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Asia Cup 2023 - biggest disaster ever for Pakistan cricket?

shah9425 said:
It was a disaster for us
Just got to host only 4 matches despite being the host
Lots of travel for our team
Then rainy weather dampened all the tournament

Then injuries

A forgetful tournament for us
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Also also, since the final lasted 21 overs it means less broadcasting revenue haha
 
Devadwal said:
How

How many over lost from super 4 stage to final due to rain?
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Was this an ODI match or a two-day Test match between India and Pakistan?

Why hasn't the same rule been applied to all teams? If that match between Pak and Ind had to be called off due to rain, both teams should have been awarded 1 point each.

In this scenario, any team would have secured their place in the finals.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Was this an ODI match or a two-day Test match between India and Pakistan?

Why hasn't the same rule been applied to all teams? If that match between Pak and Ind had to be called off due to rain, both teams should have been awarded 1 point each.

In this scenario, any team would have secured their place in the finals.
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All boards including PCB were agree on reserved day for India - Pakistan match and it's announced before the game even started so it's not like only Pakistan were treated differently .
 
Rana said:
Mamoon said:
That’s the story of his career. His perception and aesthetics are better than his output.

His numbers in Test cricket against the top sides are painful.
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Mamoon said:
What could go wrong for Pakistan did go wrong. Not only did Pakistan emerge out of this tournament as a weak pushover board, it was also exposed as a weak team and all the hype surrounding its ranking, Babar’s batting and its bowling fizzled out badly.

  • PCB was forced to host matches in Sri Lanka. Playing India only in Sri Lanka would have been understandable, but the fact that they were forced to play Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka when Pakistan was the host nation was embarrassing.

  • Pakistan loses to India by a record margin after making tall claims and making bullish statements for a week.

  • Injuries and loss of confidence Naseem Shah and Haris Rauf get injured, Shaheen has lost confidence after the “they cannot play him” narrative ended in complete humiliation.

  • India plays its backup players and lose to Bangladesh which meant the number 1 ranked team finished last in the table

  • Indian pacers blow Sri Lanka away in the final proving that even their pace attack is better than Pakistan’s.

  • The World Cup is only a few weeks away where Pakistan will be traveling to India of all places with all the baggage and the PTSD of the Asia Cup. There are no bilateral series against underpowered teams before the World Cup where Pakistan can pretend to be the number 1 team, Babar can pretend to be the number 1 batsman and the pacers can pretend to be the number 1 pace attack.

  • Lack of cohesion in the dressing room cannot be dismissed as weak media reports. When there is smoke, there is fire. For the first time 4 years of Babar’s captaincy, there have been reports of arguments and infighting in the dressing room. Losing and losing in this fashion can destroy the team culture and spirit. This could be the beginning of the end for Babar as captain and those days of grouping had lobbying could be back.

All in all, Pakistan have had many disastrous tournaments in the past but surely, considering all factors and the timing of this tournament, the 2023 Asia Cup has to be the biggest disaster Pakistan has ever had and it will take something special to brush this aside, that too before the World Cup.

It is safe to say that Pakistan cricket before and after the Asia Cup is not in the same state.
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Our cricket is a mess, our country stands destroyed. Painful times
 
Babar is one stubborn chap and the thrashing was well deserved.

The players thought that Haj, Umrah, getting gifts for opposition players, hugging & laughing and nepotism is sufficient to succeed. Well guess what, it is not.

On a side note, I rather Pakistan went into a World Cup battered & bruised. This keeps them more focussed.
 
NASEER HUSSAIN on Sky Sports:

"Never ever judge Pakistan by their performance in Asia cup. They are an ICC tournament side just like New Zealand. One day they will be mercurial but next day when stakes will be high, different Pakistan will turn on"

You know it! Pakistan is the most dangerous team in ICC tournaments - to hell with ACC comps!
 
hitthestump said:
Nobody knows what those changes should be.

And when the XI is finalised, watch how people here will be screaming that this or that player should have been selected.

The fundemental issue is that there was absolutely shambolic preparation for this WC. One injury, one humiliating loss to India and suddenly Pakistan cricket went from lumber 1 ranking to completely lost.
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Neither we were lumber 1 before nor we are completely lost now. Pakistan has and always will be a middle ranked team with flashes of brilliance. These ICC rankings rarely reflect the reality.

As for selection, that is up to the PCB. They're better equipped to make that decision than anyone on this forum.
 
I think the biggest disaster was the 2006 World Cup in the West Indies. We were knocked out in the group stages after losing to Ireland and the West Indies. Bob Woolmer had a heart attack in the aftermath and passed away. That was truly a dark time
 
Keep my words guys, every time you underestimate Pakistan ahead of any major tournament, they come stronger in it.

So i am getting very positive vibes for this worldcup.
 
Asad T said:
I think the biggest disaster was the 2006 World Cup in the West Indies. We were knocked out in the group stages after losing to Ireland and the West Indies. Bob Woolmer had a heart attack in the aftermath and passed away. That was truly a dark time
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The match fixing in 2010. Do you remember that shameful Sunday morning
 
Bewal Express said:
Your new to the game. This forum is over 20 years old and the issues today about PK cricket go way back. Look it up
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Lol

You are telling one of the smoothest players of the game.

The issues have always been there, but the denial of those issues became extremely apparent since Imran Khan’s regime took over. The all is good mantra (amidst disaster) was amplified under him
 
Indeed Pakistan faced number of hurdles;
But who will learn from it MR NAJAM SETHI, MR ZAKA ASHRAF or someone come after elections? You need stability in Board Chairmanship as well; Criticizing Babar and Coo only is injustice. Changing in system is required badly
 
Technics 1210 said:
Pakistan back at #1 ODI rank despite India's win today!

Haters gonna complain about rankings now blah blah blah, but facts are facts, despite Pakistan's poor Asia Cup, Pakistan remains the #1 ODI team right now, and heading into the WC.
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Le India:

“Aap apni ranking rakhain, hum Asia cup ghar le jate hain…aur agle mahine World Cup bhi le jayen ghe”
 
Rana said:
Le India:

“Aap apni ranking rakhain, hum Asia cup ghar le jate hain…aur agle mahine World Cup bhi le jayen ghe”
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Worldcup would not be that much "HALWA" for them as It will be organized by the ICC, not the ACC, providing them an opportunity to complete a game within two days.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Worldcup would not be that much "HALWA" for them as It will be organized by the ICC, not the ACC, providing them an opportunity to complete a game within two days.
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They won’t need it. It was BCCI doing Pakistan a favour to get the game in and get their revenue.

We can be grateful to them. They are not as evil as they are made out to be
 
Haters gonna hate, not only did they claim Asia Cup is a useless and irrelevant tournament, they were also singing and dancing around India's now lost and forgotten #1 ODI ranking. Their lies and insecurities have been exposed.

Pakistan doesn't need #1 ranked batmen, bowlers, or team, all they need is a bit of jazba (recall CT17 final). Though I will take top ranks too as it riles and rattles the haters.

Watch out WC teams, had Pakistan won the Asia Cup the they'd have been complacent, but now they will have something to prove.

The most dangerous side in ICC tournament history is about to enter the den.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Haters gonna hate, not only did they claim Asia Cup is a useless and irrelevant tournament, they were also singing and dancing around India's now lost and forgotten #1 ODI ranking. Their lies and insecurities have been exposed.

Pakistan doesn't need #1 ranked batmen, bowlers, or team, all they need is a bit of jazba (recall CT17 final). Though I will take top ranks too as it riles and rattles the haters.

Watch out WC teams, had Pakistan won the Asia Cup the they'd have been complacent, but now they will have something to prove.

The most dangerous side in ICC tournament history is about to enter the den.
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I would love the Aussies and the English to read this

Bring it on Pakistan!
 
Rana said:
They won’t need it. It was BCCI doing Pakistan a favour to get the game in and get their revenue.

We can be grateful to them. They are not as evil as they are made out to be
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I am not focused on the revenue we earned, my only concern was the match that could have ended in a draw. :ROFLMAO:
 
Technics 1210 said:
Haters gonna hate, not only did they claim Asia Cup is a useless and irrelevant tournament, they were also singing and dancing around India's now lost and forgotten #1 ODI ranking. Their lies and insecurities have been exposed.

Pakistan doesn't need #1 ranked batmen, bowlers, or team, all they need is a bit of jazba (recall CT17 final). Though I will take top ranks too as it riles and rattles the haters.

Watch out WC teams, had Pakistan won the Asia Cup the they'd have been complacent, but now they will have something to prove.

The most dangerous side in ICC tournament history is about to enter the den.
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The most dangerous side in ICC tournament history is about to enter an ODI World Cup that they have only won once in 48 years.

TheyCannotPlayHim™
 
Rana said:
Lol

You are telling one of the smoothest players of the game.

The issues have always been there, but the denial of those issues became extremely apparent since Imran Khan’s regime took over. The all is good mantra (amidst disaster) was amplified under him
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And there was good stuff. Under IK we had some direction, where is the direction today. Sethi came and got humiliated by AZ, he appointed one of the Marx brothers, a guy that only has money laundering on his resume. Where is the direction, we couldn't even play SL at home in our tournament.
 
Mamoon said:
The most dangerous side in ICC tournament history is about to enter an ODI World Cup that they have only won once in 48 years.

TheyCannotPlayHim™
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They said the same for your India in 2011, it was 36 years.

Come back when you decide if you are a Bharti, Hindustani, or Indian.

#IdentityCrisisBleedBlue
 
Bewal Express said:
And there was good stuff. Under IK we had some direction, where is the direction today. Sethi came and got humiliated by AZ, he appointed one of the Marx brothers, a guy that only has money laundering on his resume. Where is the direction, we couldn't even play SL at home in our tournament.
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How can there be direction? Imran Khan’s regime created the issue with the empowerment of an incompetent captain and clique. The problem you see today was allowed to thrive under Saqlain+Ramiz
 
Rana said:
How can there be direction? Imran Khan’s regime created the issue with the empowerment of an incompetent captain and clique. The problem you see today was allowed to thrive under Saqlain+Ramiz
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Well sack them and appoint new ones. This is what you hide behind when you have no idea about what you are doing. Your crooks are in power, if they can destroy a country and its economy, getting rid of Babar shouldn't be a problem
 
Just remember, the enemies of Pakistan thought Pakistan cricket was finished in 2009.

Since then, Pakistan won the T20 WC, gained #1 Test ranking despite the 2010 fall out, whitewashed England in a 3 match test series, won the Asia Cup, Won the Champions trophy, runners up AGAIN in WT20, reach #1 is Tests, ODI, and T20, and Pakistan players reached #1 in the rankings. Pakistan is one of 4 teams to do the ICC triple. All post 2009.

I still remember how BCCI were confident enough to abolish the ICC CT tournament (which they have shared and won due to rain), but after the humiliation of 2017 CT final, when India was at its peak, when Kohli was at his peak, BCCI wanted another stab at the CT tournament.

Pakistan has no fear, we will play in your hood, on your terms, in your backyard, even though you brick it in ours.
 
Going by historical performance whenever Pakistan is written off is when they go way above and beyond the expectations. This time Babar's sluggish captaincy will remain a big problem for Pakistan and then our spinners are a big worry as they rarely deliver so time will tell. It sounds like a guarantee now whenever Pakistan gets the favorite tag is when they play like a lousy club team.

I believe Pakistan will gather it together and will have a good world cup. Inconsistency and Pakistani team will always be there, just like how Naseer perfectly described it "one minute down, next minute up"
 
Rana said:
How can there be direction? Imran Khan’s regime created the issue with the empowerment of an incompetent captain and clique. The problem you see today was allowed to thrive under Saqlain+Ramiz
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Precisely, it was him who appointed Misbah as CS and Head Coach. It was at this point I realised IK was a mere con artist.
 
Bewal Express said:
Well sack them and appoint new ones. This is what you hide behind when you have no idea about what you are doing. Your crooks are in power, if they can destroy a country and its economy, getting rid of Babar shouldn't be a problem
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Well at least you admit the previous regime has lead to this nonsense
 
topspin said:
Precisely, it was him who appointed Misbah as CS and Head Coach. It was at this point I realised IK was a mere con artist.
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But Mickey is back and this happened under Mickey. So the theory that Misbah or any one person is responsible for what is an institutional issue makes you look desperate to have a go at IK.
 
Kriketer said:
Going by historical performance whenever Pakistan is written off is when they go way above and beyond the expectations. This time Babar's sluggish captaincy will remain a big problem for Pakistan and then our spinners are a big worry as they rarely deliver so time will tell. It sounds like a guarantee now whenever Pakistan gets the favorite tag is when they play like a lousy club team.

I believe Pakistan will gather it together and will have a good world cup. Inconsistency and Pakistani team will always be there, just like how Naseer perfectly described it "one minute down, next minute up"
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It's an open tournament and anything can happen but this batting lineup gives me no confidence. If Babar doesn't turn up, we are going home very early
 
Kriketer said:
Haha good reminder of that shambolic suggestion. One way or another anti-IK brigade keep finding ways to drag him into discussion. They just don't learn how country has gone to total stooges and has become total banana republic after IK's unjust forceful departure
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He also claimed that Umar Gul was a better bat than Rizwan.
 
Bewal Express said:
Yes, if you criteria is an average of 16 or 17. we saw the tailender, play as a tailender. When you compared some one to Umar Gul the batsman, it should have been AA.
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Rizwan has one shot. So does Umar Gul. They are equally as tail.

Besides, I wouldn’t expect you to understand cricket is about playing for your team rather than your personal accomplishments. That’s what the old regime promotes, and you are a supporter of it.
 
Kriketer said:
Haha good reminder of that shambolic suggestion. One way or another anti-IK brigade keep finding ways to drag him into discussion. They just don't learn how country has gone to total stooges and has become total banana republic after IK's unjust forceful departure
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Asif Ali helped win his side the LPL whilst Babar’s failures as a player were on show. His side finished last. His side went on to finish last in the top four of the Asia cup as well.
 
Rana said:
Rizwan has one shot. So does Umar Gul. They are equally as tail.

Besides, I wouldn’t expect you to understand cricket is about playing for your team rather than your personal accomplishments. That’s what the old regime promotes, and you are a supporter of it.
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Yes they are equal. I too, have one shot and by your definition I am also better than Riz. 🤣🤣🤣
 
Rana said:
Asif Ali helped win his side the LPL whilst Babar’s failures as a player were on show. His side finished last. His side went on to finish last in the top four of the Asia cup as well.
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Not the LPL. This is next level, AA you star. BTW can you post the stats of the 2 in the tournament
 
Kriketer said:
Going by historical performance whenever Pakistan is written off is when they go way above and beyond the expectations. This time Babar's sluggish captaincy will remain a big problem for Pakistan and then our spinners are a big worry as they rarely deliver so time will tell. It sounds like a guarantee now whenever Pakistan gets the favorite tag is when they play like a lousy club team.

I believe Pakistan will gather it together and will have a good world cup. Inconsistency and Pakistani team will always be there, just like how Naseer perfectly described it "one minute down, next minute up"
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Nasser Hussain’s embarrassing cliches will not win Pakistan the World Cup.

Let’s not forget, it was Nasser Hussain who inflicted the They Cannot Play Him embarrassment on Pakistan.

Whatever Nasser says about Pakistan cricket should not be taken seriously. A usually excellent commentator turns into a cliche machine when it comes to Pakistan cricket.

It seems like his twerking and soundbites will be the only highlights for Pakistani fans in this World Cup.
 
I want them to stop being over friendly with the Indian players, it really is pathetic that they think they can suck up to them in the hope for a IPL contract.

Babar is failing to produce a high intensity dressing room.
 
Lack of cricket understanding begins and ends with the notion that if a player performs well in domestic and T20 leagues, then they well perform will at the international level.

Someone give Mark Ramprakash a nudge.

😂
 
Rana said:
Rizwan has one shot. So does Umar Gul. They are equally as tail.

Besides, I wouldn’t expect you to understand cricket is about playing for your team rather than your personal accomplishments. That’s what the old regime promotes, and you are a supporter of it.
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BTW I have forgotten more than you will ever know about cricket. Even your TV commies read my posts in spin bowlers.
 
Bewal Express said:
Not the LPL. This is next level, AA you star. BTW can you post the stats of the 2 in the tournament
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It’s pretty much Babar’s level of cricket considering the Hundred didn’t want him.

You play to win, not top the averages. AA is a team player. Try getting your head around this.
 
Rana said:
It’s pretty much Babar’s level of cricket considering the Hundred didn’t want him.

You play to win, not top the averages. AA is a team player. Try getting your head around this.
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Did the 100 want AA? As you want him as captain and think the World of him, why wasn't he selected 🤔
 
Technics 1210 said:
His favourite players and suggested players seem to be the ones caught in corruption/fixing. Sharjeel, Amir, Umar Akmal to name but a few.
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Have you tried throwing in your mix tapes at the Caribbean premier league? They can do with a Sasta DJ
 
Bewal Express said:
Did the 100 want AA? As you want him as captain and think the World of him, why wasn't he selected 🤔
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Because it doesn’t matter what rubbish is selected. Under Babar’s leadership and his mate Rizwan’s presence, we are forever cursed
 
Rana said:
Whatever that means mate
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People read my posts. What I say on here is read by pros. The analysis of Shadabs lack of spin was done by me and I even sent him a message to explain why he isnt spinning the ball. In Ind PK match one of the commies used the exact word I used about rolling out rather than spinning the ball. You on the other hand think that AA should be captain and Umar Gul is a better bat than Riz. Just brilliant
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
I want them to stop being over friendly with the Indian players, it really is pathetic that they think they can suck up to them in the hope for a IPL contract.

Babar is failing to produce a high intensity dressing room.
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Being friendly with them has nothing to do with anything. They won’t start dominating India just because they are being rude to the Indian players off the pitch.

Kohli has always been friendly with Pakistani players off the pitch yet he has single-handedly demolished Pakistan over a dozen times and will continue to do so.

Pakistan’s problem is that it doesn’t have the skill and mental level to compete with India in Test and ODI cricket. Luckily there is no Test cricket between the two.

For Pakistan’s sake, it should stop playing ODIs with India as well. 6 defeats and 1 win in last 7 matches tells a story.
 
Rana said:
History will repeat itself!!!

Just not sure which one
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Well I can tell you already that the following history will be repeated:

1. Pakistan will continue to lose to India in WCs
2. Babar will continue to fail against India
3. Kohli will continue to dominate Pakistan
4. Pakistani fans will continue to draw parallels with 1992. This happened, that happened, this is happening now too etc.
5. Nasser Hussain will continue his nonsense cliches. Expect more of the one minute down one minute up, they cannot play him etc. nonsense.
 
Rana said:
Read by pros?

Hahahahahahahahahaahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahhahaahahahahahahahahahhaahhahaahhahaahahhaahahahahahahahahahahgahaahahahahahhaahahahhaahhahahaahahhahahahaahahhaahhah
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Yes. I go to Matches, I talk to coaches, I know the game and FC players personally. Rewind to the point where I think Bhajji was talking about Shadabs bowling and look up my posts. Then look at the dates. He used my exact word roll out. It's not a common way to describe spinners but I used it here and he used the same word on tv to describe the same bowler.
 
Mamoon said:
Being friendly with them has nothing to do with anything. They won’t start dominating India just because they are being rude to the Indian players off the pitch.

Kohli has always been friendly with Pakistani players off the pitch yet he has single-handedly demolished Pakistan over a dozen times and will continue to do so.

Pakistan’s problem is that it doesn’t have the skill and mental level to compete with India in Test and ODI cricket. Luckily there is no Test cricket between the two.

For Pakistan’s sake, it should stop playing ODIs with India as well. 6 defeats and 1 win in last 7 matches tells a story.
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Yes folks, Kohli dominated Pakistan in a useless tournament like the Asia Cup (as per Mamoon's opinion), but when it mattered for the marbles in an ICC tournament final, Kohli was decevied twice in 2 consecutive balls.

Absolutely brilliant.

Zabardast.

😂😎🤣
 
Rana said:
I don’t know about hating PK but I guess your views are read by pros hahahahahahahahahaha
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Rana said:
What pros read your posts? The ones earning £1 per run and £10 per wicket in the Bradford Asian league


Hahahahahhaahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaha
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Current county players. I have worked with 2 of them and know 3 of them. One of the guys was on an Eng A your last year.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Yes folks, Kohli dominated Pakistan in a useless tournament like the Asia Cup (as per Mamoon's opinion), but when it mattered for the marbles in an ICC tournament final, Kohli was decevied twice in 2 consecutive balls.

Absolutely brilliant.

Zabardast.

😂😎🤣
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You are right. Kohli has been a failure against Pakistan throughout his career.

Asia Cup 2012
T20 World Cup 2012
T20 World Cup 2014
ODI World Cup 2015
T20 World Cup 2016
ODI World Cup 2019
T20 World Cup 2022
Asia Cup 2023

I stand corrected - Kohli has been a massive failure against Pakistan, and for Pakistan’s sake, I hope India can continue to produce batsmen like Kohli who cannot tame Pakistani bowlers.

A few more Virat Kohlis over the next few generations and Pakistani fans would sleep easy.
 
Mamoon said:
You are right. Kohli has been a failure against Pakistan throughout his career.

Asia Cup 2012
T20 World Cup 2012
T20 World Cup 2014
ODI World Cup 2015
T20 World Cup 2016
ODI World Cup 2019
T20 World Cup 2022
Asia Cup 2023

I stand corrected - Kohli has been a massive failure against Pakistan, and for Pakistan’s sake, I hope India can continue to produce batsmen like Kohli who cannot tame Pakistani bowlers.

A few more Virat Kohlis over the next few generations and Pakistani fans would sleep easy.
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Useless copied and pasted stats. None of them were ICC finals vs Pakistan, let alone ICC tournaments that India won.

Nord VPN slow today?
 
I love how Pakistan haters value the Asia Cup as more relevant and important than an ICC final now, pigeon holing galore, despite the same lot repeatedly stating the Asia Cup is an irrelevant tournament and meaningless.

The power of Pakistan!

#1 Ranked ODI team.

Let this sink in.
 
Bewal Express said:
But Mickey is back and this happened under Mickey. So the theory that Misbah or any one person is responsible for what is an institutional issue makes you look desperate to have a go at IK.
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No it doesn't and you've already acknowledged to me that IK is worthy of blame for Misbah's appointment so don't change your tune bc.

Mickey has just started his second stint as Pakistan coach. He's always had to come in to clean up Misbah's mess. First it was when he was captain and now after his presence as CS and Head Coach.

Mickey won the CT because he didn't let his players adopt the Misbah school of thought.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Pakistan back at #1 ODI rank despite India's win today!

Haters gonna complain about rankings now blah blah blah, but facts are facts, despite Pakistan's poor Asia Cup, Pakistan remains the #1 ODI team right now, and heading into the WC.
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Doesn’t mean anything frankly. So long as you are in the top 8, thats all that matters with respect to these ODI rankings
 
SM1989 said:
Doesn’t mean anything frankly. So long as you are in the top 8, thats all that matters with respect to these ODI rankings
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Yeah yeah, rankings do not mean a thing when Pakistan are top, but when india are top, rankings are a true reflection.
 
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