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Asians make up 80% of child groomers – study

Stop calling it Asian grooming gangs- these are Pakistani grooming gangs. Obviously not every Pakistani in the UK is a groomer/peddo and probably there is 10% from this list that isn’t Pakistani too but acknowledging this is fundamental step towards addressing the issue.
 
Local.Dada said:
Stop calling it Asian grooming gangs- these are Pakistani grooming gangs. Obviously not every Pakistani in the UK is a groomer/peddo and probably there is 10% from this list that isn’t Pakistani too but acknowledging this is fundamental step towards addressing the issue.
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So to a lesser extent Indian grooming gang too? Lets not break it down to North and South India please as some like to do.
 
IronShield said:
So to a lesser extent Indian grooming gang too? Lets not break it down to North and South India please as some like to do.
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No lesser extent, it’s a primary problem among Brit-Pakistani community. Now did any Indian or some other Non-Muslim Indians committed sex offenses etc in UK?, sure there might be but it is not an organized gang or an ideology like in this case so yes it is a Brit-Pakistani gang.

That’s all there is. You can twist it to whatever to make yourself feel better but that makes you come across as endorsing this heinous crime. The onus in on Brit-Pakistanis to clean this up. These are British-Pak grooming gangs. No other way to sugarcoat it (not sure if it is the right term in this context).
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
How do you measure introspection though? How would you present it to those "looking for justice".
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I'm not sure how we measure it. Perhaps as part of the enquiry we can hear from wives and family members of the perpetrators, they too are indirectly victims of this.
 
Local.Dada said:
No lesser extent, it’s a primary problem among Brit-Pakistani community. Now did any Indian or some other Non-Muslim Indians committed sex offenses etc in UK?, sure there might be but it is not an organized gang or an ideology like in this case so yes it is a Brit-Pakistani gang.

That’s all there is. You can twist it to whatever to make yourself feel better but that makes you come across as endorsing this heinous crime. The onus in on Brit-Pakistanis to clean this up. These are British-Pak grooming gangs. No other way to sugarcoat it (not sure if it is the right term in this context).
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No it isn't. Not any more than the onus is on the general white population to clean up white grooming gangs. As I already said, if self policing was the answer, we wouldn't need any jails.
 
Local.Dada said:
No lesser extent, it’s a primary problem among Brit-Pakistani community. Now did any Indian or some other Non-Muslim Indians committed sex offenses etc in UK?, sure there might be but it is not an organized gang or an ideology like in this case so yes it is a Brit-Pakistani gang.

That’s all there is. You can twist it to whatever to make yourself feel better but that makes you come across as endorsing this heinous crime. The onus in on Brit-Pakistanis to clean this up. These are British-Pak grooming gangs. No other way to sugarcoat it (not sure if it is the right term in this context).
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It's the job of the police and CPS. Not everyone else. Ofcourse there has to be internal introspection in the community of the locality where these individuals are from as to the root causes. You know as well as I do, that these individuals would have been up in arms if the victims were any female members of their family. We need to dig deeper into how they could rationalise these beastly acts and then going home to live a normal lives with their wives, mothers, daughters and sisters. Once we workout the thought process, we can then start the process to work against that mindset.

Yes there are Indians in these gangs too.
 
IronShield said:
It's the job of the police and CPS. Not everyone else. Ofcourse there has to be internal introspection in the community of the locality where these individuals are from as to the root causes. You know as well as I do, that these individuals would have been up in arms if the victims were any female members of their family. We need to dig deeper into how they could rationalise these beastly acts and then going home to live a normal lives with their wives, mothers, daughters and sisters. Once we workout the thought process, we can then start the process to work against that mindset.

Yes there are Indians in these gangs too.
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The introspection angle troubles me somewhat. Every community should have some form of introspection, this is what keeps a community healthy. But that is for that community to organise for it's own prosperity and to be part of a healthy society. If the motivation for it is merely finger pointing, then it achieves nothing.

This is why I have asked this question a few times - what is the outcome you wish to see from this finger pointing to a few of those shouting loudest, but then there is no response.
 
It's going on for 50 years. It's the issue of a tight-knit community wanting to protects cousins, husband, fathers, uncles, brothers....

Problem like this happens in other places as well, but it does not go on for decades in such a large scale. People will pick up the phone and report.

On top of that useless cops and officals not wanting to take actions due to appearance of racism, all of them should be named, shamed and fired. I have teenage niece and imagining .... I am surprised that no one shot these child rapists.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
No it isn't. Not any more than the onus is on the general white population to clean up white grooming gangs. As I already said, if self policing was the answer, we wouldn't need any jails.
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How do you suggest the “white population” to clean this up when the brown Pakistani immigrant Pakistani is not acknowledging this as a community issue? You want them to profile every brown guy? Don’t think me or any law abiding brown guy (Indian or Pakistani) would want that.
 
Local.Dada said:
How do you suggest the “white population” to clean this up when the brown Pakistani immigrant Pakistani is not acknowledging this as a community issue? You want them to profile every brown guy? Don’t think me or any law abiding brown guy (Indian or Pakistani) would want that.
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Not sure what you are saying here. Why would there be different standards for brown or white communities? Are you saying it's an immigrant issue? Because that's not how it's being reported, all we are hearing is ethnically Pakistani.

I am just trying to get to a satisfactory outcome. All I've heard so far is introspection which seems a bit airy fairy to me. If self policing was the answer then I'm sure white people would have put their hands up and accepted responsibility for Epstein's island of debauchery which involved Prince Andrew, Clinton, and allegedly Trump himself.
 
Romali_rotti said:
I don't think anyone said Jeets are the perfect ppl here Abdoool.

The issue is, the grooming gang thing is dominated by Pakistanis, don't cry about it and deflect it to the Indians or others, do what is needed to fix the problem.. Why are Pakistanis so deeply involved in Grooming Gangs for decades ?
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What is your theory on this? I'm assuming you must have one.
 
IronShield said:
He has no point, this brother from the land that was once ancient kingdom of chutiya is just happy to point out negative publicity of Pakistanis.
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LOL, trying to save yourself from embarrassment? Understandable. Too bad you can't deflect to BJP, Modi, RSS, and Hindutva here.​
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
My belief is that it is Hindu culture to blame. We have seen India is a hotbed of rape, I believe there is a correlation.
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I see, but you seen the light though, as a convert you are no longer a Hindu and it is against Islam to have Hindu traits.

Yet you still involved in grooming gangs, so what's the deal here ?
 
Romali_rotti said:
I see, but you seen the light though, as a convert you are no longer a Hindu and it is against Islam to have Hindu traits.

Yet you still involved in grooming gangs, so what's the deal here ?
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Pakistanis are not considered good Muslims as compared to other Muslim nations. They will take bribes, the country is rife with corruption (similar to India) and we have already seen these perps ply their victims with alcohol which is haram in Islam. So clearly these guys are Muslim in name but they still carry their Hindu traits along with their caste biraderi with pride.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Pakistanis are not considered good Muslims as compared to other Muslim nations. They will take bribes, the country is rife with corruption (similar to India) and we have already seen these perps ply their victims with alcohol which is haram in Islam. So clearly these guys are Muslim in name but they still carry their Hindu traits along with their caste biraderi with pride.
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So no 72 beautiful ladies for you lot after death ?
 
Josh said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1935021957013188978
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Yes by all means look for high quality immigrants if you can attract them. But when the UK was bringing them in from India and Pakistan following partition they needed them to work in their factories so the bar was not so high. This is history revisionism. It's like saying there would be no crime in the USA if blacks weren't brought over from Africa to work their plantations.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Yes by all means look for high quality immigrants if you can attract them. But when the UK was bringing them in from India and Pakistan following partition they needed them to work in their factories so the bar was not so high. This is history revisionism. It's like saying there would be no crime in the USA if blacks weren't brought over from Africa to work their plantations.
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You are confusing individual crime with ideologically organized crime.

if some Indians or Pakistanis are working for some foreign mafia say the Russian or Italian Mafia ,it doesn’t change the fact that it is still Russian or whatever origin of the mafia is.

Dawood hides in Karachi, he has international connections and hired folks from Malaysia to Europe to Canada. However he is still “Indian Mafia” and Indian Don/gangster. That’s about it unfortunately.

Similarly the grooming gangs are Pakistani in origin, nothing can change that. South Asians have nothing to do with this.
 
Rape is under reported in India, low conviction rates etc but we can see from the high profile cases usually involving tourists that it is pretty normalised.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Which Sikhs went to jail for protesting that their daughters were getting raped?
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Sher-e-panjab ?.. btw there have been skirmishes in Birmingham even in recent years with exactly the same allegations...I find them spurious but there we are

sikhs are actively driving a chasm to distance themselves as 'Aaian' yet the ringleader in Birmingham was a khalsa sikh
 
SpiritOf1903 said:
Sher-e-panjab ?.. btw there have been skirmishes in Birmingham even in recent years with exactly the same allegations...I find them spurious but there we are

sikhs are actively driving a chasm to distance themselves as 'Aaian' yet the ringleader in Birmingham was a khalsa sikh
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Which ringleader?
 
Local.Dada said:
You are confusing individual crime with ideologically organized crime.

if some Indians or Pakistanis are working for some foreign mafia say the Russian or Italian Mafia ,it doesn’t change the fact that it is still Russian or whatever origin of the mafia is.

Dawood hides in Karachi, he has international connections and hired folks from Malaysia to Europe to Canada. However he is still “Indian Mafia” and Indian Don/gangster. That’s about it unfortunately.

Similarly the grooming gangs are Pakistani in origin, nothing can change that. South Asians have nothing to do with this.
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That's not actually true. The grooming gangs with high populations of Pakistanis are Pakistani in origin. Not the ones in areas where there are virtually no Pakistanis. These stats are being selectively portrayed to produce a skewed picture.

But regardless, onto your other point, even if we just look at the Pakistani angle. What conclusion do you draw about the ideological reasons behind it?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
But regardless, onto your other point, even if we just look at the Pakistani angle. What conclusion do you draw about the ideological reasons behind it?
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Well should I explicitly break it down to you what the “ideology” behind this is? Now let me clarify this, I am mature enough not to attach it to every Pakistani but you are just clutching at straws here.

Even during the recent Ind-Pak skirmish, there were some senior Pak journalists who were talking garbage like how they will make Indian actresses war-booty etc. so yeah this stems from there and it is a Pakistani problem. Not even a Muslim problem because don’t see Indian Muslims involved in this, maybe 1-2 token other nationalities but these are “Pakistani grooming gangs” and rest of Asia or for the matter of fact other Muslims have nothing to do with this.

As simple and crystal clear as that. As I said obviously people have enough maturity to think not every British-Pakistani is involved in this. You seem to be finding it tough and difficult to come to grips with reality.
 
Local.Dada said:
Well should I explicitly break it down to you what the “ideology” behind this is? Now let me clarify this, I am mature enough not to attach it to every Pakistani but you are just clutching at straws here.

Even during the recent Ind-Pak skirmish, there were some senior Pak journalists who were talking garbage like how they will make Indian actresses war-booty etc. so yeah this stems from there and it is a Pakistani problem. Not even a Muslim problem because don’t see Indian Muslims involved in this, maybe 1-2 token other nationalities but these are “Pakistani grooming gangs” and rest of Asia or for the matter of fact other Muslims have nothing to do with this.

As simple and crystal clear as that. As I said obviously people have enough maturity to think not every British-Pakistani is involved in this. You seem to be finding it tough and difficult to come to grips with reality.
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That's a lot of words to say nothing actually. You mentioned ideological reasons, so when I asked what the ideological reasons were, your reply was "Pakistani". Pakistan is just a nation not an ideology. Now do you want to dig a bit deeper for underlying reasons? I'm guessing you are ruling the Islam angle out as you yourself have said it's a Pakistan thing and not applicable across the Muslim world.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
That's a lot of words to say nothing actually. You mentioned ideological reasons, so when I asked what the ideological reasons were, your reply was "Pakistani". Pakistan is just a nation not an ideology. Now do you want to dig a bit deeper for underlying reasons? I'm guessing you are ruling the Islam angle out as you yourself have said it's a Pakistan thing and not applicable across the Muslim world.
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Not sure what you are finding tough to understand here, simple these are Pakistani grooming gangs. Not , brown people, Muslim, Eurasian, Asian or whatever grooming gangs you want to call it.

Just like Italian or Russian Mafia aren’t exactly Roman-catholic mafia, European mafia, white people mafia etc.

You seem to be finding it difficult to come to terms with that but it is what it is. Nothing is going to change that fact that these are Pakistani grooming gangs. Simple. It’s Pakistanis organizing and running these gangs , probably misinterpreting religion (you probably know better here) and recruiting other like minded trash but primarily it’s a Pakistani enterprise (if you want to call it that). You can try nitpicking, twisting my words and prolonging this topic to try and win an online argument but it won’t change the fact.
 
Local.Dada said:
Not sure what you are finding tough to understand here, simple these are Pakistani grooming gangs. Not , brown people, Muslim, Eurasian, Asian or whatever grooming gangs you want to call it.

Just like Italian or Russian Mafia aren’t exactly Roman-catholic mafia, European mafia, white people mafia etc.

You seem to be finding it difficult to come to terms with that but it is what it is. Nothing is going to change that fact that these are Pakistani grooming gangs. Simple. It’s Pakistanis organizing and running these gangs , probably misinterpreting religion (you probably know better here) and recruiting other like minded trash but primarily it’s a Pakistani enterprise (if you want to call it that). You can try nitpicking, twisting my words and prolonging this topic to try and win an online argument but it won’t change the fact.
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So the upshot of your waffle is "they are Pakistani". What is it you want to do with that information? How would you use it to address these crimes? Or is addressing them not important?
 
www.lbc.co.uk

Rochdale grooming gang leaders could be deported under 'deal' with Pakistan after UK lifts ban on direct flights

Two ringleaders of the Rochdale grooming gang scandal could soon be deported as part of a 'deal' with Pakistan after the UK lifted a ban on direct flights to the south Asian country.
www.lbc.co.uk www.lbc.co.uk

Khan, who fathered the child of a 13-year-old grooming victim, was jailed for eight years. Rauf was jailed for six years. They are both still living in Rochdale.

Their deportation is currently blocked by Pakistan because the men renounced their citizenship and tore up their passports, leaving them 'stateless'.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
How did he get converted? I heard he was a diehard hindutva but got molested by Sadghuru at a Dehli retreat.
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He got converted by Zakir Naik Cap.

Asked Zakir a Question.

Zakir: Brother asked an interesting question if I answer your question will you convert to Islam.

Rest is history..

😉
 
rpant_gabba said:
www.lbc.co.uk

Rochdale grooming gang leaders could be deported under 'deal' with Pakistan after UK lifts ban on direct flights

Two ringleaders of the Rochdale grooming gang scandal could soon be deported as part of a 'deal' with Pakistan after the UK lifted a ban on direct flights to the south Asian country.
www.lbc.co.uk www.lbc.co.uk

Khan, who fathered the child of a 13-year-old grooming victim, was jailed for eight years. Rauf was jailed for six years. They are both still living in Rochdale.

Their deportation is currently blocked by Pakistan because the men renounced their citizenship and tore up their passports, leaving them 'stateless'.
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Weren't the Rochdale grooming gang leaders .. british citizens ? How can they deport citizens to another country ?
 
Romali_rotti said:
He got converted by Zakir Naik Cap.

Asked Zakir a Question.

Zakir: Brother asked an interesting question if I answer your question will you convert to Islam.

Rest is history..

😉
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I wouldn't be surprised.
Zakir Naik's conversion powers are hypnotic and very persuasive, such is the depth of his deeply intellectual answers. :inzi2
 
RexRex said:
I wouldn't be surprised.
Zakir Naik's conversion powers are hypnotic and very persuasive, such is the depth of his deeply intellectual answers. :inzi2
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Why have you guys ignored the Grooming gang of the white guys led by Trump and Epstein. All the guys that promoted the hate of Muslims are caught in the scandal.
 
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Bewal Express said:
Why have you guys ignored the Grooming gang of the white guys led by Trump and Epstein. All the guys that promoted the hate of Muslims are caught in the scandal.
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I thought Pakistan nominated Trump for peace prize. You should be asking this question to your govt no?
 
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Bewal Express said:
Why have you guys ignored the Grooming gang of the white guys led by Trump and Epstein. All the guys that promoted the hate of Muslims are caught in the scandal. .
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Huh ?

All I was doing was expressing admiration for Zakir Naik, not sure why you're throwing your saucepans at me :unsure:
 
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RexRex said:
I wouldn't be surprised.
Zakir Naik's conversion powers are hypnotic and very persuasive, such is the depth of his deeply intellectual answers. :inzi2
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If the speaker questions Zakir on his answer he will be reply back with:


But but brathaaarrrr I am a Medikaaaal dooktaarrr

🤡
 
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