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Australia v Pakistan | 2nd Test - Day 2 | SCG | 4/01/10

Momo said:
Aamer Sohail (on spinners in Tests and Hauritz): Warne McGraw loss is huge for Australia. Warne never gave runs freely even if he didn't get wickets. In his bad sessions he gave 30 runs in 12-14 overs.

Hauritz is not like that. When things don't go his way, he gets slaughtered. He overtires but his ability is lacking. So the great spinners are those who strangle the opposition even if they don't get wickets at times.

Shane Warne then had a lot of runs to defend usually (strong batting line). So he had licence to experiment. Now that room is not always there. Although Australia are still scoring most of the times. But for last two years the batting is getting tested for the first time. And that is showing on bowlers as well.

They still have fast bowlers. They missed Hilfenhaus. Clark is out. Brett Lee will avoid Test cricket for a while. But their spin scene is barren. Kretza not good enough. Smith is being worked on by Warne. Let's see. Finger spinners are not working for Australia. Maybe it's time for another wrist spinner.
Excellent points.

In my view, on most non-South Asian surfaces, Australia's best attack is Bollinger + MJ + Hilfy + Siddle/. With Watson providing the back-up seam, and Katich, North and Michael Clarke providing three decent and very varied slow bowling and spin options. In reserve, they have Stuart Clark to play instead of Bollinger or Siddle if there's seam movement or cloud cover. That's an attack for most surfaces and most teams. Without Hilfy, they lack a genuine swing bowler.
 
ShehryarK said:
Excellent points.

In my view, on most non-South Asian surfaces, Australia's best attack is Bollinger + MJ + Hilfy + Siddle/. With Watson providing the back-up seam, and Katich, North and Michael Clarke providing three decent and very varied slow bowling and spin options. In reserve, they have Stuart Clark to play instead of Bollinger or Siddle if there's seam movement or cloud cover. That's an attack for most surfaces and most teams. Without Hilfy, they lack a genuine swing bowler.
They definitely miss Hilfy. And Hauritz is a disgrace.

That said, there's a lot of hype about the new legspinning kid (Smith) who is working with Warne. Is he any good though?
 
Momo said:
They definitely miss Hilfy. And Hauritz is a disgrace.

That said, there's a lot of hype about the new legspinning kid (Smith) who is working with Warne. Is he any good though?
Not if his first-class record is anything to go by!

Wasn't there similar hype around Jason Kretza?

Aussie will probably spend the next 20 years searching for the next Warne...just like England did with Botham. So every idiot who could hold a bat and bowl medium-paced pies became the "Next Botham"....David Capel, Chris Lewis, Phil DeFreitis, Craig White, Derek Pringle even..!



Agree that Hauritz is a disgrace. And disgraceful that we gave him a five-fer!!
 
Momo said:
They definitely miss Hilfy. And Hauritz is a disgrace.

That said, there's a lot of hype about the new legspinning kid (Smith) who is working with Warne. Is he any good though?

Think he's a batsman who bowls a little bit
 
ShehryarK said:
Aussie will probably spend the next 20 years searching for the next Warne...just like England did with Botham. So every idiot who could hold a bat and bowl medium-paced pies became the "Next Botham"....David Capel, Chris Lewis, Phil DeFreitis, Craig White, Derek Pringle even..!
:))) :))) :)))
 
Momo said:
They definitely miss Hilfy. And Hauritz is a disgrace.

That said, there's a lot of hype about the new legspinning kid (Smith) who is working with Warne. Is he any good though?

He is promising. Very good bat and improving as a bowler.

No idea whether he will improve enough to play for us but hey, he does not have much to beat to get in the team.

The only really wrist spinning option we have running around in domestic cricket hence the hype.
 
flawed_genius said:
Hilfy > Siddle.

Siddle is the Shaun McManus of cricket (AFL fans will get what I mean).

Yep. Siddle had a great first year in Test cricket but is not getting the results now. You can say he has been unlucky (and from what I have seen he has been) and you can say Mitchell Johnson is lucky but the fact is one of them is getting wickets consistently and the other one is not.

Shaun McManus is a harsh call FG :(
 
Random Aussie said:
He is promising. Very good bat and improving as a bowler.

No idea whether he will improve enough to play for us but hey, he does not have much to beat to get in the team.

The only really wrist spinning option we have running around in domestic cricket hence the hype.
In most conditions, you don't need him or Hauritz. Katich, North and Clarke provide all the spinning options Punter should ever need - left arm wrist spin, right arm off-break and left-arm orthodox!

Australia should play their best four bowlers, unless the conditions warrant a specialist. The best four bowlers in Aus do NOT include Hauritz.
 
Random Aussie said:
He is promising. Very good bat and improving as a bowler.

No idea whether he will improve enough to play for us but hey, he does not have much to beat to get in the team.

The only really wrist spinning option we have running around in domestic cricket hence the hype.
:)
 
Anyway, so we need to bat tomorrow and all day Wednesday, make 600 and then bowl Pakistan out. Should be easy enough....
 
Random Aussie said:
Anyway, so we need to bat tomorrow and all day Wednesday, make 600 and then bowl Pakistan out. Should be easy enough....
I agree. If you can make 600, rolling Pakistan over within a day will be easy enough.
 
Big day for pakistans bowlers tomorrow. Pakistan need to make inroads to the Aussie batting and take their catches. Pakistan dont want to be chasing over 100+ last with our tendancy to collapse under pressure.
 
A lot of pakistan batsmen got starts and didnt go on and thats the dissapointing thing again in this inns.
 
Random Aussie said:
Anyway, so we need to bat tomorrow and all day Wednesday, make 600 and then bowl Pakistan out. Should be easy enough....
600. :))) . Dude, anything over 400 will have us scared shitless.
 
Amjid Javed said:
A lot of pakistan batsmen got starts and didnt go on and thats the dissapointing thing again in this inns.
Yeah, it's really disappointing. At least one of them should have gone on with it, preferably Yousuf who's been missing out quite often now.
 
Sheikh said:
Yeah, it's really disappointing. At least one of them should have gone on with it, preferably Yousuf who's been missing out quite often now.

At least one pakistan batsmen should have scored a 100 in this series so far. If we win this game i wont be to fussed if some one doesnt get a 100!
 
hasanb said:
Jesus...everyday there are at least 2 or 3 absolutely random and useless threads from muhammad saad.

I wonder how many of this guys threads have been deleted for uselessness...it must be a PP record for sure.
Well at least he is devoted to the site I always see him online, I have no problem if he wants to share something & I think no one else should have
 
Random Aussie said:
Yep. Siddle had a great first year in Test cricket but is not getting the results now. You can say he has been unlucky (and from what I have seen he has been) and you can say Mitchell Johnson is lucky but the fact is one of them is getting wickets consistently and the other one is not.

Shaun McManus is a harsh call FG :(

He he..

I think he started off good but now he has become predictable. Against the Windies he averaged 71 with the ball at a strike rate of 112.

In this series thus far he's averaging 59 with the ball at a strike rate of 117.

That's not good enough for a test match opening bowler.

What's more of an issue for me is the fact that he cant take wickets with the new ball, 75% of his wickets come from the middle or the tail.

He's not doing his job, he's not taking wickets and he's not up to it at the moment. But it doesn't help when the fielders drop catches.

PS. Us sand gropers think the Vics like to over-rate their lot. ;-)
 
Maybe we can bat for a draw. We'll need to bat for a couple of days at least to waste some time.
 
OZGOD said:
Maybe we can bat for a draw. We'll need to bat for a couple of days at least to waste some time.
Too much time left for a draw. You guys will go for it, no doubt, and try to put 450 odd on the board leaving us with quite a bit of work to do.

At 200/2 going into the last session we could have put you out of the game. Unfortunately that oh so familiar collapse showed up again. I just hope the 200 run lead is enough.
 
flawed_genius said:
He he..

I think he started off good but now he has become predictable. Against the Windies he averaged 71 with the ball at a strike rate of 112.

In this series thus far he's averaging 59 with the ball at a strike rate of 117.

That's not good enough for a test match opening bowler.

What's more of an issue for me is the fact that he cant take wickets with the new ball, 75% of his wickets come from the middle or the tail.

He's not doing his job, he's not taking wickets and he's not up to it at the moment. But it doesn't help when the fielders drop catches.

PS. Us sand gropers think the Vics like to over-rate their lot. ;-)

Well at least us Vic actually grow our own bowlers instead of importing hacks ;-)

But yeah I agree with Siddle, fact is he is a 3rd seamer at this point (and on form doesn't deserve to be in the team at all) but we happen to have MJ already who is kinda handy as 3rd seamer.

Hilfy, Bollinger, MJ and an inanimate carbon rod should be the attack when fully fit.
 
indeed, the carbon rod is very good at breaking a partnership
 
Random Aussie said:
Well at least us Vic actually grow our own bowlers instead of importing hacks ;-)

But yeah I agree with Siddle, fact is he is a 3rd seamer at this point (and on form doesn't deserve to be in the team at all) but we happen to have MJ already who is kinda handy as 3rd seamer.

Hilfy, Bollinger, MJ and an inanimate carbon rod should be the attack when fully fit.

Ha ha, fair hit. :(

In rod we trust.
 
OZGOD said:
Maybe we can bat for a draw. We'll need to bat for a couple of days at least to waste some time.
The wicket still has this bite in it making it very tough for someone to post high scores individually. That said, Aus will now end up with the sunniest day of the five to bat on.
 
taaveez said:
The wicket still has this bite in it making it very tough for someone to post high scores individually. That said, Aus will now end up with the sunniest day of the five to bat on.

With a deficit of 204 to make up and a confident bowling line-up that job of staying at the wicket will be made much more harder for them..

It now requires the likes of Kaneria and Gul to demonstrate their 2nd innings bowling skills, as we cannot Asif and Sami to pull out more miracles again..
 
Couldn't you have asked this in the match thread?

Otherwise, mods, can we make a thread for each of the following:

Didn't Kamran Akmal see the point fielder in the deep?
Couldn't Sami hold on for 3 deliveries prior to the stumps?
Don't all Pak pacers (except Gul) need to see a hairdresser?
Doesn't Malik look like Anil Kapoor in grown shave?
 
taaveez said:
Couldn't you have asked this in the match thread?

Otherwise, mods, can we make a thread for each of the following:

Didn't Kamran Akmal see the point fielder in the deep?
Couldn't Sami hold on for 3 deliveries prior to the stumps?
Don't all Pak pacers (except Gul) need to see a hairdresser?
Doesn't Malik look like Anil Kapoor in grown shave?



lol its quiet amusing.
 
taaveez said:
Couldn't you have asked this in the match thread?

Otherwise, mods, can we make a thread for each of the following:

Didn't Kamran Akmal see the point fielder in the deep?
Couldn't Sami hold on for 3 deliveries prior to the stumps?
Don't all Pak pacers (except Gul) need to see a hairdresser?
Doesn't Malik look like Anil Kapoor in grown shave?

Exactly my point :))
 
hasanb said:
Well the thread title makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for starters. Something like:

'Salman Butts New Batting Stance'

'Has Salman Butt Changed his Batting Stance?'

'Is Salmans Batting Stance more Backfoot Orientated?'

All of those would have at least made sense and perhaps merited a debate. However the current thread title is a load of gobble-de-gook.

haha okay now that i think of it, the title sounds a bit immature
 
Im happy with how things have gone - infact im delighted. I said a lead of 200 would be welcome and thats what we have got (hopefully a few lustful blows in the morning can add some entertainment and some bonus runs)

We were in a great position to post a big total BUT this is Pakistan - i was not deluded into thinking we would make 400+ - that would just make life easy for us and we know that we dont like to do that

We hold the advantage in this match - no doubt about it BUT hopefully we can restrict the Aussies to around 350, dont fancy us chasing anything upwards of 150
 
Random Aussie said:
Well at least us Vic actually grow our own bowlers instead of importing hacks ;-)

But yeah I agree with Siddle, fact is he is a 3rd seamer at this point (and on form doesn't deserve to be in the team at all) but we happen to have MJ already who is kinda handy as 3rd seamer.

Hilfy, Bollinger, MJ and an inanimate carbon rod should be the attack when fully fit.

I didn't see Siddle bowling in the morning, but he bowled well in the final session, was taken off too early after dismissing Faisal, he was causing a few problems for Yousuf.

Certainly outbowled Bollinger in that final session though the left armer picked up the wickets.
 
Muhammad said:
I didn't see Siddle bowling in the morning, but he bowled well in the final session, was taken off too early after dismissing Faisal, he was causing a few problems for Yousuf.

Certainly outbowled Bollinger in that final session though the left armer picked up the wickets.

The Umar wicket was a good un BUT Yousuf and Misbah was gifted

Siddle definately looked dangerous - beat the bat on numerous occasions
 
Pakistan will find bowling on a 3rd day SCG pitch will be a lot harder then it was on day 1.

I hope Asif can do the job again for pakistan.
 
There is still something in the pitch if you bowl in the right areas. The Aussies were slightly short on this pitch lots of balls being cut to third man and over the slips dont think they are used to bowling on this type of wicket. If pak bowlers bowl as a unit we can still win by an innings. Inshallah
 
Aussie were bowling too short , i though they needed to pitch it up and we know Asif will bowl there time and again. Innings defeat looms for Aussies
 
saj001 said:
Aussie were bowling too short , i though they needed to pitch it up and we know Asif will bowl there time and again. Innings defeat looms for Aussies

Mark his words...
 
Amjid Javed said:
Pakistan will find bowling on a 3rd day SCG pitch will be a lot harder then it was on day 1.

I hope Asif can do the job again for pakistan.
Kaneria might play a bigger role on day 3. Hauritz was getting the ball to turn and it was gripping the surface of the pitch very well.
 
Just saw the highlights and we could've really gotten a good lead. However, all batsmen except for Salman and Umar Akmal threw their wickets away.
 
WNC said:
Just saw the highlights and we could've really gotten a good lead. However, all batsmen except for Salman and Umar Akmal threw their wickets away.
I guess the target was to get as many runs as possible by the end of day's play. Thee is some rain in the forecast for today and tomorrow.
 
Inswinger said:
I guess the target was to get as many runs as possible by the end of day's play. Thee is some rain in the forecast for today and tomorrow.

not really, most of our batsmen are just idiotic
 
WNC said:
Just saw the highlights and we could've really gotten a good lead. However, all batsmen except for Salman and Umar Akmal threw their wickets away.

Well we have got a good lead, but we could've and indeed should've got a lead which practically put OZ completely out of the game.

As it stands we will still have to play particularly badly to lose, but the oppo are still breathing.

As for Umar, it was a good ball that got him but he seemed to be living on a knife edge. Love his positive approach but needs to readdress the balance slightly as at times it's currently bordering on recklessness!
 
Ahmed Zulfiqar said:
not really, most of our batsmen are just idiotic

I take back those comments on Salman Butt, on tough conditions he got 70 runs and deflected the pressure from the middle order..

As for most of our batsmen being idiotic, a lead of 200 is significant and for once we will see Australia play under real pressure (and in recent series vs England/SA, they wilt under pressure from significant bowling combinations)
 
Luton Bad Boy said:
I take back those comments on Salman Butt, on tough conditions he got 70 runs and deflected the pressure from the middle order..

As for most of our batsmen being idiotic, a lead of 200 is significant and for once we will see Australia play under real pressure (and in recent series vs England/SA, they wilt under pressure from significant bowling combinations)

sure but we could have batted them out of the game...just look at the way Farhat, Faisal, Misbah and Kami got themselves out...some absolutely horrendous shots
 
Ahmed Zulfiqar said:
sure but we could have batted them out of the game...just look at the way Farhat, Faisal, Misbah and Kami got themselves out...some absolutely horrendous shots

Just read the innings commentary of cricinfo and it appeared as though the batsmen had a train to catch or something.

Pakistan do not play logical cricket, that is why they are a mecurial side and makes them a joy to watch..

Why bat Australia out of the game, why not give them a sniff of a chance and work hard for that victory..
 
disappointed given the miracle our openers provided. a bit more balancce and Umar should have got a century.

too many missed half-centuries . . oh well, aussies very much still in ut
 
Congrats to Oz; on their way to a hard earned Innings defeat....If only Bucknor was around to save them like their last outing in Sydney... :)
 
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Pakistan is in a dominant position but needs to turn the nails on Australia's batting coffin to be assured of victory.
 
saj001 said:
Aussie were bowling too short , i though they needed to pitch it up and we know Asif will bowl there time and again. Innings defeat looms for Aussies


260 would have done it
 
Pak surely has advantage going into day 3. I don't undertsand why pakistani batsmen Umer Akmal, Kamran Akmal, Misbah were in so much hurry. We had a really good opportunity to bad Aussies out of the match (lead of over 350 or so) and we didn't do that instead we gave Aus a slight light at the end of the tunnel. The first session tommorow will determine the faith of the game. We would need to get couple of wickets early and don;t let the openers settle in. If Aus openers settled in then the game can go any where.
 
OZGOD said:
Maybe we can bat for a draw. We'll need to bat for a couple of days at least to waste some time.
:asif :Sami ...I like your enthusiasm but get ready for a much deserved loss.
 
Pakistan are in a VERY strong position at the moment.

Ideally we would have still had 3 wickets in hand and we could have gone gung ho this evening and taken the lead to 250 or so but beggars can't be choosers and I don't recall the last time we had any kind of 1st innings lead against Australia, let alone 204 runs....
I would put the game 75-25 in our favour....we need to get Australia for less than 400 now.
 
Basically losing 7 wkts in the final session suggests that we are feeling the pressure - of being close to defeating Aus on their home turf - and not quite sure what to do!

Inexperience & pressure cost us in the final session....we havent totally locked the Aussies out yet.

But 3 days to go - Asif is a genuine bunny so the lead will be what it presently stands at.

I dont want us to be batting 4th - having to bat to SAVE the test. Because we royally suck at that!
 
Inshallah we will get there boyz..dont worry. The pitch is still very live. We need 10 good balls to bowl them out.

Aussies are the one under pressure. Aussie bowlers did not bowl well at all. Why ? because of pressure.

If Sami, Asif and DK bowl with the same venom, this game will be ours, Inshallah.
 
luvthegame said:
Inshallah we will get there boyz..dont worry. The pitch is still very live. We need 10 good balls to bowl them out.

Aussies are the one under pressure. Aussie bowlers did not bowl well at all. Why ? because of pressure.

If Sami, Asif and DK bowl with the same venom, this game will be ours, Inshallah.

You haven't built dropped catches into your model, we will probably need 15 good balls. :asif :Sami :gul :danish
 
Muhammad said:
You haven't built dropped catches into your model, we will probably need 15 good balls. :asif :Sami :gul :danish
Add five more for the home advantage (Hawkeye etc). :D
 
Ghoshtbuster said:
Yousuf should declare overnight.

We should be bowling first thing.
Yeah. Asif is as good/bad as Chris martin so no point in wasting 10-15 minutes.
 
Ghoshtbuster said:
Yousuf should declare overnight.

We should be bowling first thing.

I disagree.

These two are not going to last very long....20-30 mins wont make a huge difference. We shouldn't declare because every run counts and you never know.....Danish might swing and a few might come off the middle and the lead could be 225....those 20 runs could make all the difference.

Plus the Aussies will want to bat so making them field for a few overs will be a good thing.
 
Sure every run counts, but lets assume there will be cloud cover first thing in the morning - surely in that case it would be better to bowl in those ideal conditions, incase it clears up sooner rather than later. I dont know what the weather forecast is though.
 
The thing is Australia got all their wickets with the new ball. The ball is the key here, if we use that well and get 2-3 early wickets, I would love to see how Aussies middle order will play kaneria. Just hope that Yousuf won't go on defensive filed settings very quickly.
 
Positives from Day 2: we reached over 300 which was good considering our recent performances where we have struggled.

We reached over 300 on green top, almost unbeleivable.

Negatives: we had a slight collapse, we could've put the game beyond Aus...

Overall, I'd be happy with 200 run lead after 1st innings

We just have to hope the Wicket still gives good movement for seamers and assists Kaneria, then we should have Aus out for 250
 
Ghoshtbuster said:
Sure every run counts, but lets assume there will be cloud cover first thing in the morning - surely in that case it would be better to bowl in those ideal conditions, incase it clears up sooner rather than later. I dont know what the weather forecast is though.

forecast is bright sunshine all day

http://uk.weather.com/weather/today-Sydney-ASXX0112
 
Afridi_Fan said:
The thing is Australia got all their wickets with the new ball. The ball is the key here, if we use that well and get 2-3 early wickets, I would love to see how Aussies middle order will play kaneria. Just hope that Yousuf won't go on defensive filed settings very quickly.
dont know about middle order but the lower middle order, mitchel johnson tonked him all over the park :danish
 
Disco_Lemonade said:
dont know about middle order but the lower middle order, mitchel johnson tonked him all over the park :danish


That was Day 1 Pitch. Day 1 Pitch, after just one session of bowling
 
Pakistan shouldn't declare unless it drizzles while cover is off. Even 5-10 runs in 10 minutes if they last that long are welcome. They might even survive for 5 overs and with Danni Boy out there he can score 20+ runs

I just don't want Pakistan collapsing next innings. There will be some psychological issues (remember the big collapses this year against SL and NZ). If Aus get 200 lead or somehow 300 lead - we can lose by same margin in both scenario.
 
ShehryarK said:
Some VERY positive ie sensible comments by Aamer today - very unlike him, but well done for some quality analytical stuff as opposed to just bashing our guys.
I said the same thing. It was realy a pleasant surprise
 
It almost happened yesterday.

List of all Test matches where the all-out total of the side batting first was surpassed by the first-wicket partnership of the side batting second.

All matches were won by the sides batting second (and achieving this feat). Only if Farhat had stayed for another 18 runs! :po:

The side batting first is listed first.

A=first innings total by the side batting first
B=first wicket partnership by the side batting second
Code:
 A    B
133  147  JB Hobbs       Aus v Eng  Adelaide     1911-12
          W Rhodes

191  323  JB Hobbs       Aus v Eng  Melbourne(4) 1911-12
          W Rhodes

 52  117  SG Barnes      Eng v Aus  The Oval     1948
          AR Morris

241  244  RB Simpson     Eng v Aus  Adelaide     1965-66
          WM Lawry

173  191  RB Simpson     Ind v Aus  Melbourne    1967-68
          WM Lawry

260  298  CG Greenidge   Eng v WI   St John's    1989-90
          DL Haynes

 71   94  Saeed Anwar    SL  v Pak  Kandy        1994-95
          Aamir Sohail

216  298  Aamir Sohail   WI  v Pak  Karachi      1997-98
          Ijaz Ahmed

127  167  CB Lambert     Eng v WI   St John's    1997-98
          PA Wallace

 82  101  MJ Slater      WI  v Aus  Brisbane     2000-01
          ML Hayden

104  181  MH Richardson  Pak v NZ   Hamilton     2000-01
          MD Bell

155  214  D Ganga        Zim v WI   Bulawayo     2001
          CH Gayle

134  168  Saeed Anwar    BD  v Pak  Multan       2001-02
          Taufeeq Umar

 90  144  MS Atapattu    BD  v SL   Colombo      2001-02
          ST Jayasuriya

199  281  MS Atapattu    Zim v SL   Harare       2003-04
          ST Jayasuriya

 54  217  GC Smith       SAf v Zim  Cape Town    2004-05
          AB de Villiers

108  148  ME Trescothick BD  v Eng  Lord’s       2005
          AJ Strauss

149  231  ML Hayden      WI  v Aus  Hobart       2005-06
          MEK Hussey

 76   78  GC Smith       Ind v SAf  Ahmedabad    2007-08
          ND McKenzie
 
I was so happy to see the positive intent of our batters. Sure Misbah and Kami got out to stupid shots, but the rest played very well. They never let the aussie bowlers get on top at any stage of the game, even on a pitch that was he;ping seam bowling.

Although I have to say, we are about 50 runs short.
 
waqar_ahmad said:
I was so happy to see the positive intent of our batters. Sure Misbah and Kami got out to stupid shots, but the rest played very well. They never let the aussie bowlers get on top at any stage of the game, even on a pitch that was he;ping seam bowling.

Although I have to say, we are about 50 runs short.

What about Farhat, Faisal, Gul and Sami? All went for stupid shots and got out. Yousaf could have easily left the ball. Only Umar Akmal and Butt got the wicket taking balls.
 
JeeraBlade said:
What about Farhat, Faisal, Gul and Sami? All went for stupid shots and got out. Yousaf could have easily left the ball. Only Umar Akmal and Butt got the wicket taking balls.
Yeah for forgot about them :P

Like I said, we are at least 50 runs short. Aussies have a chance now. I hope our bowlers can get them out before 200 :D
 
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