Australia dominance against NZ, a concern for Pakistan?

[Bilal7]

Not in the UAE.

Well I am sure even you'll agree here. Tour of Australia is the toughest in cricket, and we have been very poor there in the last 15 years.

They have taxes, they just don't refer to them as taxes.

It is very difficult, without a doubt. However, I can see Pakistan putting up a good fight this time around seeing how we have a settled batting unit and some match-winners in the bowling department. A whitewash is certainly not inevitable and the tour is not a "foregone conclusion" either.

 

[giri26]

The biggest problem for Pakistan team is not Australia's batting but it is their bowling. Australia might not score 500's or 600's against Pakistan bowling as it has variety unlike NZ but will Pakistan batsmen be able to score runs against Aussie bowling?

The Aussies will be playing Starc, Hazelwood, Johnson and Lyon. If Pakistan batting can master their bowling then they would be able to challenge the Aussies as their bowling is good enough to take 20 wickets.

 

[ChachaCricket]

The biggest problem for Pakistan team is not Australia's batting but it is their bowling. Australia might not score 500's or 600's against Pakistan bowling as it has variety unlike but will Pakistan batsmen be able to score runs against Aussie bowling?

The Aussies will be playing Starc, Hazelwood, Johnson and Lyon. If Pakistan batting can master their bowling then they would be able to challenge the Aussies as their bowling is good enough to take 20 wickets.

That's always been the case. We've managed to take 20 wickets nearly every tour but our batting's flopped every time.

 

[Energetic]

Beating Australia at their turf is a very tall order. New Zealand struggled because they don't have those express pacers and quality spinners. New Zealand batting was okay but could've done a bit better. There was just no way Australian batsman would struggle against Southee and Boult because they always face such bowlers back in their domestic scene. Pakistan bowling will be fine in Australia especially when you have Yasir Shah, but the batsman will most likely struggle there. I think Pakistan will do better than what New Zealand have done in tests. The only team that has won in Australia in last 5 years was England – Maybe visiting teams can look back at that. An Asian team winning a test series in Australia is better than winning the World Cup.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Lillee and Marshall did not play in an era of big bats,flat pitches and limited bouncers etc. I think Junaids is right. You need 6'5" fast bowlers like Broad/Starc/hazlewood to have a bit of success on these decks.

 

[Bilal7]

The biggest problem for Pakistan team is not Australia's batting but it is their bowling. Australia might not score 500's or 600's against Pakistan bowling as it has variety unlike but will Pakistan batsmen be able to score runs against Aussie bowling?

The Aussies will be playing Starc, Hazelwood, Johnson and Lyon. If Pakistan batting can master their bowling then they would be able to challenge the Aussies as their bowling is good enough to take 20 wickets.

Don't you think the Pakistani lineup can score at least 300-350 regularly, on these flat tracks?

 

[Bilal7]

Beating Australia at their turf is a very tall order. New Zealand struggled because they don't have those express pacers and quality spinners. New Zealand batting was okay but could've done a bit better. There was just no way Australian batsman would struggle against Southee and Boult because they always face such bowlers back in their domestic scene. Pakistan bowling will be fine in Australia especially when you have Yasir Shah, but the batsman will most likely struggle there. I think Pakistan will do better than what New Zealand have done in tests. The only team that has won in Australia in last 5 years was England – Maybe visiting teams can look back at that. An Asian team winning a test series in Australia is better than winning the World Cup.

South Africa have won twice, I believe. Most recently in 2012, when they won an epic decider in Perth.

 

[Convict]

Don't you think the Pakistani lineup can score at least 300-350 regularly, on these flat tracks?

They may be flat but they still have bounce

 

[ChachaCricket]

They may be flat but they still have bounce

What grounds are we playing on?

 

[Convict]

What grounds are we playing on?

Not decided.

To be perfectly honest given the Saffers are the other team probably Hobart-Melbourne-Sydney with Hobart as the Day/Night game.

Which is actually a pretty good schedule for you guys

 

[ChachaCricket]

Not decided.

To be perfectly honest given the Saffers are the other team probably Hobart-Melbourne-Sydney with Hobart as the Day/Night game.

Which is actually a pretty good schedule for you guys

Hobart could backfire if our batsmen miraculously put 300+ on board.

Melbourne and Sydney play right into our hands as well with spin and reverse.

Couldn't ask for anything better though I would've liked to see Riaz bowl at the Gabba/WACA.

 

[Junaids]

Hobart could backfire if our batsmen miraculously put 300+ on board.

Melbourne and Sydney play right into our hands as well with spin and reverse.

Couldn't ask for anything better though I would've liked to see Riaz bowl at the Gabba/WACA.

Your batters would have been slaughtered at the WACA and Gabba.

As it is, your quicks and Yasir should do fine.

And your batsmen have a chance with the less exaggerated bounce and speed at those venues - it will be like Cape Town 2013. Where, as always outside Asia, Hafeez and Misbah's technical faults lost the Test, with lots of help from Jamshed, while Shafiq, Younis and Azhar scored runs.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Your batters would have been slaughtered at the WACA and Gabba.

As it is, your quicks and Yasir should do fine.

And your batsmen have a chance with the less exaggerated bounce and speed at those venues - it will be like Cape Town 2013. Where, as always outside Asia, Hafeez and Misbah's technical faults lost the Test, with lots of help from Jamshed, while Shafiq, Younis and Azhar scored runs.

I'm aware. Just wanted to see Riaz bowl there.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Btw [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], in your next Pakistan thread, advocate for Majid Ali as the third seamer. He is 6'2-4 and gets the ball through.

 

[tigersfan1990]

Australia are so dominant at home. The games are boring. That said Pakistan don't win in Australia anyway, so what difference does Australia's current form make? India had a golden era where they won a test or 2, but otherwise all the Asian sides just get thrashed down under.

 

[Junaids]

Btw [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], in your next Pakistan thread, advocate for Majid Ali as the third seamer. He is 6'2-4 and gets the ball through.

That's what you need, although I've never seen him. Can he bat a bit?

 

[ChachaCricket]

That's what you need, although I've never seen him. Can he bat a bit?

Haven't seen him bat.

 

[IndianWillow]

Lillee and Marshall did not play in an era of big bats,flat pitches and limited bouncers etc. I think Junaids is right. You need 6'5" fast bowlers like Broad/Starc/hazlewood to have a bit of success on these decks.

As NZ showed today, it is not all about height. If you are tall then you can afford to be a bit wayward on these wickets, but if you are short the room for error is small. If you don't spray and bowl accurately you will be rewarded. This was the case with Marshall, Lillee,Hadlee, Kapil etc.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

I am not worried about our bowling being able to get them out . I think we are capable of bowling out Aus in Aus for under 300 but I dont see us crossing 250 many times so will get hammered.

Sent from my SM-G925I

 

[Pantani]

I don't think so, Pakistan have plenty of pace, and the spin option Yasir is a lot better than NZ's spin option. Australia shouldn't rack up massive scores as easily and as quickly as they do against trundler attacks.

The batting, as always, will be a problem though.

 

[dashing_man]

Australia are dominating a no.5 ranked side. Why would it be a concern for a no.2 ranked side

 

[zabalestmsm]

I still think this Australian team's batting line up is very vulnerable. And their bowling is not great. They are just riding sky high on confidence due to which they are performing insanely.

The only to way to stop them is to talk to them in their own language i.e. confidence and aggression.

Our players must be backed. Our players always suffer from some sort of inferiority complex/mental block against Australians and South Africans especially at their home. Also because of this our players' confidence is dented big time.

 

[Aman]

Canberra could be in line for Test debut with seventh game in 2016-17 summer

If there are seven Test matches next summer – as proposed under the Future Tours Program – surely Canberra deserves to have one of them?

Cricket's ultimate game of strategy, survival and strength is the last piece of the puzzle the national capital needs to have ticked off every box.

Under the Future Tours Program, South Africa are set to play four Tests in Australia in late 2016 followed by a three Test series with Pakistan.

There is the possibility one of the current Test match venues in Australia would host two Tests instead of bringing the seventh Test to Canberra.

With Pakistan set to play on Boxing Day and at the SCG for the New Year's Test, you could assume CA would like to see at least one of the Tests against South Africa – a massive money-spinner of a series – to be at either Sydney or Melbourne.

A spokesperson for the ACT Government said a Test match wasn't an immediate consideration after securing a four-year deal to play a one-day international at Manuka Oval until 2019.

That is a different attitude to the one ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr adopted late last year when he said Canberra would make a big play at a Test match if a seventh Test was up for grabs.

"Clearly the ultimate goal is a Test match in Canberra, that requires a summer that has seven Test matches,'' Barr said. "I'm told there is a future tour calendar that has a four and three Test match program. In a seven Test summer, we would be in the box seat for that content."

The Manuka Oval pitch came in for criticism during the recent CA XI v New Zealand tour match, when only four wickets fell across the two days.

Former Test batsman Mark Waugh said Canberra had the facilities capable of hosting a Test match.

"I think it's good enough," Waugh said. "They've had first-class and international games here in the past and the pitch has been fine. Maybe if the pitch was too flat here last time, they can spice it up a bit. This venue is excellent, it's a great ground and great surface.

"The lights are great for day/night cricket and the crowds are normally good, so it's got all the ingredients as a top-class cricket venue."

The past three years have seen a rapid growth in the amount of quality cricket played at Manuka Oval. It started with the inaugural visit of the Australian team for a one-day international in Canberra's Centenary in 2013.

There was also a sold-crowd crowd to see the Big Bash League final earlier this year and three games of the Cricket World Cup.
But when talk of bringing a Test match to Canberra is brought up, all you hear is silence on the other end.

There are concerns about crowds over five days and whether the batsman-friendly pitch would deliver an entertaining contest.
Cricket ACT chief executive Cameron French said his organisation would throw its hat in the ring if there was a seventh Test.
"Cricket Australia are still working through what the Test schedule for next year is," French said. "Obviously, if there is a seventh Test in the summer, we would love to have it in Canberra."

A Cricket Australia spokesperson said the cricket boards of South Africa and Pakistan had yet to sign off on a memorandum of understanding for the Test series to go ahead.

"We're in the very early stages of working through our 2016-17 home schedule," the spokesperson said. "At this point, we aren't in a position to comment on specific details."

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...th-game-in-201617-summer-20151114-gkz0mf.html

 

[Sachin136]

Australia are dominating a no.5 ranked side. Why would it be a concern for a no.2 ranked side

There is a 7 point difference between Pakistan and New Zealand, which is very little. In a couple of days Pakistan will be 4th. Will you be worried then?

 

[dashing_man]

There is a 7 point difference between Pakistan and New Zealand, which is very little. In a couple of days Pakistan will be 4th. Will you be worried then?

why would I be worried ?

 

[Sachin136]

why would I be worried ?

I should have said "concerned" since that's what you used.

 

[dashing_man]

I should have said "concerned" since that's what you used.

yes and I said concern for the team. I'm not playing in the team

 

[Sachin136]

yes and I said concern for the team. I'm not playing in the team

I'm sorry, I thought that fans of a team would also worry (and not just the players themselves).

 

[dashing_man]

I'm sorry, I thought that fans of a team would also worry (and not just the players themselves).

naah fans worry for wrong things that aren't even relevant like Hair style, Twitter pics, choice of belts etc

 

[giri26]

Don't you think the Pakistani lineup can score at least 300-350 regularly, on these flat tracks?

They can but will they is the question. They would rely heavily on Younis Khan and Misbah in Australia. Mitchell Johnson and Stark will bowl lots of short stuff to Pakistani batsman and Hazelwood will bore you with his line and length. Pakistan haven't played outside of UAE in tests for a long time. It might prove costly to them when they play on those wickets. Those wickets may be flat but will have good bounce for the fast men.

 

[saeed5646]

bump..!!!!

looks like a nightmare is waiting for pakistan

 

[Napa]

bump..!!!!

looks like a nightmare is waiting for pakistan

It's not just NZ that Australia beat up at home. Before that it was India, with a SA aberration in the middle. Even SA they beat after getting new players into the side, and that is the side which Pakistan will be facing.

 

[saeed5646]

It's not just NZ that Australia beat up at home. Before that it was India, with a SA aberration in the middle. Even SA they beat after getting new players into the side, and that is the side which Pakistan will be facing.

adding to that Mickey won,t like every single defeat to aus and he may come hard on pak players due to his

controversial tenure as a aus coach and desperate to beat the aus on any way possible