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Australia v Pakistan | 2nd Test | Melbourne | Dec 26-30, 2016 | Day 1

Syed1 said:
This is what happens if you go at less than 3 rpo. You are bound to get a good ball sooner or later, better to make hay while the sun shines.

If you want to teach a kid how not to bat in a test, show him Sami Aslam's pathetic gutless innings.
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Its a more technical deficiency ive noted in all three dismissals. A bat coming down at an angle resulting in an edge, especially for babar. None of them were 'good balls' by any stretch. Just genuine balls with a bit of movement either way at a medium pace.
 
Junaids said:
Firstly, I'm pretty safe, and secondly, I never said that. :)

But boss, this is the kind of pitch on which Umar Akmal would have made 85 (89) and Salman Butt would have made 110 (205).

We are watching players with skills suited for Asian conditions scratch around in prefect batting conditions, which just require a young eye and young reflexes.

I still think this is a 500+ pitch.

And I still think Pakistan will score less than 300, after which Australia will score well over 400.
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I am always astounded by your total disregard for facts and intellectual dishonesty when you make up these hypothetical scores for Butt and Akmal.

Please give us a break. The players you are talking about are inconsistent mediocre batsmen who average in the 30s for a reason
 
endymion248 said:
Players' international careers are for a country in every sport. There is no sense into counting glorified exhibition matches in averages.
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For your satisfaction, you can say Inzi averaged 50+ in Test for PAK; but his Test career average is 49.60 - and this is not because he was not a 50+ average batsman; but because he never bothered - his last 2 dismissals of Test career suggested to me that, he should have retired after the 2007 WC - went for Javed's record because it was easier to memorize:(. I always tell that, he once took a Test match to day 5 for 15 minutes, despite 90% chances of thunderstorm, because he wasn't aware of that 30 minutes extension rule - a playing condition, that he signed as PAK captain, prior to the tour.
 
Another edge of Azhar that goes in the gap. Living on the edge this lad
 
Junaids said:
I have started a thread on this, but in the four Tests Down Under so far:

Younis Khan averages 14.57
Misbah averages 12.80

When your numbers 4 and 5 are scoring less runs than Mohammad Amir and are looking less secure at the crease than Yasir Shah, you know that the old war horses should have been forcibly retired if they didn't have the sense to do it themselves.

It's embarrassing, it's shameful, and it's destroying their legacies.
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Absolutely true. But the problem is when your board Chairman is very old, for him 42 and 43 year olds are still very young.
 
Azhar is key for Pakistan. If Australia could get his wicket, they will restrict Pakistan to 275-300
 
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ok that is all i needed. i have seen enough of this test match to see it through

pakistan will score between 185-220 max

aussies will score 375-450.

Pakistan will score 250-270

and aussies win by 8-10 wickets
 
fast1975 said:
ok that is all i needed. i have seen enough of this test match to see it through

pakistan will score between 185-220 max

aussies will score 375-450.

Pakistan will score 250-270

and aussies win by 8-10 wickets
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Junaids said:
But boss, this is the kind of pitch on which Umar Akmal would have made 85 (89) and Salman Butt would have made 110 (205).
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Only if none of us had seen these two batsmen on flat tracks. Most batsmen wouldn't have made 85 and 110 so putting Akmal and Butt names out of all batsmen is going over the top. Even of flat tracks, you to bat well.
 
that is why i was not over excited about gabba test

our tail worked in that test match after almost 50 test matches....other wise we would be bundled under 270

but fundamental issues were there..brittle top order and horrible low order

and you just cant expect from this mediocre team much . they are playing their best to best of their abilitis
 
We need to somehow get to 300 just to stay in the game
 
Azhar and Sami lovers please listen to the commentators right now
 
The sun needs to come out please!! We've had the hardest of batting conditions this tour so far. Having to bat under lights in the majority of the 1st Test and now have had to deal with overcast, damp conditions on the 1st day of this Test.
 
Bird is more English condition bowler than his homeland; probably Aussies made a miss of not taking him to last Ashes, based on his only match at Chester Le Street.
 
Syed1 said:
We need to somehow get to 300 just to stay in the game
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300 is nothing. Aussies would score that in a less than a day. Need 400 at least to compete. 500 to be in the driving seat.
 
Unless Sami Aslam does something noteworthy in the second innings, I think he should make way for Sharjeel.

You can't be happy with such a negative batsman. He's scored 46 runs at a s/r of 25 in 3 innings.

Criticize YK and Misbah if you like, but Misbah is the captain, so you can't drop him. YK just scored 65 in the last test and is an ATG Pak batsman, so you can't drop him either.

Babar and Aslam need to step up in the second innings.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
They're not comparable. Azhar is a far better batsman.
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I'm not rating batsmen here, I'm just commenting on the approach and so were the commentators. The pitch is flat, there are plenty of gaps, you are well set and still playing at a run rate of 2.. :facepalm:
 
MMHS said:
For your satisfaction, you can say Inzi averaged 50+ in Test for PAK; but his Test career average is 49.60 - and this is not because he was not a 50+ average batsman; but because he never bothered - his last 2 dismissals of Test career suggested to me that, he should have retired after the 2007 WC - went for Javed's record because it was easier to memorize:(. I always tell that, he once took a Test match to day 5 for 15 minutes, despite 90% chances of thunderstorm, because he wasn't aware of that 30 minutes extension rule - a playing condition, that he signed as PAK captain, prior to the tour.
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Younis will go down the same way.
 
Syed1 said:
I'm not rating batsmen here, I'm just commenting on the approach and so were the commentators. The pitch is flat, there are plenty of gaps, you are well set and still playing at a run rate of 2.. :facepalm:
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Most of that is down to Younis and Sami. Azhar has made up for his slow start.
 
Madplayer said:
Babar azam ne kya kiya aaj?
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Not much around 25, but he was looking good and was also playing positively. Got a good ball which arguably he may have played better, however he presented the full face to it and it swung enough to take the edge.
 
Syed1 said:
Not much around 25, but he was looking good and was also playing positively. Got a good ball which arguably he may have played better, however he presented the full face to it and it swung enough to take the edge.
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He better realize that these pretty 20s and 30s wont get him anywhere. But i guess just like ODIs, he is one hundered away from getting started in tests.
 
Babar Azam again played well for me. Got a good one , but looked very promising, won;t be surprised if scored a big one in 2nd inning.
 
Since the Lunch break Azhar has made 40 off 65 balls at a strike rate of 62. How can anyone in their right mind fault him for his approach? He has done his job of seeing off the first session and then upping the scoring rate in the second perfectly. Some really unnecessary hate for Azhar on here. The guy is quality compared to the rest of our bats.
 
Justcrazy said:
Younis will go down the same way.
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That's not his fault. In Asia, we don't know how to leave with a legacy - only 3 players I have seen leaving with head high are Sanga, Imran & Gavaskar, may be Dravid as well.

It's the problem with PCB & their lack of understanding of the game. 10K is a milestone which PAK needs - even SRL has 2 there & Williamson will reach there as well - but that could have been managed far better way than this. BCCI arranged 2 Tests against WI for ST to ensure that he is comfortable to reach 200 Tests without costing India - that's for Tendulkar. It was quite possible for YK to take a temporary retirement & comeback in Asia for the few Tests he'll need there.

I always say a word - Batting culture. Neither PCB, nor YK has the understanding of it - both believe that YK 'll play a 170 in one of the Tests ...............
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
Unless Sami Aslam does something noteworthy in the second innings, I think he should make way for Sharjeel.

You can't be happy with such a negative batsman. He's scored 46 runs at a s/r of 25 in 3 innings.

Criticize YK and Misbah if you like, but Misbah is the captain, so you can't drop him. YK just scored 65 in the last test and is an ATG Pak batsman, so you can't drop him either.

Babar and Aslam need to step up in the second innings.
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There is nothing in constitution of Pakistan that "ATG" who averages less than 12 in Australia cannot be dropped after playing one good inning out of six on this tour, that too at a wicket where everyone, even tailenders scored. Amir scored more runs than YK a Gabba.
 
Hopefully the day gets rained off. We'll be better off coming back tomorrow and batting when the suns out.
 
Slog said:
I am always astounded by your total disregard for facts and intellectual dishonesty when you make up these hypothetical scores for Butt and Akmal.

Please give us a break. The players you are talking about are inconsistent mediocre batsmen who average in the 30s for a reason
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They have never been consistent in their life but lets take one or two series they did well in and assume thats the norm. I mean Butt never stayed consistent in UAE/Pakistan but somehow just because he had one good Aussie series he will remain consistent in Australia all the time
 
Gonna wait for 15 minutes for rain to subside otherwise ill hit the hay
 
why do we always end up batting when its raining, or there are a bunch of clowds, or its nigh time with apink new ball etc.....

not saying we wouldnt be collapsing without these variables in play but still leaves a 'what if' in your mind
 
CricketBuff said:
I feel its now time for Misbah to retire gracefully
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Yes these two 40 years old are disgrace for our country, even shehzad and akmal would have score more than that, I hope they both fail for rest of tour because it will help us in long run...
 
I hope to God Mark Nicholas is fine, I wouldn't want his last game to be in which he had to sit through Sami, Younis and Misbah's pathetic innings.
 
I still have the CricViz app from the Eng Test Series, CricViz Predicting

Aus - 74.4% Chance of Winning
Pak - 24.1% Chance of Winning
Draw - 1.5% Chance

CricViz Score Predictions
Pakistan 1st Innings - 271 All Out
Australia 1st innings - 362 All Out
Pakistan 2nd Innings - 243 All Out
Australia 2nd Innings - 153/5 Win By 5 Wickets.

Also Australian fielding has saved 33 Runs today.
 
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