Ashwin and Jadeja on a rank turner, or Broad and Anderson in seaming and cloudy conditions?

[Hasan123]

I was watch Ashwin and Faf Du Plessis having a discussion on Ashwins YouTube channel. He asked Faf the question who would he rather face Broad and Anderson on a cloudy day in England or Jadeja and Ashwin on a rank turner? Faf went with facing Anderson and Broad as he is more familiar with it. It got me thinking what is more difficult as it not something I have thought about before.

What is more difficult to face in your opinion, Ashwin and Jadeja on a ranking turner or Broad and Anderson on a cloudy day with favourable conditions for seam/swing?

Discuss....

 

[sweep_shot]

Both are tricky.

But, rank turner is probably a bigger test.

 

[topspin]

A rank turner against Ashwin and Jadeja is more difficult because on this type of wicket the ball continues to spin and as it gradually deteriorates, the tougher it gets for the batsmen.

Against Broad and Anderson in overcast conditions and/or green wickets, it gets easier for the batsmen once the ball is old, sun bakes the wicket and not to forget the quick bowlers will eventually get tired.

 

[Buffet]

Quick bowlers can not bowl as long as spinners. Against spinners, you can probably hit them out some time without feeling that you will get injured. Both scenarios are very challenging.

I think it will come down to familiarity. If you are used to playing on turners and have played very little in seaming and cloudy conditions then you will feel more comfortable playing against Ashwin/Jadeja on rank turners. Reverse will be true for some one having more familiarity in seaming and county conditions.

This will be an interesting questions for truly ATG batsmen who can play in both conditions. I guess even then they will have their biases for home conditions because that's how they grew up.

 

[Robert]

Depends on your skills. Indians will do better against A&J, English against A&B. Only a champion like Kohli could succeed against all.

 

[Mueez]

Asian players will struggle more against Anderson and Broad.

Non-Asian players will struggle more against Ashwin and Jadeja.

And Pakistani batsmen would struggle against both.

 

[Buffet]

Depends on your skills. Indians will do better against A&J, English against A&B. Only a champion like Kohli could succeed against all.

This question will be interesting to ask to Smith, Kohli etc. In fact Smith will be even more interesting because his home ground is pretty much flat and he may be in unique position to not have biased towards any condition.

 

[Geil]

In terms of the impact on the result of a test match then there is no doubt that Ashwin/Jadeja are way ahead of everyone else especially when they play in India so there are clear winners



Among 18 pairs with 400-plus wickets together, Anderson-Broad have the second-lowest wickets per match (7.65).

Tim Southee and Neil Wagner have the highest ratio of wickets per match - 9.21 (341 scalps in 37 Tests)

Anderson and Broad are great but definitely not number one as there are others who have stats to prove it wrong

the most best thing that very a few might achieve of what Anderson and Broad have achieved is the amount of test matches they have played for England that would be very difficult to beat

 

[Buffet]

In terms of the impact on the result of a test match then there is no doubt that Ashwin/Jadeja are way ahead of everyone else especially when they play in India so there are clear winners

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Among 18 pairs with 400-plus wickets together, Anderson-Broad have the second-lowest wickets per match (7.65).

Tim Southee and Neil Wagner have the highest ratio of wickets per match - 9.21 (341 scalps in 37 Tests)

Anderson and Broad are great but definitely not number one as there are others who have stats to prove it wrong

the most best thing that very a few might achieve of what Anderson and Broad have achieved is the amount of test matches they have played for England that would be very difficult to beat

Anderson and Broad in Eng?

Do you have those numbers because OP is about that. Ashwin and Jadeja numbers should be pretty much in India because outside 2 spinners won't play.

 

[Geil]

Anderson and Broad in Eng?

Do you have those numbers because OP is about that. Ashwin and Jadeja numbers should be pretty much in India because outside 2 spinners won't play.

those figures are for those matches where the bowling duo played matches together , obviously for Ashwin/jadeja majority of those matches would be in India as they dont play much together away, my point is Ashwin/jadeja are more lethal and hard to tackle in india than Broad/anderson in Eng it is so very clear

 

[therealAB]

Ashwin, Jadeja is definitely harder. India was incredibly successful at home even before the pace resurgence and they were the no1 reason

 

[Buffet]

those figures are for those matches where the bowling duo played matches together , obviously for Ashwin/jadeja majority of those matches would be in India as they dont play much together away, my point is Ashwin/jadeja are more lethal and hard to tackle in india than Broad/anderson in Eng it is so very clear

Thanks.

I did not realize before you posted that Ashwin-jadeja have been picking more than 10 wickets per test. That's crazy effective.

 

[Sidilicious]

Adding extreme conditions is probably not the best idea. If the conditions are too seamer friendly, decent seamers become unplayable. For eg. Ryan Sidebottom becoming the second coming of Bret Lee, and Simon Harmer picking bucketloads of wickets on rank turner.

The question should be the effectiveness on seam friendly and spin friendly pitches. I.e most pitches in SA, Eng or most pitches in India, Bang, SL