steal and close it with another daddy hundred.

 

[Hasan123]

Chandimal is the better test player.

 

[CadPakFan]

Shafiq is now inferior to Chandimal in both ODIs and Tests.