Australia strong at home in Test series - the myth (2011-2021)

[Amjid Javed]

Whilst in the past Australia has been a tough place to win test series. Some indian fans raving on about how its most difficult place for touring teams to win in recent times.

2011-2021

Australia 18 Home series

Won 11 drawn 2 lost 5 (61% home series wins)

NZ 21 home series

Won 15 drawn 2 lost 4 (71% home series wins)

England 21 home series

Wins 14 drawn drawn 5 lost 2 (67 % home series wins)

Both NZ and england are tougher places to win then Australia in last 10 years.

5 series losses since 2011 at home is not fortress. England havent lost at home since 2014 in a test series so is a much more diffcult place to win a series then Australia at moment.

 

[szrana007]

Whilst in the past Australia has been a tough place to win test series. Some indian fans raving on about how its most difficult place for touring teams to win in recent times.

2011-2021

Australia 18 Home series

Won 11 drawn 2 lost 5 (61% home series wins)

NZ 21 home series

Won 15 drawn 2 lost 4 (71% home series wins)

England 21 home series

Wins 14 drawn drawn 5 lost 2 (67 % home series wins)

Both NZ and england are tougher places to win then Australia in last 10 years.

5 series losses since 2011 at home is not fortress. England havent lost at home since 2014 in a test series so is a much more diffcult place to win a series then Australia at moment.

Australia have drawn only 1 series at home since 2011 and that was against NZL, so your Australia stats are wrong.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Australia have drawn only 1 series at home since 2011 and that was against NZL, so your Australia stats are wrong.

Still 5 series home losses in 10 years compared to 4 for NZ and 2 for england.

 

[szrana007]

Whilst in the past Australia has been a tough place to win test series. Some indian fans raving on about how its most difficult place for touring teams to win in recent times.

2011-2021

Australia 18 Home series

Won 11 drawn 2 lost 5 (61% home series wins)

NZ 21 home series

Won 15 drawn 2 lost 4 (71% home series wins)

England 21 home series

Wins 14 drawn drawn 5 lost 2 (67 % home series wins)

Both NZ and england are tougher places to win then Australia in last 10 years.

5 series losses since 2011 at home is not fortress. England havent lost at home since 2014 in a test series so is a much more diffcult place to win a series then Australia at moment.

England too have played 20 home series since 2011, not 21, so your England stats are wrong too.

 

[Manunited18]

Whilst in the past Australia has been a tough place to win test series. Some indian fans raving on about how its most difficult place for touring teams to win in recent times.

2011-2021

Australia 18 Home series

Won 11 drawn 2 lost 5 (61% home series wins)

NZ 21 home series

Won 15 drawn 2 lost 4 (71% home series wins)

England 21 home series

Wins 14 drawn drawn 5 lost 2 (67 % home series wins)

Both NZ and england are tougher places to win then Australia in last 10 years.

5 series losses since 2011 at home is not fortress. England havent lost at home since 2014 in a test series so is a much more diffcult place to win a series then Australia at moment.

Definitely agree regarding England a tougher place to win than Australia in the last decade.

 

[MHN1293]

Even of you date back to 2018 before india beat aus. Austrailia had only a 64 percent win rate at home from 2011 to 2018.

 

[Devadwal]

First correct stats then we can discuss .

 

[Amjid Javed]

Even with Adjustments

Aussies (17) - Won 11 drawn 1 lost 5
England (20) - won 14 drawn 4 lost 2
New zealand (20) - 15 drawn 1 lost 4

Aussies have worse record than eng and NZ.

 

[Amjid Javed]

First correct stats then we can discuss .

They have been corrected in my post after yours.

 

[Buffet]

Not losing a test series at home is not really domination.

Aus has pretty much brushed aside all teams except SA and Ind in recent years.

Aus has played 31 tests against Pakistan, Eng, NZ, WI, and SL at home in the last 10 years. They won 27 tests out of 31 at home.


Aus W/L against Pakistan/Eng/NZ/SL/WI at home in the 10 years: 27

That's the reason they are called dominant at home. Most teams have struggled to even draw a single test in Aus. SA has one of the best teams in history and used to playing on bouncy tracks. This India team is one the best teams in their history as well and plays very well on bouncy tracks. Only these two teams have done well in Aus and rest of them it has been I showed up too.


Not losing a series at home is not a benchmark for domination if you draw plenty of tests and lose plenty of tests at home.


To put it in perspective,

Eng has W/L of 2 at home despite not losing many series
Aus has W/L of 4 at home despite losing the series against SA/Ind

 

[MHN1293]

Pak from 2011 have only lost two test series at home.

 

[Devadwal]

If Australia is so easy place to win then why Pakistan not even draw a single test just forget about win .

 

[Manunited18]

Not losing a test series at home is not really domination.

Aus has pretty much brushed aside all teams except SA and Ind in recent years.

Aus has played 31 tests against Pakistan, Eng, NZ, WI, and SL at home in the last 10 years. They won 27 tests out of 31 at home.


Aus W/L against Pakistan/Eng/NZ/SL/WI at home in the 10 years: 27

That's the reason they are called dominant at home. Most teams have struggled to even draw a single test in Aus. SA has one of the best teams in history and used to playing on bouncy tracks. This India team is one the best teams in their history as well and plays very well on bouncy tracks. Only these two teams have done well in Aus and rest of them it has been I showed up too.


Not losing a series at home is not a benchmark for domination if you draw plenty of tests and lose plenty of tests at home.


To put it in perspective,

Eng has W/L of 2 at home despite not losing many series
Aus has W/L of 4 at home despite losing the series against SA/Ind

Regarding England, alot of the draws in England can be related to the weather, we can get 3 seasons in a day in every given month of the year.

 

[MHN1293]

If Australia is so easy place to win then why Pakistan not even draw a single test just forget about win .

Who said its easy. Its just that according to the stats england and nz have been generally thougher to win a series in.

 

[szrana007]

Pak from 2011 have only lost two test series at home.

Pak since losing to SA at home in 2007 have lost only 2 "home" series and thats ofcourse if you count UAE as home.

 

[Manunited18]

For me if England beat India this summer and beat Australia this winter then in my opnion England will rightfully be regarded as the best Test team in the world.

 

[Buffet]

Domination is not about just not losing. It's also about winning every single test you play.

Here is W/L for all teams at home in the last 10 years. W/L of 4-5 looks pretty dominant to me.
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Aus is surely not as dominant as in 00s, but pretty dominant with W/L of 4-5. Think of this way, Aus has W/L of 4-5 despite losing against SA and Ind. They have to be super dominant against everyone else.

 

[szrana007]

Not losing a test series at home is not really domination.

Aus has pretty much brushed aside all teams except SA and Ind in recent years.

Aus has played 31 tests against Pakistan, Eng, NZ, WI, and SL at home in the last 10 years. They won 27 tests out of 31 at home.


Aus W/L against Pakistan/Eng/NZ/SL/WI at home in the 10 years: 27

That's the reason they are called dominant at home. Most teams have struggled to even draw a single test in Aus. SA has one of the best teams in history and used to playing on bouncy tracks. This India team is one the best teams in their history as well and plays very well on bouncy tracks. Only these two teams have done well in Aus and rest of them it has been I showed up too.


Not losing a series at home is not a benchmark for domination if you draw plenty of tests and lose plenty of tests at home.


To put it in perspective,

Eng has W/L of 2 at home despite not losing many series
Aus has W/L of 4 at home despite losing the series against SA/Ind

Yeah good post, England drop alot of tests at home, even if they win series. Winning a series in England has been tougher than winning a series Australia in last 20 years.

England have lost 5 out of 40 home series in last 20 years

Australia have lost 6 out of 36 home series in last 20 years.

But still Australia's home W/L ratio is much better than England's home W/L ratio in last 20 years.

 

[Buffet]

Regarding England, alot of the draws in England can be related to the weather, we can get 3 seasons in a day in every given month of the year.

There could be some test drawn due to rain, but that should hardly change W/L by much if Eng is losing 1 test when it wins 2 on average over a long period.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If Australia is so easy place to win then why Pakistan not even draw a single test just forget about win .

Same reason why india have struggled in NZ and eng. Players cant handle the conditions.

 

[Buffet]

Yeah good post, England drop alot of tests at home, even if they win series. Winning a series in England has been tougher than winning a series Australia in last 20 years.

England have lost 5 out of 40 home series in last 20 years

Australia have lost 6 out of 36 home series in last 20 years.

But still Australia's home W/L ratio is much better than England's home W/L ratio in last 20 years.

In Eng, pretty much all teams win or draw tests regularly. That's why I don't think Eng is as dominant as Aus at home despite Aus losing the series. To me dominant means, visiting teams not able to compete. I think overall it's harder for visiting teams to compete in Aus than Eng.

 

[Mesozoic]

Since 2011, Australia has lost just 9 tests while England lost a whopping 16 and South Africa lost 13.

New Zealand lost only 5 games but they played lesser games and got benefitted from the fact that they played their chief tormentors Australia just once where they got wrecked 2-0.....

So yes. Australia are the toughest place to win Test matches for any team. Just because two top class outfits (Ind and RSA) managed to beat them twice doesn't mean they're any more of a pushovers than England or NZ.

There's a reason why the likes of SL, Pak and WI have either won multiple Tests or a whole series in England but got absolutely mauled in Australia without mercy. Just looking at series lost as the criteria for home dominance is just plain dumb.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Yeah good post, England drop alot of tests at home, even if they win series. Winning a series in England has been tougher than winning a series Australia in last 20 years.

England have lost 5 out of 40 home series in last 20 years

Australia have lost 6 out of 36 home series in last 20 years.

But still Australia's home W/L ratio is much better than England's home W/L ratio in last 20 years.

20 years ago Australia was just as tough as india away to win series. In last 10 years at home Aussies havent been any where near as good.

 

[street cricketer]

Australia is regarded as one of the toughest places to win in the world because of the fact that when you tour Australia, the most likeliest outcome is that you're going to get battered and bruised. Just because the Saffers and the Indians have bucked this trend doesn't mean it's suddenly an easier place to tour. Both South Africa and India have had success in Australia with one of their best teams in their history, so it's definitely not a normal phenomenon.

It's true that England and New Zealand have had a better home record, but their W/L ratio isn't as ruthless as Australia, meaning you are more likely to come away with some draws and even the odd test win in those countries while you'll most probably get whitewashed everytime you visit Australia unless you have a very strong team. Even the likes of Shaun Marsh, Khawaja, Head, Burns and Wade become Bradman against the other teams at home.

 

[Manunited18]

There could be some test drawn due to rain, but that should hardly change W/L by much if Eng is losing 1 test when it wins 2 on average over a long period.

Also England wickets are by far the most sporting, maintaining a high winning percentage is very difficult as alot of the times toss and over head conditions can play a hugh part.

 

[RyanRyan10]

So Pakistan fans should not celebrate draws in England?

 

[Ab Fan]

Australia are dominant at home. Look at their results in last 7-8 years:-

England 9-0
New Zealand 5-0
Pakistan 7-0
Sri Lanka 5-0
India 4-4

South Africa win of 2016 doesn't count as Faf tampered with the ball.

 

[Buffet]

20 years ago Australia was just as tough as india away to win series. In last 10 years at home Aussies havent been any where near as good.

They are equally tough for all teams except SA and Ind. Aus has not allowed even drawn tests against other teams.

 

[Ab Fan]

England got owned 9-0 in Australia in last two tours and at home came up with results of 3-2 and 2-2 and Padosis whining England better than Aus.

NZ lol?? You want me to show the stats vs Australia too.

 

[Buffet]

Also England wickets are by far the most sporting, maintaining a high winning percentage is very difficult as alot of the times toss and over head conditions can play a hugh part.

Well, surely that's the reason. You can get a somewhat dry pitch as well.

Aus has just one condition. Bouncy tracks and most teams don't know how to bowl in bouncy tracks. SA always competed in the Aus due to having bouncy tracks at home. India had found it easier to draw tests in Aus even earlier due to their batting which other teams find it hard, but recently they have put a great bowling unit and won in Aus.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Since 2011, Australia has lost just 9 tests while England lost a whopping 16 and South Africa lost 13.

New Zealand lost only 5 games but they played lesser games and got benefitted from the fact that they played their chief tormentors Australia just once where they got wrecked 2-0.....

So yes. Australia are the toughest place to win Test matches for any team. Just because two top class outfits (Ind and RSA) managed to beat them twice doesn't mean they're any more of a pushovers than England or NZ.

There's a reason why the likes of SL, Pak and WI have either won multiple Tests or a whole series in England but got absolutely mauled in Australia without mercy. Just looking at series lost as the criteria for home dominance is just plain dumb.

So you think lose 5 home series is dominant?Of course you have to look at a series won.

Hypothetical Example Australia plays 10 series all 3 match test series at home

Wins 6 series (3--0 wins every series) overall 18-0
Losses 4 series (1-0 loss every series - 8 drawn tests in that)

Overall 18 wins 4 losses 8 draws - invidiual results look great doesnt hide fact they have lost 4 series.

Teams are judged on series wins not number of tests they win.

 

[Mesozoic]

England - 5-0 and 4-0

New Zealand - 2-0 and 3-0

Pakistan - 3-0 and 2-0

Sri Lanka - 3-0 and 2-0

West Indies - 2-0 and 2-0

This is what five out of the seven top8 Test teams in the world had to ensure when they visited down under the last two times....

Now make of that what you will..

 

[szrana007]

Australia is regarded as one of the toughest places to win in the world because of the fact that when you tour Australia, the most likeliest outcome is that you're going to get battered and bruised. Just because the Saffers and the Indians have bucked this trend doesn't mean it's suddenly an easier place to tour. Both South Africa and India have had success in Australia with one of their best teams in their history, so it's definitely not a normal phenomenon.

It's true that England and New Zealand have had a better home record, but their W/L ratio isn't as ruthless as Australia, meaning you are more likely to come away with some draws and even the odd test win in those countries while you'll most probably get whitewashed everytime you visit Australia unless you have a very strong team. Even the likes of Shaun Marsh, Khawaja, Head, Burns and Wade become Bradman against the other teams at home.

NZL's W/L ratio since 2011 is 5.0, which is better than Australia, but England have an inferior W/L ratio to Australia though.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Australia is unbeatable at home. Look at their stats.

India beats Australia TWICE. Destroys their stats.

Australia is weak at home. Look at these new stats.

India didn't do anything spectacular. Hence proved.

 

[Buffet]

Australia is regarded as one of the toughest places to win in the world because of the fact that when you tour Australia, the most likeliest outcome is that you're going to get battered and bruised. Just because the Saffers and the Indians have bucked this trend doesn't mean it's suddenly an easier place to tour. Both South Africa and India have had success in Australia with one of their best teams in their history, so it's definitely not a normal phenomenon.

Great point. I don't think SA will do that well now. As soon as India has an inferior team, I don't think they will win even tests in Aus, let alone winning series.

 

[szrana007]

England got owned 9-0 in Australia in last two tours and at home came up with results of 3-2 and 2-2 and Padosis whining England better than Aus.

NZ lol?? You want me to show the stats vs Australia too.

NZ haven't won a Test match at home let alone a series vs Aus and SA since 2011.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Australia are dominant at home. Look at their results in last 7-8 years:-

England 9-0
New Zealand 5-0
Pakistan 7-0
Sri Lanka 5-0
India 4-4

South Africa win of 2016 doesn't count as Faf tampered with the ball.

Still lost 5 series since 2011. Teams are judged on series wins.

Hypothetical Example

Australia play india 4 series in Aus.

Aussies win 4-0, india win 1-0, india win 2-1 and india win 2-1

India 5 tests won and Aussies 7. Yet india have won 3 series. So dress us test wins all you want test series results are what matters.

 

[Amjid Javed]

England - 5-0 and 4-0

New Zealand - 2-0 and 3-0

Pakistan - 3-0 and 2-0

Sri Lanka - 3-0 and 2-0

West Indies - 2-0 and 2-0

This is what five out of the seven top8 Test teams in the world had to ensure when they visited down under the last two times....

Now make of that what you will..

Do you have stats for indias tours to eng Nd NZ in that time?

 

[Manunited18]

Well, surely that's the reason. You can get a somewhat dry pitch as well.

Aus has just one condition. Bouncy tracks and most teams don't know how to bowl in bouncy tracks. SA always competed in the Aus due to having bouncy tracks at home. India had found it easier to draw tests in Aus even earlier due to their batting which other teams find it hard, but recently they have put a great bowling unit and won in Aus.

England in general do not struggle on bouncy wickets, last 2 tours to South Africa England have won, Australia is normally the Achilles heel for England is because a lack of a quality spinner since swans retirement

 

[Buffet]

England - 5-0 and 4-0

New Zealand - 2-0 and 3-0

Pakistan - 3-0 and 2-0

Sri Lanka - 3-0 and 2-0

West Indies - 2-0 and 2-0

This is what five out of the seven top8 Test teams in the world had to ensure when they visited down under the last two times....

Now make of that what you will..

So how many tests these 5 visiting teams were able to draw in Aus in this record?

Piggybacking on Ind/SA to come to conclusion about the dominance of Aus will miss this point.

 

[Amjid Javed]

England got owned 9-0 in Australia in last two tours and at home came up with results of 3-2 and 2-2 and Padosis whining England better than Aus.

NZ lol?? You want me to show the stats vs Australia too.

We are taking about teams overall team test series performances. Not head to heads. Yet another indian fan who cant comprehend things.

 

[Buffet]

England in general do not struggle on bouncy wickets, last 2 tours to South Africa England have won, Australia is normally the Achilles heel for England is because a lack of a quality spinner since swans retirement

Nah, Eng does well in SA due to sideways movement in SA. I don't think Eng has bowling to do well if there is no sideways movement.

 

[Ab Fan]

Still lost 5 series since 2011. Teams are judged on series wins.

Hypothetical Example

Australia play india 4 series in Aus.

Aussies win 4-0, india win 1-0, india win 2-1 and india win 2-1

India 5 tests won and Aussies 7. Yet india have won 3 series. So dress us test wins all you want test series results are what matters.

Statistical analysis to prove unbelievable Australia's superiority to other teams in Australia except two teams as it measures how dominant Aussies are at their home:-

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...2012;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

Since 1 Jan 2012,

India - 4 wins
SA - 3 wins
Eng - 0 wins
NZ - 0 wins
Pak - 0 wins
SL - 0 wins
WI - 0 wins
Bangladesh - 0 wins
Zimbabwe - 0 wins

Hence, in last 9 years, India and South Africa have been several leagues superior to other teams in Australia and other teams have failed to win even a single test in Australia in last 9 years.

This tells me how hard it is to breach Australia in Australia while if you do the same for other countries except India in India, every team will have few wins to their name.

Hence, ranking wise:-

1. India
2. South Africa
3. Australia

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[Manunited18]

Nah, Eng does well in SA due to sideways movement in SA. I don't think Eng has bowling to do well if there is no sideways movement.

Also the wickets in south africa are bouncy

 

[BreadPakoda]

Any reason you chose 2011-2021 and not 2016-2021 or 2001-2021?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Statistical analysis to prove unbelievable Australia's superiority to other teams in Australia except two teams:-

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...2012;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

Since 1 Jan 2012,

India - 4 wins
SA - 3 wins
Eng - 0 wins
NZ - 0 wins
Pak - 0 wins
SL - 0 wins
WI - 0 wins
Bangladesh - 0 wins
Zimbabwe - 0 wins

Hence, in last 9 years, India and South Africa have been several leagues superior to other teams in Australia and other teams have failed to win even a single test in Australia in last 9 years.

This tells me how hard it is to breach Australia in Australia while if you do the same for other countries except India in India, every team will have few wins to their name.

Hence, ranking wise:-

1. India
2. South Africa
3. Australia

Daylight

Rest

Mic drop!

I see you conviently left out 2011 where england won in Australia we are taking about a 10 year period not 9.

 

[Mamoon]

Any reason you chose 2011-2021 and not 2016-2021 or 2001-2021?

How else would he discredit India’s back to back wins in Australia?

 

[RyanRyan10]

Any reason you chose 2011-2021 and not 2016-2021 or 2001-2021?

Because this filter suits his agenda

 

[Amjid Javed]

Any reason you chose 2011-2021 and not 2016-2021 or 2001-2021?

10 year period is enough of a good time period to look at how well a team has done well at home in test series.

Feel free to put stats for 2016-2021 am sure NZ and Eng will have less home test series losses than Australia.

 

[Mesozoic]

Here's another filtered stat...

Since 2012, Australia have lost home Tests to just two teams..... India (4) and South Africa(3)..

Meanwhile , England lost at home to pretty much everyone under the sun.

4 losses to Australia
3 to Pakistan
3 to South Africa
2 to India
2 to West Indies
1 series losing defeat to Sri Lanka
1 series drawing defeat to New Zealand

So, they did not have that psychological effect on teams as Australia did by distributing these wins like sweets.

 

[Ab Fan]

I see you conviently left out 2011 where england won in Australia we are taking about a 10 year period not 9.

That was a different team going into crisis. Smith and Warner emerged from 2012 onwards. Once again,

Test wins in Australia:-

India - 4 wins
SA - 3 wins
Eng - 0 wins
NZ - 0 wins
Pak - 0 wins
SL - 0 wins
WI - 0 wins
Bangladesh - 0 wins
Zimbabwe - 0 wins

You do this for test wins in England and you will find everyone winning 2-3 tests in England in last 9 years.

 

[Buffet]

Also the wickets in south africa are bouncy

True. SA pitches have bounce, swing, seam, spin ... Everything depending on the venue.

That was the main reason for the great SA team to win everywhere because they had practice in all conditions. Otherwise even great teams find it hard to win everywhere.

 

[Amjid Javed]

How else would he discredit India’s back to back wins in Australia?

Im not discrediting indias wins. Facts are england and NZ are just as tough places to win in test series in last 5 or 10 years something india has failed to do.

Yet you will conviently ignore that fact.

 

[Amjid Javed]

That was a different team going into crisis. Smith and Warner emerged from 2012 onwards. Once again,

Test wins in Australia:-

India - 4 wins
SA - 3 wins
Eng - 0 wins
NZ - 0 wins
Pak - 0 wins
SL - 0 wins
WI - 0 wins
Bangladesh - 0 wins
Zimbabwe - 0 wins

You do this for test wins in England and you will find everyone winning 2-3 tests in England in last 9 years.

So whole cricketing world depends on how you perform in Australia does it? )

 

[szrana007]

I think W/L ratio is a better measure of home dominance than just series wins or losses.

W/L ratios of teams at home in last 20 years.

1. India ( W/L ratio of 6.0)

2. Australia ( W/L ratio of 4.875)

3. England ( W/L ratio of 2.516)

4. Pakistan/New Zealand ( W/L ratio of 2.27)

So its pretty clear that apart from India, Australia has been the toughest place to tour in last 2 decades.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Here's another filtered stat...

Since 2012, Australia have lost home Tests to just two teams..... India (4) and South Africa(3)..

Meanwhile , England lost at home to pretty much everyone under the sun.

4 losses to Australia
3 to Pakistan
3 to South Africa
2 to India
2 to West Indies
1 series losing defeat to Sri Lanka
1 series drawing defeat to New Zealand

So, they did not have that psychological effect on teams as Australia did by distributing these wins like sweets.

Well done india won 2 tests in england. Did you win any of those series?

Facts england have lost 2 home series and Australia 5 since 2011. Thats the glaring truth you or any other indian cant accept.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I think W/L ratio is a better measure of home dominance than just series wins or losses.

W/L ratios of teams at home in last 20 years.

1. India ( W/L ratio of 6.0)

2. Australia ( W/L ratio of 4.875)

3. England ( W/L ratio of 2.516)

4. Pakistan/New Zealand ( W/L ratio of 2.27)

So its pretty clear that apart from India, Australia has been the toughest place to tour in last 2 decades.

So ICC rankings is done on number of tests win rather than test series wins is it?

Losing 5 home test series in 10 years isnt a tough place to tour.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Well done india won 2 tests in england. Did you win any of those series?

Facts england have lost 2 home series and Australia 5 since 2011. Thats the glaring truth you or any other indian cant accept.

So India and Pakistan are both equal in England since they haven't won a series in England in 10 years.

Pakistan fans don't get to cheer much and you are taking away their chhoti chhoti khusiyaan by providing such logics

 

[szrana007]

So ICC rankings is done on number of tests win rather than test series wins is it?

Losing 5 home test series in 10 years isnt a tough place to tour.

How do you measure Overall success? By W/L ratio or by series win percentage ?

 

[Devadwal]

Same reason why india have struggled in NZ and eng. Players cant handle the conditions.

Indian team won series in England & Nz but Pakistan can't even draw single test in Australia after 1999. Pakistan fans go at any level to undermine indian greatest series wins in Australia

 

[Ab Fan]

So whole cricketing world depends on how you perform in Australia does it? )

No. But these stats prove that it is much harder to win even a single test in Australia. Teams like England and NZ have won not even a single test since 2012 in Australia.

If we do one for teams performance in England,

Aus - 4 wins
SA - 3
Pak - 3
Ind - 2
Windies - 2
NZ - 1
SL - 1

So, everyone has won something or other in England. It is not hard at all to beat England in England. But when you look at same for Aus in Aus, I will repeat for you again here( my hands are paining so I will copy from above):-

India - 4 wins
SA - 3 wins
Eng - 0 wins
NZ - 0 wins
Pak - 0 wins
SL - 0 wins
WI - 0 wins
Bangladesh - 0 wins
Zimbabwe - 0 wins

Everyone's machine is yet to open except India and South Africa.

This proves it is far more harder to beat Aus in Aus than Eng in England. Another way of looking it is if you look at their head to head record, it is 13-5 in Australia favour since 2013.

 

[Amjid Javed]

How do you measure Overall success? By W/L ratio or by series win percentage ?

How are the rankings measured? On test wins or test series wins? Simple question.

 

[BreadPakoda]

10 year period is enough of a good time period to look at how well a team has done well at home in test series.

Feel free to put stats for 2016-2021 am sure NZ and Eng will have less home test series losses than Australia.

Starting Jan 1, 2000

WL Ratio at home

Australia - 5.25
India - 4.69
England 2.56

These have been the best 3 teams at home.

Myth busted.

 

[szrana007]

How are the rankings measured? On test wins or test series wins? Simple question.

By W/L ratio, I think, over the last decade India has the best W/L ratio out of all teams and they have spent the most time occupying the no.1 spot.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Indian team won series in England & Nz but Pakistan can't even draw single test in Australia after 1999. Pakistan fans go at any level to undermine indian greatest series wins in Australia

We are talking Bout 2011-2021

When did India win test series in eng or NZ? They cant even draw test series here in that time period.

Supposide GOAT team but have lost all series in eng and NZ in last 10 years. Oh wait it was because of the toss of coin

 

[Mesozoic]

This is the bottom line.

5 out of the 7 top sides find Australia more daunting than Eng or SA or NZ.

India finds England and NZ more daunting than the other two....

South Africa doesn't find any place daunting may be England a little....

So there we have it. Cricket is not just India or the big 3. We have to respect the opinions of each permanent member boards.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Feel free to put stats for 2016-2021 am sure NZ and Eng will have less home test series losses than Australia.

Because India destroyed them TWICE!

India should not get credit for destroying Australia because of Australia's stats that India destroyed.

Add this to a GMAT question book please.

 

[RyanRyan10]

How are the rankings measured? On test wins or test series wins? Simple question.

Every match result counts in rankings. Points are added or deducted after every match based on results. Though in tests, they are released after a series. In Odis, they are released after a match.

 

[Ab Fan]

Because India destroyed them TWICE!

India should not get credit for destroying Australia because of Australia's stats that India destroyed.

Add this to a GMAT question book please.

What is Australia's home record post COVId?

I am sure it must be worse than England and NZ.

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[Devadwal]

We are talking Bout 2011-2021

When did India win test series in eng or NZ? They cant even draw test series here in that time period.

Supposide GOAT team but have lost all series in eng and NZ in last 10 years. Oh wait it was because of the toss of coin

Im talking about post 1999 bcz after that Pakistan yet to draw a single test in Australia.thats show Their Dominance .

 

[Raja111]

You make no sense. Australia's home stats got weakened because India beat them twice in recent times.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Im talking about post 1999 bcz after that Pakistan yet to draw a single test in Australia.thats show Their Dominance .

Even before 1999 pakistan had a poor record in Australia. That hasnt changed its somewhere they have always struggled. Some teams struggle against certain teams.

Look at how bad india are in eng or NZ.

The whole whole of test cricket isnt based on just what you do in Australia.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Every match result counts in rankings. Points are added or deducted after every match based on results. Though in tests, they are released after a series. In Odis, they are released after a match.

A series win or loss overall will dictate rankings based on if you win or lose the that series.

 

[Raja111]

The argument on this thread is same like saying "Team A beat Team B by 3-0 but Team A's wins hold lesser value because Team B have lost 3 matches.

 

[Buffet]

A series win or loss overall will dictate rankings based on if you win or lose the that series.

The margin of victory in series counts. 1-0 wins get you less point in 3 tests as compared to 3-0.

Opposition strength also counts. A series win against top-ranked teams counts for more.

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It's not just about winning series.

 

[Mamoon]

“Australia’s home record is overrated so Indian fans should not get too excited over beating them twice, but Australia’s home record is overrated because India beat them twice”

 

[MP2011]

For me if England beat India this summer and beat Australia this winter then in my opnion England will rightfully be regarded as the best Test team in the world.

Hell no!

 

[MP2011]

“Australia’s home record is overrated so Indian fans should not get too excited over beating them twice, but Australia’s home record is overrated because India beat them twice”

Coping mechanism. Last 3 months have not been good for some!

 

[Mesozoic]

Even before 1999 pakistan had a poor record in Australia. That hasnt changed its somewhere they have always struggled. Some teams struggle against certain teams.

Look at how bad india are in eng or NZ.

The whole whole of test cricket isnt based on just what you do in Australia.

Who even said it's based just on that?

Most Indian fans still grieve the 2-0 disaster in New Zealand last year. Heck even the 4-1 in England three years ago. So no... Indian fans do care about other results as well as.

You seem clearly rattled by Indian fans constantly bringing up the recent win down under but the magnitude of that win was such that it won't be forgotten in years. India B team under a makeshift captain beating full strength Australia at their decades old fortress and winning the series...who could have imagined that?

 

[szrana007]

So england won have a higher series win % in last 10 years at home are not as good as Australia ). Add to that they have lost 2 series compared to Aussies 5.

Aussies have won 11 out of 17 series.

England 14 out of 20 series.

I suggest you go back to school and learn maths!

Since 2011, Australia's W/L ratio is 4.0 and England's W/L ratio is 2.44, there is just too much of a gap in W/L ratio to say that England has been a better home team than Australia.