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Australia vs India | 4th Test | Sydney | Jan 3-7, 2019 | Day 2 Thread

jagatk said:
No one is calling dhoni a great keeper against pace, that is another ** assumption on your part, my exact words were acceptable. Also every keeper drops a few but only pant seems to drop ever catch that isn't a dolly, last keeper who did that for us was parthiv, pant's keeping is a similar level which is mediocre.
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You are basically assuming saha would have taken that catch lol how is that not an assumption.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
322/5 to 350 all out is more likely with saha than 400. Did you even check how much our tail contriibuted in this series and how Jadeja got bounced out twice in a row?
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So we are supposed to remember that jadeja was bounced out but forget his 81 runs, remember the tail doesn't score but forget a certain pujara was still batting, this is just beyond embarrassing now.
 
ILcricket said:
343 runs & 3 wickets on day 2 . Such pitches will kill cricket :(
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Not sure why this pitch when Aus needed to push for a win. Green pitch would have been the best bet even if Aus batting is poor.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
YEa right lol Mongia and sadandand viswanath are the best i have seen. This guy is not even close.
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Try asking experts on twitter , desi ones like Manjrekar or VVS . Incidentally i am saying he is the best in Country at the moment , not all time .
 
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[MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION]

Aus need to play 180 overs ( 2 days ) and score at 4 RPO to pile on around 750 runs and bowl out India cheaply !!
 
jnaveen1980 said:
We are talking about playing hazlewood/cummins/starc in Australia. IF you really say Saha would have contributed in every innings like Pant did in this series and took all the 21 catches then you are making a much bigger assumption than i do
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Pant actually scored valuable runs in every single inning and in this test he has killed any chance of Aus win by going big.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
You are basically assuming saha would have taken that catch lol how is that not an assumption.
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Yes and it's not assumption its common sense if a keeper has consistently taken difficult catches he isn't likely to drop regulation ones, i know you seem to be at uneasy with concept of common sense but try it sometimes.
 
jagatk said:
Yes and it's not assumption its common sense if a keeper has consistently taken difficult catches he isn't likely to drop regulation ones, i know you seem to be at uneasy with concept of common sense but try it sometimes.
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Are you telling me Saha never dropped a catch or missed stumping?
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
It's not about who will replace whom but about underrating Saha.
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Saha's saga is over. Pointless we are talking about him. This is his first year. I have seen Pappu patel, dhoni, kkd. This guy has done far better than all of them in his debut year. He has lot of room to improve. He is only 22. He is a quick learner. He will come around. So we have to stop talking about this stop gap keeper saha every chance like he is next best after slice of bread.
 
jagatk said:
I am saying he won't be dropping as many catches as pant has dropped this series.
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Doing it year after year is one thing. Doing for a couple of years another. Gilly dropped lot of catchces and called it quits around the time he retired. This guy is already 34. What sort of reflex he will have.
 
Australia reach Stumps on Day 2 of a pretty one-sided contest (as it stands) on 24/0 in the first innings of the 4th Test
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Saha's saga is over. Pointless we are talking about him. This is his first year. I have seen Pappu patel, dhoni, kkd. This guy has done far better than all of them in his debut year. He has lot of room to improve. He is only 22. He is a quick learner. He will come around. So we have to stop talking about this stop gap keeper saha every chance like he is next best after slice of bread.
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You also said you have watched how kirmani was poor at start of his career, so its difficult to take your opinions seriously.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Doing it year after year is one thing. Doing for a couple of years another. Gilly dropped lot of catchces and called it quits around the time he retired. This guy is already 34. What sort of reflex he will have.
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Again assumptions galore, but using yours imagine how bad pant will be if he can't take these catches now.
 
jagatk said:
You also said you have watched how kirmani was poor at start of his career, so its difficult to take your opinions seriously.
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Well then you don't know the history then. He was dropping a lot of catches, so many byes when he started.IT took a while before he became a better keeper.
 
Buffet said:
Not sure why this pitch when Aus needed to push for a win. Green pitch would have been the best bet even if Aus batting is poor.
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Incompetent curator i guess . He said before the game that day 1 it will help the pacers , 2 & 3 will be a good batting deck & turn on day 4 & 5 . What we saw was movement off the deck & nice carry for first 75 minutes & after that it flattened out completely .
 
jnaveen1980 said:
We are talking about playing hazlewood/cummins/starc in Australia. IF you really say Saha would have contributed in every innings like Pant did in this series and took all the 21 catches then you are making a much bigger assumption than i do
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India was 328/6 in reply to Australia's 451 when Saha came in to bat in the 3rd Test of a series that was tied 1-1 at that point. Conceding a first innings lead to Australia and then batting last was an almost sure loss. So the Pujara-Saha partnership did save India.

Pant came in to bat when the Australian attack was already ground down by Agarwal, Vihari and Pujara and India was on top. Saha came in to bat when India was in dire straits.

The third most influential player is Agarwal. If you don't understand that, you do not understand cricket.

Think about the issues, I don't see any point in continuing this.
 
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ILcricket said:
Incompetent curator i guess . He said before the game that day 1 it will help the pacers , 2 & 3 will be a good batting deck & turn on day 4 & 5 . What we saw was movement off the deck & nice carry for first 75 minutes & after that it flattened out completely .
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Agree with the bold part. Aus didn't need this road here. Even if Aus bats well, you can't do much in roads to force a result.
 
Napa said:
India was 328/6 in reply to Australia's 451 when Saha came in to bat in the 3rd Test of a series that was tied 1-1 at that point. Conceding a first innings lead to Australia and then batting last was an almost sure loss. So the Pujara-Saha partnership did save India.

Pant came in to bat when the Australian attack was already ground down by Agarwal, Vihari and Pujara and India was on top. Saha came in to bat when India was in dire straits.

Think about the issues, I don't see any point in continuing this.
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Good. Yea no point in talking about players who will never play for India ever again. Let us focus on the future. He is the best option we have by some distance as a keeper batsman. With 8,9,10,11 = 10 runs at most Pant's role is immense.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Well then you don't know the history then. He was dropping a lot of catches, so many byes when he started.IT took a while before he became a better keeper.
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Yes just like how dhoni was a rubbish keeper and saha is overrated, do you have anything to back up these alt-facts, because literally anyone who has watched kirmani keep considered him India's best keeper and dhoni did not have question marks over his keeping until the fag end of his career.
 
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jagatk said:
Yes just like how dhoni was a rubbish keeper and saha is overrated, do you have anything to back up these alt-facts, because literally anyone who has watched kirmani keep considered him India's best keeper and dhoni did not have question Mark's over his keeping until the fag end of his career.
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You have to read lot of cricket books, history books.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This saha puranam is frankly annoying. Whoever created the hype for such an average player like saha needs to be appreciated. Somehow it caught on.
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Dude! Have you seen Saha keep? He is without a shadow of doubt the best pure WK out there in international cricket. His footwork, anticipation and hand eye coordination are brilliant for a WK.

That does not mean he should be in the Indian team. He is 34, and even though he does score useful runs, we need a better batsman as a WK, due to our weak middle order. He is not the future, and it is time we invested in the future. Saha was always the interim solution for a few years until we had someone like Samson or any other keeper batsman mature. Samson did not show the performance in the first class arena to take the spot, but luckily for us Pant has. Nonetheless, Saha has been a great servant of Indian cricket and his keeping (and batting) has been crucial in maintaining our home record. But, since we have a brilliant talent now, which we did not have 4 years back, its time to invest in the future.

Pant's keeping is not up to the mark, but he should be persisted with since he has all the potential to become a good WK and a perfect no.6 batsman. Pant needs to increase his WK skills in the next couple of years. We cannot afford dropped catches from WK or slip, if we want to win in the next set of tours abroad.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Saha's saga is over. Pointless we are talking about him. This is his first year. I have seen Pappu patel, dhoni, kkd. This guy has done far better than all of them in his debut year. He has lot of room to improve. He is only 22. He is a quick learner. He will come around. So we have to stop talking about this stop gap keeper saha every chance like he is next best after slice of bread.
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No its not pointless bhai.

I have seen way too many posters constantly crap.ping on Saha needlessly even he was performing.

Even arguing Pappu Patel is better. Lol.

Agreed Pant is the future (his keeping needs work) and I hope he can play the tough knocks Saha has played (Nagpur, Gros Islet, Kolkata) when his team needs him the most.

But there's no need to insult Saha who is one of the best keepers we can even dream of having.
 
India is making a history, this is much bigger than winning WC, test series win in AUS, that too a full series, things don’t get better than that in Cricket!!!

Congratulations India, their greatest achievement in Cricket :bow:
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
No its not pointless bhai.

I have seen way too many posters constantly crap.ping on Saha needlessly even he was performing.

Even arguing Pappu Patel is better. Lol.

Agreed Pant is the future (his keeping needs work) and I hope he can play the tough knocks Saha has played (Nagpur, Gros Islet, Kolkata) when his team needs him the most.

But there's no need to insult Saha who is one of the best keepers we can even dream of having.
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Pant is too good that he could even develop into a specialist batsman. He is not like KKD who wasted his talent. He had severe concentration issues. Pappu is pappu. Who dropped like 23 catches at one point costin 685 runs without scoring big runs. With so many genuinely talented middle order batsmen coming up we just have to focus on the future. Saha is last thing i expect to talk about. We have an opener to replace, couple of dodgy middle orders to replace, find a back up fast bowling resource for the current lot. Pant is the least of our worries. IF anything he is one of the best thing that happened to Indians. Entire Australian commies agreed that he improved every match. Today's catch was probably a tired attempt. HE probably would take it 9 out of 10 times even without gloves. He will get better over the years.
 
Ishant Sharma, who bowled wonderfully in the morning session, suffered a dropped chance off his bowling of Day One of the first Test between India and Sri Lanka at Galle when wicketkeeper Wriddhiman Saha dropped an easy catch after Dinesh Chandimal edged behind.


Wicketkeeper Wriddhiman Saha then dropped Ben Stokes twice on the second day and the left-handed batsman went on to punish India by scoring 128.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Pant is too good that he could even develop into a specialist batsman. He is not like KKD who wasted his talent. He had severe concentration issues. Pappu is pappu. Who dropped like 23 catches at one point costin 685 runs without scoring big runs. With so many genuinely talented middle order batsmen coming up we just have to focus on the future. Saha is last thing i expect to talk about. We have an opener to replace, couple of dodgy middle orders to replace, find a back up fast bowling resource for the current lot. Pant is the least of our worries. IF anything he is one of the best thing that happened to Indians. Entire Australian commies agreed that he improved every match. Today's catch was probably a tired attempt. HE probably would take it 9 out of 10 times even without gloves. He will get better over the years.
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I dont hav issues with Pant.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Ishant Sharma, who bowled wonderfully in the morning session, suffered a dropped chance off his bowling of Day One of the first Test between India and Sri Lanka at Galle when wicketkeeper Wriddhiman Saha dropped an easy catch after Dinesh Chandimal edged behind.


Wicketkeeper Wriddhiman Saha then dropped Ben Stokes twice on the second day and the left-handed batsman went on to punish India by scoring 128.
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Posters with goldfish memories read above.

And pant was running around and smashing aussies for hours before coming out to keep.
 
JattMaula said:
Posters with goldfish memories read above.

And pant was running around and smashing aussies for hours before coming out to keep.
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Problem isn't that pant dropped a catch it is that he has dropped nearly every difficult or even just not very easy chance he has gotten this series. Also no one has called saha a better batsman than pant.
 
jagatk said:
Problem isn't that pant dropped a catch it is that he has dropped nearly every difficult or even just not very easy chance he has gotten this series. Also no one has called saha a better batsman than pant.
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Thats a cause for concern.

Hope he improves.
 
jagatk said:
Problem isn't that pant dropped a catch it is that he has dropped nearly every difficult or even just not very easy chance he has gotten this series. Also no one has called saha a better batsman than pant.
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Someone should do analysis on dropped chances by Pant and previous keepers for us.
 
Saha is officially 34, the age at which Dhoni retired from test cricket.

He is an athletic keeper, mediocre batsman but his story is over as age is not on his side.
 
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Congrats to Indians for winning the series 3-1. This series shows why batting leaders are so important to any side. Aussies without their best batsmen of this generation are running around like headless chickens. I feel even their bowlers have given up knowing fully well that their efforts won’t bear any fruit with their stupid batting line up.
 
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